Both net books and the iPad have their practical implications. For example I bought an iPad for simple leisure tasks whereas I'm buying a net book to display and edit work whilst I'm in college and what's not
I think my argument, which is valid, is the cost of adding 3G, seriously $130 for 3G when a majority cost is between $20-$60 for 3G. My guess is the $130 is to subsidize the cost of the 3G service. I've read that Apple will make about $200 or more per iPad. I think the cost of each ipad should be $100 less than it is now, then and only then will people think about getting it.
Clearly you don't seeing as I shut your ass up earlier.
I'm not making excuses.
check it
explanation |ˌekspləˈnā sh ən|
noun
a statement or account that makes something clear
If you don't understand that SOLID STATE costs more than HARD DISK. That LEDBACKLIT IPS displays cost more than TN panel displays or that different things are different...
Then there's NO hope for you. You clearly DON'T know.
You didn't shut me up I got tired of talking to you is all and I still am tired of talking to you why don't you just go bother someone else.
I already know that do you read my comments at all or do you just respond with BS to every comment you respond to I never said that SSD was cheaper than HDD my argument AGAIN is that HDD lasts longer than SSD NOW FUCK OFF.
Yes I did. You came in with some shit about limited read write, which i already know about and I responded with the fact that Hard Disk Drives are prone to failure when exposed to constant vibration while in use. Then you didn't have anything to say after that.
Not in a device like a media player that you are constantly moving around!
That's why most media players use solid state storage these days!
Seriously, if Apple WANTED to use a hard drive in the iPad, they could have and it would have cost them LESS for them to do so in manufacturing costs.
Hard drives in media devices suck because the moving and vibrations can easily kill the HDD, and also smaller HDD's in small media devices are also less reliable because they are not designed to read and write like crazy like desktop and laptop HDD's. Great way to kill your iPod's hard drive is iPod Linux
"Hard drives in media devices suck because the moving and vibrations can easily kill the HDD, and also smaller HDD's in small media devices are also less reliable because they are not designed to read and write like crazy like desktop and laptop HDD's. Great way to kill your iPod's hard drive is iPod Linux"
Dumbass, I'm not making excuses because the iPad does not suck.
You guys are the ones judging this device without understanding the fundamental differences in the technology.
Seriously, none of you bitches seem to know that solid state storage costs a lot more than hard disk storage even when the correlating evidence is clear as day.
>I understand the LIMITED tech in the iPad compared to a Netbook.
For starters, iPad isn't a netbook. Secondly, let's see how many people CARE. So far, pre orders on the iPad are fantastic.
>I know SSD cost's more than HDD that's not my argument
Well tell 4N0NYM0U557 that shit, because he doesn't know.
>don't make me make you leave.
LOL, is that a threat? Think about that the next time you get pissyu at someone for banning your ass because you got vulgar or obscene with them, kid.
ssds DO cost more than HDD. where is the problem? you seem to create them for no reason.
all i'm saying is that there are exceptions and that with a HDD you get more storage, but with an SSD you get less storage, but better speeds and reliability.
i'll ask you again: is there something wrong with what i just said?
>ssds DO cost more than HDD. where is the problem?
There's no problem as long as you understand that a device that has a SSD, has a component that costs MORE than the drive in the other device that has a HDD.
We're talking about PRICE here dumbass. You called the ipad overpriced. It can't be overpriced if its parts cost more to manufacture. By that logic, a pound of gold is OVERPRICED compared to a pound of lead.
Hard drive failure accounts for as much as half of reported problems. Carrying around a device powered by a delicate spinning drive does seem like a recipe for disaster; sometimes we find it amazing that hard drive based music players outlast their warranty at all. The newer flash-based iPod Shuffle and Nano have no drives and show markedly better reliability (Nano's scratch-prone facing aside). Active users should strongly consider Shuffle and Nano.
>do you have any sources about ipod touches r/w speeds?
I know that the ipod nano is faster than the cheaper drive that you listed. It has a write speed of over 70mbps. I also know that the ipod touch isn't slowass like the cheaper one.
where did i say that ssd dont cost more than hdd? all i was saying is - is it really THAT worth it? dont get me wrong here, ssd with write speeds of 300MB/s are really great (expensive tho), but simply great!
on the other hand - for an ssd that has pretty much the same r/w speeds as the good-old hdd, is it worth to give that much more money, yet get less storage space? heres some examples:
butthurt fanboys that don't know a damn thing about solid state vs hdd price differences and downvote those that DO know the difference.
Hey, enjoy having spinning disks, file corruption resulting from minor impact, with crappy performance and battery life in your mobile devices, ladies.
Enjoy a Disk that dies after a set point of read and write times bitch.
Proof - Flash-memory drives have limited lifetimes and will often wear out after 1,000,000 to 2,000,000 write cycles (1,000 to 10,000 per cell) for MLC, and up to 5,000,000 write cycles (100,000 per cell) for SLC. Special file systems or firmware designs can mitigate this problem by spreading writes over the entire device, called wear leveling
>Enjoy a Disk that dies after a set point of read and write times
Oh?
Where are all the dead iPhone FLASH DRIVES????
