Glenn Beck's Obama National Anthem [HQ] (anti health care)

[MrMcarra]

Long live to USSA ,

grettings from spain



[Mathenaut]

LOL I don't know what's more ridiculous or sad. This bit of shameless propaganda, or the people that endorse it.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

National healthcare is a ridiculous idea. If gigantic corporations can't profit from your suffering who's gonna buy your politicians?

[Halo4Lyf]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo Under a national healthcare system? It would be the government healthcare worker unions.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf

Given the choice between a profit-driven corporation having too much control of my health, and the people who provide the healthcare first-hand having too much control, I would choose the unions any day.

[Halo4Lyf]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo Then congratulations, you died from a massive, yet mundane and entirely preventable systemic infection in a dingy hallway in an NHS style hospital.

I'll take the corporate-run healthcare any day. Profit motive drove the development of the chemotherapy that kept my sorry ass alive long enough for the surgeons to get a handle on the colon cancer that was rapidly killing me. Now I'm totally healthy and have a shot at a real, active life now. Yay for greedy corporations!

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf

Are you for real?

First off, the 'systemic' infections you refer to are only even heard of because of the immediate reaction of the British public, myself included, to improve funding for the NHS. A reaction powered by our surprise that such a thing could happen in a system the British are proudest of.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf

Alternatively, you may well have been treated in your system. Meanwhile a person whose wage is so low for lack of bargaining power in his employment has a wage so low that he must choose between rent & food, or healthcare cannot afford basic treatment for his diabetes and ends up costing the state more money when the ambulance has to respond to his fatal and preventable heart attack.

[Halo4Lyf]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo Damn straight I'm for real. Are you? The British are mighty proud of the Royal Navy too, but well, look at the state of it?

Healthcare is a commodity, just like housing, just like food, just like clothing. America was founded by people fleeing intrusive government, and thus, I don't want a single Goddamn thing to do with a Federal health program of any sort. Iowa (my home state) has a public health insurance plan for the destitute and that is by far enough.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf

Healthcare is a commodity? Is our safety a commodity too? Shall we privatise the police force, or the fire brigade?

A government's role is to protect the wellbeing, freedoms and interests of those it serves. Hence why we have no problems with it running the military, police, fire dept. I submit that healthcare is simply less immediate.

There is an obvious conflict of interest in a system where the people charged with healing you have financial incentives in you needing to be healed.

[Halo4Lyf]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo In a few places around America, they have privatized their local fire departments. It works reasonably well, from what I've read on the subject. We also have private ambulance services (one of which I used not too long ago actually). But yes, healthcare is a commodity.

America's government was founded to maintain an environment in which liberty could thrive. It was NOT founded as a welfare state with a mandate to provide people with a certain standard of living.

[Halo4Lyf]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo On the subject of safety. In America, safety is the responsibility of the citizen first, government second (and actually not at all). Police are not required to protect people or even respond to cries for help. Several Supreme Court decisions have settled this: police in America are not legally required to do a damn thing.

I don't need the police anyway. I'm a big boy. Have my shotgun at home, my AR in my Ford, and the Beretta when I'm out in public.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf

Could you provide more info on those privatised fire dept.s? You've piqued my curiosity.

As for your other comments; I feel no need to respond to them.

[Halo4Lyf]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo The fire/rescue company is chartered by the municipality. They're required by state and local law to provide rescue services to anyone in need, but actual fire-fighting services are on a subscription basis. Pay the annual fee, they'll fight your fires. Don't and they don't. They'll stand by and watch your house burn, but they'll come after you if you happen to be in it.

It keeps overhead low and forces the department to actually budget.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf

Thank you.

I must point out you've said they are required by law to provide rescue services. Hence the obligation of maintaining your safety is still upheld by the state. The optional protection of property is where the line between rights and commodities has been drawn.

I do contest the notion that any significant amount of money can be saved by not attending particular fires, or your suggestion that completely public fire departments don't have to budget.

[Halo4Lyf]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo My contention is that any public entity, since it has a monopoly mandated by law (more often than not), it is not mindful of the resources it has at it's disposal because it hasn't earned those resources. Businesses in a free market have to provide satisfactory services or their customers (and revenue) will abandon them. Governments just tax or borrow more when they run out of cash.

