This bill is not passed yet, we still need to get our senators to pass this landmark bill, and stop another 45,000 deaths from occuring this year due to the lack of healthcare reform!
It has'nt passed fully yet people we still have time it has to go to the Senate floor then the American people might get a say so in it but I believe the reconciliation rule or whatever it's call will make it so that Obama can by past the American people.. I'm not sure on the process but I believe we still have time a little window of hope.
linnetgoon - Yes, it did happen. It passed in the House of Representatives. Now it is in the Senate where it is being hung, drawn and quartered and rendered a useless piece of trash by idiots like Sen. Joseph Lieberman who has the insurance companies' dick up his ass. Not to mention frothing-at-the-mouth religious clowns. (see RHXXPeN84yY)We are going to have to zilch it, and start all over again. Are you British, by any chance?
I wish we hadn't had to mollycoddle the Amen Hallelujahs with that abortion amendment though. There is already a law in place that federal funds cannot be used for abortions. I hope that gets taken out.
Yay we are serving our corporate masters!!! Once again under the guise of fixing the broken system we entrench corporate power while tossing the public a bone and changing nothing!!!
Yay we are celebrating the death of democracy as big pharma and big insurance make sure their deadly industry continues to milk the public dry, pay off us politicians, and keep real reform and single payer from even being discussed since that actually works and what the public wants. YAY to betraying the people!
Honestly though, I can't believe all these people giving in to the widespread fear mongering of the right.
If it is worse, people will vote for the guy who'll make it better. That's the way it always is, and anyone who says "change will ruin our country" obviously forgot this fact.
For you naysayers out there who say that I won't be fined large amounts and face jail time if I refuse to get your stupid health care insurance you need to read the press release from the JCT on the issue.
do a search for "Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail"
this bill is weak ass shit and the Senate will make it worse big surprise. I want to pay $50 a month and get medicare type coverage. Because if I pay for something I should never be turned away. if Republican's were serious they would opt for not just interstate competition but overseas competition too,
Another reason why democracy sucks. We need the Republic back and the law that comes with it. This would not be possible if Congress upheld the law they swore an oath to.
FREE-DUMB. lol straight out of the corporate playbook. are you also a teabagger that repeats corporate talking points? I believe morons like you shouldn't have the option.
Umm 60+% of the american people wanted health care reform with the public option which they have a better chance at getting now, so what are u talking bout retard.
PG 25 and understood the implications, enough to vote against IMHO (2) INSUFFICIENT FUNDS.—If the Secretary es timates for any fiscal year that the aggregate
amounts available for payment of expenses of the high-risk pool will be less than the amount of the ex- penses, the Secretary shall make such adjustments as are necessary to eliminate such deficit, including reducing benefits, increasing premiums, or estab lishing waiting lists.
I'm so liberal. I love it. I can't wait until everyone think like me. Pelosi is my hero. Keep the momentum going. Soon we'll be able to tell everyone what to do and what to buy. Gosh, I'm just so liberal. I love it. I'm just so progressive. This is change. Wow. I am liberal.
Congratulations on joining the rest of the industrialized world. 2009 saw health care reform and the first african american president. It's nice to see the US growing up, gratz guys.
To be fair, organized religion is probably a bigger scam, if nothing else then at least by virtue of sheer tenacity. The US won't outlast its threehundredth birthday, but judeo-christian doctrines have persisted for thousands of years.
And when it comes to old, rich cocksuckers? One word:
I support the public option and our Congress. Everyone who views this video will one day benefit from a government sponsored health care program either through medicare or the public option.
These people would be wildly clapping with glee aboard the Titanic as it goes under. Just missing the Titanic Orchestra playing as we head for that iceburg. Don't worry about life jackets, they'll put you on a 6 month waiting list, you'll get one eventually
Firstly, I am not a Republican. Secondly, I am sorry that you are falling for those in power trying to divide the people. Thirdly..I don't remember ever seeing that in the bible..hmmmm will have to reread my bible
Quite the opposite I'm afraid, tburke. And I'm really surprised it's the Democrats who have you irked after the idiots bachman and boner made out of you on the White House Lawn last Thursday. Of course,vVoting the republicans out is way more than they deserve and too far away. They (and you) should really be arrested. Healthcare for all! Republicans go to jail.
