Im sure even tartantess and other SNP supporters wouldnt have a problem admitting that the British Armed forces has helped keep us all (including Scotland) free.
on that indepth lodge mentality bombshell, level the playing fields of the scottish media and see how long it would take for scotland to get educated and independence! as for proper goverment? compared to what? the current one in westminster? get your head out your misty eyed unionist arse, and read a book or two? your another brainwiped poodle of whitehall! enjoy your masters treats and remember too wage your tail when asked!
There is nothing stopping private companies from setting up media channels and applying for licenses to broadcast, they dont because the demand simply isnt there and theres papers for all sides.
The SNP get treated fairly by the television media, if they didnt they would never of even got enough seats to form the Scottish government in the first place. Ofcourse the media is going to be more pro union than separatist. Its like imagining America media supporting the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
although it's a rediculouse comparison. unfortunatley it very true, the SNP are seen in whitehall as a threat to the british establishments status quo, and they call in favours to protect the status quo! does it make it right? of course not! but that's what a democratic & peaceful organisation is up against when it plays by the rules of the establishment that set them!
Its impossible to change the views of the country and its establishments though. Parties like the SNP and sadly even the BNP must have the right to take part in the democratic process, and the bbc / tv media in general cant be totally biased against them, but its impossible to take a neutral stand point on major issues.
But this is a problem faced by everyone. If Scotland was independent, a small minority may want independence for a region like the highlands. Theyd have the same claim of bias
Lmao, well i am sorry but it is for the majority of the people to decide the future of Scotland, if you disagree that is your problem. You call the 10000s of Scots who have in the past and today serve in the British armed forces traitors despite them helping you be free.
You are pathetic :) Long live the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
People have short memories. Its Gordon's mathematics who let our country down, and its sinking quicker than quick sand. Hell mend him, and his ministers!!
People are scared, of voting with the SNP, because the Governments (Unionist) in the past have let them and their families down. If you think the union is working then, you are very foolish, more and more people are realizing that the union isn't working (maybe not the all the people in Glenrothes) but people in the central belt are (Glasgow east) I agree this is a set back, but we'll bounce back.
Even in Glasgow east the majority of people voted for unionist parties and not the SNP. The SNP only won Glasgow East because of 400 votes more than labour at a time when labour was the most unpopular its been across the whole of the UK
The people of Scotland have benefited over the past 300 years from this union and will continue to benefit
The current economic crisis is mostly to do with international events, which have hurt most european countries including Salmonds "ark of prosperity"
it's not a referendum? that will come in 2010. i think the result shows people are fearful of the future. so they vote status quo. wait for the full effects of the credit crunch to hit. and i never wished to gain independence on peoples misery. but what will happen in 2009 when the people waken up to the united kingdom going bust. no amount of spin and tradition will come into play. people should read up on the great depression of the 20's TBC
CON'T the stock market crash effect took 2 years before it hit home. we will have a full deprresion in around 2010 in full swing. we could as part of the UK have the euro by 2010 also. the european union will be the only union by the time of the 2012 olympics. brown will now be tempted by an early snap election next spring (he knows what's comming) we will get the tories south of the border with a large majority. snp will get their 20+ mp's. TBC
CON'T we haave no means of getting out of a depression. personnel credit is the highest in europe. we manufacture nothing. we can't buy anything. the banks won't lend anything. unions will cause massive problems. leading to the only salvation, as people see it, south of the border join the eu, north of the border independence (based on the only resources left wind, water, oil & gas). TBC
CON'T the united kindom/britan will over the next couple of years prove, it has'nt worked, simply because of pure, unadulatrated greed, conjured up by the establishment.(most of them will fuck off to the middle east with their great british cash) and personally, i hope i'm wrong. because alot of people are going to suffer. you are living in the final throws of the british empire. lets hope it does'nt get solved with the 3rd world war. the 2nd solved the last depression.
You share the arrogance of Alex Salmond which blew up in his face. You say the United Kingdom hasnt worked, what bloody rubbish. the UK has been united for over 300 years, the people of Scotland and England have never had better lives than today.
