@eflatalto4 A bit 'stand offish', a tad aloof, but I agree with your comments about him being a superb musician. For many years his technical ability was unmatched
@curlyjim2550 Here in the U.S. we refer to a "QUIRKY" person as" a bit full of himself." I understand what you mean now ,but are'nt all really talented musicians a bit "quirky"?
I had a dust up with a guy here on Utube. He claimed Bunny Berigan was far better than Wynton Marsalis. His prejudice against blacks was obvious, but be could'nt see it. Maybe Marsalis is quirky too but that does'nt mean Berigan was a better musician.
@tinners1987 are you speaking of McCann the personality or McCann the musician?? I dont know him personally but as a musician he is superb . If you say you are a better musician, you must really be something special. Where can I hear some of your performances. I would be curious to hear you top McCann.
@eflatalto4 Jim Shepherd is in my opinion, probably the best cornet player on the planet. He was principal cornet with Dyke for many years and one of the most genuine and humble men it has ever been my pleasure both to meet and perform with. Google his name and see what you come up with.
@curlyjim2550 My experience with an Eb brass band is probably somewhat different than yours. In the 1960s, I joined the 1st Brigade Band. They play 19th century band music from our Civil War period. All of the instrument are original and authentic from the mid 1800s. The cornets, altos and tubas are all Eb and all of the instruments are conical bore. We were entirely made up of amatuers, occasionally bringing in a "ringer" on Eb cornet for solos. A real fun band
@curlyjim2550 I have now heard Jim Shepherd play with the Black Dyke Band, and I agree, his technical musicianship is jaw dropping and I would love to have played in a band with him as solist!!!
Is the Black Dyke Band amatuer or professional or a mixture??
I have never heard a band this good and the soloists are real "ear candy"
@eflatalto4 Hmm,,A mix would be probably be most accurate.
Most are not professional musicians in that sense (ie they do not earn their living that way) but they have reached a professional standard from picking up an intrument as a young child and excelling at music. The rest is promotion, playing with higher standard bands until you reach the pinnacle, playing with a band like Black Dyke or Grimethorpe. If you get there, you've made it, and it's done for pride rather than money.
@curlyjim2550 Certainly musicians like Shepherd are at least semi professional, earning some money for their participation in the band. Although I was started in music at age 5, I never attained the level where I could support myself by music alone. It was more of a "hobby" and a very good one in which I met many interesting people and traveled to many interesting places. It also started me on collecting antique instruments.
@eflatalto4 Just a few questions about Black Dyke. How are they funded? do they own all the instruments? do they pay soloists a fee? How many performances do they have in a year. Do they recruit players? do musicians "challenge" to move up in the section?
I cant see a guy just coming up and saying "I want to play in the band" at least not a band of this quality.
They have big sponsorship deals with record companies like doyen, I should imagine the band members pay subs. Usually the soloist is a member of the band however soloist are brought in aswell, unlike the orchestra where the soloist is more often than not brought in from outside. Uusally bands as good as Dyke have an audition process for 'unknowns'
@falcons1988 Thanks for answering my questions. I have a few more I would like to ask. Do the musicians own their own instruments? What makers are preferred for the brasses? Does the band have an "Eflat" cornet section apart from the Bflats?,or are they just used for solos. Does "challenging" cause any personnel problems? (would'nt the musicians accept being "assigned" by the director?} Are there any women in the band? If so, does that cause any problems?
@eflatalto4 Invariably the band members have their own instruments. Makers, usually Yamaha or Besson. However my preferred is Schilke. Eb Soprano Cornet, is a single part within the cornet section of the band with one player on the part. The cornet is this 1 x sop (Eb), 4 x solo(Bb), 1 x rep(Bb), 2 x 2nd(Bb), 2 x 3rd(Bb). The soprano cornet has solos but is more of the icing on the cake, played by a complete nutter (me).
@falcons1988 When I played in modern brass bands, I used Yahama. When I played in the 1850s antique band, I used horns from my own collection My favorite was an "anon" bell front Eb alto with Vienna Valves. Sweetest sounding alto I ever played. I still have it hanging on the wall. They can put it in my coffin when I go!! The 1850s band has 1&2 Eb cornet, 1&2 Bb cornet, !&2 Eb alto, 1&2 Bb Tenor, 1&2 Bb Beri, 1 Eb Bass 1Eb clar 1D pic 1snare and 1 bass drum. -----No trombones.