It's why I like private healthcare. The cold hand of the market demands excellence.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf

I cannot agree with that. The options of socialist vs free-market is all about accountability. If one small business model does not provide the best service for the lowest cost there will always be room for a second that fulfills this, or at least gets closer. In this smale scale scenario accountability is almost instant and lassaiz faire capitalism is essentially flawless. Socialist accountability depends upon elections . . .

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf . . . If one political candidate offers to improve either the service provided or the tax rate better than their opponent it will win votes. The reason this is an option is because sometimes the monopoly of a service is unavoidable. A public police force is a far better delivery of service than several competing groups of small-time mercenaries. The latter would be incredibly chaotic and dangerous, saying nothing of their financial interest in maintaining high crime rates.

[Halo4Lyf]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo The Framers weren't fans of democracy, because they knew that it's downfall would come when the voters discovered they can vote themselves largess from the public coffers. It's why they wrote a Constitution that only empowered the Federal government to do 18 things, none of which involved providing anyone a standard of living.

We've strayed from that and we're paying for it, financially and socially.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf

Again I feel that I don't need to respond to your comment. You're making my case for me when you criticise democracy for enabling people to shape their own society.

As amazing as the work of the founders of the US were, they do not have the right to dictate the freedoms of people decades down the line in a world so different from their own. The loyalty the constitution deserves is derived from the wisdom held therein, not from the authority of the people writing it.

[Halo4Lyf]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo Democracy inevitably leads to tyranny of the majority. Always. History supports my claim. Thus I strongly dislike it. I feel liberty is best preserved by a republic of laws and the franchise should be limited.

You're right about the Framers, they can only really make suggestions beyond the grave. But I think the principles they laid down are eternal, and I will do everything in my power, including violence, to keep America on that path.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf

Violence in defence of those ideals is only justified with a consensus of peers. Recent events eliminate the need for me to explain what is wrong with one person acting alone in their beliefs.

I agree that democracy is flawed for many many reasons. It is dependant on an educated, reasonable and empathetic electorate. All three of these are signifiantly lacking in every democracy in the world.

What you are proposing is an enlightened dictatorship . . .

[Halo4Lyf]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo The American War for Independence was fought by three percent of the population, supported by maybe another 10 percent who did not take up arms. At the end of the war, there were more Americans fighting for the Crown than against it. Consensus is not required to validate political conflict. Remember, my country was founded in an act of rebellion.

I'm very much into the idea of an enlightened dictatorship. Because EVERY political system, aside from perfect anarchy, is a...

[Halo4Lyf]

@Halo4Lyf ... form of despotism, because it authorizes political power to one group or groups and denies it to another. Right now in America, we have the "dictatorship of people who managed to keep breathing for 18 years and not get convicted of a felony." I'm in favor of a system that selects for responsible voters. Colonial America used to do it in a number of ways: either requiring one own property or serve in the militia.

Personally, I think one should have to serve in order to vote.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf

weaker say in the rules of those communities.

When you say the government has no jurisdiction in certain areas, you are just expressing one opinion of many. If you are not willing to live by this "dictatorship of the many" you are welcome to leave, and deprive yourself of the benefits that come with it. Such as a fire department.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf

"was fought by three percent of the population, supported by maybe another 10"

That's a consensus. A military victory says nothing of the validity or authority of a political philosophy.

Your understanding of despotism is frankly poor. To say that an imperfect system engineered to meet the needs of as many people as possible and to overlook the fewest, is no better, if not worse than one that simply hopes for the competence of an arbitrary ruler is laughable.

[Halo4Lyf]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo I'm not advocating monarchy. What I'm advocating is timocracy. Specifically, I want the system described in Heinlein's Starship Troopers and Kratman's A Desert Called Peace series.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf

i always found the politics of Starship Troopers horribly hypocritical. It is clearly anti-communist and yet the political system seems to merely replace the responsibility to industry with a responsibility to the military.

Why not a responsibility to medicine or education? You could assert that only people who have taught the humanities or cured an ailment should get the vote. Again the decision requires that ppl agree on it. Every time the regress is to democracy as a default.