This union is very much alive and well. Sure British identity and devolution has led to problems there in Scotland, but like i have said before. in EVERY election more people vote for the unionist parties, rather than the SNP.
the union is alive and well? you really are in denial. the "other" unionist party's vote was destroyed. as for the political system of first past the post only suits the established parties. the tory's got more votes in england than labour at the last general election. labour to win this seat, had to bus activists up from england, they will not have that luxury at a general election. and you better wake up, there is a depression comming, and it's going to be economic earthquake for the UK.
Yes the union is still alive and considering the unionist parties continue to get more votes than the separatists its not dead as you seem to think. Im not in denial, i accept we have big problems with the union but the SNP can not claim there is majority support for independence.
You claim labour bussed in people from north England, the SNP bussed in activists from across Scotland aswell.
If we are still in a recession at the time of a vote on independence it will help the unionists more
it was not a claim. 4 buses organised from tony bliars neck off he woods. SNP activists will still be there in 2010, labour's will not. last night's by election was won on a local issue, and alot of hypocricy. however, labour won congratulations. it's still a democracy. we will not have a recession, it will be a depression. the difference is huge, you need drastic, drastic historic action to get out of one. go and read (not being funny) even wikipedia on a depression. all bets are off during one
Im sorry but there is no evidence to show we will be in a depression, we are in a recession and this is hurting alot of families but we will not see millions of people become homeless.
If we were in some form of great depression like you suggest we might be then its going to be very easy to scare people into not supporting independence. Creating a new country in the 21st century will cost BILLIONS and have lasting implications.. people will fear making matters worse.
so you've no income, no savings, no house, but your logic is you would vote for the status quo? we will not be creating a new country, we will be saving money. cutting westminster's take for a start. england would get repaired first, how will that play north of the border?
Sorry but it is creating a new country in the 21st century, you can not avoid this issue. It is not just about "saving" money, it will cost billions to divide up UK assets and create an independent Scottish government.
In the build up to a referendum a detailed cost of independence will be produced and people will have to choose, would they rather spend billions on new national government or rebuilding the economy and getting people back into jobs
the public sector will lose around 50% of their jobs by 2010, next year will see the private sector lose 50% of their's, then the knock on tax effect for the public sector. explain to me how the uk gets out of it? it can not borrow any more? it's no means to pay? only realistic option? join the EU fully including dissolving westminster, and hope this does the trick.
Lmao @ 50% of private and public sector job losses within 2 years, you are just making this crazy stuff up.
As i pointed out before we will still be able to borrow more money. The UK has a lower % of debt for our GDP than Most European countries, if they can borrow more why cant we?
If we are in such a crisis then the EU will be too. we can not just adopt a currency in a couple of years. it takes several. AS for disolving westminister? LMFAO never!
not dreaming my friend. your sleepwalking into history. it's the end of days for the british empire. your saying during a depression, people in england would not want a subsidy junkie of there back? (i don't belive we are)and it would not be a popular move for a political party like the torys to use a referendum in england for english independence?
I dont believe Scotland is a subsidy junkie either, all parts of the United Kingdom contribute different things and that is good enough to me and most people. The whole of the North east of England depends on wealth from the south east, we wouldnt want England cut in half because of hard times. (we survived many)
One moment you say we would all want independence, yet before you were saying the only way we could survive is to become part of some EU super state and have no national government
i've said the only way england can survive. if scotland leaves with it's national resources, where does that leave england? wind & tidal power are already generating or will be generating upto 65% of scotlands requirments and at present 12% of the uk's. we can be self sufficent, and can prove it. ask someone south of watford what they think about scotland?
Again in the middle of a great depression hurting america and Europe those national resources you are going on about will be worth very little.
In a great depression with millions out of jobs, the UK government would nationalize the energy industry and there would be far less demand for energy anyway.
