though i am a marxist i respect imam khoemini who overthrew the autocrat shah and led a successful islamic revolution against the imeprialist usa , he is a great leader who has a great role in the ISLAMIC REVOLUTION
When thee Shah was running the show the economy, military and political influence of that great land Persia was doing better and probably at her height in nearly 500 years. But unfornately an exiled Iman in France had to screw it over for everybody
Killed so many innoncent people but called himself a muslim. Only people of Lebanon and some crazy shiia loves him. Yes Khomeini, as long as he gave money and support to Lebanon they were giving a damn about prisoners and killings in Iran.
There main aim was to guide their followers toward the ultimate goal of unity, and of clinging to one rope, as the well-known Qur'anic verse, "Hold fast to the Rope of Allah and do not diverge" clearly demands of Muslims. Their Noble thought eventually paid off.Now all the five Schools of thoughts peacefully co-exists in this wonderful University. This discussion is documented and those interested can read it."Al-Muraja'at - A Shi'i Sunni Dialogue" .JazakAllah khair to all those involved.
Ramazaan Mubarak to All my Muslim Brothers and Sisters.Well a very Important Message from Ulamas of Islam(Ahle Shia and Ahle Sunnah) on "Islamic Unity". It should be of ur interest to know that a few decades ago, a group of Sunni and Shi'a scholars formed a center at al-Azhar University of Egypt by the name of "Dar al-Taqreeb al-Madhahib al-Islamiyyah" which translates into "Center for bringing together the various Islamic schools of thought".
Ok then I feel bad for those who left the Prophet(S) on his death and left only 6 people to bury him while they went to Saqifa of Bani Sa'id to "choose" a leader? Cause the divided themselves into another sect than what Allah(Swt) and His Prophet(S) has ordained...
In the Nahjul Balagha, one of the most revered books of the Shia, Ali (رضّى الله عنه) said in Sermon 126:
"With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course....
That is true and those who hate him (Nasibi) are currently the "guardian" of the Holy Shrines in Occupied Hijaz. And those who worship him are called Aliyallahi and are regarded as outside of Islam in the view of Shia Clerics. But why don't you answer me, why did the second caliph say that the Prophet(S) where talking out of his mind on his death bed wen he wanted a paper and a pen? Who questioned his Prophethood on Hudaibiyah? Answer this please!
Did they say they hates Ali(RA)? Arn't Shia's in general ones who love ali too much? wouldnt that be playing with words if you just regard those who are aliyahallahi, doesnt Shiatul Ali (the full name) mean Sect of Ali, or followers of Ali? as well as those who call on Ali for help when they say Ya Ali - O Ali??? (im not trying to trap you or anything im just trying to point out something.. It clearly sounds like Shirk!)
As for the part of the paper, please give me the reference of that.
They are promiting people like Yazid who where an enemy of Ali ibn Abi Talib(A)- how can you promote enemy of one you love? Logical it says no. Shia=Followers and not sect. We only follow what Rasul'Allah(S) when he equated Ahlul Bayt(A) with the Holy Book. The Quran without Ahlul Bayt(A) doesnt work. Intercession is not Haram in Islam. Please refer to Quran. Regarding paper, please read Sahih al-Bukhari vol. 4 p. 4
Well first of all Shia in arabic literally means sect. so yes it is Sect of Ali - Shiatul' Ali. And if you want to bring up Ahlul Bayt then why do shias exclude half the members of the Prophets family?? Further more if you break down the meaning of Ahlul Bayt then its means family, household, relatives, kinsmen, tribesmen of the Prophet (SAW). So that would include the Prophets wifes and first 4 Caliphs. 3rd no where in the Quran does it mention anything about following the 12 Imams.
yeah but if I am not wrong it even means followers. Cause Allah talks in the Quran about the shia of Ibrahim, do you mean that by that it is refering to the sect of Ibrahim? And Ahlul Bayt does not mean all those you counted up, please refer to the Sahih collection - it only refers to the family of the Prophet(S). Ahlul Bayt(A) are mentioned not by name, but by action several times on the Holy Quran.
That is not accurate, in the Quran read surah 33 verse 33 which is a verse shia's always use to bring up Ahlul Bayt, but they dont read it in context. Read the verse before it is strictly talking to the Prophet's Wifes and refering to them as Ahlul Bayt. Next define Ahlul Bayt - it means household, relatives, kinsmen, and tribesmen as well. And im not saying Shia is wrong, Im saying creating new Sects - Shia is wrong which the Quran clearly says Surah 6 verse 159. Shiatul'ali is such a sect
Ok, let say that your assumption that our tafsir is wrong comes to be true, but aren't Prophet(S) the living Quran? Have you read what he says about that ayah in your Sahih books? And if you read correctly the verse it changes from feminime to masculine when it talks about Ahlul Bayt. Is Arabic your mother language? Regarding the verse you refer to, it could be used for your school of thought as well. You differ more between your 4 schools than we do between us. Have you noticed that?
Yes the Prophet(Saw) was a living Quran. It can be true that some places are feminime to masculine but that still doesnt exclude women as his household, if that was the case then you are excluding Fatima(ra) as well. Regarding the verse it is stated planly in Verse 32 saying 'O wives of the prophet' and it continues to the next verse, so school of thought isnt required in this case because the verse is very clear. yes schools can differ but the Quran is clear that Wives are Ahlul'bayt.
