The Lies Called "Post-Modernism"/Relativism and Tolerance

[drflux90]

there are 76 post modernists here...0_0

[DrFlippin]

There is an ultimate truth - the problem is that everyone interprets what they perceive that truth to be, in different ways. And so the solution is to tell all of those who don't abide by your interpretation of the truth, that they are LIARS!? LOL Without relativism, we would have never come to understand that the atrocities committed throughout the ages, in the name of Jesus Christ or Allah, etc, were unholy.

[TheDoveLady]

Love is the new religion.

[akachristian]

@TheDoveLady HUMANISM APOSTASY!!!  Man Centered versus GOD CENTERED ABSOLUTES!!!

[berivera1964]

Relative doesn't mean that anyone has the answer. It means that noone has the answer. Do you believe in a higher power? Higher means superior. It means that wisdom only comes through attempting to understand and not attempting to convince.

[Creationcreed]

@berivera1964 Is that the correct answer?

[nicodemous52]

. I agree 100% with what is said here. However, I would caution anyone against 100% surety in having the whole truth. Not for sake of peace and unity, but as a guard against hubris. A humble Christian is but a man that should be able to admit that there may be more of himself in his interpretation than of GOD in all but the most basic and obvious passages…

[womanfromspace]

Ridiculous



[NearVSMello]

Btw postmodernism is not relativism. It is a moment in human history where we looked back and asked ourselves if we've accomplished anything in philosophy, literature, music, art that cannot be reinterpreted as good or evil with the times. It is not a declarative movement! It is a movement where the position is to refrain from judgment and question. It does not say: There is no objective truth. It asks the question: Is there an objective truth?

[NearVSMello]

Postmodernism may be a walking contradiction (I would argue that btw) but it is YOU who's saying we shouldn't follow walking contradictions.

[wuz352]

HAHAHA!!! Wooow! I'm sure the people who made this video would also promote the use of "nigger" and slavery. The Bible promotes slavery, ya know. It also cherishes the sacrifices and sacrifice/crucifixion of a sinless, "perfect" virgin... You see where I'm going with this? Jesus Christ, haha... GET IT?!

[dlbattle100]

Ok, then make sure you stone your rebellious children like the bible says.

[NotAManButDynamite]

Ever heard of the straw-man fallacy? I recommend looking into it, and then re-evaluating what arguments you have placed in the mouths of those with whom you disagree. You reaffirm the sentiments held by many that incline people to rebel against dogmatic, exclusivist, and intolerant teachings. Try critical thinking. Try researching the origins of belief. Try understanding where these people are coming from before you post a polemic on youtube solely because your unquestioned beliefs are at stake.

[FuckUtube4Life2010]

the poster of this video is an absolute dumb fuck and the exact reason why nobody respects fucktard christians.

[yagorules]

I agree with you, truth is not relative. There is no god and you are mad, absolutely mad.

[philresearch]

I am RIGHT! I am WARNING you! You have better follow what I am saying because IT is RIGHT! I am infallible!

[Strefanasha]

yes, there is no such thing as relative truth.

but as knowledge puffs up most people who stand for biblical truth are indeed arrogant. no because their propositions are wrong but because they do it not in love. if the church of today has reacted against this guess whose fault it .

never forget that when truth was imprtant they burnt people at the stake.

relativism is wrong, but so is the standard response to it.

woe to the latter day heresy hunter

[mikeshanklin]

God lol

[greenghost2008]

There is no god anyway.

[greenghost2008]

sentences and propositions only have meaning through interpretation. Otherwise it has no meaning. Similar to how facts mean very little when tring to figure something out without theory.

[willhum]

......ever onward the US's culture wars rolls. Yawn.

[artiefiscal]

I've never seen a pick up game where no one realizes that no one knows what rules they're in until half way through the game.

[Hufflewaffle]

So, um, we must also play football, baseball, cricket, blackjack, etc. according to the rules of basketball? How do we know that basketball is the one 'true' game?

I wonder who came up with the bright idea of using a metaphor to explain how there is no such thing as metaphor.

[huntergrantzuzana]

The best film - a family about moral relativism is "The Godchild". You can see it if you search for the film on the web. "The truth never changes".

