I met Dr. Bowman long ago during the Reagan years when he was fighting SDI with every breath.
I went to see Dr. Bowman at every opportunity, and argued for his positions on the "net" long before there was an "internet" and world wide web.
And I was wrong.
Dr. Bowman did not have the vision to see how SDI was destined to play a key role in reducing the threat of nuclear war, and defeating the Soviet Union.
So what your saying is... he was not accurate at predicting the future? haha
Also do you really think that SDI reduced the threat of Nuclear war? SDI still hasnt even been proven useful to this day? Even if you look it up, wikipedia has this to say
"Though it was never completely developed or deployed, the research and technologies of SDI paved the way for some anti-ballistic missile systems of today. "
So yes the "technology" may have paved the way to the inevitable anti-ballistic missiles
Everything Bowman said WOULD happen as a result of persuing SDI went 180 degrees from his predictions.
You don't seem to understand the benefit of SDI... it had nothing to do with technical operation. The benefit of the program was in creating a perception of looming American offensive and defensive dominance.... causing the USSR to blink.
They did.
Cold war over. Nuclear threat diminished.
More than anything, the USSR wanted SDI shut down. Explain to them that they were stupid.
So what your saying is... he was not accurate at predicting the future? haha
Also do you really think that SDI reduced the threat of Nuclear war? SDI still hasnt even been proven useful to this day? Even if you look it up, wikipedia has this to say
"Though it was never completely developed or deployed, the research and technologies of SDI paved the way for some anti-ballistic missile systems of today."
So yes the "technology" may have paved the way to the inevitable anti-ballistic missiles
@RyderSpearmann so your saying that a defense organization took down the soviets? and not the economic terrorist that are running around the western world now?
@majikninja07 - a defense that is formidable enough to cause an enemy to simply give up... or to cause them to expend resources to such a degree as to build an effective offensive capability that strains their economic foundation to the point of collapse...
In other words, they took themselves down... in a game they were not prepared to play.
@VideoMilitia the soviet system collapsed because they built a billion nukes, had many nuke stations mobile 24/7/365, had the most tanks of any country ever and had habits of slaughter tens of millions of their population in a fairly low population for how much land it controlled, and had more missions to space to say sdi 's possible weaponization of space was the reason is stupid and the possible out come would have been nuke ww3 great ideal
@majikninja07 That is what I just said. And no, they did not have a habit of slaughter tens of millions of their own. That was the past. it would be like saying the US has a habit of enslaving blacks, which is not true, although it was in the past. The final reason for the collapse is simply that communist systems are inherently weak when compared to capitalist republics. It did not take much to push them over the edge, but push we did, and SDI was the centerpiece to that effort.
@VideoMilitia a defense that is formidable enough to cause an enemy to simply give up... or to cause them to expend resources to such a degree as to build an effective offensive capability that strains their economic foundation to the point of collapse... = USSR how about remembering what you said before you speak douche face
Ya Allah; make Islam become strong as it was during the time of Prophet Mohammad (saw). Muslim Ummah is in a desperate need of the right guidance; 2 help remain steadfast on the true path, through fair as well as in times of hardship!
Help in healing the sick, showing mercy 2 those weak in Imman & free to unite those forcibly divided, 2 welcome the fresh faces, who hear about Islam n want to know more to embrace it.
I am sure Osama new what collateral damge 911 would cause. So Iraq and Afgan should have been on his ass. If I were a leader I would'nt want a world power on my ass becasue 2pac and his crew didnt like Afgannies.
Ron Paul is the closest thing we have to the Founding Fathers! The MSM has been brainwashing and dumbing up Americans for decades. America needs people - not sheeple. Defeat the four-headed establishment Frankenstein monster known as Huckney McCainiani; and crush Billary. I'm an American and I believe in Liberty and the Constitution. Vote Ron Paul!
"But wait! It is to Madame Justice that I dedicate this concerto, in honor of the holiday she seems to have taken from these parts, and in recognition of the impostor that stands in her stead"
I`m an Irish man,we all over here still(just about)love America,,,,,,,,,but!!!!!!!we ALL hate your adminastration,,,,,,,,,,,,,americans why do you keep these people in government????????????WHY
Jesus came to this world to reveal that God is Love. He did not come here to be tortured to death. That was what the Jews ordained by falsifying evidence. They have never apologized. Christians who believe that it was God's will to tortured his son to death are buying into the religeon that Jesus attempted to put an end to: the religeon of appeasing vicious Satan with Pain and suffering and substitute victims.
11 master occultists, kaballists, masons & witches Bush, Cheney, Ann Cappelletti, Tenet, Gates, Giuliani, Schwartzenegger, Silverstein, Soros and 33 degree mason Saddam Hussein executed 911 implosions for demonic power. John Cappelletti's demolition co. planted the explosives in WTC blgs for Silverstein, who signed a 99yr lease, 0701.
Jesus died for Christians' sins and that scenario just continue, the sons and British and Americans are dying in Iraq for Blair's and Bush's sins, I like this idea, cause if I am gonna be a sinful man someone will die for my sin, why should I worry to sin then? I think it should be cross-fiction and not crucifixion.
Brainphreak, an observation: You are certainly well versed on the details of evidence. Great! But you may not see the bigger picture, and disinfo agents will use that against you. lt5lee happily engages you in fruitless argument because you unwittingly help him draw attention away from what's important. We all know the official story is a lie and we now need to focus our attention on who's responsible. Let's all work toward exposing the real purpose behind 911 and the war on terror.
see you dont even know his story, havnt listened to his side, but made your decision... sad... pathetic.. and you try to act like some computer scientist.. hear one side of a story and thats enough to make your decision... just unbelievable.
your an idiot, I am an electronic engineer, I have worked on OBP/BIOS before, I have programmed robotics in ASM. Nice try acting all smart, you cant do shit, Ill even give you my I.P. lamer... Reflash my bios? what the fuck school did you drop out of.. mwahahhaha you make me laugh. Search my name online, you will find articles and tutorials I have written and published about ASM and other languages.. I laugh at you... thanks for cheering me up.
What are you talking about? The argument is the models DID show higher temperatures than expected. The models didnt come up with the numbers, the numbers were input into the model... look into how these 'recreations' are made. Its not a computer that inputs its own number of columns, temperatures etc. Those are input by the person CREATING the model.
the models actually did take into account the fire retardant, the amount suspected to be removed based on the energy and momentum of the plane and location it struck. They then used worst case scenario and models still passed.. they continued to add "false failures" to their models including reduction of columns, until they could finally get a failure based on innacurate science. Listen to Kevin Ryans talks. He worked for Underwriters Laboratory (UL) contracting to NIST
911 was an ISRAEL job. Mossad agents wired the WTC with explosives under direction of Silverstein and Netanyahu. Beware: many 911 truth activists (eg Alex Jones) are actually working for Israeli (Zionist) interests, and try to place all blame on the US govt while diverting our attention away from the primary culprits. Anyone who discusses 911 while avoiding evidence of Israeli involvement should be considered a Zionist disinfo agent. We must be suspicious of Bowman and those who do likewise.
Bowman doesnt deny Israeli involvement? Where did you come up with this? antineocons and opposingdigits? Why not listen to the man or better yet even send him a message and talk to him! He doesnt claim involvement with anyone except the fact the government must have known. He doesnt say the CFR or Trilateral is involved either, does this mean he also works for them? ridiculous to be so paranoid that you beleive everyone who doesnt blame the jews exclusively is a zionist disinfo agent...
The reason I suspect Bowman is that he appears to be pushing the blame onto the wrong people. Those behind the attacks have appointed many false activists to trick us into attacking Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Giuliani - sacrificing some low-level players so that the main culprits get away free. I may be wrong about Bowman and I hope I am. He's more honest than Ron Paul. But unless he starts fingering the real culprits, it's wise to be suspicious.
yes always wise to be suspicious , To accuse Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Guliani etc. and not go after israel is very different from "denying" Israel had any involvement. MANY countries were involved. If I dont name the UK, am I an MI5 agent? I hope you see my point. There are many people to go after, you cannot do anything blaming Israel as a country, you CAN do something about Cheney and Bush and those who support the crimes. Think globally, but act locally.