Well i am south of Watford and i like Scotland. It is a stupid myth to even think that everyone in south England hates Scotland and supports breaking up the union
i was generalising. but i'll still say, most people south of watford could not care less what scotland does and most see us as subsidy junkies! the difference with the next depression the south of england will get it this time. i lived through the last one, many did not! i have buried friends related to the last recession. hence why people in scotland can not stand the torys. maybe that's why you can't see it comming, you have'nt experienced it before.
no means of getting out of a depression? lmao you are seriously hoping for the worst arnt you. Sure the UK like Europe and most of the world is entering a recession but it will be no where near as bad as the great depression
One of the ways out of it is to increase spending on things, yes that will cost us more to pay off in the future but this economic downturn wont last forever
England is already in the EU, there will be even less support for joining the euro in times of economic trouble
LMAO, i think defeat messes with your mind. Even if the people of Scotland voted for indepednence in 2010, the United Kingdom will still be around in 2012, it will take many years for a full settlement to be agreed.
Britain will also not be joining the Euro, there is no support among the major parties for it let alone the population.
I hope Brown doesnt call an election early next year, we shall have to wait and see though.
I never said it was a referendum on the independence question, what i said was simply the truth. The unionist parties (labour, lib dems and conservatives) got more votes than the SNP, jsut like in every other election.
You seem to be pinning your hopes on a meltdown of the UK economy, that doesnt mean for sure the SNP support for independence will go up. As you say when people are fearful of the future they will vote for the status quo, that will happen in 2010 aswell, if its still bad then
i'm not pinning my hopes on a meltdown. it's a fact greed & incompetence have led to the storm that's comming,our goverment is borrowing far to much money. consequence of which, will lead to desperate measures eg joining the euro, there will be no referendum on it, you will do as your told. we can not climb out of a depression without drastic actions. we do not (the uk) have the resources to do so any more. however, the size of scotland with it's resources, does.we have not seen the worst yet.
No political party in the UK is going to try to adopt the euro without giving people a vote on it, its nothing like the lisbon treaty. Joining the euro in the middle of an economic depression would be a bad idea and we couldnt possibly join before 2010
The UK goevrnment debt is low compared to most of our European friends. Its far lower % of GDP than France, Germany, Italy etc
If Scotland got independence and got its share of the UK debt, it would be in a FAR worse position than the UK is
we will be in a state of emergency by then, run by a coalition goverment. people might accuse me of exagerating but plenty economic anyalists are predicting the same.
Especially as if we were in a depression then OIL prices will continue to plumet, and Scotlands oil is one of the SNPs major ways to fund an independent Scotland.
Some people predict the world is going to end in 2012, it doesnt mean it will happen. The world is not going to let a great depression happen. World action and cooperation will reduce the effects and lead to a recovery in the long run.
If we are in a real state of emergency, the UK parliament will disolve the Scottish parliament.
lol the world not going to let it happen? your having a laugh, would that be the same world that can't even fix africa or deal with iraq? dissolve the scottish parliment and open a pandora box like northern ireland? it's big superstates and corporations that have delivered this depression.
This economic crisis is hurting everyone. Its hurting Europe and America which lowers oil prices which hurts Russia and Saudi Arabia, it lowers our demand for goods which hurts India and China. Its in all our interests to prevent the world entering a recession.
China and Russia like seeing America damage itself in Iraq and theres millions who cant afford food in their own countries, why would they care what happens to africa?
This is a world crisis which will not last forever
This is a world crisis which will not last forever
because you've lived in the now, does not mean that it goes on forever. i'm sure many a chinese emporer or the egyptains thought it would never change. yes the lights can go out! i suggest where we are right now, is slap bang at the end of the british empire! and at the start of a chinese one
The chinese see huge growth because they depend on selling goods to America, Britain and Europe. If we all stop buying then they are screwed even more than we are. They have already seen huge jobs losses due to factories closing, then their leadership will have 10s of millions unemployed rioting.
The British Empire ended a long time ago. The Western world which Britain helped create is not about to go down under, even if you want it to.
if tommorow the chinese ask for their money back from america and britian, we are 100% screwed. if china decides to start burning babies on sicks live on televison, theirs nothing we can do about it! 30 years of tory & unionist policy's have delivered this position. greed and incompedence
If the chinese suddenly asked for all their money back then yes it would cause a depression throughout Europe and America which would lead on to HUGE problems for china.