[mrvannik]

Imaginary rules from your imaginary friend!

[PurgatoryChasm]

come see me at freedomissacred where i have lots of videos about art and where i made some kinky videos showing my bum.

[49jubilee]

postmodernism has really attacked styles of music: it hasnt changed much since 1988--even in christian circles

[timetochilli]

post modernism is a cover up story for stupidity

[lawndeer]

@timetochilli Postmodernism is a response to modernist's ignorance. It takes some knowledge to truly know you don't know anything.

[timetochilli]

@lawndeer no its not post modern thought bases oppnions on assumptions does not take into account institutional structure and how they affect thought and corrupt reason you cant say you dont know anything everything is human made up until some areas of science and human made stuff like governance, law,religion and others can be known maybe not to the fullest by one or all individuals but to a degree where we can hope to make life better! bang fuck you!

[DanteWhite]

this video is stupid, first of all the bible's language is very poetic therefore it is open to many kind of interpretations we know that the bible did not fall off from the sky and that it was organized by the roman empire and the foundation of catholicism, now what gives the romans or in the case of counter-catholic religion (martin luther) the right to take account of that which we call god, there is no objective truth in something as subjective as the bible and faith

[L0VE2TROLL]

or maybe the whole bible is flawed to begin with, so that even if you take it literally it still isn't the word of god.  Don't take me wrong I believe in god or to be more clear, a force that is present, that is all powerful whether it be intelligent or not. However you're just fooling yourselves if you think the bible is the word of god.

[avoidingstudy]

how progressive americans are, i didn't know the bible was now called the rule book

[magicyte]

And still...the fact remains...a truth is not equal to an absolute. They do not mean the same thing. Absolute is level if you will of truth...not the truth itself. They have completely different definitions and are used in completely different ways. The main reason for this is because truth does in fact NOT equal absolute...because truth is NOT absolute.

[magicyte]

Maybe the only explaination to absolute truth and absolute anything...would be to say absolutes solely exist for the indiviual...and to the limited intelligence of that individual.

[aveyowyns]

@magicyte

that's relativism! LOL

clever wordplay though...

[magicyte]

And even better...what happens when you get down to the creator? Lets say we figured out and concluded that a God created existence. Well of course we're lead right back to square one. Who or what created God? It will be a very very very long time before we're anywhere near proving an absolute anything. Unless of course the person claiming the truth closes his/her perception...then you could say an absolute does exist for...him/her....but no one else.

[aveyowyns]

@magicyte

Nothing created God - a quick google search would have answered this.

God was not created! He is an eternal, infinite being. (A quick google search will explain why).

[magicyte]

@aveyowyns I sure hope you're not serious that I trust all my knowledge of google searches. Is that really what you tell everyone else to do to acquire knowledge? Everything you have said is nothing but presumptions and theoretical truths. I will not search google for answers about God. Give me a break.

[aveyowyns]

@magicyte

No you goof...

I simply pointed out google searches to show how easy it is for you to find your own answers instead of leaving it up to the non-existent Christian you happen to be posing your question to.

I will not search google for answers about God: Then use a frigging LIBRARY!!  The point is: DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!

[aveyowyns]

@magicyte

I responded to more of your comments quite intelligently - in my own opinion, so you could, AT LEAST, have given me enough credit and understood that I did not mean: get all your information about God from google... Yet, I would think that YouTube isn't that much better a source either!

[magicyte]

You can't use the word truth to apply to absolutes...since truth is a perception. Humanity has yet to prove one absolute. Chances are it never will...as for an object to be absolute solid, absolute zero, absolute zero mass....the object would not exist. Humanity can only bank on one absolute truth. A question will always lead to another question...thus a question brought down to it's root is incapable of having an answer perceivable by humans.

[aveyowyns]

@magicyte

Humanity has yet to prove one absolute: 1+1=2 ... Nobel Prize, please. Abstracts are absolute... Ideas are absolute - you cannot divide my idea in half, and once my idea is thought it forever exists, unchanging ... "Pink unicorns floating across the sky and eating cottage cheese" This thought is absolute and cannot be 'unthought.' Of course, I can modify it to make a NEW thought/idea, but like I said, it cannot be 'unthought.'

