Respectfully, I agree with you to a point. The Soviets mobilized 35 million men and women, of which 26 million saw action. 8.8 million dead and 6 million wounded took a toll. However, the Soviets moved 2 million troops to the east in June-August 1945 and thrashed the Japanese army in less than a week. Not a country or army on its last legs, but definitely an innate demographic/gender problem for the Soviets. By 1958 the population ratio was normal again.
The Fins refused to attack Russia beyond their borders. And what did they get for this restraint, the Russians attacked the Fins and took a lot of terratory. If you get in a fight, don't hold back or play nice guy during a war.... Stupid Fins!
@stevenabb You're incorrect. Stalin recognized the Finns refusal to completely seal off Leningrad. In return, the Soviets took the territories they won in the Winter War but did not invade and occupy Finland. Even Marshall Mannerheim recognized the Soviet move as a begrudging thank you.
@toffanful - Respectfully, I would have to disagree a bit. Stalin had no pitty, grattitude or appriciation. Stalin could kill one million people and sleep like a baby at night. Russia did win the war but towards the end, they where utterly manpower exhausted. Along with the civilian deaths the military was running on empty when it came to finding raw recruits and not collapse the society in regards to labor. 26.6 million out of a population of 196 million.
@0willsy01 The overall situation was so complicated that it is hard to say for sure, but I think Hitler was a faily even factor in the outcome of the war. On the one hand his generals would have been much slower and timid on many occassions had it not been for Hitler. Much less ground would have been taken, for less risks would have been taken. On the other hand, Hitler's refusal to make strategic retreats was simply disasterous on more than one occassion, especially Stalingrad.
@0willsy01 Well yes, but it was Hitler's entire policy to have many experimental design groups working and competing with each other and well financed by the Reich. If it weren't for Hitler, none of those programs would have existed and there would have been rather stagnant and slow programs like in the U.S. and Britain.
@meProudToBeCaucasian Are you calling yourself a "faggot fuck off and die"? What the hell? Try to use one of the free online English translators and repost your comment with even a little punctuation and correct English so that I can read it. Sorry, I don't speak "fucktard jibberish."
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@meProudToBeCaucasian Not only are you a fucking stupid queer that needs to be hung from a wire fence, but you're too fuckign stupid to even put together a single fucking sentence. Piece of worthless shit.
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@meProudToBeCaucasian I don't know what the heck a "atlantic i beat you up" is or where it is located, otherwise I would come over it and smash some of your teeth down your throat. STUPID fuck.
@Bl4ckR0ck Really? Interesting that you vomit your hate against Germany, yet in Russia today, you have a very large number of neo-fascists!!! HAHAHA, Sieg Heil!
@Bl4ckR0ck cuz they didnt expect a terrible winter as the one in russia, in Europe winter starts from mid december and last to end of january or mid february but in russia winter starts in mid october if not from beginning of the same month to mid april and from april to june it rains alot which turns the land to mud, same as september
@Bl4ckR0ck Agreed. Without getting rid of the UK the war was really over then. No way they were beating Russia and no way of even touching the UK, let alone the US.
Rudel managed this "amazing" feat by panicking after losing the sight of his leader and dropping the bomb at random. Which was the only one to hit Marat, because the glorious Luftwaffe didn't have the guts to face Marat's anti-air and bombed the water instead.
May 8 some have recollected a small historical sequence of war, when the fascist air force is absolutely ordinary has erased a railway flight level with three thousand small children which one the have sent in an evacuation.
They are essentially crypto-religious-fascist-nazi-patriarchal-[insert random dictator here]ist, and they have quite a few supporters/members in the US Congress.
The day they care enough to read Mein Kampf they'll finally understand how stupid and suicidal is the very concept of one being a Russian neo-nazi ...
The difference between nationalsocialism (nazism) and fascism is that in nazism there is a very clear racial doctrine, which was not basicly in fascism. Here in the west we are clearly using the words nazism, fascism and communism to distinguish these totalitarian systems from each other.
In the former communistic countries they just did not use this word nationalsosialistic because that word sosialistic was politically troublesome.
Hans Ulrich Rudel was a remarkable man. Heroic, tough, devoted and above all he had insane skills: - 519 tanks - 1000 other vehicles - 150 various artillery pieces - 1 battleship - 2 cruisers - 1 destroyer - 70 landing craft - 11 aircraft (thus making him a double ace) That record is enough to show what that man is made of. He flew 2,530 combat missions was shot down over 30 times and escaped from Soviet capitivity during the one time he was ever captured. He is my hero.
He is no hero of mine. But let's give him and the Luftwaffe credit for skill, daring and guts. If the Allies hadn't pressed the bombing campaign so hard, those extra planes, men and guns would have destroyed the Soviet armored columns
Citizens would not be allowed to leave the city, they where needed to keep the city alive, and build trenches and defenses, and many that tried to escape either starved or frooze to death during their escape, or got captured by germans/russians and where considered spies
I dont get it, all the citizens of Leningrad had the opportunities to evacuate the city when the Rail Line was completed and all wouldve avoid being starved to death during the Siege and all that would remain would the Soldiers to carry on the fight and defending the city.