Also, as I recall, HARD DRIVES wear out too! in fact, having a hard drive in a portable device shortens its lifespan significantly! And when they go down, they go down HARD.
If you think ANY storage solution will last forever, you are out of your fucking mind!
Hmm, nope. it will be in my hand. Like a book. That's what it is designed for. Like, if I'm playing a game, I can change the orientation on the fly. same thing for reading a book or watching a movie.
>where are all the dead macbooks?
My macbook remains stationary a majority of the time, WHILE IT IS ON. The iPad is not intended to remain stationary while it is on.
Seriously, I've used a laptop, in a car, that hit a pothole. I KNOW that isn't good for my data.
Because it costs more to MAKE than a netbook and an iPod Touch.
Look at netbooks that have capacitive touchscreens. Notice that they all cost over $500 without having solid-state-storage, an IPS display or even 3g in many cases.
you cant do the math, so let me do it for you: iPad (gigabytes): 16>32 -difference is 16GB and $100 32>64 -difference is 32GB and $100 iPod Touch: 8>16 -difference is 8GB and $100 16>32 -difference is 16GB and $100 32>64 -difference is 32GB and $100 see how illogical their pricing is?? and whats up with you and solid-state-storage? ipad uses the same flash memory as the ipod, iphone, etc.... since the 3g ipad costs $130 extra, if we take away 3g from the 16GB iphone 3gs, it would cost $70?
>a netbook beter than this is FAAAR more apps (windows)
more apps that don't run very well and aren't optimized for the hardware that they have to run on.
Seriously, you're not going to be modeling in 3ds MAX or working in photoshop on a netbook. You're going to be surfing the web, instant messaging and MAYBE watching a video.
1) face it, windows has more apps available than the app store - apps that are far more useful in real life than all that basic crap in the appstore that is optimized for such weak hardware found in iphone/pod/pad compared to a real netbook
and maybe watching a video?
i sure will be watching videos on a 1.66ghz cpu - with no problem!
2) nice trick choosing the one of the most expensive flash cards on newegg..
32GB: Item=N82E16820134901
64GB: Item=N82E16820161353
the thing with the ipod is that is has enough room in it to put 2 flash memory chips, so the 16GB model actually has 2 8GB memory chips, which is probably the same case with the ipad because it is a quite large device (iphone on the other hand has space limitations, that is why you only see a 32GB model, and no 64GB)
1) the ipad isn't out yet. even if it had the read/write of those drives, that still doesn't change the FACT that solid state storage costs MUCH MORE than hard disk drives.
2) i read that part. you didn't make your case as it was 100% supposition and speculation. the point of my entire argument is that SOLID STATE STORAGE cost more than HARD DISK DRIVES. And that is a fact.
Seriously, if Apple didn't think that solid state was a good thing, then they would use ipod drives in all their devices
>the point of MY argument is that apple's pricing is seriously fucked up
You don't know a damn thing about what the parts COST. how the fuck can you determine whether the price is fair or not?
seriously, no matter HOW you look at it, solid state storage costs MUCH MORE per the gb than a hard disk does! The only way to get even close is to pick the slowest, most off brand SHIT out there and call it the same, like you've been doing.
no, they aren't guessing, they're estimating (there IS a difference)
and we're not talking about $300 netbooks....
Item=N82E16834131056
a $600-ish netbook (from my example) has more and BETTER parts, thus costs more to manufacture. i still cant understand why a device that is smaller, weaker, slower -like ipad, costs more than a $600 netbook
tho, ipad has better battery life (which is expected from a device with a 1ghz cpu, not a -real- os and lack of features) and a capacitive touchscreen, it has far less memory, a worse screen, no camera, no keyboard, a slower CPU, no usbs, etc, etc, etc....
The screen on the iPad is a LED backlit IPS panel. You don't get any better quality than that. That netbook has a shitty TN panel display.
Also, look at the reviews. those guys are complaining about how slow that netbook is 'for the price'. Get that shit out of my face.
> far less memory
that netbook only has 2 gigs of ram. Hardly a lot more. Also, the bottom line is which one performs faster and more fluidly. That netbook is a piece of shit.
it takes some research to do, which i tbh, dont feel like doing....but thanx for proving my point - by your logic, that $600 netbook actually costs $300 to manufacture, thus makes the ipad look even more overpriced
but, let me ask you- what do you think how much it costs to manufacture an ipad?
oh, and good luck reading e-books on an LED backlit ips panel display....you may need sunglasses! (LOL)
yeah, hardly a lot more, just twice as more (i read some reviews saying that the ipad has 1GB....)
which performs faster and more fluidly? did you see macward's video showing off windows 7 ultimate on a netbook? did you see that it had aero and how fluid it was? of course you didnt....
>but the 64GB model costs $700 and guess what, a $600 netbook has 4 times more!
ipad= solid state storage
Netbook= hard disk drive
WHICH COSTS MORE?
A 64gb flash drive? snipurl . c o m / uup2m
Or a 250gb hard drive? snipurl. c o m / uup38
I already told you WHY they used solid state instead of hard disk! Hard disks are FAILURE PRONE. if they wanted to,m they could have used ipod hard drives, but that would have been a bad idea! They did the right thing by going solid state.