[jazzbo66zz]

Absolute truth is the origin of totalitarianism. But the text of the absolute and unchanging truth contained in the Holy Bible conveniently presents 7,000

versions of itself that differ sufficiently to be copyright protected in English. The voice of God & its sacred text function as a franchise on power garnered by the ambitious over the frightened & ignorant. The Ku Klux Klan seized upon the symbol of the burning crucifix to instill terror in blacks. Organized hate is part of the ethos of faith

[helpdonate1]

What is truth LaneCh?

[WTSfailzTOyou]

IDK about you but a theocracy is not a world i want to live in.

[HermitintheRain]

When God gives a people over to a reprobate mind, as he promised would be done in Romans 1:28; or if he gives them over to a spirit of delusion as promised in 2 Thessalonians 2:11 so as to believe a lie, efforts to reason with them and show them truth will meet with all the warnings revealed throughout the book of Proverbs. They will scorn, mock, deride, grieve, shame, hate and even persecute and kill anyone who should dare to reprove, correct and/or instruct in the Way, the Truth and the Life.

[depunk]

I get all my biblical interpretations from the crazy toothless homeless guy who lives outside on my block. Not good enough?

[gen6k]

inifnite ways, become amish, or jahovahs witness, you'll see your youtube christianism is not touching anything.

[horusd]

Pure puritanical rubbish. There is no one truth. Religion runs scared of losing its power.

[waylifetruth]

Really? Is what you say true? :) do you lack the mental horsepower to understand you are making a truth claim that states there is no truth? LOL

[DittoGlen]

Truth is dying in the sea of tolorance...

†

[fede2]

a lot of this is a linguistic problem. to say there is no "truth" is a relative statement. it's usually refered to ultimate meaning of reality. in that sense it is enirely possible (in fact, very likely) that there is no truth. this is not the same as saying that there are no truths or that nothing can be true. it simply means that there is no reason to believe in an ultimate goal or teleology to life.

[cheshirelizzy]

We most definitely need this!

[ManicEightBall]

How do they figure that if one church decides to do things a different way, that another church can come in and tell them it's not allowed and they have to change?

Of course, no two churches can agree on what the truth is, so it seems we're back to the beginning.

[transfixedtornado]

sorry to say, but the word is not the place of truth.

it just is not

[drewmurr2]

As a Christian, I can verify that this video is terrible and unscriptural. Did he seriously just say the Bible was like a basketball rulebook? That is not the case buddy.

[BlindEyeJones]

It's all about conflict resolution: about being good secular democrats rather than being good Christians. Good and evil will lead to intractable discord, therefore, remove good and evil, right and wrong, any semblance of truth and falsity. The modern church wants to resolve cultural conflict by being amoral: amorality is the highest morality.

[11889music]

First off, the modern church, along with EVERY CHURCH EVER ESTABLISHED, has a multitude of interpretations about the "rules" and "laws" set forth in not only the Bible, but every religious work in history. To go by a SINGLE interpretation and force others to stick with that interpretation is to follow ONE persons interpretations. No one agrees on every detail on any work of religious faith.

[Zarathustra06]

The whole argument of this film, and of the side comment, is that relativism undoes itself through its very assertion. But relativism - leaving language aside for a second - is irrefutable: and absolutism - bringing back language - is irrefutable. It is an intractable paradox, good people. Language is the culprit. That we cannot exist outside of language should be great pause for thought. I just hope you can see both sides as equally valid. Pick one, if you must. But know your types of wool.

[BrutusBlackest]

If by language, you mean words, you are in error. If by language you mean communication, you assert correctly. Both sides are not equally valid. You cannot debate truth. Truth is not up for debate. Could I be wrong in this assertion? Possibly, but only in so much as one's defintion of truth will allow. Is truth synonymous with right? Again, only in so much as one defines the terms of each. I'll concede this point to you Zarathustra, the ENGLISH language is the culprit.

[jetzoom99]

I for one believe in absolutes. Everything is either true or false whether scientific, spiritual etc. Truth is concrete, it never changes, conforms or adapts. A professor, theologian or preacher cannot change concrete truth. All roads do not lead to the same destination as we are often told. There is one road. Jesus said, "I am the way, the true and the life...no one can access the Father (God) except by me". That's pretty concrete. All men have a choice, accept or deny Jesus as the only way.