Are you making your own tafsir? Otherwise, please refer to the tafsir you have read. Cause according to the big Sunni commentator al-Sayuti this verse is clearly refering to other than his wifes. And that is something usual in Quran, different issues could be in one single verse. The numbers for the verses does not mean that everything in that verse are about same issue.
2. Furthermore Some Aytollahs define Alul'bayt as Ali, Fatima, Hasan, and Hosain(RA), my question is this.. is that the prophets(SAW) household or Ali's household? How do you define it? And What about the other Imams, some were many many years after the Prophet(SAW) and some in differnt areas as well, do you count them?
Of course, cause they are from the same line as the Prophet(S). It is exactly as your grandchildrens children which will be of your offspring. And for this matter, the Prophet(S) has stated that there will be 12 Imams of his offspring. It is also available in your sahihs books.
Well look at the verses since you think it is too different ideas, if you are still unclear that it is talking about the prophets wives then I will write out the verses for you here. 2nd just because someone says they are a sunni commentator dont mean they are. 3rd i can show you many sahih hadiths that talk about the prophets wives as Ahlul'bayt. 4th since you keep changing Ahlul'bayt then please define Ahlul'bayt for me.
Ok brother, please go ahead and write the verse so we can examine it. And please write up the hadith about the Prophet(S) wifes also. I have not changed the meaning of Ahlul bayt, from the beginning I told you it is the family of the Prophet(S) which also include his offspring until we reach 12 leaders after him as he state in a Sahih hadith. I will be waiting.
"O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in your speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance;
Let us begin from the beginning then: "And stay quietly in your houses," - wasn't this rule violated by Aisha when she went to Iraq to fight Ali in the battle of the camel? In the sermon of the last Hajj (Ghadir Khum) the Prophet(S) invoked Allah to be a friend of everyone loved Ali and be an enemey of everyone opposed Ali - didn't Aisha do this when she instigated the war that cost many muslims there lifes and went against this decree of Allah to stay in her house?
Ok, let us continue - Bukhari has recorded in the chapter "What happened in the houses of the Prophet's wives" in the book "Jihad and Travel" of his Sahih, vol. 2, p. 125, that while delivering an address from the pulpit, the Holy Prophet pointed towards A-isha's house and said: "Here lies the scandal; here lies the scandal; here lies the scandal, where the horn of Shaytan would be rising" There is one like this in Sahih Muslim to, I can refer to if there is need.
What I have recorded show only that such a person could not be refered to when Allah is talking about keeping away (not remove as the translation you have is wrong) uncleanness and purify them. Isn't this contradictory? We have to make use of Aql and Mantaq - reason and logic and not only blindly believe everything we are told. By logic if what you say is true, then this verse is contradictory and Naudhobillah that the holy Quran is so! Far above from that!
..and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, you Ahlel Bayt (People of the House), and to make you pure and spotless." (Quran, 33:32-33)
the Quran only mentions Ahlul'bayt twice and both times it refers to Wifes; other time is wife of Ibrahim(saw); but that doesnt mean its only them ofcourse but it definitly includes them.
A-isha said: "Ayah al Tat-hir refers only to the Holy Prophet, Ali, Fatimah, Hasan and Husayn. No wife of his is included." [Yanabi al Mawaddat, page 87, Shaykh al Islam] Aisha says there is no wifes. There is more if need arise. As the case is with the wife of Ibrahim(A) it is because she is the moster of Prophet Ishaq and not as the wife of Ibrahim(A) as some Prophets(A) wifes were bad, how can they be Ahlul Bayt? I think this should suffices for this time. Let me know what you think. Wassalam
Well first you cant take away from the verse because it clearly does say it. even if you disagree, and the reason you disagree is because Shia leaders always talk poorly about Aisha and so naturally you will dislike her and look for ways to say she is corrupt. But if you read the verse alone then it is clearly for the Wivies of the Prophet not only her but also including her. No where in the Quran does it mention Ali or the 12 Imams even though they were pious men.
Ws! The Holy Quran is not an story book that continues from point one, to the end of the book. Sometimes, the answer for one verse or explanation is not on the same page. For this verse, the whole verse was not revelead at the same time. Why don't you comment on the hadith from your Sahih book about Aisha that I quoted? Is it we that say so or the Prophet(S) from your own books? Refer to this verse in the Quran about Ali talking abotu obeyeing Allah, the Prophet and Ulil Amr, you know it?
If you read the verse incontext and not look for outside sourses to dispute it then you will realize where conflicts started. Shia's not only Slander Aisha(ra) but also Hafsa(ra) because they were related to the other Caliphs.
"The Prophet is closer to the believers than their ownselves, and his wives are their mothers." (Quran, 33:6)
There are of course other verse which puts the Wives in high reguard, which i will quote if you like
You can't only follow the Holy Quran and interpret as you wish, you must follow ahadith. Do we agree on this part or not dear brother? We don't slander, we retell what history tells us. There were good wifes and there were bad wifes, or do you say that all of them were good? You can refer to the verses if you want, nothing is more beatiful than reading the Holy Quran. May Allah reward you for making me reading all this.
I do ask you to please not take things out of context and to have an open-mind about them. And not to prejudge an arguement other wise we will just be going back and forth for no reason. On a side note I ask you to research Abdullah bin Saba and the Saba'ites, they are the orginators of such ideas not the Imams. Ideas like, they all hated Ali(ra) and such. I can show you that Ali(ra) nor his ofspring hated Aisha(ra) or the other Caliphs which is the foundation of Shia's beliefs.