If Apple wanted to, they could have used iPod hard drives which have more storage and COST LESS. But those are hard drives, not solid state. It is ONLY LOGICAL, that their reason for NOT using them, is due to the UNRELIABILITY of hard drives in devices like the iPad.
Your logic is what's fucked up.
You're suggesting that they are using MORE EXPENSIVE components to OVERPRICE instead of using the cheap shit which won't be as good. DOES NOT COMPUTE!
>16GB model as an example- then the netbook from my example has 16 times more memory, for just $100 more!
16 gb solid state storage costs the only a LITTLE less than a 250 gb hard drive. Look at the prices. The price difference between the two is way less than $100.
a good old 250GB hard drive has about the same or somewhat lower r/w speeds than the solid-state memory in the ipad, but that difference is really pathetic compared to how much more storage you get. and since the netbook is a device similar to a laptop, you'll be holding it in your lap - stationary - and by doing that you'll be preventing future failures from happening. and THAT is why i believe that a netbook is a better choice than the ipad
....which is the point of my entire fucking argument!
>a good old 250GB hard drive has about the same or somewhat lower r/w speeds than the solid-state memory in the ipad
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH R/W SPEEDS!
It has to do with RELIABILITY!
>you'll be holding it in your lap - stationary - and by doing that you'll be preventing future failures from happening.
I already said that dumbass! I also said that the iPAD WON'T be used like that. It is designed to be moved around constantly to NOT be required to be stationary.
> i believe that a netbook is a better choice than the ipad
THAT'S YOUR OPINION!
I personally ALREADY have a full sized laptop with great battery life! So, a NETBOOK, is fucking worthless to me. The iPad is a different device you tard.
you're moving your ipod classic all the time, do those hdd also fail like crazy? and people run with those in their pockets
since when are we talking about you? we're talking in general and lets face it, people who already have a laptop wont buy this -and that is a lot of people!
who said ipad was a netbook? i said a netbook is a better choice
looks like you need a loong nap -CALM DOWN! if exchanging opinions and arguing pisses you off like that, i'd suggest you take a nap or visit a shrink..
By comparing them, you are suggesting that they are the same thing with the same purpose, which is far from the truth. The iPad is more of an UMPC, if anything.
By comparing them I am comparing what they offer I am not suggesting that the iPad is a Netbook or that a Netbook is a iPad who gave you that idea anyway ow is it some kind of rule for Apple lovers to use to make there product seem better.
Secondly, Think about how you sound. When the iPhone came out, guys like you were bashing it on the same stuff and saying that blackberry/nokia/whatever offered more.
Then what happened?
It came out, proved to be WAY more versatile than everyone originally thought and became one of the best selling single smartphones on the market with tons of copycats.
you see? i can be an asshole just like you and ask ridiculous things. you are already blocked by numerous users for being an obnoxious asshole which you are being right now: "Hey, go ahead and block away, nancy. It's clear that I won here. lol". let me ask you -how old are you? because you're acting like a child which is the reason why i (and many other people) blocked you. and this is not the first time you saying that "i won in an argument! yay" thing!
open your mind for other things - things that are not apple made (like respect and maturity) - stop living in a closed environment where everything "just works" and face the reality. stop acting like a child and grow up, you might earn some respect from people other than macward or applesoldier.
now, these were my last words for you, you can contact me when you grow up, and until then, goodbye
Both net books and the iPad have their practical implications. For example I bought an iPad for simple leisure tasks whereas I'm buying a net book to display and edit work whilst I'm in college and what's not
kahuna3901 1 year ago
ipad vs netbook???? wtf? like cows vs potatoes?
cyprusboy56 1 year ago
@cyprusboy56
Go cry somwhere else I am very close to blocking you for trolling
DarthCaboose2321 1 year ago
@DarthCaboose2321 can't deal with my comments? so sad....
cyprusboy56 1 year ago
@cyprusboy56
No I can deal with it but when you make that many comments to me shows me that you have no life outside of youtube LoL
DarthCaboose2321 1 year ago
@DarthCaboose2321 i don't spent my life bashing 13 year olds you know
cyprusboy56 1 year ago
@cyprusboy56
Nope but you sure do live in youtube and have nothing outside it LoL.
BTW neither do I one video I did that but if they tell lies I will make a video regardless of age.
DarthCaboose2321 1 year ago
@DarthCaboose2321 just because i commented on your pointless video i have no life. ok!! whatever
cyprusboy56 1 year ago
@cyprusboy56
No cause you made 11 Comments to me you have no life.
DarthCaboose2321 1 year ago
@DarthCaboose2321 you are such an idiot, i wont respond to you anymore.
cyprusboy56 1 year ago
@cyprusboy56
Oh giving up your no fun.
DarthCaboose2321 1 year ago
The 3G is version is overpriced. Cost of adding 3G is between $20-$60, so why is it $130. Is it to subsidize the cost of AT&T 3G service?
blacksteel25 2 years ago
>Cost of adding 3G is between $20-$60, so why is it $130.