[noahnz]

Everything is true or false? Ok, then please tell me whether the following statement is true or false (but you can't use anything else): you still beat your wife.

[LaneCh]

That's the informal logical fallacy called the "loaded question".

[noahnz]

Right, but it shows that there are some things that cannot be said to be either true or false.

[LaneCh]

How?

[clarkewi]

@noahnz This presentation is excellent proof that "Grace without works is "Dead Letter". X rated Paulian "Xtianity" is simply making up ones own rules - one's private interpretationl. Scripture is "legalisms" by definition. Obey ALL 10 Commandments and Laws of Noah and keep the testimony of Jesus Christ. Abandon the mark of the Beast - Babylonian Sunday (Lucifer) worship and repent

[BassP86]

The statement "you still beat your wife" is actually just like asking the question, "What does nothing look like".

I've got some shocking news fro you Noah. No matter where you go in world, wherever there is a road, we look both ways before crossing. It's EITHER the bus OR me, not both of us. ;)

[fruitofspirit]

Very good.

[Emissionary]

Predestination and the doctrine of free will are both Christian doctrines: they are merely doctrines which originate from converse perspectives of time. In the present time (toward the future history), we have free will. From the perspective of the future history toward the present of history, there is predestination.

I do distinguish between relativism and different perspectives which contain truth.

Truth is as a white beam of light shining in the midst of darkness.

[Hoobtastic]

LOL. Precise, accurate, uniform ....biblical interpretation.LOL.

[stefanielorimer]

Absolute Truth exists. This does not mean that we have to be in full (or even partial) posession of it. The knowledge that it exists is enough to support a strong metaphysic.

[shoelessone]

lol religion.

[ilikezappa]

Truth is a word that has no place in a church I fear. Science has demolished any literal truth in the bible , so all that is left is an interpretation of some stories as metaphor surely?

[stefanielorimer]

Science has done what??? Science has finally found that the earth is round (about 1400 years after the Bible), it has finally realized that the essence of life is in our blood, is has recently realized that the universe is expanding at the speed of light, that all humanity has a common ancestor, that Darwinism is fatally flawed....etc etc. All of these many years AFTER the bible could have told them.

You need to read both some science AND your bible.

[msz1]

@stefanielorimer Even if evolution were debunked irrefutably, it doesn't make a book of baseless assertions automatically true. You could use that argument for any religion. The bible describes the earth as being "a circle". To extrapolate that into meaning people knew that the earth was spherical is desperation at its best. And even so, you can find facts that are true in fiction novels, that doesn't make the whole thing true. Your logical fallacies are amazing.

[yahooman2009]

The example of the basketball game doesn't fit the so-called lies about the dangers of Tolerance, Relativism, or Post-Modernism. It is the cause of intolerance among other peoples actions that they play by their own rules. And I must admit that the view of tolerance is mixed.

[amg0214]

Skepticism needs to be implemented into finding your own beliefs. Not so much the matter of not accepting any beliefs, but the rigorous scrutiny and inquiry of any subject matter that must be taken into account before supporting it.

[yobhsiFehT]

I agree. And as a Christian, I've spent my whole life scrutinizing what I'm taught - weighing people's interpretations of the Bible against my own and my own experiences in life. I have yet to find anything in life's experiences, science, logic, sound philosophy, etc. that could not be found in Scriptural teaching. In my lifetime of questioning beliefs, it hasn't happened that the Bible couldn't back up or be backed up by rigorous scrutiny.

[MaBu888]

I agree about what is said with post-modernism, ut I still think pre-rational religion is damaging to humanity as a whole entity.

[BnetTheAwesome]

In the description you present a strawman. Russel's Paradox tells us that we can't put classifications within themselves, meaning I can critique moral absolutism without being critiqued back. Obviously this explanation is Spartan, but I suggest Googling before creating presuppositions.

[LaneCh]

So do you not hold that there are no such things as absolutes?