[Halo4Lyf]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo You've never actually read the book, have you? The Terran Federation never required military service. It was just "Federal Service." Heinlein later said that likely only about 5% of Federation citizens had military experience. The point was that it was a system that self-selected for the traits needed in a responsible voter. In my opinion, it would work.

And no, it is not required that people agree on it. Read how the Federation system came about.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf

We really need to address the issue of rights. What do people have a right to? The fundamental principle of rights is self-determination. In a community of individuals you must sacrifice the freedom to butcher other members if you want to benefit from the products of co-operation. Thankfully, most people are happy to give up that freedom based on the fact that their morality would forbid them anyway. To be part of larger and larger communities we must subit to having a weaker and. . .

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf . . . where a particular person, group or set of principles governs the people. The problem here is the same, it depends on the intelligence, rationality and morality of the governing body. While it would undoubtably lead to a more efficient fulfillment of policy, there is no discernable difference between it and a run-of-the-mill dictatorship.

Ultimately, if you are willing to resort to violence to impose your ideals on your peers, you are branding yourself a despot.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@Halo4Lyf

On the subject of the Navy, I may not be entirely qualified to represent British opinion being an immigrant. Nonetheless I am confident in saying the pride is reserved for the servicemen and not the equipment.

[Halo4Lyf]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo And another thing; that destitute diabetic? He doesn't have to choose between rent and food, because his apartment is subsidized by the city he lives in, or by the HUD program called Section 8. Nor does he pay for food because of food stamps, which of course he spends on booze, smokes, and junk food because he knows the card will never run dry.

And his healthcare costs are paid for by the Medicaid program, which is already bankrupting us. Fuck, do we coddle the poor or what?

[megakila14]

what the fuck is wrong with free health care

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@megakila14

because it's *ghost voice* Cooooomuniiiiist 

[Halo4Lyf]

@megakila14 Because there is no such thing as "free" health care, just a difference in who pays.

[nonsenseical]

wow... why the fuck did i click on this? Looks like the bull shit Glen Beck does in his free time. Way to be mature

[bummer2000]

why shouldn't the US leader be more famous than Lisdey, and do people really need M16 in this country, you can vote you know.

[volumetwoholiday]

@bummer2000 by reading the second ammendment in full it isnt talking about hunting its talking about stopping tyranny and just cuz obama says he will do something doesnt mean he will he talks the talk but has trppled the nat'l debt (spending more money than the previous 43 president COMBINED) he also said all troops would be outta iraq by august guess they are real fast packers in the army!

[bummer2000]

@volumetwoholiday I agree with you on most points above (excpet the debt thing), Obama is a let down and not fundamentally different in anyway than other american presidents. I just don't think these criticisms are meaningful or based on track record, and to call him a socialist or nazi is a willful distortion.

[Campid1]

This is so ridiculous it's funny!!!!

[simpleboy123456]

I am from canada and yes we have healthcare just like the one you all are about to be pushed into and i broke my arm and got put on a waiting list for 8 months and when i finally got medical attention I was forced to have my arm amputated so I beg of you americans please do not DESTROY your beautiful country fight back the constitution was written by the people for the people YOU are the PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!

[ReadmanJ]

@simpleboy123456 fuck of you lying piece of shit, prove it oh wait thats right your full of shit, idiot

[abqpolo]

My Russian friends can't believe that we are now more socialist than Russia! They see it. Why can't most Americans see it?

[carlyonbeachfire]

Blown out of proportion. We have alot of things that are socialized in this country and we are not Mother Russia. Just extremist taking it to the extreme.

[tjttzcspplt]

Speak for yourself, comrade.

[nehater]

I wish the only thing we had to complain about was his skin color.....that's so minor when compared to his ideology.

[davidlee110]

SOVIET AMERICA IS BORN!

[TheSammy58]

wow obama, this is how desperate he is to have people like him

[rusty2b]

Employer owned Employee health insurance arrangement must go. Encouraging dependence on employers causes massive grief during an economic downturn, massive layoffs = massive health insurance loss.

It is telling that our politicians and news organization are quiet on this subject.

Encourage individuals to own their own health care policies. Enabling insurance premium payments to be made from the "Health Reimbursement Account" is a must.