If no one in Europe and America can afford to buy a pair of shoes, then the millions in china who MAKE those shoes will be out of a job. China isnt going to do anything stupid which would hurt them in the long run aswell.
British citizens have had beter lives in those past 30 years than at any time in our history
are you aware that china has been buying up and developing the whole west coast of africa? they plan to move cheap production there and feed their own economy. we ain't that important to them, 60 million or a 1 billion al new market? we are screwed unless we kill the union and reorganise it. stop thinking global player and start thinking sweden. control as much as possiable your local envioroment and join a trading body.
We are part of a trading body, we are part of the European Union, the richest economic block on the planet. AS the United Kingdom (the second biggest net contributor to the EU budget) we have alot more influence over EU policy than a small country like Scotland would with its population of 5 million.
Europe and America together can look after their own interests and we are more valuable to china than than the whole of Africa is
China needs resources because it is making all of us our goods
well that's all about to change. answer me this? if the pound drops below the euro, how long before we join the euro? and do you think it can't happen? what if the banks don't recover? we lose our money! you can't borrow if you can't pay back!
Alot of what ifs, Just because the pound falls below the euro it doesnt mean we will suddenly decide to join the euro. There are some positive reasons to join the euro but there are also many negative reasons even if the pound is weakened.
Currencies go up and down all the time, just because the pound falls below the euro it doesnt mean it would stay below. As a national currency weakens, it leads to an increase in exports which help the economy.
lol you've got to be manufacturing something to export first. if, the biggest little word in the world! we will see? i thank you for keeping your opinion civil britishwatcher. whatever happens to the uk in the future, we do all share the island, and i for one have never thought that if scotland and england seperate, it will be very cordial and civil. we are married at present. however your wife(scotland) has had enough of the husband spending the money on shite like gambling (banks)
I care about Scotland and the whole of the United Kingdom. I respect the people of Scotlands right to choose if they want to continue being part of this union (i think they do) but if the vote goes the other way then ill respect their wishes as will the UK government and Scotland will become an independent country.
Once again though, very big IF :) have a good night.. Peace
that chestnut goes down to dithering brown and darling. the irish acted quickly and stopped a share plung. the bank of scotland should have merged with rbs. again this will come back to bite brown. i hope he enjoys his weekend. but one swallow does not make a summer!
If the country is in such a state as you suggest it might be, with a state of emergency being declared and millions losing their homes then there can not be two governments.
The UK parliament will have to temporarily take back powers from the Scottish parliament and other assemblies to ensure a unified effort to get us out of the crisis.
Ofcourse the UK parliament wouldnt disolve the Scottish parliament in a recession, but you are suggesting we will be in some form of great depression.
Hmmm Blacksey its pretty pathetic that you label over 20,000 of your fellow Scots traitors just because they disagree with you on issues and the way they vote.
The SNP in EVERY election have less votes than the unionists, perhaps its fairer for the people of Scotland to call you guys traitors instead?
Long live the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Norther Ireland.
Thanks for a great video! It gave me goose pimples, when we saw our new Scottish (SNP)ministers. I still can't believe it.....so, so proud! 3 1/2 hours til the polls closes in Glenrothes, fingers crossed!
have removed and blocked blacksey! do not agree or want to listen to imature ranting!
tartantess 3 years ago
Blacksey, are you really that stupid?
Im sure even tartantess and other SNP supporters wouldnt have a problem admitting that the British Armed forces has helped keep us all (including Scotland) free.
How about from the nazis in ww2 for a start.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Sentimental BS -The SNP are a pressure group and not a proper government.
davidkemp1 3 years ago
on that indepth lodge mentality bombshell, level the playing fields of the scottish media and see how long it would take for scotland to get educated and independence! as for proper goverment? compared to what? the current one in westminster? get your head out your misty eyed unionist arse, and read a book or two? your another brainwiped poodle of whitehall! enjoy your masters treats and remember too wage your tail when asked!
tartantess 3 years ago
There is nothing stopping private companies from setting up media channels and applying for licenses to broadcast, they dont because the demand simply isnt there and theres papers for all sides.