[BnetTheAwesome]

I believe so but to preempt your next argument, I do not think my view is absolute, just that it is a view. Most postmodernists advocate this kind of perspectivism. They do say "It is absolutely true that there are absolutes" rather the pomo thinker is always questioning everything, critical of dogma. A true pomo thinker would reject their views as absolute, rather, an observation in which harms could be weighed for pragmatism.

Also, you didn't respond to Russel's paradox.

[LaneCh]

Well, I say that your view is wrong. Do you hold that your view is right?

[BnetTheAwesome]

I would critique your notion of "wrong". I think that "right" is too abstract to apply to anything. You rely on social constructions of "right" and "wrong" and cleave onto it as it is the ultimate truth. I believe my view is impossible to be true, as any view is, because I still have my biases, as do you. My view helps me through life however and it is a right for me to have it

Also, you didn't respond to any of my arguments, please do so before dogmatically saying I'm wrong.

[LaneCh]

"Also, you didn't respond to any of my arguments, please do so before dogmatically saying I'm wrong."

Why should I? You don't have enough confidence in your own argument to assert that you're even right? Why waste my time on an argument that you're not even sure enough about to endorse? I believe that it is wrong to respond to your arguments. Do you hold that it would be right to?

[BnetTheAwesome]

This is a terrible argument. You operate in the paradigm of "right" and "wrong". It would be hypocritical of you to not logically analyze something as right and wrong regardless of my viewpoint.

Then again, you could just be lazy. And no, its not a lack of confidence that prevents me from catagorizing things as "right" and "wrong" but rather my viewpoint. Stop being lazy and use some logic. If your next response is lazy, this argument ends by me not responding.

[LaneCh]

So do you believe that I'm wrong for "being lazy" and "not using logic"? If you don't respond, I take it that you do believe I am wrong. Why? Because you've set up a a/non-a premise. Either I answer to your satisfaction and "am right" (a) and you respond further or I don't answer to your satisfaction and "am wrong" and you don't respond (non-a). It does seem the absolute right and wrong issue is in play, does it not and has it not been since your first comment? :)

[BnetTheAwesome]

This relies totally on the presupposition I think you're "wrong" for being nonresponsive. I thought we where having a nice intellectual discussion, so to broaden the scope, I was gonna direct you to my other arguments. There was no inherent "right" or "wrong" in play with you decision to be lazy.

Regardless, Im tried of this argument. Was nice discussing the merits of Postmodernism but I try to avoid heated internet arguments. Not worth it.

[LaneCh]

There are two possible outcomes, possibly more:

1) You realize the futility of your arguments and in order to not have them further exposed as false, you retreat because quote "...I try to avoid heated internet arguments."

(cont...)

[LaneCh]

or 2) You make it a point to start internet arguments that you know will get "heated" or "logical (as I like to call them)", post several comments arguing your position on the internet, then abandon argumentation altogether, and so basically you're a hypocrite.

I'm not sure how to score this one. Either would seem to be applicable in this case. Bravo, Mr. TheAwesome. lol

[riffmanforchrist]

The Mighty Law of Non Contradiction, very nice my friend! It's nice to know that fellow Christians are arguing for the Truth logically. God Bless you! May God Himself give more insight!

[tribal425]

1.) If all creations have a creator, then who or what created the creator?

2.) If the Bible/Quran/Torah are in fact "perfect representations of God's word" then how can we as as imperfect humans be expected to comprehend perfection?

3.) Is not all formal religion a medium of pretentiousness?

[LaneCh]

1) God isn't a creation. He's eternal.

2) I don't hold the Quran is the "perfect representation of God's word". A Muslim doesn't hold that the Bible is in practice.

3) Entirely subjective assertion.

[oscarmvela]

So you belive in a little book written by primitive ignorants. Just think about it, the bible would be much different if written in the face of all newly discovered facts. I can't take that book seriously and be an objective, rational person at the same time.

[LaneCh]

The only thing that you've proven in your statements is that you have no remorse making unsubstantiated claims and claiming them as fact. Your pejorative language is hardly convincing.

[oscarmvela]

Oh brother! Most (if not all) theistic "arguments" are unsubstantiated! I could give into this and prove you wrong but you would probably end up exercising some sort of typical theistic denial or something so, well, do some research.