Good points. Yes several countries were involved but the Israeli Zionist regime was by far the biggest player. Can we do anything about it? Yes! How about boycotting their goods; cutting off their annual $3 billion in aid; stop supplying them weapons; arresting Chertoff and the AIPAC infiltrators. Act locally AND globally.
Everyone is going to have different information and a different point of view. That in and of its self is no reason to be untrusting. There is a such thing as to paranoid.
I personally think he is focasing more on what's far more important then even pointing fingers. We are drowning in corruption and that is how this happened in the first place. We are squabiling(sp) over cents on the dollar while we are being robbed of much greater wealth. Inflation is being used on us as an invisible tax.
FYI, these CFAST models were not like the flawed NIST A-A structural models that had a 6x3 core and pretended that jet fuel burns at 1500C.
They model a HOT 800C fuel fire burning over several hours (ironically using data from the WTC fire in 1975 that burned hotter, longer, and did significantly less damage than the 2001 fires).
This is not an apples to orange model, but a model that is a direct derivation of WTC math to WTC physics.
I have never debated the validity of the actual temp vs strength chart. But taken out of context, it's utterly meaningless.
I can prove, for example, that the temperature of 600C was never reached in a majority of the steel from the WTC. And I can prove that the temperature of the fires was less than 600C. And the beams supposedly 'weakened' by heat were cooler than 100C over the bulk.
How could I know these things? Simple observation and science. Observations like black sooty smoke and people clinging to beams - and science like this:
every single combustible in the building = less total energy than is needed to heat the temperature of a single floor's steel more than 500C.
But conduction radiated heat, and we know the beams were raised on average, no more than 24C. Warm to the touch to be sure, but cool enough to cling for and wave for help!
I would discredit their 'facts' were there any at all to discredit. Seriously. It reads like an op ed piece.
They toss up random smatterings of data and try to make them correlate to apples and oranges... like your much lauded NIST steel strength vs temperature chart.
Nice try, but heat conduction (a scientific fact) and photographic evidence (factual) render it a completely inane and irrelevant hunk of information.
British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900º C (1,500-1,700º F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600º C (1,100º F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments).
Unless you can prove to me that a girder that a girl can hang from is 800C and "Two isolated pockets of fire" according to a firefighter on the floor below the impact is enough to cause failure, I'm convinced the only failure here is your logic.
(FYI, even at 10% of it's capacity, you do realize the building was built with 2000:1 live load capacity right? meaning the tower would have stood for hours even at 1200C.
you realize that FIRE temperature does not equal STEEL temperature - or OOPS - did you not realize that little gem?
and as for your laughable little entry, I'll add there is this nifty little thing called 'conduction' - which allows heat to rapidly disperse through steel - try it with an iron skillet - the handle is hot isn't it?
The fires were low temperature (NYPD were saying 450C at best) - billowing black smoke... people hanging on to the walls.
How many structural engineers are in the 911 truth movement is a better question. But I will let you in on a tiny secret. The number is in the thousands. The only thing stifling most of them is fear of losing jobs that are related to the govt.
But who needs engineers to prove 911 was an inside job? Bush's own people do it. Norman Mineta, Rumsfeld, Cheney - all of them have testified as such.
I am a scientist with over a decade of chemical and engineering background, respectively.
I do not for a SECOND believe the official story as distributed by NIST and FEMA. I found so many glaring errors and lies that there is no way they did a serious study.
ever heard of the A-A WTC models that NIST cited? They had the burning temp of jet fuel at 1500C! (The actual temp was 800C) - and they modeled a core with 6 x 3 columns instead of 47!
Well, I don't think you are full of shit, and I DO think you have a brain. I do, however disagree with you, and resent being insulted by you.
Here is a movie you'll find if you cut, paste and search, here on YouTube.
9/11 Coincidence Theory
This is a long list of un-answered questions and a list of facts and a whole lot of things to think about, no matter what party you vote for, wether or not you believe in the 911 comission final report. Please watch it.
If you really were an engineer then you would know what I am talking about. But all you can do is insult people and keep making the same nonsensical arguements over and over again. You keep questioning the credentials of others so prove your point and post yours if you have the guts.
Fighters were scrambled for "small" irregularities during the year prior to 9/11, such as flights not following allocated path, passenger-list discrepancies etc. INSIDE U.S. BORDERS. Several of the 19 "hi-jackers" have since 9/11 been observed and identified ALIVE!
But I'm not interrested in trying to convince you. Hell, you probably don't believe the Watergate break-in happened either.
3. Doesn't it strike you as strange that two fighters could find this ONE LITTLE plane in Alaska, while just prior to that, NORAD couldn't find FOUR airliners (if that's what they were), over the eastern part of the lower 48.
2. The fifth floor hit the fourth and damaged it badly. Some concrete even fell through to the third, but thats where it stopped. Pancake theory debunked! I haven't said word one about WTC 7. And if you believe the official CT, then I've got a bridge for sale. It's close to ground zero.
1. You could have a professorate in engineering for all I care. Being an electrician, I took part in building the biggest hospital in Norway in '95. One concrete floor fell down and hit the next, due to insuff. welding.
Sounds like you're in fantasy land, lt5lee. Since you obviously believe the official CT. That's what it is, you know: The 911 Omissions Final Report is a CT.
Try the path of least resistance theory. And then you'll know you've just disproved your own arguement and your own credentials as a scientist. Physics does not lie, but apparently you do
So if were making this all up how come lonelantern society documented the CIA Black Helicopters at the Truth Symposium. I wont get aids, cause I dont fuck looser whores like you do. I hope you get Gulf war syndrome.
Another CENTCOM LOOSER BLOGGER. Go Blow your brains out with your M16. You have no life. Your wife hates you. Your never home and your an Alcoholic and o yeah. My clearance is higher than yours. Its all true.
yeah sure try to echo the governments statement and call those looking for a new investigation (veterans, families of the victims, first responders etc.) all terrorists. Real American of you. Ignore the insider stock trades, the forewarnings to hundreds, the hindering of FBI investigations.. after all a structural engineer didnt tell you it was true.
Just to clarify your bold lies, nowhere on the site does it say it was only peer reviewed by 911 scholars. That is a lie. And to point out your OTHER lies or ignorance.
"some of which been peer reviewed."
Your Wrote: "Oh really, show ONE!!!!!!!!!!"
Lie and Done. "there are already over thirty-five peer-reviewed papers at the Journalof911Studies dot com." You make shit up because you have nothing.
Ok, this is my last post then Ill let your garbage spew on this page (notice I dont delete your comments, even though your often off topic, repeating yourself etc.) I am fine with "rational thought, known engineering principals and real knowledge of historical facts" it is easy to stand behind, YOU are the one who bums me out for being so stupid and unwilling to discuss anything contrary to your own 911 commission belief system. You are master of the straw man.
again your repeating, I think in about 2 posts I will complete my useless battle to educate you. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make a horses ass drink. Go to journalof911studies dot com for peer reviewed papers. That is all. Anyone reading this can find them there regardless of your "claims" and "willful ignorance".
You said: "If you believe any of the 911 CT, you're in fantasy land." implying that ANYTHING (subject or topic) against the official story, is a fantasy. You my friend are an idiot, I really shouldnt have to explain the "difference" between a "person" and a "thing" to anyone over age 6. I should really get paid to speak to someone of your low intellect. It bums me out.
I think your in the wrong video, go to some environmentalist video and nuclear power video to talk about that, last I checked this thread and video is about the 9/11 terror attacks. Quite grasping straws and drown already...
RE: "The good thing about science & mathematical principals are they are not up for discussion." Exactly.. and you choose to listen to the "opinion" of the 911 commission report which in itself says that it cannot explain things like WTC7... The NIST as well.. and then you ignore the scientific papers which show the math, show the physics, some of which been peer reviewed. Its the classic tactic of a weak mind.
"If they were held responsible for their lies you would see a different opinion"
Yeah same can be said about the present government... but we both know how that is being run. One of us just chooses to ignore the corruption and pretend everything is just fine.
Did you really run out of material already? Resorting to arguing about things never once said and then repeating earlier arguments? *repeating piece of shit. *unoriginal bastard. (*borrowed from Adam Sandler).