I must confess that I dont hate anyone except the enemies of Allah, his Prophet and the successors of the prophet. And I am not judging anyone, Naudhobillah, that is something only Allah does. I dont hate Aisha, but she wronged and that is fact. And I dont know much about Abdullah bin Saba, but I will read Insha'Allah and enlighten myself. Right now I am busy in reading the Sahih books, very interesting reading. I pray for you, May Allah reward you for good Akhlaq. With prayers for your success,
Thank you very much, I hope Allah inlightens both of us. when i said Shia's hate Aisha(ra) i didnt mean you directly, but you must agree most Shiatul'Alis do make it a habbit of insulting her and degrading her; they do it so they have the excuse of excluding all the the hadiths that are narrated through her, which is alot of them. when you say she wronged i think you mean about the battle of the camel?
Ws. Thanks, I wish that too. There are Shia who abuse her and curse (sab in arabic) and that is not allowed and haram according to Shariah. Don't look at what Shia does, look at Shia jurisprudence instead. But I refered you to a hadith from the Prophet(S) when he refered to her house as the house of scandal, have you read it? Yes, what do you say about people revolting against the caliph of their time? Is it permissible?
Please write out the Hadith # so i can look at it myself brother. I would like to add im glad you are open-minded into doing research on your own, but please look at multiple sources and from both sides. Most people just follow what was told to them and dont question anything. They hear ahlul'bayt and think they only love them, but the truth is Main stream Muslims(sunni) love Ahlul'bayt as well, but we include all the members of the Prophets(saw) family.
Please forgive me, I forgot which hadith you are refering to. Thanks, but that is something everyone must do and not just accept what is told to us, which is something that are doomed to fail and not acceptable in the sight of Allah. Yes of course, we have differences on who are Ahlul Bayt and that is what our discussion is about. Do you read Shia books too? I think you had another post cause I can't find it, if so please repost adn I will address it Insha'Allah. Salam for now.
I was asking about the Hadith you mentioned about The Prophet(saw) pointing to his house.
Well we love all the members of Ahlul'bayt- the Prophets' relatives, wives, children; grandchildren etc, they were all Pious people. The main disagreement is the first 3 caliphs(ra) and Aisha(ra) who were also loved by the Prophets extended family. Alot of shia scholors say they hated each other which is a total fabrication orginated by Saba'ites(people of Abdullah bin Saba) the orginal Shias.
Bukhari has recorded in the chapter "What happened in the houses of the Prophet's wives" in the book "Jihad and Travel" of his Sahih, vol. 2, p. 125, that while delivering an address from the pulpit, the Holy Prophet pointed towards A-isha's house and said: "Here lies the scandal; here lies the scandal; here lies the scandal, where the horn of Shaytan would be rising" What is your proof that everyone are included in Ahlul Bayt?
Sorry Brother i dont have the book itself, if you can give me the exact hadith #, it will be helpful.
2nd I would like to ask does being Ahlul'bayt alone make you pious? Even though I have already pointed out the meaning of Ahlulbayt would include them aswell, and the Quran refering to wives as Ahlul'bayt. Furthermore I would like to ask is the difference in Ahlul'bayt or is it other things? did the other Imams love the first 3 caliphs and Aisha(ra) or did they hate them??
I dont either have the book. Maybe you can check with your local sunni mosque if they have the book? The Ahlul Bayt are not only pious, they are infallible. No, you have not done that, if arabic is your mother tongue, then you will understand that the verse does not refer to the wifes. I can explain why if you are interested. Actually I don't know about your last question, but even if you love someone, it doesn't mean you accept everything from them.
I can look it up on the internet if you can give me the exact Hadith #. I know Shias belive they were infallible, and my first question is do you know the meaning of that word? because most Shias dont really know, and the truth of the matter is they dont care to find out either. If they knew the true meaning they would see the Shirk they were doing.
2nd - Didnt the verse in the Quran talk about the wifes? only two times in the Quran Ahululbayt is mentioned by name and its about Wivies.
I dont have it, but if you have that section online search for it and you will find it. Yeah I know, but please don't refrain to explain, maybe you will be enlighten me with something I have missed. Could you please answer my question for one time? Is arabic your mother tongue? Let someone who understand arabic read it for you. And how could it talk about the wives "kept away impurity" and in other verses warn them of hars punishment if they do wrong?
Them being kept away from impurities and them being punished if they do wrong makes perfect sense. You may be looking at the verse as saying Infallible, which it is not. Its saying they are good but not perfect and they will still be accountable if they do wrong like every one. Even the prophets themselves are accountable.
Look into Abdullah bin Saba, and the orgins of the Sabi'tes his group. And look for both sides to the story.
allow me to interfer brother, i am shia ,and i am living in kuwait-which it is a sunni country- ,and i studied for twelve years in the goverment schools,i didn`t found any mention for imam ali nor fatima al zahra nor imam hasan or husin,
iknow that sunnis iove them,but not as much as omar or abubakr or aisha or moawia,and by loving mowaia more than ali it means that you not truly love imam ali nor ahlalbayt,
more than that,the islamic history is completly hidded from people here.
there is no existence for a man called abdulah bin saaba ,and if you can read in arabic i can show you a book of a sunnis religon scholars who prooved that there is no one with that name!!!!!
also,by logic,if we-shia- don`t mention this name in any book of ours, who can you say that he is the one who-created-the shia religon as what you are saying???