Ummmmmm Look at the cost of adding integrated 3g to a mobile device, not a phone. I've seen 3g capability cost up to $200 extra on some devices.
Look at how much a MiFi costs. I was going to get one of those and a wifi iPad, until I saw how much a MiFi costs and then looked at the service plan.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
I think my argument, which is valid, is the cost of adding 3G, seriously $130 for 3G when a majority cost is between $20-$60 for 3G. My guess is the $130 is to subsidize the cost of the 3G service. I've read that Apple will make about $200 or more per iPad. I think the cost of each ipad should be $100 less than it is now, then and only then will people think about getting it.
blacksteel25 2 years ago 2
Isn't the iPad considered a mobile Tablet.
blacksteel25 2 years ago
Yes, it is a mobile tablet.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
LOL at sc0pl355 trying make excuses for the ipads suckfullness
codebean 2 years ago
He's just butthurt over this video LoL.
DarthCaboose2321 2 years ago
Nah dude, you're the ones that are butthurt.
You guys do nothing but sit around and bitch over shit that you clearly do not understand.
All of you get all whiney every time Apple releases something new that people, WITH MONEY, happen to like and buy.
That's why you guys spend so much time hating on Apple.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Thanks for the laugh were butthurt LoL.
Look I know what I am talking about.
Now please go bother someone else please I am tired of you and your pathetic excuses.
DarthCaboose2321 2 years ago
>Look I know what I am talking about.
Clearly you don't seeing as I shut your ass up earlier.
I'm not making excuses.
check it
explanation |ˌekspləˈnā sh ən|
noun
a statement or account that makes something clear
If you don't understand that SOLID STATE costs more than HARD DISK. That LEDBACKLIT IPS displays cost more than TN panel displays or that different things are different...
Then there's NO hope for you. You clearly DON'T know.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
You didn't shut me up I got tired of talking to you is all and I still am tired of talking to you why don't you just go bother someone else.
I already know that do you read my comments at all or do you just respond with BS to every comment you respond to I never said that SSD was cheaper than HDD my argument AGAIN is that HDD lasts longer than SSD NOW FUCK OFF.
DarthCaboose2321 2 years ago
>You didn't shut me up
Yes I did. You came in with some shit about limited read write, which i already know about and I responded with the fact that Hard Disk Drives are prone to failure when exposed to constant vibration while in use. Then you didn't have anything to say after that.
Dumbass status=
[x]TOLD
[ ]Not TOLD
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Dumbass you just owned yourself look at my iPad Vs Netbook Part 2 video I responded to that statement there LoL.
No need for a Dumbass status with you cause your always a dumbass.
DarthCaboose2321 2 years ago
>HDD lasts longer than SSD
Not in a device like a media player that you are constantly moving around!
That's why most media players use solid state storage these days!
Seriously, if Apple WANTED to use a hard drive in the iPad, they could have and it would have cost them LESS for them to do so in manufacturing costs.
They already use hard drives in the iPod Classic.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
I will stand by my statement HDD's last longer than SSD in any device
DarthCaboose2321 2 years ago
Hard drives in media devices suck because the moving and vibrations can easily kill the HDD, and also smaller HDD's in small media devices are also less reliable because they are not designed to read and write like crazy like desktop and laptop HDD's. Great way to kill your iPod's hard drive is iPod Linux
ASCII808 2 years ago
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"Hard drives in media devices suck because the moving and vibrations can easily kill the HDD, and also smaller HDD's in small media devices are also less reliable because they are not designed to read and write like crazy like desktop and laptop HDD's. Great way to kill your iPod's hard drive is iPod Linux"
THANK YOU ASCII808!
At least you understand what I'm talking about!
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Dumbass, I'm not making excuses because the iPad does not suck.
You guys are the ones judging this device without understanding the fundamental differences in the technology.
Seriously, none of you bitches seem to know that solid state storage costs a lot more than hard disk storage even when the correlating evidence is clear as day.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Yea you are making excuses.
I understand the LIMITED tech in the iPad compared to a Netbook.
I know SSD cost's more than HDD that's not my argument dumbass my argument is that HDD lasts longer than SSD.
NOW LEAVE I don't want you here anymore I asked nicely don't make me make you leave.
DarthCaboose2321 2 years ago
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>I understand the LIMITED tech in the iPad compared to a Netbook.
For starters, iPad isn't a netbook. Secondly, let's see how many people CARE. So far, pre orders on the iPad are fantastic.
>I know SSD cost's more than HDD that's not my argument
Well tell 4N0NYM0U557 that shit, because he doesn't know.
>don't make me make you leave.
LOL, is that a threat? Think about that the next time you get pissyu at someone for banning your ass because you got vulgar or obscene with them, kid.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
ssds DO cost more than HDD. where is the problem? you seem to create them for no reason.
all i'm saying is that there are exceptions and that with a HDD you get more storage, but with an SSD you get less storage, but better speeds and reliability.
i'll ask you again: is there something wrong with what i just said?
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
>ssds DO cost more than HDD. where is the problem?
There's no problem as long as you understand that a device that has a SSD, has a component that costs MORE than the drive in the other device that has a HDD.