I dont have time to do a waltz in circles with your sorry ass.
again you dont know how to read, need serious reading comprehension classes.. Nowhere in any post have I ever used the term "every single person", go ahead and look for yourself.. idiot...
Yeah there is no suppression of free energy, we are dependent on oil because there is no such thing as an alternative fuel. I see.. thanks for clearing that up too... If any superior technology exists, the everyday person would always have access to it and be using it right? ok I see.
Sure every single thing everyone talks about that goes against the official story (even though the official story in itself is a conspiracy.. maybe you should look up the term) means I am in fantasy land.. sure.. the government is all knowing and unless they say it, it cant possibly be true. I see.
So you say she is a credited engineer and a screwball, so all engineers relating to 911 investigations are also insane? yet you show one engineer disagrees with Jones and that proves the whole theory is wrong? A little hypocritical don't you think? 3 letters next to your name don't make you infallible... This is why its wise to READ, and not just listen to other peoples opinions...
RE: "its not their job to support the personal lives of professors in their university"
YES, that it is exactly their job.
No their job is to educate children and hire teachers, not go into the personal lives of their employees to agree with their possible political agendas.. you are seriously mistaken.
they have been debunked numerous times, search google for "debunking 911 myths" and "debunking popular mechanics". Judy Wood is not even part of scholars for 911 truth and justice, Steven Jones is, your looking at Fetzers group which Jones is not a part of, yes they are a bit looney, and not affiliated in any way to jones group, they have distanced from one another long ago due to Fetzers and Woods, strange theories.
Your creating straw men... look it up if you dont know the term. Judy did not write about the planes crashing into buildings. Steven jones did not write about the planes crashing into buildings. Jones wrote about the traces of elements found in the metal, this is sound science if you actually read it and dont try hard for people to hand feed you their opinion. Ever try thinking for yourself? Do you call a doctor everytime you have hunger pains to be sure your hungry too?
"conducted research at the Idaho National Laboratory, from 1979 to 1985 as senior engineering specialist. Was the principal investigator for experimental Muon-catalyzed fusion from 1982 to 1991 for the U.S. Department of Energy.
-much more experience removed to save space-
Jones specializes in metal-catalyzed fusion, archaeometry and solar energy."
"Archaeological science includes:
Physical and chemical dating methods which provide archaeology with absolute and relative chronologies."
Steven Jones also is not the only person who has done peer reviewed studies, check scholars for truth and justice, check journal of 911 studies, there are plenty of peer reviewed studies... maybe even try reading a book like "911 sythetic terror" "911 ommissions and distortions" maybe listen to the first responders who were there and are fighting for their lives now? no, just believe one guy, and grasp at straws to debunk one person so your fantasy will survive.
Of course the college with not support Jones papers on the subject, its not their job to support the personal lives of professors in their university, specifically when they get their funding from the very person(s) being implicated in the crime. Is that all you have? come on, you can do better than that...
Why dont you go look at "architects and engineers for 911 truth" "veterans for 911 truth" "pilots for 911 truth" "republicans for 911 truth" "scholars for 911 truth" "journal of 911 studies" "911truth dot org" created by families and victims of the 911 tragedy. and the countless other sites. Or you can ignore them and believe one engineer who disagrees without proving why, and call US all nuts.
sounds like what your doing, cherry pick the few who disagree with Jones and call it fact. For every one you show me I can provide two others, Its a waste. I dont rely on so called "experts" on the subject when I am fully capable of weighing the evidence with my own expertise. You dont need to be a specialist in "collapse forensics" as you say to find chemical traces in steel.
ok because you say so, you must be the authority and you must be right. I think Ill ignore all the facts in those papers now. I will ignore my engineering background and ability to READ papers myself even in absence of peer review, Ill ignore verified peer reviewed documents.. because you after all must be smarter than all of us. Thanks a bunch for setting us straight!
Do your own homework slacker, I sent you the links to the papers and information. Learn how to surf the web to more places than just youtube. If you know the nature of peer review, they are done by a committee for peer review, the names of each individual on the committe is general never disclosed. This is how science works...
I think your confusing barrett with jones? Jones is a Mormon... He has peer reviewed work, and so do others at journalof911studies dot com or stj911 dot org , anyone can see for themselves. Wasnt JUST traces of sulfer either, that was only ONE discovery, did you even read his papers?
those tapes have not all been released and you know it too, you do not need close to 6 years to study something when you have already come to the conclusion of what happened. I'm sorry but nobody can convince the the official story is true, it just doesn't make any sense. I've fought in iraq because of this story.
LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. Hello. Planting devices for a demolitions takes planning and weeks, to my knowledge. THAT in itself implies foreknowledge, which implies an inside job. Think and stop listening to the disinformation. What, are you masochistic?
I thought you said you knew the principles of physics? Face it. Just face it. Your government LIED. But you're so invested in staving off anxiety, that you're fixed on believing Big Brother is here to PROTECT you, that you refuse to admit anything that jeopardizes your cozy delusions of a benevolent government.
why did they confiscate the film from the gas station across from the pentagon, why not just release those and put all this to rest. I have a better question where is the plane that crashed in the pentagon. don't tell me that a plane that big made a hole that small.
So now I'm suppoed to be psychic too? Next time tell me you've changed topics. Then go take a debate class. Or an english comp class. Go back to your wrenches and oil rags.
Yeah, Dick's a generous guy. Right. Ever heard of a tax write off? Well off? Yeah, millions he's making while my son and thousands like him fight an unjust war in Iraq, next Iran, then Syria... And for what? So Dick can pump his oil through the Cheney pipeline? Don't make me cry. My son is fighting for you? If you love Cheney so much, why don't you go fight in Iraq?
You really are brainwashed, aren't you. There's an impeachment in process! But I bet if you caught Cheney holding an M-16 and standing over a corpse you'd blame it on, well, I don't know, whoever Popular Mechanics tells you to blame it on;)
Then why do you keep bringing up Gore and Clinton? You appear to want to spark a Rep-Dem war. It's a facade. Go hug Dick Cheney... or Al Gore for that matter. But don't expect them to exempt you when they send the rest of us off to detainment camps after the next 9/11 they're planning. Go back to sleep.
(Sound the buzzer) XX Wrong XX Cheney continues to receive upwards of $1 million annually from Halliburton. Anyway, lt5lee, when you decide to stop hurling insults and present accurate facts pertinent to the issues, I'll gladly debate. Bye now.
Soros... Yeah. So does Michael Moore... does that make everyone who believes there's a rat in the White House a liar? That's Popular Mechanic logic for you. Better tighten those lug nuts lt5lee:)
No, "you ignorance" is dominated by "popular myth." Anyone who believes that mainstream corporate-owned media is feeding you the truth is definitely in need of an education. Take the red pill. Or does that scare you too much?
Are you assuming I'm a democrat? LOL? The bipartisan paradigm is a lie. Clinton is just as guilty as the current administration! Lot's of us complained about Clinton. Where where you?
And I'm tired of paying tax dollars to fund the military-industrial war complex. Cheney and his Halliburton scum... wait a second! lt5lee? Maybe YOUR'RE Cheney. Hey, Dick, shoot anybody lately?
"Trusting your own eyes." That was your first mistake. Ever heard of the Availability Heuristic? Ever been to the WTC? Take a look at bldg 7 in relation to the twin towers. No plane hit this bldg. Small, confined fires. Yet it collapsed. Silberman admitted it was a controlled demolition which takes planning, which means they had forewarning. Who were the tenants of bldg 7? Hmm. I'll let you figure that one out.
your right i remember watching the guy that owns building 7 admitting that they pulled the building, but people still refuse to believe it, even though it's coming from the horses mouth.
"Nutty Porfessors..." It's just as I thought, my friend; you've been watching too much Disney...or Fox. Why were they fired? Hmm. Think about that. Fired for blowing the whistle... Cheney and Silberman are running scared. Tee-shirt sales? How about $9 billion in goverment contracts to Halliburton and Co? Who stands to lose more? Turn off your television. Your brains cells are dying.