Just because one person wrote that he didnt exist doesnt make it so! Shia's always want to put Aisha(ra) down so they make divition between Her and Ali(ra). Yes they might've had disagreements but to say they hated each other is a total fabrication! If you read the Quran properly you can see That Aisha(ra) is Ahylul'bayt and many other places refer to her as Mother of the Believers. You can belive it or not, but The Quran clearly talks about Shia (sects) in Islam, so you decide for yourself.
Why do you concentrate just on Aisha and never think of all other wifes of the Prophet(S)? Is it because she is Abu Bakrs daughter? The Prophet(S) never married anyone else while Khadijah(A) was alive, but during Aishas time, he had several wifes, Quran even warns the wifes of prophet(S) against errs. And the verse about sect is about those who disregarded the event of Ghadeer and Hadith al-Thaqalayn and divided the Ummah into sects.
Umm Salama said: "O Prophet of Allah! Am I not one of the members of your family?" The Holy Prophet replied: "You have a good future but only these are the members of my family. O Lord! The members of my family are more deserving."
Again, vers 33:33 are talking about the wifes in beginning but later on it is changing gender from feminime to masculin. And in arabic language, if you have a group of woman, you address them in feminime gender but if there is only one man among them, it is masculin. Read the verse in arabic and you will find out it is changing gender so it could not possibly be about the wifes of the Prophet(S).
Verse 33:33 also includes wives even though it is in masculine gender because when you refer to ahlul bayt(including both men and women) it can only be used in the masculine.
there was a battle between imam ali and aisha,so many muslims where killed,and therefore,there is must be a wrong side and right side ,which one do you think is the right side???
by the way do you know that when imam hassan were killed by poison,aisha didn`t let imam husin to bury his brother near the grave of the prophet mohammed -sawa-??
and do you know that when imam ali were killed,aisha were happy for that,and she did a -sojod- for allah for this!!!!!!!
Mashallaah, I can remember clearly that that, I was 6. Me and my parents were viting Teheran and then, Imam Khomeini(RA) passed away. We then went to the farewell ceremony. I don't think I'll ever live to see anything like it ever again.
I don't think any normal man can ever make such a diffrence in the world like Imam Khomeini(RA). Rahmat Allah 3alaay
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im happy that lebanese ppl like this man and feel that he bettered them in some way for me and many that i know he was a nightmare he destoryed our country and put our loved ones to death
happiness4...you are so wrong!! you need to understand islam in general and shia in particular before you comment, sorry if this statement seems a bit too harsh.
revolusi islam iran telah sadarkan banyak pemuda di indonesia terimakasih imam khomeini from indonesia
yabugise 2 weeks ago
though i am a marxist i respect imam khoemini who overthrew the autocrat shah and led a successful islamic revolution against the imeprialist usa , he is a great leader who has a great role in the ISLAMIC REVOLUTION
meheramerch 5 months ago
When thee Shah was running the show the economy, military and political influence of that great land Persia was doing better and probably at her height in nearly 500 years. But unfornately an exiled Iman in France had to screw it over for everybody
TheBestTroller 9 months ago
You shiia always kill and murder sunnis. We don´t want to have anything to do with you, torturers
Coptic78 1 year ago
@Coptic78
we know your a coptic christian trying to divide Muslims.
BrownSugar2050 6 months ago
Killed so many innoncent people but called himself a muslim. Only people of Lebanon and some crazy shiia loves him. Yes Khomeini, as long as he gave money and support to Lebanon they were giving a damn about prisoners and killings in Iran.
Coptic78 1 year ago
Khomeini is in hell dreaming of getting butt-fucked by a dog on the beaches of the Arabian Gulf.
KrisFritz 1 year ago
MARG bar shoma haromzadegane tarikh
Mangekyou78 1 year ago
Death to Khomeini Dictators
IceSurfbumb 2 years ago
انقلاب يک شهيد داشت ،که اسلام بود. -علّامه طباطبايی
XXXamiraliXXX 2 years ago
great video thnx
Gerashi20 2 years ago
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Gerashi20 2 years ago
Asalam Alaikum,
To my brothers Belonging to both (Ahle Shia and Ahle Sunnat) Please read about each others before u start commenting.I dare u people to read
"
Al-Muraja'at - A Shi'i Sunni Dialogue
"
And then u will know wat brother bilal is Telling. Truth or lies????(upto to u to decide). With prayers for ur Success!!!
maaias 3 years ago 2
khodafez ya imam khomeini
passpoort 3 years ago
There main aim was to guide their followers toward the ultimate goal of unity, and of clinging to one rope, as the well-known Qur'anic verse, "Hold fast to the Rope of Allah and do not diverge" clearly demands of Muslims. Their Noble thought eventually paid off.Now all the five Schools of thoughts peacefully co-exists in this wonderful University. This discussion is documented and those interested can read it."Al-Muraja'at - A Shi'i Sunni Dialogue" .JazakAllah khair to all those involved.