We're talking about PRICE here dumbass. You called the ipad overpriced. It can't be overpriced if its parts cost more to manufacture. By that logic, a pound of gold is OVERPRICED compared to a pound of lead.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Seriously
snipurl. c o m / uucf6
Hard drive failure accounts for as much as half of reported problems. Carrying around a device powered by a delicate spinning drive does seem like a recipe for disaster; sometimes we find it amazing that hard drive based music players outlast their warranty at all. The newer flash-based iPod Shuffle and Nano have no drives and show markedly better reliability (Nano's scratch-prone facing aside). Active users should strongly consider Shuffle and Nano.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
here's more:
4 Common Reasons for iPod Hard Drive Failure
snipurl. c o m / uuch1
They say that heat, humidity, vibration and unsafe unpluggings are big culprits.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
and do you have any sources about ipod touches r/w speeds?
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
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>do you have any sources about ipod touches r/w speeds?
I know that the ipod nano is faster than the cheaper drive that you listed. It has a write speed of over 70mbps. I also know that the ipod touch isn't slowass like the cheaper one.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Why the hell did you remove your comment for?
sc0pl355 2 years ago
i accidentally posted a new comment instead of replying to you
so .. AHEM! ANY SOURCES TO BACK THAT UP? YOU KNOW?
S-O-U-R-C-E-S?
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
>ANY SOURCES TO BACK THAT UP?
Dude, I'm already whoopin your ass as it is. Why don't you go look your own shit up?
I've already shown you tons of sources and you just ignore them.
Just fucking admit it. Solid State costs MORE than hard disk per the GB UNIVERSALLY!
Everything else is just you grasping at fucking straws because you know you FAILED to support your argument in the face of overwhelming FACTS.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Why don't you just leave my video you butthurt fanboy I am tired of you flooding my video
DarthCaboose2321 2 years ago
Dude, you're the butthurt fanboy here.
You're sitting around HATIN because because people with money want to buy a product that is already starting to gain huge popularity.
But hey, you know I'm right. that's why you want me to leave.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
you're so full of yourself, aren't you?
where did i say that ssd dont cost more than hdd? all i was saying is - is it really THAT worth it? dont get me wrong here, ssd with write speeds of 300MB/s are really great (expensive tho), but simply great!
on the other hand - for an ssd that has pretty much the same r/w speeds as the good-old hdd, is it worth to give that much more money, yet get less storage space? heres some examples:
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
Item=N82E16822136296 HDD
Item=N82E16820208459 SSD
both have similar amount of storage, tho the ssd's writhe speed is noticeably lower, but yet, it costs 2,5 times more....
i'm taking in general here -sometimes, its just not worth it....
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
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>both have similar amount of storage, tho the ssd's writhe speed is noticeably lower, but yet, it costs 2,5 times more....
The SSD is not prone to the same unreliability issues that come with hard disk drives.
Hard disks have moving parts. Moving parts are bad from a reliability stand point in comparison to solid state.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
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>where did i say that ssd dont cost more than hdd?
Every time you compare the storage size of the iPad to the storage size of a netbook, you say that.
>is it really THAT worth it?
YES, it is.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
> for an ssd that has pretty much the same r/w speeds as the good-old hdd, is it worth to give that much more money, yet get less storage space?
SSD's are more resistant to failure from heat, vibration, moisture, etc.
You DO understand the concept of getting less storage for greater reliability, don't you?
It's like people that RAID their hard drives. they do so to increase reliability or performance.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
ITT
butthurt fanboys that don't know a damn thing about solid state vs hdd price differences and downvote those that DO know the difference.
Hey, enjoy having spinning disks, file corruption resulting from minor impact, with crappy performance and battery life in your mobile devices, ladies.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Enjoy a Disk that dies after a set point of read and write times bitch.
Proof - Flash-memory drives have limited lifetimes and will often wear out after 1,000,000 to 2,000,000 write cycles (1,000 to 10,000 per cell) for MLC, and up to 5,000,000 write cycles (100,000 per cell) for SLC. Special file systems or firmware designs can mitigate this problem by spreading writes over the entire device, called wear leveling
DarthCaboose2321 2 years ago
@sc0pl355
you do realize that those same spinning disks are in macbooks, right?
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
>you do realize that those same spinning disks are in macbooks, right?
yeah, and i'm not going to whip it out all the time like it is a mobile media device either. It sits in my lap.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
>Enjoy a Disk that dies after a set point of read and write times
Oh?
Where are all the dead iPhone FLASH DRIVES????
Also, as I recall, HARD DRIVES wear out too! in fact, having a hard drive in a portable device shortens its lifespan significantly! And when they go down, they go down HARD.
If you think ANY storage solution will last forever, you are out of your fucking mind!
sc0pl355 2 years ago
"It sits in my lap"
so does the ipad....
"having a hard drive in a portable device shortens its lifespan significantly"
where are all the dead macbooks?
you're so full of shit..
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
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>so does the ipad....
Hmm, nope. it will be in my hand. Like a book. That's what it is designed for. Like, if I'm playing a game, I can change the orientation on the fly. same thing for reading a book or watching a movie.
>where are all the dead macbooks?
