Zeitgeist Debunked? Don't Make Me Laugh! (Part 3)

[fakeham]

Let me guess, you haven't been paid yet....

[ChelevSaRa]

Cool. Glad you're up for taking the reigns on this matter, while I branch off into other areas. I gotta bring more attention to the Venus Project! I hate working for the corporatocracy!! My check is being taxed and money I make is going to the government, and who knows what the fuck they're spending it on!

[ChelevSaRa]

It's just a video I stumbled over on YouTube that proves "Isis-Mry" appears in glyphs. It's the last link in the description box. I made sure to check it through translation sources also posted in the description box. They agree. Isis was certainly beloved, which means she was definitely also called "Mry." An Egyptologist even mentions that "Mry" means beloved in the first or second episode of History channel's "Digging for the Truth."

[wavepsychic]

Now to be fair & open minded in my search for knowledge & wisdom I watched "Zeitgeist Debunked". The kid on there was a very good speaker I'll give him that & went over all the claims made in Zeitgeist the Movie. Informing us about elaborate myths & stories surrounding other gods from other religious. They all sound just as stupid as the Jesus story to me. However the point is HE DIDN'T SHOW ANYTHING HISTORIC SUCH AS HIEROGLYPHS! He merely talked the whole time claiming lack of evidence.

[1877theflip]

Once again. . . I ask all the deniers of zeitgeist what about the other ideas presented in the movie?

[suroj]

They only payed the attention to the small bit about Jesus...

[thegamefanman]

FAIL

no 'zeitgeist debunked' video claims this..ur grasping at straws..i think u need to make this video series so your master most grand mason will enter you from behind and allow a better demonic entity into you, tool.

[ChelevSaRa]

I have heard every single "debunker" I've seen claim that [there's no reference to Isis-mry.]

[Maikkeru]

what you said is completely irrelevant. to bad that you would fall back on insulting the person that you are trying to prove wrong rather then trying to have a conversation with him.

[afterexile]

thegamefanman you are a idiot and read what you post next time before hitting the [Post Comment] button. You "FAIL" kid.

[fartagent]

All religions are fairytail B.S. Alla,budda,satanist,christain,­whos next after this age is up and we enter a new age? I say we pray to alice in wonderland.

[Maikkeru]

I think that you may not want to believe it but Siddhartha Gautama or "Buddha" was a real person. If you find out otherwise please tell me. I am a Buddhist. So if you find out new information on my religion then by all means please inform me.

PS. Just information in the reply please. We are all mature enough to respect each other.

[Amarx00]

@ChelevSaRa

Your a pure zeithead bullshitter!!!!

For I know there is at least £1000 up for grabs for anyone who can prove zeitgeist's allegations, so why are you just posting some dumb ass video here rather than claiming your prize money?!?!?!?

[ChelevSaRa]

The challenge is about proving the parallels and their connections, which would cost way more than a $1000, considering all the travel and resources necessary for such an in depth task.

These videos are not so much intended to prove the connections, but more to show the case is open for debate. In other words, Zeitgeist Part 1 has not actually been debunked. It's charlatan to say it has.

[Amarx00]

@ChelevSaRa

That is one of the single most lamest excuses for having no evidence to backup ones argument I have ever heard im my LIFE!

"would cost way more than a $1000, considering all the travel and resources necessary for such an in depth task."

In other words you need to go FIND the evidence... LMAO, how conveinient!

Not to mention at least your own presentation of this, which is biased & facetful... I get it u think your smart, but were not all dumb

No, dont make me laugh!

[ChelevSaRa]

Wow. Way to misrepresent me.

I already told you the purpose of this series is simply to show Zeitgeist hasn't been debunked. I've actually provided EVIDENCE of this. What I haven't provided is PROOF that every single detail of Zeitgeist Part 1 is true. THAT requires HUGE expenses, vaccinations, and a LOT of travel. I can show you , pictures, video and scholarly references. What I can't do is personally film the interior of an ancient pyramid, and translate it word for word.

[Amarx00]

I would be willing to bet anything your a Satanist, im finding an ever increasing number on yt pretending to be Atheist

[ChelevSaRa]

Now you're just being childish.

[Amarx00]

Wow, looking over your channel I see you've faved the 'Venus project', 'The Transformation of Sä·tän'....

You share your beleif system with Masons & Satanists (same thing) would you like the population reduction thing as well... wait! Of course you do, because what they fail to say about the Venus project is that this happens AFTER they have slaughtered %80 of the worlds population... your a good shrill

[ChelevSaRa]

No, I don't want population reduction. The entire human population can fit into the state of Texas. There's no population problem - at least not in context of the overall planet. There are overpopulated cities, so maybe those people should move to less populated cities. You're misrepresenting the Venus Project.