"Real Engineers..." in Popular Mechanics. Joke. Who owns this publication and others like it? Neo-Con whores. If you want the truth about a crime, do you really expect to receive honest answers from the lying perpetrators and those in their employ? Mainstream media is corrupt. Seriously, if you want fairy tales, keep on reading Hurst propaganda.
The 9/11 Commission Report is the real fairy tale. Since when are criminals allowed to choose their own "investigators"? And "no contradictions"? LOL. Ask the families of 9/11 victims what they think of your official report. No there's a conspiracy theory.
My understanding is that Steven Jones was attempting to promote tolerance of Islam instead of the blind hatred promoted by military-psy-op-style media and bought hook-line-and-sinker by the masses. It's no different that the Nazi propaganda against Jews.
Neurochemistry what? Duh... Google scholars for 911 truth, Dr. Steven Jones- a physics prof, etc. Oh. Wait. Don't bother. All "Gibberish." Go back to school. Or sleep.
if you dont trust bowman why not look to peer reviewed science and the COUNTLESS other credible sources? instead of trying to find your weakest link and grasp at straws.. attack the messenger, never the message.. journalof911studies dot com stj911 dot org (peer reviewed science)
Well, you asked if I was a moron. No, I'm not. So why don't you stop bullying everyone here with your infantile name-calling and present facts to susbstantiate your assertions?
PS- are you so invested in clinging to your preconceived ideas and being "right" that you're willing to believe a lie? 9/11 WAS an inside job. I've researched both sides. The evidence is overwhelming.
You're right. The Bush Administration has created a climate of fear which perpetuates dependency. If they admitted that our government is capable of such corruption it would shatter their carefully-maintained delusions of safety.
This guy has great credentials; don't know why he would throw in with the conspriracy crowd. The US government had nothing to do with the events of 9/11. They had <i>everything</i> to do with exploiting the events for their own agenda. Barking up the conspiracy tree is counterproductive.
yep your one of a kind... too bad your too stupid to be able to update wikipedia than... it only takes a few clicks... guess your not up for the challenge.. all that aside, it has nothing to do with 9/11.. you are off topic.. you would rather attack the messenger than the message. Go back to sheep.. or I mean sleep
Saddam in 2000 started to denominate all oil sales in Euros and was making 15-17% more money then the rest of the middle eastern countries. Iraq is the #2 oil producing country in the world and this was a threat to the dollar. Keep in mind at one point Saddam was a CIA asset that fled to Syria.
By the way maybe you should look up "ad hominem" and "straw man" while your there... I see your the type who judges PEOPLE not the words they speak. Attack the messenger not the message. Classic tactic for a failure who cant speak logically about an issue. Are you a bigot too?
maybe you should go update wikipedia if you really believe that? This way its not just YOUR word.. your PEERS can verify your work. Thats how a normal society reaches the truth. Wikipedia doesnt even say its controversial. So maybe mark it as unverified? Then it can be fixed. Sounds like YOUR the ONLY one who knows? wow
you are insane, he worked in the star wars program under reagan even... why not check wikipedia for some information, or google it.. "Robert M. Bowman (born 1934) was a former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations, and a former United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel with 101 combat missions. He holds a Ph.D. in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from the California Institute of Technology."
I want to upload a mantage of Bill O'Reilly on his tabloid tv show he hosted for years talking about UFO's and Bigfoot as facts as he now up-talks Bush/Cheney and the Neo-Con agenda.... I might get banned though, Free Speech is getting torched in the USA, the last thing left is the internet.... Sign the 9/11 petitions, links on my website or google it!
Wake up America! 9/11 was a setup by the government, it is the only way to explain what happened (how the terrorists got so lucky, how the reinforced steel buildings fell so quickly). Wake up and smell the TRUTH!
why is the truth being silenced sounds like fascism to me,wake up America!
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why so few views ? youtube up to its old tricks again ?
yourmumstube78 1 year ago
Correct, it is TREASON.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
I met Dr. Bowman long ago during the Reagan years when he was fighting SDI with every breath.
I went to see Dr. Bowman at every opportunity, and argued for his positions on the "net" long before there was an "internet" and world wide web.
And I was wrong.
Dr. Bowman did not have the vision to see how SDI was destined to play a key role in reducing the threat of nuclear war, and defeating the Soviet Union.
Dr. Bowman claimed it would bring WWIII.
He was wrong. Very, very, wrong.
RyderSpearmann 2 years ago
So what your saying is... he was not accurate at predicting the future? haha
Also do you really think that SDI reduced the threat of Nuclear war? SDI still hasnt even been proven useful to this day? Even if you look it up, wikipedia has this to say
"Though it was never completely developed or deployed, the research and technologies of SDI paved the way for some anti-ballistic missile systems of today. "
So yes the "technology" may have paved the way to the inevitable anti-ballistic missiles
brainphreak 2 years ago
Everything Bowman said WOULD happen as a result of persuing SDI went 180 degrees from his predictions.
You don't seem to understand the benefit of SDI... it had nothing to do with technical operation. The benefit of the program was in creating a perception of looming American offensive and defensive dominance.... causing the USSR to blink.
They did.
Cold war over. Nuclear threat diminished.
More than anything, the USSR wanted SDI shut down. Explain to them that they were stupid.
RyderSpearmann 2 years ago
So what your saying is... he was not accurate at predicting the future? haha
Also do you really think that SDI reduced the threat of Nuclear war? SDI still hasnt even been proven useful to this day? Even if you look it up, wikipedia has this to say
"Though it was never completely developed or deployed, the research and technologies of SDI paved the way for some anti-ballistic missile systems of today."
So yes the "technology" may have paved the way to the inevitable anti-ballistic missiles
brainphreak 2 years ago
@RyderSpearmann so your saying that a defense organization took down the soviets? and not the economic terrorist that are running around the western world now?
majikninja07 1 year ago
@majikninja07 - a defense that is formidable enough to cause an enemy to simply give up... or to cause them to expend resources to such a degree as to build an effective offensive capability that strains their economic foundation to the point of collapse...
In other words, they took themselves down... in a game they were not prepared to play.
VideoMilitia 1 year ago
@VideoMilitia the soviet system collapsed because they built a billion nukes, had many nuke stations mobile 24/7/365, had the most tanks of any country ever and had habits of slaughter tens of millions of their population in a fairly low population for how much land it controlled, and had more missions to space to say sdi 's possible weaponization of space was the reason is stupid and the possible out come would have been nuke ww3 great ideal
majikninja07 1 year ago
@majikninja07 That is what I just said. And no, they did not have a habit of slaughter tens of millions of their own. That was the past. it would be like saying the US has a habit of enslaving blacks, which is not true, although it was in the past. The final reason for the collapse is simply that communist systems are inherently weak when compared to capitalist republics. It did not take much to push them over the edge, but push we did, and SDI was the centerpiece to that effort.
VideoMilitia 1 year ago
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@VideoMilitia a defense that is formidable enough to cause an enemy to simply give up... or to cause them to expend resources to such a degree as to build an effective offensive capability that strains their economic foundation to the point of collapse... = USSR how about remembering what you said before you speak douche face
majikninja07 1 year ago
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2020starman 1 week ago
sir, I salute you .
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mawnyz 3 years ago 2
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come!"
Victor Hugo
Tubamir 4 years ago 10
I am sure Osama new what collateral damge 911 would cause. So Iraq and Afgan should have been on his ass. If I were a leader I would'nt want a world power on my ass becasue 2pac and his crew didnt like Afgannies.
JimTL1000R 4 years ago
Ron Paul is the closest thing we have to the Founding Fathers! The MSM has been brainwashing and dumbing up Americans for decades. America needs people - not sheeple. Defeat the four-headed establishment Frankenstein monster known as Huckney McCainiani; and crush Billary. I'm an American and I believe in Liberty and the Constitution. Vote Ron Paul!
lostinantartica 4 years ago 5
AIR FORCE rules!!!
tracyterry 4 years ago
Would someone please lead us. We need to take America back. I am ready to fight.
cubeprisioner8 4 years ago 5
"Would someone please lead us."
This sentence is the problem, not the solution.
Lead yourself.
IsaacBickerstaffEsq 3 years ago 3
Jesse Ventura.
V for Vendetta
Watch
marcoddy 2 years ago
Oddly enough, I happen to be watching V for Vendetta at this very moment. Synchronicity and shit.