[omgteetman]

i support obama because it makes republicans angry

[carlyonbeachfire]

word

[SuperOldrocker]

Goodbye America, hello Amerika

[fenzo53]

I love how if white people don't support Obama then there considered racists.

[colliertng]

"Well All I Have To Say Is This: "Hey America, How's That 'Hope & Change' Working Out?" :-))))))"

[Dormauri]

Racism all arround...

[colliertng]

Well All I Have To Say Is This: "Hey America, How's That 'Hope & Change' Working Out?" :-))))))

[Gr33kChief]

o america when will we work on our country instead of wasting a that time with flash players making vids like this cause they think a republican is better, only if u knew guys it doesnt matter whos president, all presdients are scums and have inter relations with company's and the federal reserve which has u all by the balls

[Gr33kChief]

i voted for obama, so i can bitch now, i voted so i can talk, i dont hink obama can change america in fact a president has no power over changing American, there for if a repuplican got in office im sure reps would be in the cult like image u have made here,

if mccain would have won then we wouldnt have all this stuff calling repuclicans cult followers for voted for him, just remember we dont pick our candidates, a comity picks these people for us, we have no control as to who be president

[jimb1957]

The video is telling the truth. Now there's a going reason I switched parties from Democrat to Republican.

[bluevoltaire]

You are a dumbass. Democrats and Republicans are the same exact shit.

Give us a Third Party. Fuck both Democrats and Republicans. You brainwashed piece of crap.

Barack Obama = George W Bush

[DEATHBYSOCIALIST]

@jimb1957 i am confused how are the two any different. so pretty much u went from shit 2 shit, do u seriously think the republicans are voting against the HC bill because they care about you, they say its un constitution , that is true, but isn't the patriot act as much unconstitutional as the HC bill. btw this whole hc bill thing is a distraction, its all entertainment.

[mtm105]

video is on the fu$%ing $! Libs go pointing fingers at neo-cons and labeling the Fascists. Shoe is on the other foot and they cry "Foul!"

[248gian]

what are you all thinking

[traygen123]

i fucking love obama

[ROCKonXLR]

@traygen123 fuck you you democratic douche bag.

[TheSammy58]

i hate this video a lot!

[jo461993]

you stupid americans can put some rules on your guns and pay your doctors the same and more people will live why the fuck not

[ROCKonXLR]

@jo461993 because it's against the bill of rights that we celebrate AS AMERICANS YOU DOUCHE! DON'T FREAKIN CRITICIZE US ON OUR MISTAKES OR OUR CORRUPT GOVERNMENT! NO NATION IS PERFECT, OTHERWISE EVERYONE WOULD COME AND LIVE THERE.

[nick23900]

very funny but we need to spend more time stopping the health care bill( :

[AmberHahn98]

Obama sucks

[PsychosocialSam]

Hes better than the last douche.

[ReadmanJ]

@AmberHahn98 so does your mom, oh snap

[weneedheroesnow]

@ReadmanJ You really suck.You have an "Mental Disorder".

[ReadmanJ]

@weneedheroesnow ooooh some person over the internet I've never met or seen told me I have a mental disorder im soo sad. get a grip douchenozzle.

[weneedheroesnow]

@ReadmanJ Calling Dr. Michael Savage. We have a another one who has the Mental Disorder.Liberalism can be cured. It starts with the REAL not distorted truth.

[ReadmanJ]

@weneedheroesnow Sorry dude the only distortions are the ones perpetrated by Fake Fox News, aka the Communications Arms of the G.O.P, thanks for coming out though. Epic Fail.

[weneedheroesnow]

@ReadmanJ You know what you and the rest of your kind can have ABC,NBC, CBS,CNN,&MSNBC. to tell you all their distorted story since you have been convinced by them that FOXNEWS is so Republican.Tell me this must all stories be one-sided all the time. Ever heard of "Theres always 2 sides of all story."Apparently you forgot that huh.How about this to start of. I like the Yankees you like the Red Sox.That makes me a bad guy? We all have different view points.I disagree with Obama's policies.

[ofcccaddy2004]

@Readman so msnbc, cnn, media matters, moveon, are not biased? take your liberal double talk somewhere else you coward. go back to protesting arizonas illegal immigration law

[ReadmanJ]

@ofcccaddy2004 All of those you listed are actual news reporting and or media outlet organisations, as opposed to Fox which masquerades itself as news but is really just an outlet so Conservatives can blame Democrats. So no, it isn't a double-standard "liberal" or otherwise.

[ofcccaddy2004]

@ReadmanJ so you're going to sit there and tell me media matters is a fair website? false.

[kyubii2244]

This is pretty much what its like for the liberals in office right now...

[kyubii2244]

This is pretty much it with the liberals in office right now...

[kaykaystafford]

Do yall really not see what is going on? One World Government talk, Chips that hold all of your identity that only go into your hand, poverty, natural disasters so frequent, war, famine? Ring a bell? Yall should read up on the bible because its coming and I know I sound like a batty person to some of yall but it says clearly to be aware of what is going on. Remember this.

[poesuicide]

OH NO THE APOCALYPSE IS COMING ROFL

[DCAMM720]

Before the election this is how everyone i know was...and some still are. This vid is truth.

[LEOPARDGECKOWNER]

wow ,dont discriminate the Russian anthem

[xXMistressOfWinterXx]

Song is tottaly the truth...lol

[TruthSearcher123]

wow who would've thought that Glenn Beck could've gotten stupider and even more obnoxious?

[annglamgal]

Is it any wonder almost HALF of the doctors polled said they would QUIT under Obamascare??? He and his minions want to control EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES!!!

[DEATHBYSOCIALIST]

@annglamgal lets not forget bush did 2, thats right cause obama and bush r on the same side, palin is with obama as well, this is entertainment.

[GriffenMorivan]

ololo Anti-socialism, and yet we already pay for schools and local police and fire fighters. All things socialist.

As for universal health care, it's obvious that you're not paying attention. Yes, Obama is not a perfect leader. In fact, McCain was just as bad as Obama. Hell, they both sucked. But a public option WOULD help people who are honestly trying to make a living but can't afford health care. My wife can't get insurance because she has endometriosis since she was 13.

[CorbeauBlanc]

what about improving (that is stimulating) the insurance system, or going as far as forcing everyone to have ensurance (that is employed people) ?

i dont like this anyway, but it would be some compromise

[GriffenMorivan]

Stimulating typically means pouring money into. The private insurance agencies already HAVE a ton of money. A national health program works. The guy who posted below me, MrCRM114, perfect example. It's just that those on the right are easily led by a fist full of fat, rich slobs who happen to have more money than morals. And the left are too nutless to speak up against them in any meaningful manner.

[CorbeauBlanc]

Okay I see your point.

I don't know much about the matter. It seems however that the free market should provide a solution.

[awesomegamingwiki]

Please go to our site linked in the description for more about health care.

[MrCRM114]

I live in the UK in a small town in Cheshire(pop.9,000) .

My local surgery has nine doctors and I can usually see a doctor the same day.

I had a heart attack, ambulance within 15 minutes, latest clot busting drugs, ECGs etc., my own nurse for three days (sat by my bed!).

I slipped in the kitchen, severed my cruciate ligament, ambulance 15 minutes, surgery 3 days.

My bill? It's free for everybody over here and our system costs less than yours.

I feel sorry for 47 million Americans.

[anonymous88886573]

cool. g beck is nice.

[CorbeauBlanc]

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch

[MrCRM114]

It's not free - all Brits pay 8% of their pay for the NHS.

[MrCRM114]

Perhaps you would be kind enough to help me.

I have no idea how much your insurance companies charge each year.

Could you post this?

Thanks.

[Shaihulud789]

@MrCRM114 This is not the norm in the UK, a great many of your government run hospitals have sub par equipment because they receive cents to the dollars they spend from your precious government. The Wall Street Journal published an article in which a manager of a private hospital was approached by a local public hospital asking for access to their more modern equipment because your government had failed to provide it for them.

[colliertng]

Shaihulud789, If you are going to say that "The Wall Street Journal published an article" maybe You should state the Date & Page Number of the Article! If Heard that Line so many time that if I had a Nickel for everytime that I've heard that; I'd be richer than Bill Gates! :-)))))

[nextdrink45]

Now that is EFFIN' FUNNY!!!! But it's a very scary thought!!!

[thejimmyzshow]

FABULOUS.