I am sorry that you misunderstand the points of a 7th generation American that holds our CONTSTITUTION & BILL OF RIGHTS to be the law of the land. The congress does not have the right or should I say riechtt, to MANDATE me to buy anything. I bow down to my personal God and my CONSTITUTION that my forefathers worked out through blood and tears, to preserve my right to choose. This is in all cases of everything. I choose no mandate!!!!! I will resist. And if you do not, you know not this heritage!
If you did any research you'd know a good deal of the founding fathers were every bit as progressive as any Democrat today, despite what Glenn Beck has to say about it. Take your "CONSTITUTION THAT MY FOUNDING FATHERS WORKED OUT THROUGH BLOOD AND TEARS" and stick it up your ass.
"If you did any research you'd know a good deal of the founding fathers were every bit as progressive as any Democrat today"
From my readings of the founders I'm very surprised that anyone would make that claim. Care to supply some citations (i.e. some historians' books that back up your claim).
Classic Liberal is not a modern Liberal, a Classic Liberal is a Libertarian and that means a Minarchist and some to a degree were leaning Anarchist; while others like Hamilton were just plan Nationalists.
That sounds like the progressivism I know and love. If you don't agree with statist welfarism, you should be arrested. This is starting to get fun everybody!
yes yes im sure our liberty is so fucken gone now that you have free health care because health care = loss of liberty yes yes please go die or something
well i currently have a 1 month wait to see my family dr to get my prescription refilled, that or i can choose to wait for 4 hours in a clinic waiting room
This was a bad idea. I support waiting on passing a bill until everyone understands what is contained in the document. Passing a bill quickly for favorable press from the media (Obama, Pelosi [ I hate her smile]). The citizens reap the consequences when elected officials do not act for society, but for themselves. Yes, from my above sentences, you can probably surmise that I do not trust politicians. Please, to all those posting on this video - read the bill and make your own choice.
The fine is the lessor of 2.5% of Adjusted Gross Inccome or avg cost of insurance (prorated for portion of year not covered). Not hundreds of thousands of dollars or Jail time.
@carhac66 The Senate version would impose jail time.
"Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."
I heard the jail time accusation on cspan during the discussion of the house bill. Rep. Dan Lungren (R - California) stated this. when I read the bill, he was not being truthful. don't believe what people say. just read the bill when it comes out.
Also, if you can't pay taxes on time you are allowed to work out a payment schedule.
JewHater, you don't know what "everyday people" are? Then you must be one of these parasites at the top of the pyramid that sucks the lifeblood from everyday people. You ought to work for a living, then you'd know who "everyday people" are and how rich fucks like YOU that defend the status quo are making everyday people struggle in your rigged unfair system. That's all I have to say to a stupid, thickheaded, uncaring and downright evil CUNT like you. Drop dead!
@JixMa wow i thought this health care was for those who couldnt work or had a hard time in life, those who cant afford health care? but here you are calling a person u claim to be one of those you are supposively helping by supporting this a ****? truely shows where people like you stand
gee i sure cant wait till i am taxed for buying vitamins, or for eating a homade cheeseburger, or maybe even growing my own vegetables. good job people.... damn i am sure proud of this country more then ever now....
Really? They Do? They're one of the most successful communities in the North America. Socially and Educationally. I, as a Muslm, think they've given a lot to the world. Not Destroy it! Get real
ANYWAYS, Good luck Obama in Senate! You need a system similar to Canada.
JewHater did you get this upset with the government spending money when it blew a whole wad of taxpayer money on unnecessary wars for oil that made rich defense contractors, Halliburton, Blackwater, the top 1%, Wall St. CEOs, GW Bush and I'maDick Cheney and their friends and family? Or do you just get upset when the government spends money on everyday people? You blackguard!
All this means is that for now we have a list of 220 people that need to be deported and dropped by helicopter at
5*53'29.99"N and 133*19'22.21"W
Leave them in giant orange rafts and a box of Pocket Constitutions and compasses with switched magnets. Damn NeoProgressives are the problems with both Dems and Repubs in the fake 2-party system.
Not a threat but; Damn you Pelosi, if you come back to Cali. it had better be to pack your bags...fucking NeoProgressive bitch...
even with this bill, what will change about the service or delivery of that service (hospital, doctor or nurse) NOTHING! just how its paid for and that more people will be able to afford it.
listen. I know almost all the naysayers here are Republican so i'm just going to say it. STFU and stop relying on a party to be all your hopes and dreams. it's becoming pathetic. same goes for Democrats that are equally zealous to their party.