IsaacBickerstaffEsq 2 years ago
Hahahaha, wicked.
Amazing isn't it...
"But wait! It is to Madame Justice that I dedicate this concerto, in honor of the holiday she seems to have taken from these parts, and in recognition of the impostor that stands in her stead"
marcoddy 2 years ago
only
peace
resist
mauriciobmrocha 4 years ago 2
all you ostriches can bury your heads.
you can join us or get out of our way.
you can not stop us.
WE are The Truth Movement,
we will never forget, we will not be quiet.
AND WE AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE.
homerbear46 4 years ago 3
Strategic Communication Laboratories set the illusion, media hoax of 911.
See September Clues, 8 videos, livevideo dot com/socialservice. Comparison of all 911 video, NO PLANEs, but computer animation.
911research.dsl.pipex dot com/ggua175/ documents the computer animation of WTC2 fake plane.
07august 4 years ago
Well then, I guess I'll be the exception. What is it, in your view, that is ridiculous about the alternate collapse theory?
socratescafe 4 years ago
I`m an Irish man,we all over here still(just about)love America,,,,,,,,,but!!!!!!!we ALL hate your adminastration,,,,,,,,,,,,,americans why do you keep these people in government????????????WHY
setanta333 4 years ago 3
years of information and attitude starvation, various manipulations of media and social engineering.
gosciu555 4 years ago
Jesus came to this world to reveal that God is Love. He did not come here to be tortured to death. That was what the Jews ordained by falsifying evidence. They have never apologized. Christians who believe that it was God's will to tortured his son to death are buying into the religeon that Jesus attempted to put an end to: the religeon of appeasing vicious Satan with Pain and suffering and substitute victims.
monamontgomery 4 years ago
11 master occultists, kaballists, masons & witches Bush, Cheney, Ann Cappelletti, Tenet, Gates, Giuliani, Schwartzenegger, Silverstein, Soros and 33 degree mason Saddam Hussein executed 911 implosions for demonic power. John Cappelletti's demolition co. planted the explosives in WTC blgs for Silverstein, who signed a 99yr lease, 0701.
07august 4 years ago
Jesus died for Christians' sins and that scenario just continue, the sons and British and Americans are dying in Iraq for Blair's and Bush's sins, I like this idea, cause if I am gonna be a sinful man someone will die for my sin, why should I worry to sin then? I think it should be cross-fiction and not crucifixion.
znzutube 4 years ago
Brainphreak, an observation: You are certainly well versed on the details of evidence. Great! But you may not see the bigger picture, and disinfo agents will use that against you. lt5lee happily engages you in fruitless argument because you unwittingly help him draw attention away from what's important. We all know the official story is a lie and we now need to focus our attention on who's responsible. Let's all work toward exposing the real purpose behind 911 and the war on terror.
PeterHXX 4 years ago
true, I deleted most of his off topic comments now. Its such a waste of time
brainphreak 4 years ago
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mnarzfux 4 years ago
see you dont even know his story, havnt listened to his side, but made your decision... sad... pathetic.. and you try to act like some computer scientist.. hear one side of a story and thats enough to make your decision... just unbelievable.
brainphreak 4 years ago
that dont explain molten "steel" found int he basement, or molten steel samples recovered from the wreckage... nice try... go back to programming...
brainphreak 4 years ago
your an idiot, I am an electronic engineer, I have worked on OBP/BIOS before, I have programmed robotics in ASM. Nice try acting all smart, you cant do shit, Ill even give you my I.P. lamer... Reflash my bios? what the fuck school did you drop out of.. mwahahhaha you make me laugh. Search my name online, you will find articles and tutorials I have written and published about ASM and other languages.. I laugh at you... thanks for cheering me up.
brainphreak 4 years ago
have you taken your FDA prescribed SRI's today? I think your off your meds... get back to killing yourself slowly please..
brainphreak 4 years ago
Did you even listen to Kevin Ryans side of the story? apparently not buy the "discredited" info you are spewing.
brainphreak 4 years ago
yes, they believe whatever the 911 commission told them.
brainphreak 4 years ago
What are you talking about? The argument is the models DID show higher temperatures than expected. The models didnt come up with the numbers, the numbers were input into the model... look into how these 'recreations' are made. Its not a computer that inputs its own number of columns, temperatures etc. Those are input by the person CREATING the model.
brainphreak 4 years ago
the models actually did take into account the fire retardant, the amount suspected to be removed based on the energy and momentum of the plane and location it struck. They then used worst case scenario and models still passed.. they continued to add "false failures" to their models including reduction of columns, until they could finally get a failure based on innacurate science. Listen to Kevin Ryans talks. He worked for Underwriters Laboratory (UL) contracting to NIST
brainphreak 4 years ago
911 was an ISRAEL job. Mossad agents wired the WTC with explosives under direction of Silverstein and Netanyahu. Beware: many 911 truth activists (eg Alex Jones) are actually working for Israeli (Zionist) interests, and try to place all blame on the US govt while diverting our attention away from the primary culprits. Anyone who discusses 911 while avoiding evidence of Israeli involvement should be considered a Zionist disinfo agent. We must be suspicious of Bowman and those who do likewise.
PeterHXX 4 years ago
Bowman doesnt deny Israeli involvement? Where did you come up with this? antineocons and opposingdigits? Why not listen to the man or better yet even send him a message and talk to him! He doesnt claim involvement with anyone except the fact the government must have known. He doesnt say the CFR or Trilateral is involved either, does this mean he also works for them? ridiculous to be so paranoid that you beleive everyone who doesnt blame the jews exclusively is a zionist disinfo agent...
brainphreak 4 years ago
The reason I suspect Bowman is that he appears to be pushing the blame onto the wrong people. Those behind the attacks have appointed many false activists to trick us into attacking Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Giuliani - sacrificing some low-level players so that the main culprits get away free. I may be wrong about Bowman and I hope I am. He's more honest than Ron Paul. But unless he starts fingering the real culprits, it's wise to be suspicious.
PeterHXX 4 years ago
yes always wise to be suspicious , To accuse Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Guliani etc. and not go after israel is very different from "denying" Israel had any involvement. MANY countries were involved. If I dont name the UK, am I an MI5 agent? I hope you see my point. There are many people to go after, you cannot do anything blaming Israel as a country, you CAN do something about Cheney and Bush and those who support the crimes. Think globally, but act locally.
brainphreak 4 years ago
Good points. Yes several countries were involved but the Israeli Zionist regime was by far the biggest player. Can we do anything about it? Yes! How about boycotting their goods; cutting off their annual $3 billion in aid; stop supplying them weapons; arresting Chertoff and the AIPAC infiltrators. Act locally AND globally.
PeterHXX 4 years ago
Everyone is going to have different information and a different point of view. That in and of its self is no reason to be untrusting. There is a such thing as to paranoid.
Skorian007 4 years ago
I personally think he is focasing more on what's far more important then even pointing fingers. We are drowning in corruption and that is how this happened in the first place. We are squabiling(sp) over cents on the dollar while we are being robbed of much greater wealth. Inflation is being used on us as an invisible tax.
Skorian007 4 years ago
What - that a CFAST model based on the 1975 data is more accurate than the A-A model that didn't bother to check the temperatures or columns?
If that's a flaw - then stick to your own logic, I'll stick with apples to apples.
antiklaus 4 years ago
FYI, these CFAST models were not like the flawed NIST A-A structural models that had a 6x3 core and pretended that jet fuel burns at 1500C.
They model a HOT 800C fuel fire burning over several hours (ironically using data from the WTC fire in 1975 that burned hotter, longer, and did significantly less damage than the 2001 fires).
This is not an apples to orange model, but a model that is a direct derivation of WTC math to WTC physics.
antiklaus 4 years ago
Oh, I see, only a scientific measurement of the temperature is required to 'prove' anything to you? What about the software code, called CFAST?
CFAST (Consolidated Model of Fire Growth and
Smoke Transport)
If you had access to this, you'd know that the fires WERE modeled based upon observed smoke, fire, etc.
Results: WTC burns at a max of 450C in a few isolated pockets. The average steel temp was about 23C.
antiklaus 4 years ago
You are really thick aren't you?