Yours truly: Tha Oscar

YUH!

[LaneCh]

LOL! Let me sort this out:

Your assertion:

"Most (if not all) theistic "arguments" are unsubstantiated!"

Your "substantiation":

"I could give into this and prove you wrong but you would probably end up exercising some sort of typical theistic denial or something so, well, do some research."

Have you ever studied self-refuting argumentation, Oscar? haha

[jamesmcgovern]

Hey oscarmvela, though you seem to believe that we as humans creatures today are advanced in civilization, and there are strong arguments for that, I wonder if you have ever made a strong attempt to debunk the science of the Bible. Have you ever used the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and see if the Bible backs them up or asserts them. What about isotosy, gravity, or the solar system? Do you think the Bible supports or back them up? Most philisophical arguments can sway both an

[jamesmcgovern]

anti-theist and theist point of view. The transendental agrument has never been disproven. Hey Oscar,...do you believe that Julius Ceasar walked on earth and was Ceasar until BC 41? If so, you must at least believe that a man named Jesus walked in the area known as Israel. Why? The earliest writings we have of Ceasar are 900 yrs after his death. We have 4 Gospel writings, Paul's letter's and epistles, and many other historical views written with in 75 years of Christ's life.

[yeahimjoey]

I think that although a mans truth is his own, there is still only one truth. For instance if I believe emphatically that the earth is flat does that make it so? The answer is obvious. But dont mistake the forest for the trees.The problem with relativism is that through that logic you could make excuses for anything because it is indistinguishable as "right" or "wrong". Therefore removing any responsibility whatsoever to do the right thing. Thats my opinion, and the truth.

[molloyx]

Absolute truth has been the prime explicator for all manner of historical depravites; from the Inquisition to the Holocaust to Mao Tse Tungs Cultural Revolution, Pol Pots Year Zero, Bin Ladens Fatwas and the systematic rape of children by the FLDS. All are characterized by systematic and pathological intolerance in the name of absolute principles. This video is the product of the American Taliban.

[LaneCh]

The difference of course being that the others led to great catastrophes from holding to the doctrine they taught as absolute truth, but Christianity has resulted in anything but for the past 2,000 years. (And don't bring up the Crusades because that was RC. I don't hold that they're Christians so save your straw man.)

[molloyx]

Lane. My point was, of course, that absolutism is a gateway for all manner of exploitation and depravity and oppression in the name of god or principle. The FLDS monsters routinely use 'divine revelation' as an excuse for child rape and presntly many evangelicals excoriate homosexuality on the basis of a similar delsuion. It is also trie that racsim was defended according to absolutist, religious 'logic'.

[molloyx]

Lane. My point is simply this; absolutism is the gateway to oppression, intolerance its hand maiden. Moreover, I see a clear line of connection re American evangelicals [ the Catholic Churh is a whore/ 9/11 was brought on by the behavior of gays and secularists] and the jihadists who brought down the Twin Towers.Both are infused with delusional, religious 'certainty'.

[LaneCh]

Do you hold that since there are instances of men driving cars into crowds of people to kill them that the principle of driving a car could be cast off because it's been corrupted by the use of several degenerate men? If not, then why do you employ a hypocritical double standard in terms of religion?

[molloyx]

Lane. I am almost certain there is nothing I can say that will begin to alter your opinion [ which I insist is nothing more than an opinion]. That said, if it is your intent to somehow make the world a better place via good works and simple compassion, to lift up those less fortunate than yourself, then it is possible we have some common ground.

[LaneCh]

"Lane. I am almost certain there is nothing I can say that will begin to alter your opinion [ which I insist is nothing more than an opinion]."

Of course, you argue against using absolute truth by using absolute truth. Why would you claim that you hold to it as anything more than an opinion? If you did, your hypocrisy would be all that easier to identify.

We've all seen your "attempt at rational thinking." Don't comment again unless you'd like for me to help you not by blocking you.

[MaBu888]

Do you know what evidence is???

[Eldanen]

What if we just love one another instead of following rules?

[LaneCh]

Your request is self refuting because "love one another" is a rule. You've set up a false-dichotomy.

[williamredmond]

wonderful post.

[LinkGrayX2]

Very true message. Thank you for this.

[NCDG83]

Ouch! This is such a rebuke for me. Thanks Lane. Any recommended book where it show the actual interpretation of the bible?

[LaneCh]

Although I don't believe Calvin was right about everything and he is subject to error, I think Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion is a great place to start.

[eyokley]

interesting you say "I don't believe."

awfully self-refuting, don't you think?

[LaneCh]

No because unlike post-modernism, I don't hold what I believe to be synonymous with truth. I'm open to the fact that I could be wrong. Post-modernism does not allow for this.

[eyokley]

but isn't allowing other beliefs saying "I may be wrong, what do you think," hence, allowing the possibility to be wrong?

[LaneCh]

No, it isn't because what they're saying is that "we really can't be right about anything" so they hold that they're right about that and don't allow for any conversation that doesn't agree that they're right about their assertion. It's very close minded and hypocricital.

Do you believe there is a such thing as absolute truth?

[eyokley]

well, I'd argue its very open-minded.

absolute truth is definitely real. However, I think scripture can mean different things for different people, just like God works in people in different ways, scripture can work in people in different ways.

[LaneCh]

So how would you interpret the verse:

"Everyone who believes (in Christ) is not condemned, but everyone who does not believe is condemned already."

(John 3:18)

?

[eyokley]

obviously, those who don't believe in and try to live like Christ after being introduced are "condemned."

[LaneCh]

What if I were to tell you that you're wrong about that solely because no one can really know what the verse is saying?

[eyokley]

I'd say why am I wrong.

And you'd tell me (definitely.)

[LaneCh]

What if I were to say that I couldn't tell you because we can't really know if anything is right or wrong... (it's all speculative)?

[eyokley]

I'd say you go your way and I'll go mine and we'll see how we turn out. But that scripture is awfully obvious.

[LaneCh]

Exactly, and I agree with you, but the reason I did that was to make a point. Even though that Scripture is painfully obvious as to what it means, someone of post-modernism would argue that exact, dogmatic way and they wouldn't allow for any correction. That's why when they say, "Do you consider the possibility that you're wrong?" the only reason they're asking that is because they won't admit they can be. If you ask them that, they're absolutely certain that no one can be absolutely certain.

[patrox247]

Thank you soooooooo much for this.

[petemillner]

God bless you lane, I am so grateful for your video posting. Praise the Lord, the Master of our faith.

[GPLeague]

Oops. I recognized some of those doctrinal statements.

[mrob7]

Lane! This is just the video i've been needing! Thank you so much, I really have been blessed by your videos, continue steadfastly in your ministry brother!

[apathyHurtsMore]

Want absolute truth? Read God's preserved word, the authorized King James Bible. Men playing by their own rules? Pick any modern version.

The Holy Spirit teaches the truth, and no lie. My fellow Christians, do you really not believe God is capable of gracing the entire body of Christ Jesus with the absolute truth as touching on every precept?

I make no apology for being harsh. Interpretation, as well as giving over men to their errors, belongs to God. Humbling submitted in the name of Jesus.

[ATLpirate]

There are translation problems with the King James as well.

[drumrnva]

"My fellow Christians, do you really not believe God is capable of gracing the entire body of Christ Jesus with the absolute truth as touching on every precept?"

Nope.

[ReformedLou]

"God can change my understanding of the facts in a moment, but it often takes a lifetime to effect changes of attitude."  Really? How about Saul? His attitude was changed in a flash. The thief on the tree, from cursing to repentence? How about unsaved Jews, "For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge." (Rom. 10:2) There's attitude, right? Right attitude takes longer than a lifetime to effect if it's not God working it. Read His word for what it is.

[Blaze25z]

ReformedLou Very well stated sir....

[nonew3]

Excellent video! Its message badly needs to be heard in this day and age.

[reformedman]

Good, it seems a bit longer than the first time I watched it. Was the first one edited down?

[LaneCh]

It's a continuation of the series. I think it's 16 videos total. You might be thinking that because the clip of the basketball players is from another video I put up earlier. This is the first time I've posted this particular one, though.

[got2liv4him]

this is what's needed today... proper interpretation