The SNP get treated fairly by the television media, if they didnt they would never of even got enough seats to form the Scottish government in the first place. Ofcourse the media is going to be more pro union than separatist. Its like imagining America media supporting the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
although it's a rediculouse comparison. unfortunatley it very true, the SNP are seen in whitehall as a threat to the british establishments status quo, and they call in favours to protect the status quo! does it make it right? of course not! but that's what a democratic & peaceful organisation is up against when it plays by the rules of the establishment that set them!
tartantess 3 years ago
Its impossible to change the views of the country and its establishments though. Parties like the SNP and sadly even the BNP must have the right to take part in the democratic process, and the bbc / tv media in general cant be totally biased against them, but its impossible to take a neutral stand point on major issues.
But this is a problem faced by everyone. If Scotland was independent, a small minority may want independence for a region like the highlands. Theyd have the same claim of bias
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Lmao, well i am sorry but it is for the majority of the people to decide the future of Scotland, if you disagree that is your problem. You call the 10000s of Scots who have in the past and today serve in the British armed forces traitors despite them helping you be free.
You are pathetic :) Long live the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
People have short memories. Its Gordon's mathematics who let our country down, and its sinking quicker than quick sand. Hell mend him, and his ministers!!
lollie2001scot 3 years ago
People are scared, of voting with the SNP, because the Governments (Unionist) in the past have let them and their families down. If you think the union is working then, you are very foolish, more and more people are realizing that the union isn't working (maybe not the all the people in Glenrothes) but people in the central belt are (Glasgow east) I agree this is a set back, but we'll bounce back.
lollie2001scot 3 years ago
Even in Glasgow east the majority of people voted for unionist parties and not the SNP. The SNP only won Glasgow East because of 400 votes more than labour at a time when labour was the most unpopular its been across the whole of the UK
The people of Scotland have benefited over the past 300 years from this union and will continue to benefit
The current economic crisis is mostly to do with international events, which have hurt most european countries including Salmonds "ark of prosperity"
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Well it was a very well made video.
Sadly the results are in and it didnt go the SNPs way. Like every election in Scotland the majority of votes went to the unionist parties.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
it's not a referendum? that will come in 2010. i think the result shows people are fearful of the future. so they vote status quo. wait for the full effects of the credit crunch to hit. and i never wished to gain independence on peoples misery. but what will happen in 2009 when the people waken up to the united kingdom going bust. no amount of spin and tradition will come into play. people should read up on the great depression of the 20's TBC
tartantess 3 years ago
CON'T the stock market crash effect took 2 years before it hit home. we will have a full deprresion in around 2010 in full swing. we could as part of the UK have the euro by 2010 also. the european union will be the only union by the time of the 2012 olympics. brown will now be tempted by an early snap election next spring (he knows what's comming) we will get the tories south of the border with a large majority. snp will get their 20+ mp's. TBC
tartantess 3 years ago
CON'T we haave no means of getting out of a depression. personnel credit is the highest in europe. we manufacture nothing. we can't buy anything. the banks won't lend anything. unions will cause massive problems. leading to the only salvation, as people see it, south of the border join the eu, north of the border independence (based on the only resources left wind, water, oil & gas). TBC
tartantess 3 years ago
CON'T the united kindom/britan will over the next couple of years prove, it has'nt worked, simply because of pure, unadulatrated greed, conjured up by the establishment.(most of them will fuck off to the middle east with their great british cash) and personally, i hope i'm wrong. because alot of people are going to suffer. you are living in the final throws of the british empire. lets hope it does'nt get solved with the 3rd world war. the 2nd solved the last depression.
tartantess 3 years ago
You share the arrogance of Alex Salmond which blew up in his face. You say the United Kingdom hasnt worked, what bloody rubbish. the UK has been united for over 300 years, the people of Scotland and England have never had better lives than today.