KH
maaias 3 years ago
Asalam Alaikum,
Ramazaan Mubarak to All my Muslim Brothers and Sisters.Well a very Important Message from Ulamas of Islam(Ahle Shia and Ahle Sunnah) on "Islamic Unity". It should be of ur interest to know that a few decades ago, a group of Sunni and Shi'a scholars formed a center at al-Azhar University of Egypt by the name of "Dar al-Taqreeb al-Madhahib al-Islamiyyah" which translates into "Center for bringing together the various Islamic schools of thought".
maaias 3 years ago
The song isnt Lebanese!! It's recited by Bahrainin reciter Sayed Hani Alwedae
Salamz
sayed3li 3 years ago
peace be upon ur soul O my leader khomaini
maryami69 3 years ago
شكرا !
thank you !
shazda5anom 3 years ago
thanks for great song....omar iraqi
0002Omar 3 years ago 4
:S okay....
AnyaMuslimah 3 years ago
"As for those who divide
Their religion and break up
Into sects, thou hast
No part in them in the least:
Their affair is with Allah:
He will in the end
Tell them the truth
Of all that they did."
-The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 6, Verse 159
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Ok then I feel bad for those who left the Prophet(S) on his death and left only 6 people to bury him while they went to Saqifa of Bani Sa'id to "choose" a leader? Cause the divided themselves into another sect than what Allah(Swt) and His Prophet(S) has ordained...
Mubahala 3 years ago
In the Nahjul Balagha, one of the most revered books of the Shia, Ali (رضّى الله عنه) said in Sermon 126:
"With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course....
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
That is true and those who hate him (Nasibi) are currently the "guardian" of the Holy Shrines in Occupied Hijaz. And those who worship him are called Aliyallahi and are regarded as outside of Islam in the view of Shia Clerics. But why don't you answer me, why did the second caliph say that the Prophet(S) where talking out of his mind on his death bed wen he wanted a paper and a pen? Who questioned his Prophethood on Hudaibiyah? Answer this please!
Mubahala 3 years ago
Did they say they hates Ali(RA)? Arn't Shia's in general ones who love ali too much? wouldnt that be playing with words if you just regard those who are aliyahallahi, doesnt Shiatul Ali (the full name) mean Sect of Ali, or followers of Ali? as well as those who call on Ali for help when they say Ya Ali - O Ali??? (im not trying to trap you or anything im just trying to point out something.. It clearly sounds like Shirk!)
As for the part of the paper, please give me the reference of that.
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
They are promiting people like Yazid who where an enemy of Ali ibn Abi Talib(A)- how can you promote enemy of one you love? Logical it says no. Shia=Followers and not sect. We only follow what Rasul'Allah(S) when he equated Ahlul Bayt(A) with the Holy Book. The Quran without Ahlul Bayt(A) doesnt work. Intercession is not Haram in Islam. Please refer to Quran. Regarding paper, please read Sahih al-Bukhari vol. 4 p. 4
Mubahala 3 years ago
Well first of all Shia in arabic literally means sect. so yes it is Sect of Ali - Shiatul' Ali. And if you want to bring up Ahlul Bayt then why do shias exclude half the members of the Prophets family?? Further more if you break down the meaning of Ahlul Bayt then its means family, household, relatives, kinsmen, tribesmen of the Prophet (SAW). So that would include the Prophets wifes and first 4 Caliphs. 3rd no where in the Quran does it mention anything about following the 12 Imams.
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
yeah but if I am not wrong it even means followers. Cause Allah talks in the Quran about the shia of Ibrahim, do you mean that by that it is refering to the sect of Ibrahim? And Ahlul Bayt does not mean all those you counted up, please refer to the Sahih collection - it only refers to the family of the Prophet(S). Ahlul Bayt(A) are mentioned not by name, but by action several times on the Holy Quran.
Mubahala 3 years ago
That is not accurate, in the Quran read surah 33 verse 33 which is a verse shia's always use to bring up Ahlul Bayt, but they dont read it in context. Read the verse before it is strictly talking to the Prophet's Wifes and refering to them as Ahlul Bayt. Next define Ahlul Bayt - it means household, relatives, kinsmen, and tribesmen as well. And im not saying Shia is wrong, Im saying creating new Sects - Shia is wrong which the Quran clearly says Surah 6 verse 159. Shiatul'ali is such a sect
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Ok, let say that your assumption that our tafsir is wrong comes to be true, but aren't Prophet(S) the living Quran? Have you read what he says about that ayah in your Sahih books? And if you read correctly the verse it changes from feminime to masculine when it talks about Ahlul Bayt. Is Arabic your mother language? Regarding the verse you refer to, it could be used for your school of thought as well. You differ more between your 4 schools than we do between us. Have you noticed that?
Mubahala 3 years ago
Yes the Prophet(Saw) was a living Quran. It can be true that some places are feminime to masculine but that still doesnt exclude women as his household, if that was the case then you are excluding Fatima(ra) as well. Regarding the verse it is stated planly in Verse 32 saying 'O wives of the prophet' and it continues to the next verse, so school of thought isnt required in this case because the verse is very clear. yes schools can differ but the Quran is clear that Wives are Ahlul'bayt.
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Are you making your own tafsir? Otherwise, please refer to the tafsir you have read. Cause according to the big Sunni commentator al-Sayuti this verse is clearly refering to other than his wifes. And that is something usual in Quran, different issues could be in one single verse. The numbers for the verses does not mean that everything in that verse are about same issue.