My macbook remains stationary a majority of the time, WHILE IT IS ON. The iPad is not intended to remain stationary while it is on.
Seriously, I've used a laptop, in a car, that hit a pothole. I KNOW that isn't good for my data.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
like i said before - all tablets suck, the real question is: which sucks more/less
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
Exactly, this is a good one Josh.
ViciousDave4Life 2 years ago 4
you call it overpriced when similar products cost more. fail
The iPad is not a netbook. It is pretty stupid to compare the two.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
No they are targeted for portability one is a tablet device the other more like a laptop just smaller.
DarthCaboose2321 2 years ago
iPad= Media consumption device
Netbook= Low end, low power, laptop
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Netbook - Ultra portable media device same with the iPad.
DarthCaboose2321 2 years ago
A netbook is not an ultra portable media device and it is not the same as an iPad.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Yes the netbook is a ultra portable a laptop or touch device that weights less than 5.5 Pounds is an ultra portable.
DarthCaboose2321 2 years ago
dude, convertable touch netbooks cost the same as the iPad if not MORE and give horrible performance.
I'm guessing you've never heard of a UMPC. That's what the iPad is. it isn't a netbook.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Then why did steve jobs compare it it to a netbook in his keynote i guess he is pretty stupid to.
codebean 2 years ago
Steve Jobs was saying that the iPad is a product that is BETWEEN a netbook and an ipod. He was not saying that it was a netbook.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
hmm .. its BETWEEN a netbook and an ipod, yet, it costs more than both....
that seems illogical.
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
>it costs more than both....
Because it costs more to MAKE than a netbook and an iPod Touch.
Look at netbooks that have capacitive touchscreens. Notice that they all cost over $500 without having solid-state-storage, an IPS display or even 3g in many cases.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
and what makes a netbook beter than this is FAAAR more apps (windows), better screen res, keyboard, more storage....
example: newegg Item=N82E16834220684 -320GB storage, 2GB ram, 1.66 atom cpu, A CAMERA etc, etc. and its only $500!
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
oh, and if we take away 3g from the good old iphone 3G, then apple owes me $30! (since the iphone costs $99)
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
>if we take away 3g from the good old iphone 3G
I see that you don't know a damn thing about moore's law either.
I'll just add that to the list of shit that you don't know.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
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>a netbook beter than this is FAAAR more apps (windows)
more apps that don't run very well and aren't optimized for the hardware that they have to run on.
Seriously, you're not going to be modeling in 3ds MAX or working in photoshop on a netbook. You're going to be surfing the web, instant messaging and MAYBE watching a video.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
>ipad uses the same flash memory as the ipod, iphone, etc....
Yeah, that's SOLID STATE storage dude. There aren't any moving parts, that makes it solid state.
Tho, the iPOD doesn't use solid state. it uses a hdd, that's why it has 180gb of storage space.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
You don't know fuckall about how much solid state storage costs in relation to hdd.
32 gb flash storage= $156.99
snipurl. c o m / uubi8
64 gb flash storage= $245.00 (on sale from $345.00)
snipurl. c o m / uubin
120 gb hdd= $59.99 (on sale from $64.99)
snipurl. c o m / uubjb
>see how illogical their pricing is??
see how you don't know a damn thing about storage prices?
sc0pl355 2 years ago
1) face it, windows has more apps available than the app store - apps that are far more useful in real life than all that basic crap in the appstore that is optimized for such weak hardware found in iphone/pod/pad compared to a real netbook
and maybe watching a video?
i sure will be watching videos on a 1.66ghz cpu - with no problem!
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
2) nice trick choosing the one of the most expensive flash cards on newegg..
32GB: Item=N82E16820134901
64GB: Item=N82E16820161353
the thing with the ipod is that is has enough room in it to put 2 flash memory chips, so the 16GB model actually has 2 8GB memory chips, which is probably the same case with the ipad because it is a quite large device (iphone on the other hand has space limitations, that is why you only see a 32GB model, and no 64GB)
and we all know that 2x8GB is cheaper than 1x16GB
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
i was being sarcastic about the taking away 3g from the iphone....
i feel sorry for you not understanding the joke....
well, that it is expected from an idiot like you....
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
>nice trick choosing the one of the most expensive flash cards on newegg..
I chose those because
1) they were the same brand so you can see the price difference in the line
2) The read/write is close to what the ipod touch has.
>32GB: Item=N82E16820134901
>64GB: Item=N82E16820161353
fucking look at the read/write on those dumbass
PLUS, there is STILL about a $100 price difference between them and they STILL cost more than a 120gb HDD! way to own your fucking self there!
sc0pl355 2 years ago
>face it, windows has more apps available than the app store
Face it, most windows apps won't run well in a netbook. that's why Android is taking over the netbook scene.
>i sure will be watching videos on a 1.66ghz cpu - with no problem!
And? I never said that you couldn't.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
1) give me a source that says how high ipad's r/w speeds are!
2) didnt you read my comment where i said that 2x8GB is cheaper than 1x16GB? if you did, you would see my point and you'd see what an idiot you are.
but of course you didnt .. who am i kidding....
most windows apps wont run well on a netbook? did it hurt when you pulled that out of your ass, cos that some big load of shit right there..