This union is very much alive and well. Sure British identity and devolution has led to problems there in Scotland, but like i have said before. in EVERY election more people vote for the unionist parties, rather than the SNP.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
the union is alive and well? you really are in denial. the "other" unionist party's vote was destroyed. as for the political system of first past the post only suits the established parties. the tory's got more votes in england than labour at the last general election. labour to win this seat, had to bus activists up from england, they will not have that luxury at a general election. and you better wake up, there is a depression comming, and it's going to be economic earthquake for the UK.
tartantess 3 years ago
Yes the union is still alive and considering the unionist parties continue to get more votes than the separatists its not dead as you seem to think. Im not in denial, i accept we have big problems with the union but the SNP can not claim there is majority support for independence.
You claim labour bussed in people from north England, the SNP bussed in activists from across Scotland aswell.
If we are still in a recession at the time of a vote on independence it will help the unionists more
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
it was not a claim. 4 buses organised from tony bliars neck off he woods. SNP activists will still be there in 2010, labour's will not. last night's by election was won on a local issue, and alot of hypocricy. however, labour won congratulations. it's still a democracy. we will not have a recession, it will be a depression. the difference is huge, you need drastic, drastic historic action to get out of one. go and read (not being funny) even wikipedia on a depression. all bets are off during one
tartantess 3 years ago
Im sorry but there is no evidence to show we will be in a depression, we are in a recession and this is hurting alot of families but we will not see millions of people become homeless.
If we were in some form of great depression like you suggest we might be then its going to be very easy to scare people into not supporting independence. Creating a new country in the 21st century will cost BILLIONS and have lasting implications.. people will fear making matters worse.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
so you've no income, no savings, no house, but your logic is you would vote for the status quo? we will not be creating a new country, we will be saving money. cutting westminster's take for a start. england would get repaired first, how will that play north of the border?
tartantess 3 years ago
Sorry but it is creating a new country in the 21st century, you can not avoid this issue. It is not just about "saving" money, it will cost billions to divide up UK assets and create an independent Scottish government.
In the build up to a referendum a detailed cost of independence will be produced and people will have to choose, would they rather spend billions on new national government or rebuilding the economy and getting people back into jobs
Family is more important to most people.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
the public sector will lose around 50% of their jobs by 2010, next year will see the private sector lose 50% of their's, then the knock on tax effect for the public sector. explain to me how the uk gets out of it? it can not borrow any more? it's no means to pay? only realistic option? join the EU fully including dissolving westminster, and hope this does the trick.
tartantess 3 years ago
Lmao @ 50% of private and public sector job losses within 2 years, you are just making this crazy stuff up.
As i pointed out before we will still be able to borrow more money. The UK has a lower % of debt for our GDP than Most European countries, if they can borrow more why cant we?
If we are in such a crisis then the EU will be too. we can not just adopt a currency in a couple of years. it takes several. AS for disolving westminister? LMFAO never!
You are dreaming
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
not dreaming my friend. your sleepwalking into history. it's the end of days for the british empire. your saying during a depression, people in england would not want a subsidy junkie of there back? (i don't belive we are)and it would not be a popular move for a political party like the torys to use a referendum in england for english independence?
tartantess 3 years ago
I dont believe Scotland is a subsidy junkie either, all parts of the United Kingdom contribute different things and that is good enough to me and most people. The whole of the North east of England depends on wealth from the south east, we wouldnt want England cut in half because of hard times. (we survived many)
One moment you say we would all want independence, yet before you were saying the only way we could survive is to become part of some EU super state and have no national government
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
i've said the only way england can survive. if scotland leaves with it's national resources, where does that leave england? wind & tidal power are already generating or will be generating upto 65% of scotlands requirments and at present 12% of the uk's. we can be self sufficent, and can prove it. ask someone south of watford what they think about scotland?
tartantess 3 years ago
Again in the middle of a great depression hurting america and Europe those national resources you are going on about will be worth very little.
In a great depression with millions out of jobs, the UK government would nationalize the energy industry and there would be far less demand for energy anyway.