@eflatalto4 Your Collection, I am interested. I am trying to hold of a 1936 Trumpet. Which of my mates mate has got. He only £40 for it. Forgetting exchange rates, it would like you paying $40.
@falcons1988 My collection ranges from 1770 to 1890 and includes both woodwind and brass. a 1936 instrument is not considered "antique". you should be able to find many such instruments on ebay. Have you looked there?
@eflatalto4 Nutter is a British term for someone who can be a bit over the top sometimes in a fun and good way (usually)but it is neither a complimentary or derogatory term, just a descriptive term
From my own experience of Brass Bands (even though I never played for bands such as dyke, though I have played in very good bands). Regards positions. The players do generally accept where the MD puts them however if they are lower down they always want to move up and the principles want to stay there. Where players are always fluctuates. Players leaves others come in. All round healthy competition however in lower section bands it can get a bit hairy.
@falcons1988 The "hairy" problems in an antique band seems to occur in the upper brass and woodwind section .Lower brass were usually the gruff old farts who had been in the military and could handle competition. We had a first class MD in Dan Woolpert. one of the best organizers, directors, and musicians I ever met.
Finally, I have not known a band I have played in that hasn't got women in. In some bands that really hold the tradition it can be quite contentious however for the most part, if you can play the part and do the job who cares whether you male, female or a cross between both.
@falcons1988 Whenever a woman joined the antique band (and there were some fine musicians among them) they ALWAYS caused a problem for the males. I saw a lot of marriages break up because of it. Both sexes were responsible for the problems. Also, dressing a woman to look like a Civil War soldier is no easy task (Civil war soldiers did'nt wear lipstick or have lumpy chests.
@eflatalto4 well it gives the enemy two nice targets to aim for ;-). I presume you mean the American Civil War. Usually over here in the U.K. The English Civil War refers to the Parliamentarians against the Royalists.
Back on topic, I have seen a few problems especially when certain band members have 'got off' with other band members. I did one contest, and we all went down to have drink. One the girls, ended up having a good time for the whole night.
@falcons1988 well, I do like lumpy chests, but I like seeing them in bras, not on Civil War soldiers. There is a place for everything, and a battlefield is no place for lumpy chests and lipstick
@curlyjim2550 In my opinion, Black Dyke is superior to Grimethorpe although both bands far surpass anything here in the U.S. You folks in the U.K. are really fortunate to be able to see and hear musical organizations of this quality, live and "on stage" When folks in the U.S. hear them, we are blown away by their quality and the level of musicianship. We have nothing here to compare with Dyke or Grimethorp.
@eflatalto4 Indeed they are both fabulous brass band but for me personally, it's Grimethorpe's Bass section that just tips the balance in their favour. I never could understand why the traditional brass band never caught on over in the States, it's certainly not for the want of superb brass players of which you have many. Am I right in thinking that military type marching bands are more popular.?
@curlyjim2550 Yes, you are correct. The musicians are here, but the bands are not. Sixty years ago, when I was a youngster, brass concert bands were still around, but fading. If it had not been for my interest in instrument collecting, I would not have connected with an antique brass band. For me, to hear an 11 man Eb antique brass band play "Washington Grays" is a special treat.
@olliea123 I assume the comments on this board are "british" in nature. Do you mean he has his head up his butt, or does your comment mean something else??? Personally, I think the the Black Dyke Mills Band stands alone as a brass band and its cornet soloists are a delight to hear and unmatched by anyone today.
he is an arsehole, take it from me, he tried too teach me, the problem is that i am and always will be better!!!!
tinners1987 1 year ago
@tinners1987 Is McCann really that bad..? I've heard he can be a bit.. well strange sometimes.
curlyjim2550 1 year ago
@curlyjim2550 Strange??? in what way???
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@eflatalto4 A bit 'stand offish', a tad aloof, but I agree with your comments about him being a superb musician. For many years his technical ability was unmatched
(in my opinion)
curlyjim2550 1 year ago
@curlyjim2550 Here in the U.S. we refer to a "QUIRKY" person as" a bit full of himself." I understand what you mean now ,but are'nt all really talented musicians a bit "quirky"?