"And? I never said that you couldn't"
you said this: "MAYBE" .... dont lie to me.
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
1) the ipad isn't out yet. even if it had the read/write of those drives, that still doesn't change the FACT that solid state storage costs MUCH MORE than hard disk drives.
2) i read that part. you didn't make your case as it was 100% supposition and speculation. the point of my entire argument is that SOLID STATE STORAGE cost more than HARD DISK DRIVES. And that is a fact.
Seriously, if Apple didn't think that solid state was a good thing, then they would use ipod drives in all their devices
sc0pl355 2 years ago
and do you have any sources about ipod touches r/w speeds?
the point of MY argument is that apple's pricing is seriously fucked up
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
>the point of MY argument is that apple's pricing is seriously fucked up
You don't know a damn thing about what the parts COST. how the fuck can you determine whether the price is fair or not?
seriously, no matter HOW you look at it, solid state storage costs MUCH MORE per the gb than a hard disk does! The only way to get even close is to pick the slowest, most off brand SHIT out there and call it the same, like you've been doing.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
watch?v=IbVyQf0D0Oc
i do know about the parts COST!
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
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>i do know about the parts COST!
NO YOU DON'T!
FIRST OFF. Those guys are fucking guessing!
SECONDLY, there's NO fucking contrast given between the cost for parts in an iPad and that cost for parts in a fucking netbook!
If you think a $300 netbook costs ANYWHERE NEAR $300 to make, you are stupid beyond belief.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
no, they aren't guessing, they're estimating (there IS a difference)
and we're not talking about $300 netbooks....
Item=N82E16834131056
a $600-ish netbook (from my example) has more and BETTER parts, thus costs more to manufacture. i still cant understand why a device that is smaller, weaker, slower -like ipad, costs more than a $600 netbook
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
tho, ipad has better battery life (which is expected from a device with a 1ghz cpu, not a -real- os and lack of features) and a capacitive touchscreen, it has far less memory, a worse screen, no camera, no keyboard, a slower CPU, no usbs, etc, etc, etc....
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
>a worse screen
The screen on the iPad is a LED backlit IPS panel. You don't get any better quality than that. That netbook has a shitty TN panel display.
Also, look at the reviews. those guys are complaining about how slow that netbook is 'for the price'. Get that shit out of my face.
> far less memory
that netbook only has 2 gigs of ram. Hardly a lot more. Also, the bottom line is which one performs faster and more fluidly. That netbook is a piece of shit.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
>they're estimating
there are too many factors involved for them to estimate. So, they are guessing
>$600-ish netbook (from my example) has more and BETTER parts
How much do you think a $600 netbook costs to make? If you think it costs anywhere near HALF what it sells for, you are out of your fucking mind.
>costs more than a $600 netbook
iPad costs $500 dumbass.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
too many factors? what factors are those?
it takes some research to do, which i tbh, dont feel like doing....but thanx for proving my point - by your logic, that $600 netbook actually costs $300 to manufacture, thus makes the ipad look even more overpriced
but, let me ask you- what do you think how much it costs to manufacture an ipad?
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
and the 16GB model costs $500 dumbass! but the 64GB model costs $700 and guess what, a $600 netbook has 4 times more!
well, if you want to take the 16GB model as an example- then the netbook from my example has 16 times more memory, for just $100 more!
look before you leap dawg....your logic is more fucked up than apple's pricing
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
oh, and good luck reading e-books on an LED backlit ips panel display....you may need sunglasses! (LOL)
yeah, hardly a lot more, just twice as more (i read some reviews saying that the ipad has 1GB....)
which performs faster and more fluidly? did you see macward's video showing off windows 7 ultimate on a netbook? did you see that it had aero and how fluid it was? of course you didnt....
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
>good luck reading e-books on an LED backlit ips panel display...
I'll have better luck on an iPad than on that netbook.
>i read some reviews saying that the ipad has 1GB....
Yeah, and the iPad's OS and software aren't pigs like the software you'd run on that netbook.
>did you see that it had aero and how fluid it was?
Shit looked choppy to me. Hmm.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
>but the 64GB model costs $700 and guess what, a $600 netbook has 4 times more!
ipad= solid state storage
Netbook= hard disk drive
WHICH COSTS MORE?
A 64gb flash drive? snipurl . c o m / uup2m
Or a 250gb hard drive? snipurl. c o m / uup38
I already told you WHY they used solid state instead of hard disk! Hard disks are FAILURE PRONE. if they wanted to,m they could have used ipod hard drives, but that would have been a bad idea! They did the right thing by going solid state.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
>your logic is more fucked up
IN WHAT WAY?
If Apple wanted to, they could have used iPod hard drives which have more storage and COST LESS. But those are hard drives, not solid state. It is ONLY LOGICAL, that their reason for NOT using them, is due to the UNRELIABILITY of hard drives in devices like the iPad.
Your logic is what's fucked up.
You're suggesting that they are using MORE EXPENSIVE components to OVERPRICE instead of using the cheap shit which won't be as good. DOES NOT COMPUTE!
sc0pl355 2 years ago
>16GB model as an example- then the netbook from my example has 16 times more memory, for just $100 more!
16 gb solid state storage costs the only a LITTLE less than a 250 gb hard drive. Look at the prices. The price difference between the two is way less than $100.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
a good old 250GB hard drive has about the same or somewhat lower r/w speeds than the solid-state memory in the ipad, but that difference is really pathetic compared to how much more storage you get. and since the netbook is a device similar to a laptop, you'll be holding it in your lap - stationary - and by doing that you'll be preventing future failures from happening. and THAT is why i believe that a netbook is a better choice than the ipad
....which is the point of my entire fucking argument!
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
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>a good old 250GB hard drive has about the same or somewhat lower r/w speeds than the solid-state memory in the ipad
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH R/W SPEEDS!
It has to do with RELIABILITY!
>you'll be holding it in your lap - stationary - and by doing that you'll be preventing future failures from happening.
I already said that dumbass! I also said that the iPAD WON'T be used like that. It is designed to be moved around constantly to NOT be required to be stationary.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
> i believe that a netbook is a better choice than the ipad
THAT'S YOUR OPINION!
I personally ALREADY have a full sized laptop with great battery life! So, a NETBOOK, is fucking worthless to me. The iPad is a different device you tard.
An iPad is NOT a netbook!
sc0pl355 2 years ago
you're moving your ipod classic all the time, do those hdd also fail like crazy? and people run with those in their pockets
since when are we talking about you? we're talking in general and lets face it, people who already have a laptop wont buy this -and that is a lot of people!
who said ipad was a netbook? i said a netbook is a better choice
looks like you need a loong nap -CALM DOWN! if exchanging opinions and arguing pisses you off like that, i'd suggest you take a nap or visit a shrink..
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
>you're moving your ipod classic all the time, do those hdd also fail like crazy?
YES
50% of iPod failures come from the constant vibration of the hard drives.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
>who said ipad was a netbook?
By comparing them, you are suggesting that they are the same thing with the same purpose, which is far from the truth. The iPad is more of an UMPC, if anything.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
By comparing them I am comparing what they offer I am not suggesting that the iPad is a Netbook or that a Netbook is a iPad who gave you that idea anyway ow is it some kind of rule for Apple lovers to use to make there product seem better.
DarthCaboose2321 2 years ago
>By comparing them I am comparing what they offer
first off, wasn't talking to you.
Secondly, Think about how you sound. When the iPhone came out, guys like you were bashing it on the same stuff and saying that blackberry/nokia/whatever offered more.
Then what happened?
It came out, proved to be WAY more versatile than everyone originally thought and became one of the best selling single smartphones on the market with tons of copycats.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
iPhone is in a different market dumbass the iPad is more in the portable media device like the Netbook.
Your right on the verge of being blocked your giving me a headache.
DarthCaboose2321 2 years ago
>iPhone is in a different market
I was simply using that as an exaple of where guys like you bitched and were proven wrong in the form of massive consumer approval.
>giving me a headache.
You're giving YOURSELF a headache dude. But hey, if you don't run the engine in your car regularly, then you'll have engine problems.
Hey, go ahead and block away, nancy. It's clear that I won here. lol
sc0pl355 2 years ago
> people who already have a laptop wont buy this
I already have a laptop. I'm buying it. Most of the people preordering it already have laptops.
The iPad isn't a laptop. That's like saying 'people who already have a desktop computer wont buy a laptop or tv'
sc0pl355 2 years ago
are you comparing the iphone to the ipad?
you see? i can be an asshole just like you and ask ridiculous things. you are already blocked by numerous users for being an obnoxious asshole which you are being right now: "Hey, go ahead and block away, nancy. It's clear that I won here. lol". let me ask you -how old are you? because you're acting like a child which is the reason why i (and many other people) blocked you. and this is not the first time you saying that "i won in an argument! yay" thing!
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
open your mind for other things - things that are not apple made (like respect and maturity) - stop living in a closed environment where everything "just works" and face the reality. stop acting like a child and grow up, you might earn some respect from people other than macward or applesoldier.
now, these were my last words for you, you can contact me when you grow up, and until then, goodbye
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
>are you comparing the iphone to the ipad?
I'm only comparing the fact that the iphone and iPad both had droves of HATERS
>which is the reason why i (and many other people) blocked yo
Actually, not too many people blocked me. As you can see, I can still comment here.
Adobe PC and I hate each other's fucking guts, but neither of us have blocked the other.
YOU, blocked me because you're a sore loser.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
-i- blocked you because i'm sick of all the headaches you give me and of that shitload of auto-spammed comments you post on my video(s)!
and i DO fucking NOT have to put up with that!
like i said before, if you dont want to play fair, dont play at all!
4N0NYM0U557 2 years ago
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>i'm sick of all the headaches you give me
Yeah, that's called frustration from being owned repeatedly. In other words, you are a sore loser.
Now, take a chill pill and do your damn research.
>if you dont want to play fair
What's unfair about me simply pointing out the facts?
What? I'm now being UNFAIR because I did my damn research?
delicious tears of anguish
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