Well i am south of Watford and i like Scotland. It is a stupid myth to even think that everyone in south England hates Scotland and supports breaking up the union
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
i was generalising. but i'll still say, most people south of watford could not care less what scotland does and most see us as subsidy junkies! the difference with the next depression the south of england will get it this time. i lived through the last one, many did not! i have buried friends related to the last recession. hence why people in scotland can not stand the torys. maybe that's why you can't see it comming, you have'nt experienced it before.
tartantess 3 years ago
no means of getting out of a depression? lmao you are seriously hoping for the worst arnt you. Sure the UK like Europe and most of the world is entering a recession but it will be no where near as bad as the great depression
One of the ways out of it is to increase spending on things, yes that will cost us more to pay off in the future but this economic downturn wont last forever
England is already in the EU, there will be even less support for joining the euro in times of economic trouble
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
LMAO, i think defeat messes with your mind. Even if the people of Scotland voted for indepednence in 2010, the United Kingdom will still be around in 2012, it will take many years for a full settlement to be agreed.
Britain will also not be joining the Euro, there is no support among the major parties for it let alone the population.
I hope Brown doesnt call an election early next year, we shall have to wait and see though.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
I never said it was a referendum on the independence question, what i said was simply the truth. The unionist parties (labour, lib dems and conservatives) got more votes than the SNP, jsut like in every other election.
You seem to be pinning your hopes on a meltdown of the UK economy, that doesnt mean for sure the SNP support for independence will go up. As you say when people are fearful of the future they will vote for the status quo, that will happen in 2010 aswell, if its still bad then
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
i'm not pinning my hopes on a meltdown. it's a fact greed & incompetence have led to the storm that's comming,our goverment is borrowing far to much money. consequence of which, will lead to desperate measures eg joining the euro, there will be no referendum on it, you will do as your told. we can not climb out of a depression without drastic actions. we do not (the uk) have the resources to do so any more. however, the size of scotland with it's resources, does.we have not seen the worst yet.
tartantess 3 years ago
No political party in the UK is going to try to adopt the euro without giving people a vote on it, its nothing like the lisbon treaty. Joining the euro in the middle of an economic depression would be a bad idea and we couldnt possibly join before 2010
The UK goevrnment debt is low compared to most of our European friends. Its far lower % of GDP than France, Germany, Italy etc
If Scotland got independence and got its share of the UK debt, it would be in a FAR worse position than the UK is
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
we will be in a state of emergency by then, run by a coalition goverment. people might accuse me of exagerating but plenty economic anyalists are predicting the same.
tartantess 3 years ago
Especially as if we were in a depression then OIL prices will continue to plumet, and Scotlands oil is one of the SNPs major ways to fund an independent Scotland.
Some people predict the world is going to end in 2012, it doesnt mean it will happen. The world is not going to let a great depression happen. World action and cooperation will reduce the effects and lead to a recovery in the long run.
If we are in a real state of emergency, the UK parliament will disolve the Scottish parliament.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
lol the world not going to let it happen? your having a laugh, would that be the same world that can't even fix africa or deal with iraq? dissolve the scottish parliment and open a pandora box like northern ireland? it's big superstates and corporations that have delivered this depression.
tartantess 3 years ago
This economic crisis is hurting everyone. Its hurting Europe and America which lowers oil prices which hurts Russia and Saudi Arabia, it lowers our demand for goods which hurts India and China. Its in all our interests to prevent the world entering a recession.
China and Russia like seeing America damage itself in Iraq and theres millions who cant afford food in their own countries, why would they care what happens to africa?
This is a world crisis which will not last forever
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
This is a world crisis which will not last forever
because you've lived in the now, does not mean that it goes on forever. i'm sure many a chinese emporer or the egyptains thought it would never change. yes the lights can go out! i suggest where we are right now, is slap bang at the end of the british empire! and at the start of a chinese one
tartantess 3 years ago
The chinese see huge growth because they depend on selling goods to America, Britain and Europe. If we all stop buying then they are screwed even more than we are. They have already seen huge jobs losses due to factories closing, then their leadership will have 10s of millions unemployed rioting.
The British Empire ended a long time ago. The Western world which Britain helped create is not about to go down under, even if you want it to.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
if tommorow the chinese ask for their money back from america and britian, we are 100% screwed. if china decides to start burning babies on sicks live on televison, theirs nothing we can do about it! 30 years of tory & unionist policy's have delivered this position. greed and incompedence
tartantess 3 years ago
If the chinese suddenly asked for all their money back then yes it would cause a depression throughout Europe and America which would lead on to HUGE problems for china.