Respectfully, I agree with you to a point. The Soviets mobilized 35 million men and women, of which 26 million saw action. 8.8 million dead and 6 million wounded took a toll. However, the Soviets moved 2 million troops to the east in June-August 1945 and thrashed the Japanese army in less than a week. Not a country or army on its last legs, but definitely an innate demographic/gender problem for the Soviets. By 1958 the population ratio was normal again.
toffanful 1 week ago
The Fins refused to attack Russia beyond their borders. And what did they get for this restraint, the Russians attacked the Fins and took a lot of terratory. If you get in a fight, don't hold back or play nice guy during a war.... Stupid Fins!
stevenabb 3 months ago
@stevenabb You're incorrect. Stalin recognized the Finns refusal to completely seal off Leningrad. In return, the Soviets took the territories they won in the Winter War but did not invade and occupy Finland. Even Marshall Mannerheim recognized the Soviet move as a begrudging thank you.
toffanful 1 week ago
@toffanful - Respectfully, I would have to disagree a bit. Stalin had no pitty, grattitude or appriciation. Stalin could kill one million people and sleep like a baby at night. Russia did win the war but towards the end, they where utterly manpower exhausted. Along with the civilian deaths the military was running on empty when it came to finding raw recruits and not collapse the society in regards to labor. 26.6 million out of a population of 196 million.
stevenabb 1 week ago
can't anyone post a decent analyical comment;
read the Ballentine Book "the Seige of Lenningrad" gave me a good perspective although this video series is also well done
79pretzel 6 months ago
americans are all a bunch of racists, they would like to kill all russians like hitler
americans are all nazis
meProudToBeCaucasian 7 months ago
@0willsy01 The overall situation was so complicated that it is hard to say for sure, but I think Hitler was a faily even factor in the outcome of the war. On the one hand his generals would have been much slower and timid on many occassions had it not been for Hitler. Much less ground would have been taken, for less risks would have been taken. On the other hand, Hitler's refusal to make strategic retreats was simply disasterous on more than one occassion, especially Stalingrad.
Robert111 10 months ago
@0willsy01 Well yes, but it was Hitler's entire policy to have many experimental design groups working and competing with each other and well financed by the Reich. If it weren't for Hitler, none of those programs would have existed and there would have been rather stagnant and slow programs like in the U.S. and Britain.
Robert111 10 months ago
@0willsy01 Yup, including the technology and design for most all rocketry and aircraft.
Robert111 10 months ago
The Russians and the Jews should have to pay restitution to the veterans of Army Group North for the suffering they had to endure.
Robert111 11 months ago
@Robert111 are you fucking kidding me faggot fuck off and die
meProudToBeCaucasian 7 months ago
@meProudToBeCaucasian Are you calling yourself a "faggot fuck off and die"? What the hell? Try to use one of the free online English translators and repost your comment with even a little punctuation and correct English so that I can read it. Sorry, I don't speak "fucktard jibberish."
Robert111 7 months ago
@Robert111 youre gay and a fag
meProudToBeCaucasian 7 months ago
@meProudToBeCaucasian Take your queer shit to some gay forum, faggot. Making passes at random people isn't going to work. When you make passes at straight guys like me, you'll wind up hanging from a fence like your boy Matt Shepard. Fucking queer ass bitch.
Robert111 7 months ago
@Robert111 yo yo i am from jersey man
youre fucking gay if you want beat me you have to swim over all the atlantic
stupid idiot
meProudToBeCaucasian 7 months ago
@meProudToBeCaucasian Not only are you a fucking stupid queer that needs to be hung from a wire fence, but you're too fuckign stupid to even put together a single fucking sentence. Piece of worthless shit.
Robert111 7 months ago
@Robert111 u mad gayfish?
meProudToBeCaucasian 7 months ago
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Robert111 7 months ago
@Robert111 hahaha come over the atlantic i beat you up
meProudToBeCaucasian 7 months ago
@meProudToBeCaucasian I don't know what the heck a "atlantic i beat you up" is or where it is located, otherwise I would come over it and smash some of your teeth down your throat. STUPID fuck.
Robert111 7 months ago
@Robert111 youre an idiot then
meProudToBeCaucasian 7 months ago
@meProudToBeCaucasian Illiterate "short bus" fucktard.
Robert111 7 months ago
@meProudToBeCaucasian You can't even put together a 4-word sentence. Fucking trash.
Robert111 7 months ago
@Bl4ckR0ck Really? Interesting that you vomit your hate against Germany, yet in Russia today, you have a very large number of neo-fascists!!! HAHAHA, Sieg Heil!
jh12342 1 year ago
@Bl4ckR0ck cuz they didnt expect a terrible winter as the one in russia, in Europe winter starts from mid december and last to end of january or mid february but in russia winter starts in mid october if not from beginning of the same month to mid april and from april to june it rains alot which turns the land to mud, same as september
hazemvirus 1 year ago
@Bl4ckR0ck The Third Reich will rise again.