I had a dust up with a guy here on Utube. He claimed Bunny Berigan was far better than Wynton Marsalis. His prejudice against blacks was obvious, but be could'nt see it. Maybe Marsalis is quirky too but that does'nt mean Berigan was a better musician.
eflatalto4 1 year ago
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EricLiddellCentre 1 year ago
@tinners1987 are you speaking of McCann the personality or McCann the musician?? I dont know him personally but as a musician he is superb . If you say you are a better musician, you must really be something special. Where can I hear some of your performances. I would be curious to hear you top McCann.
eflatalto4 1 year ago
Philip McCanns a bit up his own arse but i mean he is amazing
olliea123 2 years ago
I prefer the legendary Jim Shepherd myself
curlyjim2550 2 years ago
@curlyjim2550 I have been looking for Shepherd since you mentioned him. Can you fill me in??
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@eflatalto4 Jim Shepherd is in my opinion, probably the best cornet player on the planet. He was principal cornet with Dyke for many years and one of the most genuine and humble men it has ever been my pleasure both to meet and perform with. Google his name and see what you come up with.
curlyjim2550 1 year ago
@curlyjim2550 My experience with an Eb brass band is probably somewhat different than yours. In the 1960s, I joined the 1st Brigade Band. They play 19th century band music from our Civil War period. All of the instrument are original and authentic from the mid 1800s. The cornets, altos and tubas are all Eb and all of the instruments are conical bore. We were entirely made up of amatuers, occasionally bringing in a "ringer" on Eb cornet for solos. A real fun band
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@curlyjim2550 I have now heard Jim Shepherd play with the Black Dyke Band, and I agree, his technical musicianship is jaw dropping and I would love to have played in a band with him as solist!!!
Is the Black Dyke Band amatuer or professional or a mixture??
I have never heard a band this good and the soloists are real "ear candy"
I like the Childs folks on Euph. what a treat!!
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@eflatalto4 Hmm,,A mix would be probably be most accurate.
Most are not professional musicians in that sense (ie they do not earn their living that way) but they have reached a professional standard from picking up an intrument as a young child and excelling at music. The rest is promotion, playing with higher standard bands until you reach the pinnacle, playing with a band like Black Dyke or Grimethorpe. If you get there, you've made it, and it's done for pride rather than money.
curlyjim2550 1 year ago
@curlyjim2550 Certainly musicians like Shepherd are at least semi professional, earning some money for their participation in the band. Although I was started in music at age 5, I never attained the level where I could support myself by music alone. It was more of a "hobby" and a very good one in which I met many interesting people and traveled to many interesting places. It also started me on collecting antique instruments.
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@eflatalto4 Just a few questions about Black Dyke. How are they funded? do they own all the instruments? do they pay soloists a fee? How many performances do they have in a year. Do they recruit players? do musicians "challenge" to move up in the section?
I cant see a guy just coming up and saying "I want to play in the band" at least not a band of this quality.
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@eflatalto4
They have big sponsorship deals with record companies like doyen, I should imagine the band members pay subs. Usually the soloist is a member of the band however soloist are brought in aswell, unlike the orchestra where the soloist is more often than not brought in from outside. Uusally bands as good as Dyke have an audition process for 'unknowns'
falcons1988 1 year ago
@falcons1988 Thanks for answering my questions. I have a few more I would like to ask. Do the musicians own their own instruments? What makers are preferred for the brasses? Does the band have an "Eflat" cornet section apart from the Bflats?,or are they just used for solos. Does "challenging" cause any personnel problems? (would'nt the musicians accept being "assigned" by the director?} Are there any women in the band? If so, does that cause any problems?
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@eflatalto4 Invariably the band members have their own instruments. Makers, usually Yamaha or Besson. However my preferred is Schilke. Eb Soprano Cornet, is a single part within the cornet section of the band with one player on the part. The cornet is this 1 x sop (Eb), 4 x solo(Bb), 1 x rep(Bb), 2 x 2nd(Bb), 2 x 3rd(Bb). The soprano cornet has solos but is more of the icing on the cake, played by a complete nutter (me).
falcons1988 1 year ago
@falcons1988 When I played in modern brass bands, I used Yahama. When I played in the 1850s antique band, I used horns from my own collection My favorite was an "anon" bell front Eb alto with Vienna Valves. Sweetest sounding alto I ever played. I still have it hanging on the wall. They can put it in my coffin when I go!! The 1850s band has 1&2 Eb cornet, 1&2 Bb cornet, !&2 Eb alto, 1&2 Bb Tenor, 1&2 Bb Beri, 1 Eb Bass 1Eb clar 1D pic 1snare and 1 bass drum. -----No trombones.