Well, JewHater, thank that supreme asshole Max Bachus that dreamed up that there be this mandatory caveat that everyone has to buy health care or be fined a penalty. He is a bought off shill of the health insurance companies and not someone looking out for the people. Blame HIM not the government as a whole! Bachus is a douche and to paint the whole govt as wanting to do that is just plain wrong. I doubt this even made it into the final bill!
To all you fucking teabaggers in this thread saying "Goodbye to liberty", let me ask you what part of OPTIONAL do you dumbasses NOT understand? You like your current health insurance? Keep it! Who the fuck is saying you have to leave Humana or Blue Cross? Keep 'em! But what the fuck is it to you that the U.S. Govt will offer people the CHOICE to get health care through the government like Medicare or the VA system? Hmm, motherfuckers? What skin off YOUR nose will it make?
YOURE A GODDAMN BUFFOON!!! IT ISNT OPTIONAL!!! THERE IS A FUCKING MANDATE FOR INDIVIDUAL HEALTH CARE!!! IF YOU DONT BUY HEALTHCARE EITHER PRIVATE OR PUBLIC YOU GO TO PRISON FOR UP TO FIVE YEARS AND ARE FINED UP TO TWOHUNDERED THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!! What part of that is fucking OPTIONAL you fucking twit!?! I don't have ANY money left after all my bills. And telling me I HAVE to get something or else go to prison!? It defies all logic!!!
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@0xTRX007 ahhh read the bill! maybe that will help you.... wait let me guess, you havnt even atempted to search for it? big surprise, sounds just like our government doesnt it, shoot, i must be mistaken cause they are truely out for our best interests right?
Did you read the whole 1017 page bill? I bet not...
I asked [millgiass] a question: where did he get the information that if someone refuses to take it will get fined $200,000 + 5 year jail sentence ???
Since you read the whole bill I'm sure you can point out in which section of the bill does it say that?
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ahhh yes that must have been what I did.evidently i cannot think for myselfand have no common sence and must follow what others suggest. just like watching the television,they say eat a bigmac, i eat it.obama say i must have health care or pay big fine like they do inmassachusetts i do it.i am surely the big fool here, oops i mean the good obedient consumer.dont read into what you hear,that is bad,will only lead you to lies and deception, dont ever think for youself,always believe what yourtold
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Instead of getting all upset, how about this, you read it, and post it. seeing your all hostile about it and hanging on every word here, prove the facts wrong. btw i didnt say anything about the fines you claim i said, i just stated fines would be enforced.
You are full of shit... That's why no one takes you seriously,... You can't even prove your own claims... Just using your empty account to troll youtube with bullshit you can't prove...
trying to debate you is like trying to teach a donkey how to read... pointless.
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wow you got me there, yep a well trained donkey who believes everything told. nope i didnt live in mass and was focreded to have required insurance, they didnt make you pay for not having insurance increasing amount each year you didnt have insurance. the hopefully not to pass senate health care wont have the same in it as i did not see when I read or heard or watched online. i definately did not do any of that on my own, no way cause i am obediant good consumer.
ok want to hear my claims fine.we hear the claims every day on the news.we dont research anything for ourselves anymore.we just believe what we are told.the reason I dont just tell you what the truth is because it is up to each person to find the truth rather then believing what we see on TV. listen to the news but research it for yourself. we make this mistake every damn day. i say we cause i made this mistake for years, a mistake i wont make ever again. we all need to see for ourselves.get it?
We are required to have a social security card to get a job. It gives a little to help when we are older or disabled from a portion of wages.
Medicare costs nothing if you choose not to have it.
This bill requires you to pay for health insurance. It requires you to buy a product that you may or may not use, and if you decline you face a penalty through your taxes. It has yet to be seen if people will be jailed because of no health insurance, all in the name of "felony tax evasion."
All insurance requires you to pay for it even if you don't use it, like car insurance for an accident.
The thing is, you never "plan" on using insurance, you buy it just in case. No ever "plans" to be sick or have a car accident. If people did plan these things, insurance of any type would not exist.
Insurance is actually a lot like gambling if you think of it for longer than 2 minutes.
You can't compare this to car insurance. If you don't have a car, you don't have to have insurance. Health insurance will be mandatory if you're breathing.
@JixMa, no your point was obviously clear that Olympia Snowe and Joe Lieberman voted in favor of the bill, which they could not vote for or against. You fail as a human being.
Let's all join hands now. We did it. 2 more battles: the Senate and the combo bill there-after.
Stick to it, guys, we have more sense and dignity than the Glenn Beck Libertarians. If you have Libertarian friends, show them that this is not bad, and make sure they aren't "Glenn Beck Libertarians." If they are, don't be friends.
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Look at that. Just ONE Repiglican voted "yea" (probably that Olympia Snowe bitch) and 39 traitorous DemocRATS voted "nay" with their Repiglican buddies. I wonder how that motherfucking arch-traitor Joe LIEberman voted. I bet with the Repigs.
You're an idiot, Lieberman and Snowe are in the U.S. SENATE....NOT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES....you have seriously shown your stupidity by commenting on the issue and not knowing what chamber of Congress those two senators are in. hahahahahha ahhahahahahahah
Oh, yeah, right. Like there's a big fucking difference! They sure don't act like senators these days, considering matters with great deliberation and not playing petty politics, right? STFU, trying to sound like you're so fucking smart! Asshole! My point remains. They're all a bunch of assholes that vote party over the country and the people. If you missed that was my point, YOU'RE the idiot.
This bill is not passed yet, we still need to get our senators to pass this landmark bill, and stop another 45,000 deaths from occuring this year due to the lack of healthcare reform!
elitegrunthuntr 1 year ago
It has'nt passed fully yet people we still have time it has to go to the Senate floor then the American people might get a say so in it but I believe the reconciliation rule or whatever it's call will make it so that Obama can by past the American people.. I'm not sure on the process but I believe we still have time a little window of hope.
CainChrome 1 year ago
lol, only 1 republican
CommissarTails 1 year ago
Hang on a tick. Did this happen?
linnetgoon 2 years ago
linnetgoon - Yes, it did happen. It passed in the House of Representatives. Now it is in the Senate where it is being hung, drawn and quartered and rendered a useless piece of trash by idiots like Sen. Joseph Lieberman who has the insurance companies' dick up his ass. Not to mention frothing-at-the-mouth religious clowns. (see RHXXPeN84yY)We are going to have to zilch it, and start all over again. Are you British, by any chance?
ksol1460 2 years ago
Hell yes LOCK up and fine the crap out of anybody not buying insurance!!
Fascism Now Fascism FOREVER
Obama FOREVER
putittogether 2 years ago
I wish we hadn't had to mollycoddle the Amen Hallelujahs with that abortion amendment though. There is already a law in place that federal funds cannot be used for abortions. I hope that gets taken out.
ksol1460 2 years ago 2
Yay we are serving our corporate masters!!! Once again under the guise of fixing the broken system we entrench corporate power while tossing the public a bone and changing nothing!!!
Yay we are celebrating the death of democracy as big pharma and big insurance make sure their deadly industry continues to milk the public dry, pay off us politicians, and keep real reform and single payer from even being discussed since that actually works and what the public wants. YAY to betraying the people!
Navywxman 2 years ago
Vote them all out of office.
jmjfanss 2 years ago
Honestly though, I can't believe all these people giving in to the widespread fear mongering of the right.
If it is worse, people will vote for the guy who'll make it better. That's the way it always is, and anyone who says "change will ruin our country" obviously forgot this fact.
LoryLandskipper 2 years ago
This is what Barack O'hammed wants!
WHY SHOULD I PAY FOR SOME FAT SLOB TO EAT LARD FROM A BUCKET ALL DAY?
THE LEFT SHAL BE JUDGED BY THE JESUS!
LoryLandskipper 2 years ago
Bunch of buffoons these Congressmen are.
Thrice13 2 years ago
Finally the Democrats stand up to Crooked Health Insurance Lobby..... Finally and end to the "Pre-existing condition" Ripoff....
StateOfTheArts 2 years ago
Do you really think the stood up to special interest?? or so you think they stood up to one of the several that have a dog in this fight??
soundmoneyfan 2 years ago
two wolves and a lamb deciding what's for dinner
VertNinja 2 years ago
You've just open the Pandora's box of socialism..
Congratulations from France :-/
I sincerely hope you'll get rid of it QUICKLY.
Messer4471 2 years ago
For you naysayers out there who say that I won't be fined large amounts and face jail time if I refuse to get your stupid health care insurance you need to read the press release from the JCT on the issue.
do a search for "Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail"
100's of articles on it.