Robert111 1 year ago
@Bl4ckR0ck Agreed. Without getting rid of the UK the war was really over then. No way they were beating Russia and no way of even touching the UK, let alone the US.
chicago85bearz 1 year ago
@Bl4ckR0ck True. Hitler wasn't rational. His going against Russia was the worst move he could make.
LatestUFOSightings 1 year ago
I don't see these events as "horrifying excesses of cannibalism". Do not ask for whom the bell tolls...
tannenstein 1 year ago
If i were in their situation i am sure i would commit cannibalism, not only for myself but for the welfare of my family
alexander33345 1 year ago
@alexander33345 i'd rather die than eating a human remains!
hazemvirus 1 year ago
if the germans had warned or this, they would have done a lot of work to avoid it
lakas50 1 year ago
In Leningrad, during the siege, in case one asks if you're alive ... you should better answer quickly ...
fredhubner 2 years ago
Rudel managed this "amazing" feat by panicking after losing the sight of his leader and dropping the bomb at random. Which was the only one to hit Marat, because the glorious Luftwaffe didn't have the guts to face Marat's anti-air and bombed the water instead.
GhostOfTheSovietPast 2 years ago
So all those tanks, guns, planes, trucks and troops Rudel destroyed were by accident during his 2000 odd panic attacks?
jakefree25 2 years ago
Well, first you need to separate propaganda from his actual achievements. Which aren't that impressive.
GhostOfTheSovietPast 2 years ago
Heil Finland!
Ryyyyde 2 years ago
May 8 some have recollected a small historical sequence of war, when the fascist air force is absolutely ordinary has erased a railway flight level with three thousand small children which one the have sent in an evacuation.
Sergeyspb2009 2 years ago 2
Heh, it was actually you who first mentioned here that "fascism was completly crushed!"
Now you are asking me "do you really think fascism has been exterminated"?
Are you saying the fascism is rising again? Where and by whom?
You could a bit clarify yourself.
wovaapeli 2 years ago
Google 'C street mafia'
They are essentially crypto-religious-fascist-nazi-patriarchal-[insert random dictator here]ist, and they have quite a few supporters/members in the US Congress.
Jaidali 2 years ago
what?
jakefree25 2 years ago
Russian has well over a third of the world's neo nazi's.. Over 30 000 and their rapidly growing.
Poeskaas 2 years ago 2
The day they care enough to read Mein Kampf they'll finally understand how stupid and suicidal is the very concept of one being a Russian neo-nazi ...
fredhubner 2 years ago 4
@Poeskaas
Croatia has got a lot of neo nazis too...even in politics
i think its a typicall development for former members of socialist unions
that the people develop big nationalism...which is not far from fascism
DalmatinskiPartizan 1 year ago
The difference between nationalsocialism (nazism) and fascism is that in nazism there is a very clear racial doctrine, which was not basicly in fascism. Here in the west we are clearly using the words nazism, fascism and communism to distinguish these totalitarian systems from each other.
In the former communistic countries they just did not use this word nationalsosialistic because that word sosialistic was politically troublesome.
Please, read and study the history.
wovaapeli 2 years ago
Yeah, in 1940's the nationalsocialism was exterminated from Europe, facism in the 1970's (Franco etc.) and communism in the 1990's.
Now our continent is free from totalitarianism and dictatorship.
wovaapeli 2 years ago
@wovaapeli no it's not...big brother is rising..the eu openly announced project indect....chek it out, you're NOT gonna like it
nederwiet1 1 year ago
How can you say they sucked ass? They nearly took over Europe?
PanzerGrenadierLSSAH 3 years ago 7
@PanzerGrenadierLSSAH They DID take over Europe, they nearly took over the world.
Robert111 1 year ago
@Robert111 nah just Europe, North africa was to prevent the allies from taking italy and for fuel too
hazemvirus 1 year ago
@hazemvirus I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Robert111 1 year ago
Kewlios
lesmcluffalot 3 years ago
PanzerGrenadierLSSAH 3 years ago
He is no hero of mine. But let's give him and the Luftwaffe credit for skill, daring and guts. If the Allies hadn't pressed the bombing campaign so hard, those extra planes, men and guns would have destroyed the Soviet armored columns
jakefree25 2 years ago
Citizens would not be allowed to leave the city, they where needed to keep the city alive, and build trenches and defenses, and many that tried to escape either starved or frooze to death during their escape, or got captured by germans/russians and where considered spies
myzko 4 years ago 3
I dont get it, all the citizens of Leningrad had the opportunities to evacuate the city when the Rail Line was completed and all wouldve avoid being starved to death during the Siege and all that would remain would the Soldiers to carry on the fight and defending the city.
EvilFingers 4 years ago