If no one in Europe and America can afford to buy a pair of shoes, then the millions in china who MAKE those shoes will be out of a job. China isnt going to do anything stupid which would hurt them in the long run aswell.
British citizens have had beter lives in those past 30 years than at any time in our history
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
are you aware that china has been buying up and developing the whole west coast of africa? they plan to move cheap production there and feed their own economy. we ain't that important to them, 60 million or a 1 billion al new market? we are screwed unless we kill the union and reorganise it. stop thinking global player and start thinking sweden. control as much as possiable your local envioroment and join a trading body.
tartantess 3 years ago
We are part of a trading body, we are part of the European Union, the richest economic block on the planet. AS the United Kingdom (the second biggest net contributor to the EU budget) we have alot more influence over EU policy than a small country like Scotland would with its population of 5 million.
Europe and America together can look after their own interests and we are more valuable to china than than the whole of Africa is
China needs resources because it is making all of us our goods
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
well that's all about to change. answer me this? if the pound drops below the euro, how long before we join the euro? and do you think it can't happen? what if the banks don't recover? we lose our money! you can't borrow if you can't pay back!
tartantess 3 years ago
Alot of what ifs, Just because the pound falls below the euro it doesnt mean we will suddenly decide to join the euro. There are some positive reasons to join the euro but there are also many negative reasons even if the pound is weakened.
Currencies go up and down all the time, just because the pound falls below the euro it doesnt mean it would stay below. As a national currency weakens, it leads to an increase in exports which help the economy.
Alot of what ifs,
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
lol you've got to be manufacturing something to export first. if, the biggest little word in the world! we will see? i thank you for keeping your opinion civil britishwatcher. whatever happens to the uk in the future, we do all share the island, and i for one have never thought that if scotland and england seperate, it will be very cordial and civil. we are married at present. however your wife(scotland) has had enough of the husband spending the money on shite like gambling (banks)
tartantess 3 years ago
I care about Scotland and the whole of the United Kingdom. I respect the people of Scotlands right to choose if they want to continue being part of this union (i think they do) but if the vote goes the other way then ill respect their wishes as will the UK government and Scotland will become an independent country.
Once again though, very big IF :) have a good night.. Peace
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
You go on about the banks, i know that the UK economy is more likely to be able to prop up the banks than an independent Scotland could. :)
Ireland has protected its banks savers, despite their deposits being worth more than the entire countries GDP. The UK GDP is much higher.
We will have to wait and see what happens in the coming years, but in an economic crisis change is something people will be cared of :)
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
that chestnut goes down to dithering brown and darling. the irish acted quickly and stopped a share plung. the bank of scotland should have merged with rbs. again this will come back to bite brown. i hope he enjoys his weekend. but one swallow does not make a summer!
tartantess 3 years ago
If the country is in such a state as you suggest it might be, with a state of emergency being declared and millions losing their homes then there can not be two governments.
The UK parliament will have to temporarily take back powers from the Scottish parliament and other assemblies to ensure a unified effort to get us out of the crisis.
Ofcourse the UK parliament wouldnt disolve the Scottish parliament in a recession, but you are suggesting we will be in some form of great depression.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
nows the day and nows the hour for glenrothes dnt be a traitor vote SNP vote Scotland
blacksey 3 years ago
Hmmm Blacksey its pretty pathetic that you label over 20,000 of your fellow Scots traitors just because they disagree with you on issues and the way they vote.
The SNP in EVERY election have less votes than the unionists, perhaps its fairer for the people of Scotland to call you guys traitors instead?
Long live the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Norther Ireland.
Can the SNP fix it? NO they cant! =)
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Thanks for a great video! It gave me goose pimples, when we saw our new Scottish (SNP)ministers. I still can't believe it.....so, so proud! 3 1/2 hours til the polls closes in Glenrothes, fingers crossed!
lollie2001scot 3 years ago
Wooops, did you forget to cross those fingers? hahahaaa
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago