@FunNotNuts the people who are making comments here are angry, arrogant fundamentalists who attack something they do not know. Just because one attacks something, this does not reflect on the integrity of the subject being attacked. This video is on the Papacy and if you look at the comments most of them have nothing to do with the video in question. These people are just angry anti-catholic bigots who are blinded by hatred and ignorance.
@FunNotNuts if your logic proved true then when an angry protestant fundamentalist attacks a tenant of Buddhism then one must conclude that that tenant must not be good.
you are guilty, you quoted a snip-it of augustine and mingled it with a protestant commentator. Augustine did so believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. I sent you the text in context and i cant send you hundreds more and your response is "no i am not guilty".
Dont say nasty ignorant things, do you research and put your biases behind you if you want Christian truth.
Augustine argued that the sacraments, including the eucharist, are signs and figures which represent or symbolize spiritual realities. He made a distinction between the physical, historical body of Christ and the sacramental presence, maintaining that Christs physical body could not literally be present in the sacrament of the eucharist because he PT 1
is physically at the right hand of God in heaven, and will be there until he comes again. But Christ is spiritually with his people. Augustine viewed the eucharist in spiritual terms and he interpreted the true meaning of eating and drinking as being faith: To believe on Him is to eat the living bread. He that believes eats; he is sated invisibly, because invisibly is he born again In respect of the presence of the Majesty we have Christ always; PT 2
@hoffabrando what is this a protestant commentary on Augustine? If your gonna quote someone quote them properly, what you have quoted is ambiguous. You quoted a snipit of text from augustine mingled with commentary by some protestant.
If Augustine ddint believe that the eucharist was really Jesus then why did he write the following:
@hoffabrando "You ought to know what you have received, what you are going to receive, and what you ought to receive daily. That Bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the Body of Christ. The chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the Blood of Christ."
In respect of the presence of the flesh, it was rightly said to the disciples, But Me ye will not always have. For the Church had Him in respect of the presence of the flesh, for a few days; now, by faith it holds, not with eyes beholds Him. A Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church, Homilies on the Gospel According to St. John by S. Augustine, Homily 92.1, p. 873; Homily 50.13 (Oxford: Parker, 1849), pp. 677-78. pt 3
Why not take a stand for truth, this only shows the truth,
Early Christians lost their lives for truth; one was polycarp bishop of Smyrna.
Ever since the union of church and the roman state, the roman church, has persecuted all dissenters with their lives, would God put a devil in charge of his church, not likely.
since you mention smyrna you remind me of a Ignatius of Antioch, 3rd bishop of Antioch and disciple of the apostle John, he wrote to the church in smyrna in 106AD on his way to martyerdom in rome. Here is chatper 8 of his letter:
"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop...."
That 's right, but he was talking about bishops, not about popes, that was a Result of the union of church and state, pontiff pontifix maximus roman not christian.
you people are blind, or you don't no history. blood death wars, all in the name of God, I only hope some of the nice catholic people I have meet wake up,
you only have to go to world war 11 to and see the Vatican Involvement Especially in Croatia, dont say no it was so transparent , whats next now that Europe is united
@hoffabrando the bishop of rome is the pope, pope comes from the greek papas which means father. So the pope or bishop of rome has always been around. When i comes to world war two Pope Pius XII and the Church was responsible for saving the lives of almost 1 million Jews. The Chief Rabbi or Rome converted to Catholicism after world war 2 due to how the Catholics helped and treated the Jews.
Also whats up with the person attacks "you people are blind" cant you argue humanly?
397 Ex:20:4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
Ex:20:8: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. The 7th not the 1st
Ex:20:13: Thou shalt not kill. M'r:7:7: Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments? of men. Don explain away theses facts, do you think a church can change Gods LAWS
@hoffabrando statues? i though we were talking about the papacy? why are you jumping from one topic to the next? I have noticed this is a common protestant tactic to deflect attention from you not being able to give a justifiable rebuttal, you just ignore the first topic and move to the next.
The Bible actually not only condones the creation of statues but God commands the creation of status.
@hoffabrando God commands Moses to sculpt 2 golden angels on top of the arc of the covenant in exodus, the jewish temple was loaded with images. God allows images to be used to aid in worship of God not to worship themselves. And if you say the Church tells its members to worship statues then you are clearly bearing false witness against your neighbor.
@hoffabrando ".....et that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
The Catholic Church is Jesus' Church. This is just one of the hundred of writings like this from the 1st/2nd/3rd/4th centuries.
Any doctrine of beliefs which stimulates such hatred cannot be good. Just look at the comments here as an example.
FunNotNuts 1 year ago
@FunNotNuts the people who are making comments here are angry, arrogant fundamentalists who attack something they do not know. Just because one attacks something, this does not reflect on the integrity of the subject being attacked. This video is on the Papacy and if you look at the comments most of them have nothing to do with the video in question. These people are just angry anti-catholic bigots who are blinded by hatred and ignorance.
carthage397 1 year ago
@FunNotNuts if your logic proved true then when an angry protestant fundamentalist attacks a tenant of Buddhism then one must conclude that that tenant must not be good.
carthage397 1 year ago
you are guilty, you quoted a snip-it of augustine and mingled it with a protestant commentator. Augustine did so believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. I sent you the text in context and i cant send you hundreds more and your response is "no i am not guilty".
Dont say nasty ignorant things, do you research and put your biases behind you if you want Christian truth.
carthage397 1 year ago
carthage397
Augustine argued that the sacraments, including the eucharist, are signs and figures which represent or symbolize spiritual realities. He made a distinction between the physical, historical body of Christ and the sacramental presence, maintaining that Christs physical body could not literally be present in the sacrament of the eucharist because he PT 1
hoffabrando 1 year ago
is physically at the right hand of God in heaven, and will be there until he comes again. But Christ is spiritually with his people. Augustine viewed the eucharist in spiritual terms and he interpreted the true meaning of eating and drinking as being faith: To believe on Him is to eat the living bread. He that believes eats; he is sated invisibly, because invisibly is he born again In respect of the presence of the Majesty we have Christ always; PT 2
hoffabrando 1 year ago
@hoffabrando what is this a protestant commentary on Augustine? If your gonna quote someone quote them properly, what you have quoted is ambiguous. You quoted a snipit of text from augustine mingled with commentary by some protestant.
If Augustine ddint believe that the eucharist was really Jesus then why did he write the following:
carthage397 1 year ago
@hoffabrando "You ought to know what you have received, what you are going to receive, and what you ought to receive daily. That Bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the Body of Christ. The chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the Blood of Christ."
-"Sermons", [227, 21]
carthage397 1 year ago
@hoffabrando you are dishonestly taking Augustine's word out or context. if your gonna argue dont lie and be dishonest.
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397
no I am not guilty,
hoffabrando 1 year ago
In respect of the presence of the flesh, it was rightly said to the disciples, But Me ye will not always have. For the Church had Him in respect of the presence of the flesh, for a few days; now, by faith it holds, not with eyes beholds Him. A Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church, Homilies on the Gospel According to St. John by S. Augustine, Homily 92.1, p. 873; Homily 50.13 (Oxford: Parker, 1849), pp. 677-78. pt 3
hoffabrando 1 year ago
Why not take a stand for truth, this only shows the truth,
Early Christians lost their lives for truth; one was polycarp bishop of Smyrna.
Ever since the union of church and the roman state, the roman church, has persecuted all dissenters with their lives, would God put a devil in charge of his church, not likely.
hoffabrando 1 year ago
since you mention smyrna you remind me of a Ignatius of Antioch, 3rd bishop of Antioch and disciple of the apostle John, he wrote to the church in smyrna in 106AD on his way to martyerdom in rome. Here is chatper 8 of his letter:
"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop...."
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage397
That 's right, but he was talking about bishops, not about popes, that was a Result of the union of church and state, pontiff pontifix maximus roman not christian.
you people are blind, or you don't no history. blood death wars, all in the name of God, I only hope some of the nice catholic people I have meet wake up,
you only have to go to world war 11 to and see the Vatican Involvement Especially in Croatia, dont say no it was so transparent , whats next now that Europe is united
hoffabrando 1 year ago
@hoffabrando the bishop of rome is the pope, pope comes from the greek papas which means father. So the pope or bishop of rome has always been around. When i comes to world war two Pope Pius XII and the Church was responsible for saving the lives of almost 1 million Jews. The Chief Rabbi or Rome converted to Catholicism after world war 2 due to how the Catholics helped and treated the Jews.
Also whats up with the person attacks "you people are blind" cant you argue humanly?
carthage397 1 year ago
@carthage
WOULD YOU FOLLOW THEM INTO HELL
397 Ex:20:4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
Ex:20:8: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. The 7th not the 1st
Ex:20:13: Thou shalt not kill. M'r:7:7: Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments? of men. Don explain away theses facts, do you think a church can change Gods LAWS
hoffabrando 1 year ago
@hoffabrando statues? i though we were talking about the papacy? why are you jumping from one topic to the next? I have noticed this is a common protestant tactic to deflect attention from you not being able to give a justifiable rebuttal, you just ignore the first topic and move to the next.
The Bible actually not only condones the creation of statues but God commands the creation of status.
carthage397 1 year ago
@hoffabrando God commands Moses to sculpt 2 golden angels on top of the arc of the covenant in exodus, the jewish temple was loaded with images. God allows images to be used to aid in worship of God not to worship themselves. And if you say the Church tells its members to worship statues then you are clearly bearing false witness against your neighbor.
carthage397 1 year ago
@hoffabrando ".....et that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
The Catholic Church is Jesus' Church. This is just one of the hundred of writings like this from the 1st/2nd/3rd/4th centuries.
carthage397 1 year ago