Mubahala 3 years ago
2. Furthermore Some Aytollahs define Alul'bayt as Ali, Fatima, Hasan, and Hosain(RA), my question is this.. is that the prophets(SAW) household or Ali's household? How do you define it? And What about the other Imams, some were many many years after the Prophet(SAW) and some in differnt areas as well, do you count them?
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Of course, cause they are from the same line as the Prophet(S). It is exactly as your grandchildrens children which will be of your offspring. And for this matter, the Prophet(S) has stated that there will be 12 Imams of his offspring. It is also available in your sahihs books.
Mubahala 3 years ago
Well look at the verses since you think it is too different ideas, if you are still unclear that it is talking about the prophets wives then I will write out the verses for you here. 2nd just because someone says they are a sunni commentator dont mean they are. 3rd i can show you many sahih hadiths that talk about the prophets wives as Ahlul'bayt. 4th since you keep changing Ahlul'bayt then please define Ahlul'bayt for me.
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Ok brother, please go ahead and write the verse so we can examine it. And please write up the hadith about the Prophet(S) wifes also. I have not changed the meaning of Ahlul bayt, from the beginning I told you it is the family of the Prophet(S) which also include his offspring until we reach 12 leaders after him as he state in a Sahih hadith. I will be waiting.
Mubahala 3 years ago
1.
(Quran, 33:32-33)
"O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in your speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance;
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unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Let us begin from the beginning then: "And stay quietly in your houses," - wasn't this rule violated by Aisha when she went to Iraq to fight Ali in the battle of the camel? In the sermon of the last Hajj (Ghadir Khum) the Prophet(S) invoked Allah to be a friend of everyone loved Ali and be an enemey of everyone opposed Ali - didn't Aisha do this when she instigated the war that cost many muslims there lifes and went against this decree of Allah to stay in her house?
Mubahala 3 years ago
Ok, let us continue - Bukhari has recorded in the chapter "What happened in the houses of the Prophet's wives" in the book "Jihad and Travel" of his Sahih, vol. 2, p. 125, that while delivering an address from the pulpit, the Holy Prophet pointed towards A-isha's house and said: "Here lies the scandal; here lies the scandal; here lies the scandal, where the horn of Shaytan would be rising" There is one like this in Sahih Muslim to, I can refer to if there is need.
Mubahala 3 years ago
What I have recorded show only that such a person could not be refered to when Allah is talking about keeping away (not remove as the translation you have is wrong) uncleanness and purify them. Isn't this contradictory? We have to make use of Aql and Mantaq - reason and logic and not only blindly believe everything we are told. By logic if what you say is true, then this verse is contradictory and Naudhobillah that the holy Quran is so! Far above from that!
Mubahala 3 years ago
2. continued...
..and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, you Ahlel Bayt (People of the House), and to make you pure and spotless." (Quran, 33:32-33)
the Quran only mentions Ahlul'bayt twice and both times it refers to Wifes; other time is wife of Ibrahim(saw); but that doesnt mean its only them ofcourse but it definitly includes them.
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unknownavenger08 3 years ago
A-isha said: "Ayah al Tat-hir refers only to the Holy Prophet, Ali, Fatimah, Hasan and Husayn. No wife of his is included." [Yanabi al Mawaddat, page 87, Shaykh al Islam] Aisha says there is no wifes. There is more if need arise. As the case is with the wife of Ibrahim(A) it is because she is the moster of Prophet Ishaq and not as the wife of Ibrahim(A) as some Prophets(A) wifes were bad, how can they be Ahlul Bayt? I think this should suffices for this time. Let me know what you think. Wassalam
Mubahala 3 years ago
3.
one of the hadiths i remember are
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 316. Family as in only off springs? or any relatives?
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Could you please write the hadith down for the case of discussion? I will answer after that. Awaiting your answer.
I pray you are in best health and iman until next time my brother in faith.
Ws
Mubahala 3 years ago
Salaam
thank you, you too.
Well first you cant take away from the verse because it clearly does say it. even if you disagree, and the reason you disagree is because Shia leaders always talk poorly about Aisha and so naturally you will dislike her and look for ways to say she is corrupt. But if you read the verse alone then it is clearly for the Wivies of the Prophet not only her but also including her. No where in the Quran does it mention Ali or the 12 Imams even though they were pious men.
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Ws! The Holy Quran is not an story book that continues from point one, to the end of the book. Sometimes, the answer for one verse or explanation is not on the same page. For this verse, the whole verse was not revelead at the same time. Why don't you comment on the hadith from your Sahih book about Aisha that I quoted? Is it we that say so or the Prophet(S) from your own books? Refer to this verse in the Quran about Ali talking abotu obeyeing Allah, the Prophet and Ulil Amr, you know it?
Mubahala 3 years ago
2nd
If you read the verse incontext and not look for outside sourses to dispute it then you will realize where conflicts started. Shia's not only Slander Aisha(ra) but also Hafsa(ra) because they were related to the other Caliphs.
"The Prophet is closer to the believers than their ownselves, and his wives are their mothers." (Quran, 33:6)
There are of course other verse which puts the Wives in high reguard, which i will quote if you like
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unknownavenger08 3 years ago
You can't only follow the Holy Quran and interpret as you wish, you must follow ahadith. Do we agree on this part or not dear brother? We don't slander, we retell what history tells us. There were good wifes and there were bad wifes, or do you say that all of them were good? You can refer to the verses if you want, nothing is more beatiful than reading the Holy Quran. May Allah reward you for making me reading all this.
Mubahala 3 years ago
but don`t forget this aya too,وما محمد إلا رسول قد خلت من قبله الرسل أفإن مات أو قتل انقلبتم على أعقابكم
al omran 144
also,
قال الله تعالى : ( إنما وليكم الله ورسوله والذين آمنوا * الذين يقيمون الصلاة ويؤتون الزكاة وهم راكعون
maida 55
do you know the tafser of this aya??
mowali4ali 3 years ago 3
3rd.
I do ask you to please not take things out of context and to have an open-mind about them. And not to prejudge an arguement other wise we will just be going back and forth for no reason. On a side note I ask you to research Abdullah bin Saba and the Saba'ites, they are the orginators of such ideas not the Imams. Ideas like, they all hated Ali(ra) and such. I can show you that Ali(ra) nor his ofspring hated Aisha(ra) or the other Caliphs which is the foundation of Shia's beliefs.
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
I must confess that I dont hate anyone except the enemies of Allah, his Prophet and the successors of the prophet. And I am not judging anyone, Naudhobillah, that is something only Allah does. I dont hate Aisha, but she wronged and that is fact. And I dont know much about Abdullah bin Saba, but I will read Insha'Allah and enlighten myself. Right now I am busy in reading the Sahih books, very interesting reading. I pray for you, May Allah reward you for good Akhlaq. With prayers for your success,
Mubahala 3 years ago
Salaam Brother
Thank you very much, I hope Allah inlightens both of us. when i said Shia's hate Aisha(ra) i didnt mean you directly, but you must agree most Shiatul'Alis do make it a habbit of insulting her and degrading her; they do it so they have the excuse of excluding all the the hadiths that are narrated through her, which is alot of them. when you say she wronged i think you mean about the battle of the camel?
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unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Ws. Thanks, I wish that too. There are Shia who abuse her and curse (sab in arabic) and that is not allowed and haram according to Shariah. Don't look at what Shia does, look at Shia jurisprudence instead. But I refered you to a hadith from the Prophet(S) when he refered to her house as the house of scandal, have you read it? Yes, what do you say about people revolting against the caliph of their time? Is it permissible?
Mubahala 3 years ago
brother,you must know that we don`t hate any one without a cause
mowali4ali 3 years ago 2
3rd
Please write out the Hadith # so i can look at it myself brother. I would like to add im glad you are open-minded into doing research on your own, but please look at multiple sources and from both sides. Most people just follow what was told to them and dont question anything. They hear ahlul'bayt and think they only love them, but the truth is Main stream Muslims(sunni) love Ahlul'bayt as well, but we include all the members of the Prophets(saw) family.
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Please forgive me, I forgot which hadith you are refering to. Thanks, but that is something everyone must do and not just accept what is told to us, which is something that are doomed to fail and not acceptable in the sight of Allah. Yes of course, we have differences on who are Ahlul Bayt and that is what our discussion is about. Do you read Shia books too? I think you had another post cause I can't find it, if so please repost adn I will address it Insha'Allah. Salam for now.
Mubahala 3 years ago
Salaam
I was asking about the Hadith you mentioned about The Prophet(saw) pointing to his house.
Well we love all the members of Ahlul'bayt- the Prophets' relatives, wives, children; grandchildren etc, they were all Pious people. The main disagreement is the first 3 caliphs(ra) and Aisha(ra) who were also loved by the Prophets extended family. Alot of shia scholors say they hated each other which is a total fabrication orginated by Saba'ites(people of Abdullah bin Saba) the orginal Shias.
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Bukhari has recorded in the chapter "What happened in the houses of the Prophet's wives" in the book "Jihad and Travel" of his Sahih, vol. 2, p. 125, that while delivering an address from the pulpit, the Holy Prophet pointed towards A-isha's house and said: "Here lies the scandal; here lies the scandal; here lies the scandal, where the horn of Shaytan would be rising" What is your proof that everyone are included in Ahlul Bayt?
Mubahala 3 years ago
Sorry I forget to answer your salam. Waleykum assalam my beloved brother. I hope everything is good with you =)
Mubahala 3 years ago
Salaam
Sorry Brother i dont have the book itself, if you can give me the exact hadith #, it will be helpful.
2nd I would like to ask does being Ahlul'bayt alone make you pious? Even though I have already pointed out the meaning of Ahlulbayt would include them aswell, and the Quran refering to wives as Ahlul'bayt. Furthermore I would like to ask is the difference in Ahlul'bayt or is it other things? did the other Imams love the first 3 caliphs and Aisha(ra) or did they hate them??
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Waleyka assalam!
I dont either have the book. Maybe you can check with your local sunni mosque if they have the book? The Ahlul Bayt are not only pious, they are infallible. No, you have not done that, if arabic is your mother tongue, then you will understand that the verse does not refer to the wifes. I can explain why if you are interested. Actually I don't know about your last question, but even if you love someone, it doesn't mean you accept everything from them.
Mubahala 3 years ago
Salaam
I can look it up on the internet if you can give me the exact Hadith #. I know Shias belive they were infallible, and my first question is do you know the meaning of that word? because most Shias dont really know, and the truth of the matter is they dont care to find out either. If they knew the true meaning they would see the Shirk they were doing.
2nd - Didnt the verse in the Quran talk about the wifes? only two times in the Quran Ahululbayt is mentioned by name and its about Wivies.
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Salam.
I dont have it, but if you have that section online search for it and you will find it. Yeah I know, but please don't refrain to explain, maybe you will be enlighten me with something I have missed. Could you please answer my question for one time? Is arabic your mother tongue? Let someone who understand arabic read it for you. And how could it talk about the wives "kept away impurity" and in other verses warn them of hars punishment if they do wrong?
Mubahala 3 years ago
Salaam
No Arabic is not my mother language.
Them being kept away from impurities and them being punished if they do wrong makes perfect sense. You may be looking at the verse as saying Infallible, which it is not. Its saying they are good but not perfect and they will still be accountable if they do wrong like every one. Even the prophets themselves are accountable.
Look into Abdullah bin Saba, and the orgins of the Sabi'tes his group. And look for both sides to the story.
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Bukhari confirms there are 2 kinds of ahlulbayts. The ahlulbayt you "normally" use and the ahlulbayt from hadith al-kissa. Go look that one up.
moos07 3 years ago
allow me to interfer brother, i am shia ,and i am living in kuwait-which it is a sunni country- ,and i studied for twelve years in the goverment schools,i didn`t found any mention for imam ali nor fatima al zahra nor imam hasan or husin,
iknow that sunnis iove them,but not as much as omar or abubakr or aisha or moawia,and by loving mowaia more than ali it means that you not truly love imam ali nor ahlalbayt,
more than that,the islamic history is completly hidded from people here.
mowali4ali 3 years ago 2
allow me to interfer brother,
there is no existence for a man called abdulah bin saaba ,and if you can read in arabic i can show you a book of a sunnis religon scholars who prooved that there is no one with that name!!!!!
also,by logic,if we-shia- don`t mention this name in any book of ours, who can you say that he is the one who-created-the shia religon as what you are saying???
mowali4ali 3 years ago 3
Just because one person wrote that he didnt exist doesnt make it so! Shia's always want to put Aisha(ra) down so they make divition between Her and Ali(ra). Yes they might've had disagreements but to say they hated each other is a total fabrication! If you read the Quran properly you can see That Aisha(ra) is Ahylul'bayt and many other places refer to her as Mother of the Believers. You can belive it or not, but The Quran clearly talks about Shia (sects) in Islam, so you decide for yourself.
unknownavenger08 3 years ago
Why do you concentrate just on Aisha and never think of all other wifes of the Prophet(S)? Is it because she is Abu Bakrs daughter? The Prophet(S) never married anyone else while Khadijah(A) was alive, but during Aishas time, he had several wifes, Quran even warns the wifes of prophet(S) against errs. And the verse about sect is about those who disregarded the event of Ghadeer and Hadith al-Thaqalayn and divided the Ummah into sects.
Mubahala 3 years ago
Umm Salama said: "O Prophet of Allah! Am I not one of the members of your family?" The Holy Prophet replied: "You have a good future but only these are the members of my family. O Lord! The members of my family are more deserving."
Sunni reference: al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v2, p416
moos07 3 years ago
unknownavernger08 is right Aisha is mentioned in the Quran surah 33:32-34, it says the prophets wives are pure and spotless.
inov8or 3 years ago
Again, vers 33:33 are talking about the wifes in beginning but later on it is changing gender from feminime to masculin. And in arabic language, if you have a group of woman, you address them in feminime gender but if there is only one man among them, it is masculin. Read the verse in arabic and you will find out it is changing gender so it could not possibly be about the wifes of the Prophet(S).
Mubahala 3 years ago
Verse 33:33 also includes wives even though it is in masculine gender because when you refer to ahlul bayt(including both men and women) it can only be used in the masculine.
inov8or 3 years ago
Ok, let say that you are right. But does all the wives include in this according to you?
Mubahala 3 years ago
there was a battle between imam ali and aisha,so many muslims where killed,and therefore,there is must be a wrong side and right side ,which one do you think is the right side???
by the way do you know that when imam hassan were killed by poison,aisha didn`t let imam husin to bury his brother near the grave of the prophet mohammed -sawa-??
and do you know that when imam ali were killed,aisha were happy for that,and she did a -sojod- for allah for this!!!!!!!
and all these are in sunnis books
mowali4ali 3 years ago 2
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0002Omar 3 years ago 3
Mashallaah, I can remember clearly that that, I was 6. Me and my parents were viting Teheran and then, Imam Khomeini(RA) passed away. We then went to the farewell ceremony. I don't think I'll ever live to see anything like it ever again.
I don't think any normal man can ever make such a diffrence in the world like Imam Khomeini(RA). Rahmat Allah 3alaay
Hamoodi99 4 years ago 3
Islamic Ummah owes a debt of gratitude to this great leader.
thuderbay 4 years ago 2
اللهم صل عليهم وعلى أجسادهم وأرواحهم على ظاهرهم وغائبهم اللهم احشرنا معهم في الدنيا وفي الاخرة ولا تفرق بيننا وبينهم طرفة عين أبدا
0002Omar 4 years ago 5
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0002Omar 4 years ago 5
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v2030 4 years ago 3
Allah o Akbar
Khomeini Rahbar
Long live to Irannnnn and his Shia allies
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v2030 4 years ago
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Jacobnearyou 5 months ago
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gohoda 4 years ago 3
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Thanks again
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