I have never debated the validity of the actual temp vs strength chart. But taken out of context, it's utterly meaningless.
I can prove, for example, that the temperature of 600C was never reached in a majority of the steel from the WTC. And I can prove that the temperature of the fires was less than 600C. And the beams supposedly 'weakened' by heat were cooler than 100C over the bulk.
antiklaus 4 years ago
How could I know these things? Simple observation and science. Observations like black sooty smoke and people clinging to beams - and science like this:
every single combustible in the building = less total energy than is needed to heat the temperature of a single floor's steel more than 500C.
But conduction radiated heat, and we know the beams were raised on average, no more than 24C. Warm to the touch to be sure, but cool enough to cling for and wave for help!
antiklaus 4 years ago
I would discredit their 'facts' were there any at all to discredit. Seriously. It reads like an op ed piece.
They toss up random smatterings of data and try to make them correlate to apples and oranges... like your much lauded NIST steel strength vs temperature chart.
Nice try, but heat conduction (a scientific fact) and photographic evidence (factual) render it a completely inane and irrelevant hunk of information.
antiklaus 4 years ago
Oh, so 2000:1 live load ratio - divided by 10 = 200
That means the building still had the capability to support 200 times the load it was carrying.
And it fell why?
That's right... you cannot explain it without explosives.
antiklaus 4 years ago
British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900º C (1,500-1,700º F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600º C (1,100º F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments).
antiklaus 4 years ago
Unless you can prove to me that a girder that a girl can hang from is 800C and "Two isolated pockets of fire" according to a firefighter on the floor below the impact is enough to cause failure, I'm convinced the only failure here is your logic.
(FYI, even at 10% of it's capacity, you do realize the building was built with 2000:1 live load capacity right? meaning the tower would have stood for hours even at 1200C.
antiklaus 4 years ago
you realize that FIRE temperature does not equal STEEL temperature - or OOPS - did you not realize that little gem?
and as for your laughable little entry, I'll add there is this nifty little thing called 'conduction' - which allows heat to rapidly disperse through steel - try it with an iron skillet - the handle is hot isn't it?
The fires were low temperature (NYPD were saying 450C at best) - billowing black smoke... people hanging on to the walls.
antiklaus 4 years ago
How many structural engineers are in the 911 truth movement is a better question. But I will let you in on a tiny secret. The number is in the thousands. The only thing stifling most of them is fear of losing jobs that are related to the govt.
But who needs engineers to prove 911 was an inside job? Bush's own people do it. Norman Mineta, Rumsfeld, Cheney - all of them have testified as such.
antiklaus 4 years ago
I am a scientist with over a decade of chemical and engineering background, respectively.
I do not for a SECOND believe the official story as distributed by NIST and FEMA. I found so many glaring errors and lies that there is no way they did a serious study.
ever heard of the A-A WTC models that NIST cited? They had the burning temp of jet fuel at 1500C! (The actual temp was 800C) - and they modeled a core with 6 x 3 columns instead of 47!
antiklaus 4 years ago
Well, I don't think you are full of shit, and I DO think you have a brain. I do, however disagree with you, and resent being insulted by you.
Here is a movie you'll find if you cut, paste and search, here on YouTube.
9/11 Coincidence Theory
This is a long list of un-answered questions and a list of facts and a whole lot of things to think about, no matter what party you vote for, wether or not you believe in the 911 comission final report. Please watch it.
BrosaJarlen 4 years ago
If you really were an engineer then you would know what I am talking about. But all you can do is insult people and keep making the same nonsensical arguements over and over again. You keep questioning the credentials of others so prove your point and post yours if you have the guts.
LARGO125 4 years ago
Fighters were scrambled for "small" irregularities during the year prior to 9/11, such as flights not following allocated path, passenger-list discrepancies etc. INSIDE U.S. BORDERS. Several of the 19 "hi-jackers" have since 9/11 been observed and identified ALIVE!
But I'm not interrested in trying to convince you. Hell, you probably don't believe the Watergate break-in happened either.
BrosaJarlen 4 years ago
3. Doesn't it strike you as strange that two fighters could find this ONE LITTLE plane in Alaska, while just prior to that, NORAD couldn't find FOUR airliners (if that's what they were), over the eastern part of the lower 48.
BrosaJarlen 4 years ago
2. The fifth floor hit the fourth and damaged it badly. Some concrete even fell through to the third, but thats where it stopped. Pancake theory debunked! I haven't said word one about WTC 7. And if you believe the official CT, then I've got a bridge for sale. It's close to ground zero.
BrosaJarlen 4 years ago
1. You could have a professorate in engineering for all I care. Being an electrician, I took part in building the biggest hospital in Norway in '95. One concrete floor fell down and hit the next, due to insuff. welding.
BrosaJarlen 4 years ago
FEMALE?Go get a scan professor,something's short circuiting(not only some of your spelling)
Chillart 4 years ago
All the put options on A/A and UA in the days prior to 9/11 have never been investigated. The millions of dollars have not been collected either.
BrosaJarlen 4 years ago
Sounds like you're in fantasy land, lt5lee. Since you obviously believe the official CT. That's what it is, you know: The 911 Omissions Final Report is a CT.
BrosaJarlen 4 years ago
Try the path of least resistance theory. And then you'll know you've just disproved your own arguement and your own credentials as a scientist. Physics does not lie, but apparently you do
LARGO125 4 years ago
So if were making this all up how come lonelantern society documented the CIA Black Helicopters at the Truth Symposium. I wont get aids, cause I dont fuck looser whores like you do. I hope you get Gulf war syndrome.
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websuspect 4 years ago
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websuspect 4 years ago
Didn't one of these symposiums broadcast on CSPAN?
antiklaus 4 years ago
yep this was the one, search for "American Scholars Symposium" This was the same weekend but not the CSPAN footage.
brainphreak 4 years ago
HOW MUCH BUSH PAYS YOU TO COMMENBT EVERY MESSAGES?
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Chomskyno1 4 years ago
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wwwPNACATTACKcom 4 years ago
yeah sure try to echo the governments statement and call those looking for a new investigation (veterans, families of the victims, first responders etc.) all terrorists. Real American of you. Ignore the insider stock trades, the forewarnings to hundreds, the hindering of FBI investigations.. after all a structural engineer didnt tell you it was true.
brainphreak 4 years ago
Just to clarify your bold lies, nowhere on the site does it say it was only peer reviewed by 911 scholars. That is a lie. And to point out your OTHER lies or ignorance.
"some of which been peer reviewed."
Your Wrote: "Oh really, show ONE!!!!!!!!!!"
Lie and Done. "there are already over thirty-five peer-reviewed papers at the Journalof911Studies dot com." You make shit up because you have nothing.
brainphreak 4 years ago
Ok, this is my last post then Ill let your garbage spew on this page (notice I dont delete your comments, even though your often off topic, repeating yourself etc.) I am fine with "rational thought, known engineering principals and real knowledge of historical facts" it is easy to stand behind, YOU are the one who bums me out for being so stupid and unwilling to discuss anything contrary to your own 911 commission belief system. You are master of the straw man.
brainphreak 4 years ago
again your repeating, I think in about 2 posts I will complete my useless battle to educate you. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make a horses ass drink. Go to journalof911studies dot com for peer reviewed papers. That is all. Anyone reading this can find them there regardless of your "claims" and "willful ignorance".
brainphreak 4 years ago
You said: "If you believe any of the 911 CT, you're in fantasy land." implying that ANYTHING (subject or topic) against the official story, is a fantasy. You my friend are an idiot, I really shouldnt have to explain the "difference" between a "person" and a "thing" to anyone over age 6. I should really get paid to speak to someone of your low intellect. It bums me out.
brainphreak 4 years ago
I think your in the wrong video, go to some environmentalist video and nuclear power video to talk about that, last I checked this thread and video is about the 9/11 terror attacks. Quite grasping straws and drown already...
brainphreak 4 years ago
RE: "The good thing about science & mathematical principals are they are not up for discussion." Exactly.. and you choose to listen to the "opinion" of the 911 commission report which in itself says that it cannot explain things like WTC7... The NIST as well.. and then you ignore the scientific papers which show the math, show the physics, some of which been peer reviewed. Its the classic tactic of a weak mind.
brainphreak 4 years ago
"If they were held responsible for their lies you would see a different opinion"
Yeah same can be said about the present government... but we both know how that is being run. One of us just chooses to ignore the corruption and pretend everything is just fine.
brainphreak 4 years ago
Did you really run out of material already? Resorting to arguing about things never once said and then repeating earlier arguments? *repeating piece of shit. *unoriginal bastard. (*borrowed from Adam Sandler).
I dont have time to do a waltz in circles with your sorry ass.
brainphreak 4 years ago
again you dont know how to read, need serious reading comprehension classes.. Nowhere in any post have I ever used the term "every single person", go ahead and look for yourself.. idiot...
brainphreak 4 years ago
Oh ok, so nuclear power is the only alternative energy? and environmentalists doomed all the environment? up is down and the earth is flat too right?
brainphreak 4 years ago
Yeah there is no suppression of free energy, we are dependent on oil because there is no such thing as an alternative fuel. I see.. thanks for clearing that up too... If any superior technology exists, the everyday person would always have access to it and be using it right? ok I see.
brainphreak 4 years ago
Sure every single thing everyone talks about that goes against the official story (even though the official story in itself is a conspiracy.. maybe you should look up the term) means I am in fantasy land.. sure.. the government is all knowing and unless they say it, it cant possibly be true. I see.
brainphreak 4 years ago
So you say she is a credited engineer and a screwball, so all engineers relating to 911 investigations are also insane? yet you show one engineer disagrees with Jones and that proves the whole theory is wrong? A little hypocritical don't you think? 3 letters next to your name don't make you infallible... This is why its wise to READ, and not just listen to other peoples opinions...
brainphreak 4 years ago
RE: "its not their job to support the personal lives of professors in their university"
YES, that it is exactly their job.
No their job is to educate children and hire teachers, not go into the personal lives of their employees to agree with their possible political agendas.. you are seriously mistaken.
brainphreak 4 years ago
they have been debunked numerous times, search google for "debunking 911 myths" and "debunking popular mechanics". Judy Wood is not even part of scholars for 911 truth and justice, Steven Jones is, your looking at Fetzers group which Jones is not a part of, yes they are a bit looney, and not affiliated in any way to jones group, they have distanced from one another long ago due to Fetzers and Woods, strange theories.
brainphreak 4 years ago
Your creating straw men... look it up if you dont know the term. Judy did not write about the planes crashing into buildings. Steven jones did not write about the planes crashing into buildings. Jones wrote about the traces of elements found in the metal, this is sound science if you actually read it and dont try hard for people to hand feed you their opinion. Ever try thinking for yourself? Do you call a doctor everytime you have hunger pains to be sure your hungry too?
brainphreak 4 years ago
"conducted research at the Idaho National Laboratory, from 1979 to 1985 as senior engineering specialist. Was the principal investigator for experimental Muon-catalyzed fusion from 1982 to 1991 for the U.S. Department of Energy.
-much more experience removed to save space-
Jones specializes in metal-catalyzed fusion, archaeometry and solar energy."
"Archaeological science includes:
Physical and chemical dating methods which provide archaeology with absolute and relative chronologies."
brainphreak 4 years ago
Steven Jones also is not the only person who has done peer reviewed studies, check scholars for truth and justice, check journal of 911 studies, there are plenty of peer reviewed studies... maybe even try reading a book like "911 sythetic terror" "911 ommissions and distortions" maybe listen to the first responders who were there and are fighting for their lives now? no, just believe one guy, and grasp at straws to debunk one person so your fantasy will survive.
brainphreak 4 years ago
Of course the college with not support Jones papers on the subject, its not their job to support the personal lives of professors in their university, specifically when they get their funding from the very person(s) being implicated in the crime. Is that all you have? come on, you can do better than that...
brainphreak 4 years ago
Why dont you go look at "architects and engineers for 911 truth" "veterans for 911 truth" "pilots for 911 truth" "republicans for 911 truth" "scholars for 911 truth" "journal of 911 studies" "911truth dot org" created by families and victims of the 911 tragedy. and the countless other sites. Or you can ignore them and believe one engineer who disagrees without proving why, and call US all nuts.
brainphreak 4 years ago
sounds like what your doing, cherry pick the few who disagree with Jones and call it fact. For every one you show me I can provide two others, Its a waste. I dont rely on so called "experts" on the subject when I am fully capable of weighing the evidence with my own expertise. You dont need to be a specialist in "collapse forensics" as you say to find chemical traces in steel.
brainphreak 4 years ago
ok because you say so, you must be the authority and you must be right. I think Ill ignore all the facts in those papers now. I will ignore my engineering background and ability to READ papers myself even in absence of peer review, Ill ignore verified peer reviewed documents.. because you after all must be smarter than all of us. Thanks a bunch for setting us straight!
brainphreak 4 years ago
Do your own homework slacker, I sent you the links to the papers and information. Learn how to surf the web to more places than just youtube. If you know the nature of peer review, they are done by a committee for peer review, the names of each individual on the committe is general never disclosed. This is how science works...
brainphreak 4 years ago
I think your confusing barrett with jones? Jones is a Mormon... He has peer reviewed work, and so do others at journalof911studies dot com or stj911 dot org , anyone can see for themselves. Wasnt JUST traces of sulfer either, that was only ONE discovery, did you even read his papers?
brainphreak 4 years ago
those tapes have not all been released and you know it too, you do not need close to 6 years to study something when you have already come to the conclusion of what happened. I'm sorry but nobody can convince the the official story is true, it just doesn't make any sense. I've fought in iraq because of this story.
thekidfromphilly 4 years ago
LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. Hello. Planting devices for a demolitions takes planning and weeks, to my knowledge. THAT in itself implies foreknowledge, which implies an inside job. Think and stop listening to the disinformation. What, are you masochistic?
jjtsmom 4 years ago
Quit what drugs? You really are psychotic. GO BACK TO SLEEP. ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz. U R not Free. Say it with me, "I am not Free."
jjtsmom 4 years ago
I thought you said you knew the principles of physics? Face it. Just face it. Your government LIED. But you're so invested in staving off anxiety, that you're fixed on believing Big Brother is here to PROTECT you, that you refuse to admit anything that jeopardizes your cozy delusions of a benevolent government.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
I'm tired of arguing with someone who is so short-sighted. But, okay, cite your sources.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
why did they confiscate the film from the gas station across from the pentagon, why not just release those and put all this to rest. I have a better question where is the plane that crashed in the pentagon. don't tell me that a plane that big made a hole that small.
thekidfromphilly 4 years ago
How does this prove that 9/11 was not an inside job? Anyway, I told you, I'm done. Good luck to you. Last words: turn off your television.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
Okay. I bet that's what the German people said. Look up and analyze the Military Commissions and Patriot Acts.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
OMG! "Cheney never did anything wrong"? I bet you watch the O'Lielly Factor, don't you? You mkae me laugh. I'm glad my 5 o'clcok cancelled.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
So now I'm suppoed to be psychic too? Next time tell me you've changed topics. Then go take a debate class. Or an english comp class. Go back to your wrenches and oil rags.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
Yeah, Dick's a generous guy. Right. Ever heard of a tax write off? Well off? Yeah, millions he's making while my son and thousands like him fight an unjust war in Iraq, next Iran, then Syria... And for what? So Dick can pump his oil through the Cheney pipeline? Don't make me cry. My son is fighting for you? If you love Cheney so much, why don't you go fight in Iraq?