[ChelevSaRa]

And saying that Masons and Satanists are the same thing is incorrect, and since I'm a nonspiritual atheist, there's a lot of beliefs I don't have in common with the Freemasons, as they are a spiritual rotary club.

[ChelevSaRa]

In conclusion, Amarx00, you have proven dishonest and close minded, and I don't want to hear from you again. YouTube has provided me an option to block users. I'm going to do that to you.

[EggMan15]

Hold on there did  you just say that Freemasons aren't devil worshipers?

[ChelevSaRa]

I'm sure there are those who are, but Freemasons are a club that accept members of all religions. It is not strictly a devil worship club, despite some of the accusations you may hear. Don't take my word for it. Research for yourself. That doesn't mean go see what Alex Jones says about them. You might try their official website for information on the not so secret society.

[rosmer00]

dudde, u r pathetic, "satanist"? btw, the word satan comes from the hebrew pronounced

"sah - tahn" and simply means the oposer/the adversary, very convenient, after all in every story has to be a good and a bad guy. as u can see isnt even a name just an adjective , so even those who call themselves "satanists" r simply oposer /adversarys , a revolution may be as well called "satanist" , they r going against the established system.

keep ur bullshit to urself would ya?

[pinkky84]

YOU CANNOT COMPARE ENGLISH TRANSLATION!

In my language, Mary is Marija, with accent on first "a", not on "i". And it is not similar to "mree". You cannot compare english version "Mary" with "Mree", and are you sure that you can read it right? God knows how ancient egiptians read it...

Maybe I got this wrong, but didn't you say that "mree" means beloved? so "mree" is NOT A NAME! And Miriam (Merjem or however you want it) is not only very different but it is a COMMON NAME AT THAT TIME!

[ChelevSaRa]

The main point here was that there is in fact reference to "Isis-mry" in the glyphs. I was just poking holes in the arguments of the "refuters." The point being that if such holes can be punched in the "refuter" arguments - maybe they shouldn't be going around saying they've debunked Zeitgeist Part 1. The information seems to be up for debate as opposed to actually being debunked. This isn't about proving the connections. It's simply showing the details are not debunked.

[TheoJbird]

don't forget a lot of English comes from Latin and Greek and at this time the ancient Roman empire controlled land from north England to the middle east...

[gtg309v]

Excuse me for interpretting your use of the word "directly" as meaning directly from Egyptian to English. And I'm not going to bite the strawman bait and go off on that pointless tangent.

[gtg309v]

My position is that Mr-ee doesn't link Isis to the virgin Mary since the Bible wasn't originally written in English. Avoiding the fact that the New Testament was originally written in Greek will not help your position.

[gtg309v]

How are you using Mr-ee to connect Isis and the virgin Mary if Mr-ee is directly translated to the English name Mary? You do realize that the Bible wasn't originally written in English don't you?

[gtg309v]

You apparently know nothing about Mary deriving from Miriam (Hebrew: מִרְיָם, Modern Miryam Tiberian Miryām ; meaning either wished for child, bitterness, rebellious, etc.

Why someone would even attempt to link the pronunciation of Mr-ee and Mary together is a self defeating point since Mary is the ENGLISH translation... duh

[gtg309v]

Mr-ee isn't Mary lol... Mary didn't come from Mr-ee. Fail.

[Hercules2345]

Here's the deal Veritas ... When one cannot use a photo due to copy-right issues the only way around it is to provide a drawing instead. It can even look just like it.

That's why you see so many drawings of so many images of hieroglyphs or what have you. They can provide the source citation of where one may find the original on their own but that's about it.

[nebulajr]

Ruddip,

What did Jesus do for Christianity?

What is the Law?

Why does Paul contradict what Jesus says in the Bible?

Was Jesus a Jew or a Christian?

[nebulajr]

Virgin was not "young woman" That is a proven mistranslation done by rome in the Dark Ages. almah is a "young woman" and was translated to "virgin" . Betulah is the word for virgin in hebrew. The Tanakh was plagarized and purposefully mistranslated to fit Rome's anti-semitic agenda.

[ruddip]

WHO are these 'so-called' refuters? The bottom line.... egyptians from back in the pharoah days 'plagiarized'/incorporated the whole history involving Christ and God. Whether it was intentional or not they did. I've no doubt that Satan had a hand in all this in order to create confusion down the line.

[nebulajr]

Are you kidding? Dude you're dillusional. How can this be possible? Do you realize the word satan means "adversary"? Anytime teh word Satan is used in the Bible, it is used as adversary. Take your Polytheism and read some books for crying out loud!!!!!

[ruddip]

how about..THE DEVIL? as for reading books...i get my source straight from the BIBLE. try reading it sometime. and don't reply with some watered down reply about how you've already read it. no cop outs. ACTUALLY READ it. too many events that have come to pass have been foretold in the Bible. time and time again. do some REAL research and don't rely on atheistic or paganist sources just like the creators of zeitgeist. NUFF SAID.

[nebulajr]

Do you realize the Devil and Satan are two different things? If YOU would spend more time reading your Bible instead of thumping it, you would learn a lot about the counterfeit religion you subscribe to.

[ruddip]

nebulajr=PWNED!

[nebulajr]

You sure are a legend in your own shower! When you get older, you will realize how misinformed you are.

[MisterBoswell]

"egyptians from back in the pharoah days 'plagiarized'/incorporated the whole history involving Christ and God."

Impossible. "back in the pharoah days" as you put it, covers a time period going back at least 5000 years. Christianity didn't exist earlier than 2000 years ago. You are saying that the pharoah's culture plagiarized/incorporated the whole history of something that was not history at the time, and would not be history for another 3000 years. Unless they had a time machine, you=fail.

[MisterBoswell]

If anything, it was vice-versa, since even the bible admits that the hebrews/jews were in Egypt during these "pharoah days". Over 4 centuries they were allegedy in Egypt, and so they had plenty of time to be imersed in the culture and plagiarize it, like with the story of Joseph, which was also incorporated into the Jesus story[12 brothers=12 disciples, etc., etc., etc.]. Even bible chronology puts Joseph about 2 millenia before Jesus. So who is a copycat of who?

[ruddip]

do your research my friend. egyptians and pharoahs were still around during times of Christ. or were you not aware?

[MisterBoswell]

Read a post before responding my friend. No one ever said the pharoahs weren't still around during the "times of christ". So was the story of Osiris. So was the story of Horus. Etc., etc. This does not change the fact that they were also around thousands of years BEFORE that time and thus could not plagiarize a culture that did not yet exist. Just because I am still around today doesn't mean I wasn't around 10 or even 20 years ago, so your logic if flawed. As well as your historical chronology.

[MisterBoswell]

Following from the preceding analogy, if I wrote something original down 20 years ago, and it's still available to read today, and then a little kid comes along and writes the exact same thing, it is impossible to conclude that I plagiarized him. Even though we are both still around in the same time- today, it does we were around at the same time 20 years ago. I was. The kid was not. There's no way I copied him, the logical conclusion is that HE copied ME.

[MisterBoswell]

And so it is with Egyptian culture and most every Mediterranean culture that proceeded it which they conquered. All of them incorporated things from the cultures that followed, from Egypt to Babylon to Persia to Greece to Rome, etc. And their religions are no exception.

[MisterBoswell]

Sorry, that may seem a little unclear who the "they" is who conquered. It's not Egypt, I meant that each culture conquered[and incorporated] the culture that preceded it.

[ruddip]

HOGWASH! In the Bible it's been written about how in the days before the end there would be many who come to discredit God's word. Just like many other events that have been foretold in the Bible that have been proven/verified. you can't deny those facts unless you would seek to twist God's Word.

[MisterBoswell]

This is off topic. I never mentioned anything about bible prophecy or end times or whatever, I am talking about ancient Egyptian times, which is not hogwash at all, it history and it's fact. If you honestly believe christianity preceeded egyptian culture or the stories of Osiris-Horus etc., then the burden of proof is on you. But as I said, even you bible gives a chronology that places the height of Egyptian culture about 2 millenia before 'Jesus'.

[MisterBoswell]

But since you want to play the prophecy car, I'll humor you. All of those "end times/last days" prophecies are blatantly, irrefutably, and entirely about the Jewish wars of the first century and it's climax at the destruction of the Jerusalem temple & palestine province in A.D. 70. Just reading the writings of Josephus makes this abundantly clear. You would do well to research "preterism".

[MisterBoswell]

The only problem is, since even biblical scholars admit that the gospels & Revelation were all written AFTER A.D. 70, so the "prophecies" were no prediction at all, but a recollection.

You are very misinformed & under researched[true to form for a christian].

You have been utterly refuted. I have spoken.

[Randomicity912]

Actually scholars admit that the gospels and revelation were written BEFORE 70 AD. Holy shit you need to do some research.

[nebulajr]

64 AD

[MisterBoswell]

Actually scholars admit that the gospels and revelation were written AFTER 70 AD. Holy shit you need to do some research.

[Randomicity912]

Actually, scholars admit that the gospel and revelation were written BEFORE 70 AD. Holy shit, you need to do some research.

[MisterBoswell]

Nope. The earliest mention of any of the gospels is in the second the second century. Attempts to place their date prior A.D. 70 is pure speculation coming from a presuppositional bias to making it seem the bible actually predicted something. There is absolutely NO evidence for as early a date as you propose. It is based entirely on circular reasoning, as though it's "when where the gospels written?"

"Oh...well, uh, when was the temple destroyed?"

"A.D. 70"

"Then they written before that."

[Randomicity912]

Haha! You have no clue do you? Maybe you should actually read what New Testament scholars have to say before dismissing their arguments with a hand wave. Although, not that I'd expect you to. Fundies don't like evidence that contradicts their position.

[MisterBoswell]

I have read it. They say the earliest mention of any of the gospels is in the second century.

You do well at telling someone to just read something, and then never specifying what books or links.

[Randomicity912]

You clearly have never read anything regarding the New Testament. You do well at bragging how "scholars say" yet never name them. Not that you actually need. I bet they are just fringe authors who propound crackpot theories that go against all the evidence. Just like 100% of Zeitgeist's sources. Besides, I'd imagine you'd find some excuse not to check whatever sources I bought up.

[MisterBoswell]

Why not? Because the burden of proof is on you for going against the mainstream of established history.

I've read plenty on the New Testament.

Fine, google the letters of the Lyon church, Ireneaus, Ignatius Bishop of Antioch & gospel, google ANYTHING on Osiris or Horus and find out the dates for their stories & hieroglyphs.

[Randomicity912]

You may used to such intellectual garbage as Google, however, I prefer more scholarly means of research aka going to a library, asking scholars etc. The burden of proof is on you for going against the mainstream of established history.

"I've read plenty on the New Testament."

Oh really? Scholarly works or just crackpots such as yourself?

[MisterBoswell]

You can find scholars' works ON google. Or link to libraries' websites ON google, which you know, but just want to cloud the issue so that you can bury your head in the sand and remain "willingly ignorant". The burden of proof is on you for going against the mainstream of established history.

Yep. Scholars. Try Donald Guthrie for starters. You read any? Or just crackpots works like 'Evidence That Demands or Verdict'? Or instead just rehash what your preacher told you on Sunday?

[Randomicity912]

"You can find scholars' works ON google".

True, but that's like trying to find diamonds in piles of shit, which you know, but just want to cloud the issue so that you can bury your head in the sand and remain "willingly ignorant". I prefer options were the chances of finding scholarly are greater than 1 in 10 to the power of 65. The burden of proof is on you for going against the mainstream of established history.

[MisterBoswell]

"True, but that's like trying to find diamonds in piles of shit"

So basically you're bitching that you aren't going to look because you're too lazy. Or at least too lazy to learn how to use google properly. Just put your search phrase in quotions. I already gave you a launching point. Start with Donald Guthrie. Or if you want older ones, try maybe F.C. Bauer.

You want entire books, try Scribd, or torrent sites like isohut, limewire, or piratebay. I can't hold your hand the whole way.

[Randomicity912]

Yeah because walking over a mile to my local library makes me lazy. Travelling over 12 miles to my local college library makes me lazy. Damn, if only I had enough motivation to turn on my PC.

[MisterBoswell]

"whatever sources I bought up"...

Such as...?

[Randomicity912]

Okay: -

Stephen L. Harris

Marcus J. Borg

JP Moreland

Ben Witherington III

Michael R. Licona

Gary Habermas

[MisterBoswell]

See there, now that's more like it. I'm gonna google, yes google, some of these guys and see if I can't find some of their works/books to download.

Well, I guess this means I'll get back to you later.

[MisterBoswell]

...oh, and btw,

The burden of proof is on you for going against the mainstream of established history.

[Randomicity912]

Actually it is on you for going against the entirety of history and scholarship.

[Randomicity912]

Well done. I think you are the first crackp- I mean Christ Myther to actually go and check out some scholarly sources. Most just tend make up bullshit excuses to not bother, kudos.

[Hercules2345]

Excellent list of Christian apologists there who's main goal in life is to shore up the xian faith at all costs.

"People, myself included, tend to distort things to agree with their own predilections, and nowhere is this more obvious or dangerous, than in representing Jesus' views"

- Christian scholar Dr. James Porter Moreland

Moreland, "WWJTD"

[Randomicity912]

Thanks for proving my point. =] You can't find any problems with their work so you resort to personal attacks. Thanks again for proving your monumental illiteracy in biblical scholarship.

[ChelevSaRa]

I'll follow up on what you're saying, Hercules...

To quote a Christian friend of mine, "We have a responsibility not to shy away." "We're to have an answer for everyone regarding the hope that is in us."

They shape everything in their favor to the point of deceit. Their religion requires it of them.

[Hercules2345]

Those last two comments of mine were suppose to be replies to Randomicity912 - youtube doesn't always work correctly.

But I thought you'd appreciate this one too...

"As professor of Judaic and Religion Studies at Brown University Dr. Shaye Cohen remarks,

"Modern scholars have routinely reinvented Jesus or have routinely rediscovered in Jesus that which they want to find..."

("From Jesus to Christ")

- "Skeptic Mangles ZEITGEIST"

stellarhousepublishing. com /skeptic-zeitgeist. html

; )

[VeritasLand]

Hello mr. Hercules, I did visit that link you provided (5 days ago) and there is a figure that quite bothers me because I cannot find it directly taken from the Egyptian glyphs (meaning no drawings). So just incase you know, can you please provide a link, or some source that shows the depiction of :

"Horus enthroned before the Twelve,

Seventh Hour of the Amduat.

(Hornung, The Ancient Egyptian Books of the Afterlife, 48)"

I saw the illustration on the book, but then again, a DRAWING.

[VeritasLand]

To be much more clearer, I dont want illustrations of drawings, I want the actual photo of what lady Acharya talks about.

btw, That article was more of a sales pitch than anything enlightening.

[Hercules2345]

VeritasLand "I want the actual photo of what lady Acharya talks about."

That's not reality as there are copy-right issues to deal with. You've never tried to write a book before have you. You can't just steal photos - if one could she would have several hundred photos. It would add to the price of the book making it a $200 - $400 book that nobody would read because nobody could afford it due to copy-right issues.

[VeritasLand]

No I have never tried writting a book before, thank you very much, and I dont intend to steal any photos either. Basically I am a broke casual learner, that cant finance a trip to Egypt to have a tour within "the secret chambers" (perhaps). Dont we all deserve to know the actual depictions in that tomb? I've researched extensively all the input of "the amduat" on the internet, but its all illustrations.

[VeritasLand]

I dont have anything against the authors (Acharya and Hornung), its simply a desire to see those color/live images of what they are talking about. I love to see when Acharya shows you the actual depictions of Horus in the tombs, the sun-disk, and many other topics of interest that just enriches learning. I would want the same for that particular argument she makes ( Horus enthroned before the Twelve, 7th hour of Amduat). Im hoping she would have access to those tombs and SHARE real images

[Hercules2345]

I & many others are with you on that V - she does have over 60 pics in the book. And probably that many in each of her other books too (except WWJ). The citations for further research are there & that's as good as it gets. She provides real photos when & where possible in accordance with copy-right law.

A documentary w/Acharya would be grand - contact Discovery, National Geographic etc & tell them to contact Acharya & get busy...chop, chop

[ChelevSaRa]

To follow up on what Hercules is saying about the copyrights, if you look up Zahi Hawass you might get some more insight into this matter. I seem to recall him being concerned about people copying stories and structure designs. He doesn't want history to get mucked up or something. If people 2000 years from now find the Spinx in Vegas, they might think Egyptians migrated and built casinos or something.

[Hercules2345]

I appreciate the skepticism but at a point it becomes irrational.

Okay, let the spoon-feeding begin. First of all Hornung is a HIGHLY RESPECTED EGYPTOLOGIST and if you read Hornung's book he tells you.

Also, it's explained in "Christ in Egypt" starting on page 269. It comes from an ancient Egyptian book titled "The Book of Amduat" which is found in several places throughout Egypt and many tombs. Read "Christ in Egypt" for more details. The source & reference citation is meticulous.

[MisterBoswell]

Same goes for Revelation, it isn't mentioned until the later part of the second century, and even then Iraneus alleges that it was written in the later part of Domitian's reign, placing it decades AFTER A.D. 70.

So no go. You fail.

[Randomicity912]

Wrong again. The latest date for the latest Gospel (John) ever was 96AD. Now scholars think they could have been written earlier. Ah I see what is going on. You are so desperate to try and prove Christianity wrong you're just regurgitating the bullshit claims of fringe authors with no sources and/or relevant qualifications.

[MisterBoswell]

Wrong. The earliest reference to any of the gospels was by the Ignatius in 110 A.D. and that was part of the gospel of Matthew, and his citation was anonymous, meaning he didn't attribute it to the gospel of Matthew. Any references to the gospel of Matthew by name came latter.

[Randomicity912]

Critics, that is non-Christians, prefer to date Matthew as late as 85-90. Should I just take your word for it that they were written later? Afterall, you uncritically accept anything as long as it is anti-Christian.

[MisterBoswell]

"Critics"...

Such as...?

And even you admitted there that it was after A.D. 70, the reason being the aforementioned Ignatius reference, which was in 110 A.D., hence scholars determine the source of the reference was already in circulation at the time, so it was written a little earlier.

"take your word for it that they were written later?" Later than what? All I ever said was they were written AFTER A.D. 70, which you just agreed.

[Hercules2345]

Actually, the memoirs & sayings are not the same as the Gospels. They cannot be attributed to Jesus anyway.

The 1st time all 4 Gospels are mentioned is by Irenaeus in his book "Against Heresy" in 180CE. After that the titles Matthew, Mark, Luke & John became popular & stuck.

Prior to that, the Gospels were anonymous - Justin Martyr never mentioned the gospels by name in 150CE because they DIDN'T EXIST.

[Randomicity912]

Man you're dumb. All the gospels were written prior to the at least 2nd century at most prior to 70AD. You need to study... badly.

[Randomicity912]

You also seem to think that the Gospels instanteously managed to be spread across the Church instaneously after they were written, which is purely ludicrous. A book half the size of Mark would have cost around 5 Denaari. Paul's letters would have cost about 4 days earnings.

[Randomicity912]

However if you read the kids original work and edit it into your older work, that is plagiarism on your part. This is what has happened with Christianity. Older pagan religions began copying aspects of Christianity and sticking them into their stories etc. For example, the religion of Adonis was older than Christianity, however, no "parallels" started to appear until the 2nd century.

[MisterBoswell]

Fail. No one mentioned Adonis. We were focused on Egypt, since that is what ruddip claimed "back in the pharoah days". And the stories of Osiris & Horus far predate anything christian by millenia.

So your Adonis thing is a nonsequitur.

[nebulajr]

Right on!!!! Keep up the great work. You sure have to spend a lot of time doing research to get this information out. Thanks

[FluffyDarkPrincess]

Is there going to be a part four to this series?

[ChelevSaRa]

Yeah, I'm working on it. I'm just confirming a couple things. I'm trying to give people as little to nitpick as possible, so I wanna be extra thorough.

[Randomicity912]

Firstly, there are no vowels in Egyptian hieroglyphics. Secondly, The name "Mary" comes from the Greek Μαρία, which is a shortened form of Μαριάμ. This is a transliteration of the Hebrew/Aramaic name Maryam or Miryām meaning either wished for child, bitterness, rebellious, or lifted up. Thirdly, the Egyptian is myr "beloved" or mr love. So, "beloved of Isis". Thus, not a name of Isis. Lastly, the Egyptian sounds nothing like the Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek or English.

[ChelevSaRa]

I kinda covered the "mr" thing. Thanks for not noticing. I have it written as "mary" because that's how it sounds. I'm pretty sure you knew that when you posted this comment though, unless you just posted it before the video was over, which I recommend against.

[Randomicity912]

Wow, thanks for totally evading the point. It does not sound like Mary, the guy you show pronounces it "marie". Isis-Meri is not a name of Isis. Either way, you must have missed my main point. The English name Mary comes from a shortened Greek transliteration of the Hebrew name Maryam, which is a later version of the name Miryām. Not only do Meri and Miryam mean two completely different things, but the Egyptian sounds nothing like the Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek or even the English.

[ChelevSaRa]

I didn't miss your "point." You missed mine. The topic of this video is basically does "Isis-mary (mry, meri)" exist in hieroglyphs? And yes, despite "refeuter" claims that it doesn't, it does. Your arguments are hasty generalizations, and turn out to be irrelevant to the topic at hand.

[MisterBoswell]

It does not sound like Mary, the guy you show pronounces it "marie". LMAO, that is just grasping for straws. This is like saying Will does not sound like William, and they don't, at least not EXACTLY the same as you would have it. But they do sound similar, and Will IS descended from William which is decended from an even older name that also sounds very different yet very similar as well.

And so it is with the name Mary and all the names it descended from.

[Randomicity912]

So you are saying the English name Mary, which derives from the Hebrew name Maryam is related to the Egyptian word myr, despite the fact they sound nothing alike and they mean two completely different things. Myr means beloved, and the Hebrew word for beloved is david. Your argument is "grasping at straws" because it is meaningless even if it somehow turned to be correct.

[nebulajr]

You do realize the Jewish roots ARE in Egypt? Don't you?

[Randomicity912]

Wrong. The Hebrew peoples originated from Canaan.

[nebulajr]

Try to read something.

Out of Egypt by Ahmed Osman

The House of the Messiah by Ahmed Osman

Egyptian Belief and Modern Thought by James Bonwick

Jesus..the Last of the Pharaohs by Ralph Ellis

Just to name a few.

[Randomicity912]

Wow. That's you're best? Fringe authors with cracpot ideas?

[Hercules2345]

Again you display your ignorance on the subject - even the Catholic Encyclopedia admits "Mary was of Egyptian origin"

[MisterBoswell]

Fail. Nice try at a swerve. I specified what I was responding to, your comment "It does not sound like Mary, the guy you show pronounces it 'marie' ". It was about how you are grasping at straws when you said Mary does not sound like Marie. It does sound alike, yes the guy in the video pronounces it Marie and it is different enough from Mary to notice, but similar enough to notice as well, too similar to try and deny. Same as trying to say that Will, Bill, Billy, William sound nothing alike.

[MisterBoswell]

But since you insist on bringing up Hebrew meanings & what not, I'll humor you.

First, that is another grasp for straws. It's obvious that the authors of the gospels didn't choose the name based on it's linguistic meaning. After all, did pure virgin Mary who "found favor with god" embody the meaning of rebellion? Was she rebellious? Hardly. Maybe is you tried that argument for Mary Magdelene, the "sinner", you might have a point.

[MisterBoswell]

The name Mary was not chosen for its dictionary definition anymore than most everyone elses name was chosen for it's meaning. My parents didnt chose any of my names based on its dictionary definition. They chose it because they liked how it sounds.

[MisterBoswell]

And that is the point here. The name Mary, or Maria/Μαρία obviously wasnt chosen by the gospel authors because of its ties to a Hebrew root word or that words definiton in Strongs Concordance[nor was it chosen by alleged inspiration from a holy ghost].

It was however obviously chosen because of it's similar sound to [as pronounced in the video] "marie"/meri, as is evident by the obvious similarities between the Horus & Jesus nativities.

[MisterBoswell]

You also nitpick at things like "there are no vowels in Egyptian hieroglyphics" & "the Egyptian is myr", yet the Hebrew alphabet also had no vowels but that didn't stop you from using vowels when you wrote Maryam or Miryām. To keep it consisten, shouldn't you have written 'mrym'? Yes you should.

[MisterBoswell]

And finally, even though you "meanings" argument has been demonstrated to be a fallacy, I also find it funny how you dashed your own argument to pieces in another way when you pointed out mrym[lol] means "either wished for child, bitterness, rebellious, or lifted up". Not only does this demonstrate how a single word in a particular language can have multiple different meanings and thus have multiple lines of lineage, ascent or descent.

[MisterBoswell]

So pigeon holing the meanings that are different from "beloved" if a smoke screen, since the definition of "wished for child" can have quite a similar meaning to a "beloved" child, and I can see how one could very possibly evolve from the other. But as I said, this is all moot since your argument for meanings is straw man anyway, as already irrefutably demonstrated.

You fail.

Again.

[Randomicity912]

You have absolutely no clue about ancient civilisations and culture do you? If you did, you would realise how stone cold wrong you are.

[MisterBoswell]

Pfft. Is that it? Just an accusation, with so support posted or linked.

No substance, just a "you're wrong".

Try, try, again.

[Randomicity912]

Why not? I mean that's all you seem to do.

[Randomicity912]

Why not? That is all you do. Ah I see what's going on. You don't like it when you get a taste of your own medicine.

[Hercules2345]

And yet scholars comment that :

"the resemblances between Isis and the Virgin Mary are far too close and numerous to be accidental."

[Randomicity912]

I'm sorry but 18th and 19th Century druids making things up out of thin air and modern fringe authors with no qualifications in ancient history and egyptology who quote these 18 and 18th century druids do not count as "scholars".

[nebulajr]

Sources?

[Hercules2345]

Anything to offer beyond ad homs? You only display your ignorance on the subject when you claim they were "making things up out of thin air"

You'll have to do much better than that.

[Randomicity912]

Pointing out how your sources aren't primary and don't reference any primary or scholarly sources is an ad hominem? Listen son, in the real world there is such a thing as reliable sources. Zeitgeist doesn't use any. That must be some delusional bubble you're living in.

[clairelesley1983]

Since when is it Isis MARY? It's Isis MERI! The pronunciation is different: Mare -ri for Mary and Ma -Ree for Meri. EVERY Egyptian citizen used Meri to describe their loved ones! Is it not exclusive to Isis. You are making out as if it is. And since when was Mary known as "Mary Beloved"? Mary wasn't even her real name. It was most likely Mariam. There is no correlation whatsoever. And I suppose the writers of the NT came to Egypt, could read hieroglyphics and made up Mary.

[dudekin]

'The refuters claim, that Isis-Meri never appears in Egyptian Hieroglyphs'

He never claimed that it was exclusive to Mary, he even stated what Meri meant. And as for the 'Virgin business' - I've gone through this one so many times with YouTube-ers. All I can do is ask you to read the sources. All the evidence you need is in there,

[ChelevSaRa]

I actually am not making it seem exclusive to Isis, so you're misrepresenting me.

[clairelesley1983]

You appear to have made it exclusive because you say it is Isis Mary. There's no such thing and you should edit your video because it is dishonest. And putting Isis Meri in brackets doesn't cut it.

[ChelevSaRa]

Actually it really does cut it. It's seriously fine the way it is.

[TheLood]

Great!! I can't w8, really nice job m8!

[ChelevSaRa]

Thanks man!

[ChelevSaRa]

UPADATE: Part 4 will be up soonishlyish!