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@eflatalto4 Your Collection, I am interested. I am trying to hold of a 1936 Trumpet. Which of my mates mate has got. He only £40 for it. Forgetting exchange rates, it would like you paying $40.
falcons1988 1 year ago
@falcons1988 My collection ranges from 1770 to 1890 and includes both woodwind and brass. a 1936 instrument is not considered "antique". you should be able to find many such instruments on ebay. Have you looked there?
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@falcons1988 I have never heard the term "nutter", I hope it is a complimentary term. :^)
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@eflatalto4 Nutter is a British term for someone who can be a bit over the top sometimes in a fun and good way (usually)but it is neither a complimentary or derogatory term, just a descriptive term
falcons1988 1 year ago
@falcons1988 " Nutters, quirks, full of ourselves"-------we musicians are a different kind, are'nt we?? ;^)
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@eflatalto4
From my own experience of Brass Bands (even though I never played for bands such as dyke, though I have played in very good bands). Regards positions. The players do generally accept where the MD puts them however if they are lower down they always want to move up and the principles want to stay there. Where players are always fluctuates. Players leaves others come in. All round healthy competition however in lower section bands it can get a bit hairy.
falcons1988 1 year ago
@falcons1988 The "hairy" problems in an antique band seems to occur in the upper brass and woodwind section .Lower brass were usually the gruff old farts who had been in the military and could handle competition. We had a first class MD in Dan Woolpert. one of the best organizers, directors, and musicians I ever met.
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@eflatalto4
Finally, I have not known a band I have played in that hasn't got women in. In some bands that really hold the tradition it can be quite contentious however for the most part, if you can play the part and do the job who cares whether you male, female or a cross between both.
falcons1988 1 year ago
@falcons1988 Whenever a woman joined the antique band (and there were some fine musicians among them) they ALWAYS caused a problem for the males. I saw a lot of marriages break up because of it. Both sexes were responsible for the problems. Also, dressing a woman to look like a Civil War soldier is no easy task (Civil war soldiers did'nt wear lipstick or have lumpy chests.
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@eflatalto4 well it gives the enemy two nice targets to aim for ;-). I presume you mean the American Civil War. Usually over here in the U.K. The English Civil War refers to the Parliamentarians against the Royalists.
Back on topic, I have seen a few problems especially when certain band members have 'got off' with other band members. I did one contest, and we all went down to have drink. One the girls, ended up having a good time for the whole night.
falcons1988 1 year ago
@falcons1988 Was she having a good time ,or just trying to move up a few chairs?
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@eflatalto4 well she was acutally principle cornet at the time.
falcons1988 1 year ago
@falcons1988 well, I do like lumpy chests, but I like seeing them in bras, not on Civil War soldiers. There is a place for everything, and a battlefield is no place for lumpy chests and lipstick
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@curlyjim2550 In my opinion, Black Dyke is superior to Grimethorpe although both bands far surpass anything here in the U.S. You folks in the U.K. are really fortunate to be able to see and hear musical organizations of this quality, live and "on stage" When folks in the U.S. hear them, we are blown away by their quality and the level of musicianship. We have nothing here to compare with Dyke or Grimethorp.
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@eflatalto4 Indeed they are both fabulous brass band but for me personally, it's Grimethorpe's Bass section that just tips the balance in their favour. I never could understand why the traditional brass band never caught on over in the States, it's certainly not for the want of superb brass players of which you have many. Am I right in thinking that military type marching bands are more popular.?
curlyjim2550 1 year ago
@curlyjim2550 Yes, you are correct. The musicians are here, but the bands are not. Sixty years ago, when I was a youngster, brass concert bands were still around, but fading. If it had not been for my interest in instrument collecting, I would not have connected with an antique brass band. For me, to hear an 11 man Eb antique brass band play "Washington Grays" is a special treat.
eflatalto4 1 year ago
@olliea123 I assume the comments on this board are "british" in nature. Do you mean he has his head up his butt, or does your comment mean something else??? Personally, I think the the Black Dyke Mills Band stands alone as a brass band and its cornet soloists are a delight to hear and unmatched by anyone today.
eflatalto4 1 year ago
That was an insane solo.
HahaMelia 2 years ago
Awesome!!! He´s really good!!!
Dani060193 2 years ago