jjtsmom 4 years ago
You really are brainwashed, aren't you. There's an impeachment in process! But I bet if you caught Cheney holding an M-16 and standing over a corpse you'd blame it on, well, I don't know, whoever Popular Mechanics tells you to blame it on;)
jjtsmom 4 years ago
Then why do you keep bringing up Gore and Clinton? You appear to want to spark a Rep-Dem war. It's a facade. Go hug Dick Cheney... or Al Gore for that matter. But don't expect them to exempt you when they send the rest of us off to detainment camps after the next 9/11 they're planning. Go back to sleep.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
Define "delusional." lol. If you KNEW about mainstream media you wouldn't depend upon Popular mechanics for your political info. Disinformation.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
It STILL doesn't explain the symmentrical collapse. And I don't care if Jesus himself owns stock in Halliburton. That fact is completely irrelevant.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
The ALLEGED gash in WTC 7 was an 18 story-gash. And even if one believes this claim, it still doesn't explain the implausible symmetrical collpase.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
(Sound the buzzer) XX Wrong XX Cheney continues to receive upwards of $1 million annually from Halliburton. Anyway, lt5lee, when you decide to stop hurling insults and present accurate facts pertinent to the issues, I'll gladly debate. Bye now.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
Clinton and Gore... How did they enter into this discussion? Stop assuming I'm a democrat. Clinton & Gore are NWO-mongers just like Bush/Cheney.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
"Sandy 'Burglar' stealing..." AhA! So you admit there is a cover up. Gotcha! I agree. They both should be charged with treason.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
Soros... Yeah. So does Michael Moore... does that make everyone who believes there's a rat in the White House a liar? That's Popular Mechanic logic for you. Better tighten those lug nuts lt5lee:)
jjtsmom 4 years ago
No, "you ignorance" is dominated by "popular myth." Anyone who believes that mainstream corporate-owned media is feeding you the truth is definitely in need of an education. Take the red pill. Or does that scare you too much?
jjtsmom 4 years ago
Are you assuming I'm a democrat? LOL? The bipartisan paradigm is a lie. Clinton is just as guilty as the current administration! Lot's of us complained about Clinton. Where where you?
jjtsmom 4 years ago
And I'm tired of paying tax dollars to fund the military-industrial war complex. Cheney and his Halliburton scum... wait a second! lt5lee? Maybe YOUR'RE Cheney. Hey, Dick, shoot anybody lately?
jjtsmom 4 years ago
"Trusting your own eyes." That was your first mistake. Ever heard of the Availability Heuristic? Ever been to the WTC? Take a look at bldg 7 in relation to the twin towers. No plane hit this bldg. Small, confined fires. Yet it collapsed. Silberman admitted it was a controlled demolition which takes planning, which means they had forewarning. Who were the tenants of bldg 7? Hmm. I'll let you figure that one out.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
your right i remember watching the guy that owns building 7 admitting that they pulled the building, but people still refuse to believe it, even though it's coming from the horses mouth.
thekidfromphilly 4 years ago
"Nutty Porfessors..." It's just as I thought, my friend; you've been watching too much Disney...or Fox. Why were they fired? Hmm. Think about that. Fired for blowing the whistle... Cheney and Silberman are running scared. Tee-shirt sales? How about $9 billion in goverment contracts to Halliburton and Co? Who stands to lose more? Turn off your television. Your brains cells are dying.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
"Real Engineers..." in Popular Mechanics. Joke. Who owns this publication and others like it? Neo-Con whores. If you want the truth about a crime, do you really expect to receive honest answers from the lying perpetrators and those in their employ? Mainstream media is corrupt. Seriously, if you want fairy tales, keep on reading Hurst propaganda.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
The 9/11 Commission Report is the real fairy tale. Since when are criminals allowed to choose their own "investigators"? And "no contradictions"? LOL. Ask the families of 9/11 victims what they think of your official report. No there's a conspiracy theory.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
My understanding is that Steven Jones was attempting to promote tolerance of Islam instead of the blind hatred promoted by military-psy-op-style media and bought hook-line-and-sinker by the masses. It's no different that the Nazi propaganda against Jews.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
Why not try debating like rational men......? Isn't the idea to find the truth or is that secondary to name calling and insults?
The skeptics are getting scared, they're on the offense now after 5 years.
brokencasket 4 years ago
Neurochemistry what? Duh... Google scholars for 911 truth, Dr. Steven Jones- a physics prof, etc. Oh. Wait. Don't bother. All "Gibberish." Go back to school. Or sleep.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
if you dont trust bowman why not look to peer reviewed science and the COUNTLESS other credible sources? instead of trying to find your weakest link and grasp at straws.. attack the messenger, never the message.. journalof911studies dot com stj911 dot org (peer reviewed science)
brainphreak 4 years ago
lol. "worked with Ph.D's" where? On the therapist's couch?
jjtsmom 4 years ago
Well, you asked if I was a moron. No, I'm not. So why don't you stop bullying everyone here with your infantile name-calling and present facts to susbstantiate your assertions?
jjtsmom 4 years ago
PS- are you so invested in clinging to your preconceived ideas and being "right" that you're willing to believe a lie? 9/11 WAS an inside job. I've researched both sides. The evidence is overwhelming.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
what does "KGB" have to do with it? And FYI- I Summa Cum Laude and have a doctorate in psychology, but yeah, I s'pose you're right; I'm a dumbass.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
No, lt5lee, we should believe everything we hear in mainstream media. lol. Do a little research on military psy op's media manipulation.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
amaZING PPL ARE starting to wake up
hopefully truth will prevail
it always does
until america stops being run by jews its end is its future
poodleinsky 4 years ago
i think people don't want to believe that the government had somin to do with 9/11, i mean thats the only way i can explain there ignorance.
thekidfromphilly 4 years ago
You're right. The Bush Administration has created a climate of fear which perpetuates dependency. If they admitted that our government is capable of such corruption it would shatter their carefully-maintained delusions of safety.
jjtsmom 4 years ago
This guy has great credentials; don't know why he would throw in with the conspriracy crowd. The US government had nothing to do with the events of 9/11. They had <i>everything</i> to do with exploiting the events for their own agenda. Barking up the conspiracy tree is counterproductive.
bapyou 4 years ago
yep your one of a kind... too bad your too stupid to be able to update wikipedia than... it only takes a few clicks... guess your not up for the challenge.. all that aside, it has nothing to do with 9/11.. you are off topic.. you would rather attack the messenger than the message. Go back to sheep.. or I mean sleep
brainphreak 4 years ago
Saddam in 2000 started to denominate all oil sales in Euros and was making 15-17% more money then the rest of the middle eastern countries. Iraq is the #2 oil producing country in the world and this was a threat to the dollar. Keep in mind at one point Saddam was a CIA asset that fled to Syria.
Knighttrader 4 years ago
By the way maybe you should look up "ad hominem" and "straw man" while your there... I see your the type who judges PEOPLE not the words they speak. Attack the messenger not the message. Classic tactic for a failure who cant speak logically about an issue. Are you a bigot too?
brainphreak 5 years ago
maybe you should go update wikipedia if you really believe that? This way its not just YOUR word.. your PEERS can verify your work. Thats how a normal society reaches the truth. Wikipedia doesnt even say its controversial. So maybe mark it as unverified? Then it can be fixed. Sounds like YOUR the ONLY one who knows? wow
brainphreak 5 years ago
I Love Bob Bowman he is a True Patriot Thank you Sir for all that you do to get the Truth Out ^^~
babykitkat01 5 years ago
you are insane, he worked in the star wars program under reagan even... why not check wikipedia for some information, or google it.. "Robert M. Bowman (born 1934) was a former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations, and a former United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel with 101 combat missions. He holds a Ph.D. in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from the California Institute of Technology."
brainphreak 5 years ago
I want to upload a mantage of Bill O'Reilly on his tabloid tv show he hosted for years talking about UFO's and Bigfoot as facts as he now up-talks Bush/Cheney and the Neo-Con agenda.... I might get banned though, Free Speech is getting torched in the USA, the last thing left is the internet.... Sign the 9/11 petitions, links on my website or google it!
MikeHawkins 5 years ago
Can't you see the Jew hiding behind the Bush in the Whitehouse....Look closer....
nickelbird103 5 years ago
Wake up America! 9/11 was a setup by the government, it is the only way to explain what happened (how the terrorists got so lucky, how the reinforced steel buildings fell so quickly). Wake up and smell the TRUTH!
Mariachi153 5 years ago
Keep up goiod works! This man is a true Patriot and a Good human!
wwwPNACATTACKcom 5 years ago
go to other video comments and direct people to robert bowman lets get the truth out
ronny2471 5 years ago
at the least, they let it happen - - wake up America
JFK RFK MLK all good Americans, all murdered
flowerpunkchip 5 years ago