[imslicc]

the issue is not whether god exists or not.... it's its relevency which is important.

this is irrelevent. god is irrelevent. if god's made up or not has nothing to do with our actual problems in life... since "god acts in mysterious ways...".

when you realize that science and tech' are the only things which ever made progress you leave god alone, and start thinking about those feelings in a philosophical way.

btw. what's the name of the track?

[ChelevSaRa]

Jasco

[precarious333]

pt1

This isn't about the relevancy as to whether or not god exists. It's about a fallacy aggressively pushed by the Catholic Church which has lead to countless innocents being tortured, killed and oppressed for the last 2,000 years. It's about a scam perpetrated against those looking for enlightenment, but mistakenly buying into a dead end system of control.

Humanity has been robbed by Christianity. It's needs to be exposed.

[precarious333]

pt2

Technology could also be sighted as the cause of our crumbling, corrupt society. How has tech advanced our connection to nature, for instance? It hasn't. I has further removed us from it allowing us to justify greedy behaviors against it and each other.

I am by no means anti-tech. I'm just pointing out that we require balance, and that tech, like any knowledge, can be used either to help or to hurt. Without spiritual balance tech becomes just another weapon.

Wouldn't you agree?

[TruthWorld]

What can I say?

Great work man! keep them coming.

[MrSammo1]

Keep up the good work.

The simple minded will start burning us at the stake soon.

;o)

[precarious333]

That footage is a great find, but you should let us know where it's from and whose voice we are hearing. I'm not doubting it's accurate but a point of reference is important. You know that's the first thing you'll get flamed about by the doubters.

Keep up the great work!

[AtheisticReasoner]

Precarious, I wonder, the voice in the video sounds familiar. Is it not the voice of Dr. Zahi Hawass, Secretary General of the Supreme Council of Antiquities and Director of the Giza Pyramids Excavation?

[AtheisticReasoner]

Actually, listening to the movie again the voice this time doesn't sound exactly like Zahi. Sounds maybe younger too. However, a quick search on google for "mr ee egyptian hyroglyph" gives confirming evidence.

[precarious333]

Agreed, the voice sounds too high to be Hawass. Also he is very cautious about letting any controversial information slip. For instance, they will not release the results of DNA testing of mummies. I believe there are suspicious reasons for that.

[precarious333]

pt.1

I'd also like to point out the phallic symbolism in the original "mr-ee" hieroglyphs (phallus pointing left, followed by doubled shapes). Considering the importance of the word "beloved" I'd suggest this was intentional.

Equally interesting is the phallic nature of the simplified Isis chair-like glyph.

[precarious333]

pt.2

However, when we view the simplified Isis glyph in relation to the simplified "mr-ee" glyph we are presented with both a masculine and feminine symbol suggesting Generation or Reproduction, which would make sense considering what Isis represents.

[AtheisticReasoner]

I found the symbol via google in an online Dictionary of Middle Egyptian when searching through the instances of mri and did the search after finding this post below from a discussion board...

"I think 'mrwt' is translate as 'love' which it's a noun, right? if you want the verb of 'love' you should cut 'w & t' out from 'mrwt', it's become 'mri', the 'love' in verb."

[ChelevSaRa]

I have where I got the video linked in the description. I stumbled on it on accident, and my hieroglyph interpretation sources backed it up, so it looked good to use =D

[cferreira81]

This series was good. I hope to see more. I really liked the hieroglyph part. Check out The Pagan Christ on youtube. It has five parts. I believe part 2 or 3 shows the wall at the temple of Luxor in which the virgin birth of Horus was written!

[clairelesley1983]

Don't know where you get the virgin birth business. Seth cut up Osiris, Isis reassembled him by casting a spell and brought him briefly back to life so to have sex with him to conceive Horus.

[cferreira81]

Well, " THe Pagan Christ" consisting of 5 parts, will show the wall at the Temple of Luxor which is in Zeitgeist. Don't just take the Wilkepedia's story as the only one that exists about Horus. It is important to also know that virgin back in the old days, also referred to a young lady, even if she already had sex. Also, Osiris penus was never found, so she used an object if I'm not mistaken. It would be like saying a virgin woman masturbated using a dildo and lost her virginity.

[dudekin]

Fantastic!

[Hercules2345]

LOL, this is funny as it does back up Zeitgeist. And, I'm sure viewers here would like to know that this & most ALL of the other claims in the official version of ZG concerning Egypt will be highly detailed in Acharya's new book "Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection"

[wrestler50000]

I did purchase Suns of God a while ago but haven't got round to even reading it yet.

I did write a comment 4-5 days ago about this Isis-Meri on "Parallels Between Jesus and Horus - Egyptian Sun God" video and despite my explanation, it is almost as if they ignore what is in front of them.

I am looking forward to the Christ in Egypt. Shall be interesting stuff, regardless.

Peace (in a non religious way. lol )

[spaceagebachelor]

Good research!

[LastCynicStanding]

Nice find sir.