Enjoy your FORCED HEALTH CARE REFORM
glenisah 2 years ago
JCT=Joint Committee on Taxation
glenisah 2 years ago
Republicans loss tbh, if they had contibuted they would have atleast had a chance in the political game, looks like there out for a good 20 years.
sp4maerie 2 years ago
this bill is weak ass shit and the Senate will make it worse big surprise. I want to pay $50 a month and get medicare type coverage. Because if I pay for something I should never be turned away. if Republican's were serious they would opt for not just interstate competition but overseas competition too,
sx200ser 2 years ago
The Republican Party's contribution to health care reform:
surprisingly . . . ZERO.
Don't they have any human constituents in Republican districts? Or are corporate contributors all they ever listen to now.
ReliableInsider 2 years ago 2
Every democrat that voted against this should be thrown out.
imaginepeace63 2 years ago
Another reason why democracy sucks. We need the Republic back and the law that comes with it. This would not be possible if Congress upheld the law they swore an oath to.
banemaler 2 years ago
i dont have health insurance
i dont need health insurance
i dont want health insurance
and now i have to pay for something i dont want. some freedom we have here.
thanks traitors in congress! better look for jobs at burgerking because come 2011 you sure as hell wont be back in washington.
djCASHmachine 2 years ago
FAITH , YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON!
FREE-DUMB. lol straight out of the corporate playbook. are you also a teabagger that repeats corporate talking points? I believe morons like you shouldn't have the option.
cyber9sockpuppet 2 years ago
capital hill has betrayed the american ppl once again dont worry fuckers we will boot you out of office next year
savior02 2 years ago
Umm 60+% of the american people wanted health care reform with the public option which they have a better chance at getting now, so what are u talking bout retard.
the07tour 2 years ago
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amounts available for payment of expenses of the high-risk pool will be less than the amount of the ex- penses, the Secretary shall make such adjustments as are necessary to eliminate such deficit, including reducing benefits, increasing premiums, or estab lishing waiting lists.
billrah 2 years ago
Today was the day the USA finally became USSA. Farewell - you will not be forgotten.
Zaphodox 2 years ago
I'm so liberal. I love it. I can't wait until everyone think like me. Pelosi is my hero. Keep the momentum going. Soon we'll be able to tell everyone what to do and what to buy. Gosh, I'm just so liberal. I love it. I'm just so progressive. This is change. Wow. I am liberal.
iansmith4545 2 years ago
Anybody know who the republican was that voted for the bill?
Thats an incredible site to see
waltermh111 2 years ago
Dear USA,
Congratulations on joining the rest of the industrialized world. 2009 saw health care reform and the first african american president. It's nice to see the US growing up, gratz guys.
asant79 2 years ago 7
ehh, the public option is a very nice piece of legislation but single-payer is what would truly be health care reform.
one day it will come, one day.
PartVIII 2 years ago 3
Its not Public and its not an option, State is anti social and taxes are involuntary.
BIackOp 2 years ago
Does this still have to go through the Senate? It probably wouldn't survive with the mandate.
millgiass 2 years ago
Both parties suck huge balls. We need to vote all these SOBs out of office. The more they try and help, the more they F it up.
iansmith4545 2 years ago
The beginning of the end!!
benfaysal23 2 years ago
THREE CHEERS FOR DEMOCRATS - who have the Guts to stand up to the crooked Health Insurance Industry.... and pass reform.....
StateOfTheArts 2 years ago 2
I seriously hope this is just the beginning, because this is not reform.
VincentTheBoss 2 years ago
haha the repubes are PISSEd! LOL!
raiders747 2 years ago
Biggining of the end watch?v=Hgk76AKHzfc
IlluminatiSeer 2 years ago
The US government is the biggest scam ever. All politicians are worthless, congress should be abolished so should the president, all of it.
We can do things better without this club of rich, corrupt cocksuckers.
ConstrainedNoMore 2 years ago
To be fair, organized religion is probably a bigger scam, if nothing else then at least by virtue of sheer tenacity. The US won't outlast its threehundredth birthday, but judeo-christian doctrines have persisted for thousands of years.
And when it comes to old, rich cocksuckers? One word:
Vatican.
PanzerDivisionBOM 2 years ago 3
My sincere condolence to the american people.
kevinz1985 2 years ago
I think the US will come to the France system.
A NHC covering everyone but not at full cost and a private sector covering the no reimbursed part.
Melpheos1er 2 years ago
I support the public option and our Congress. Everyone who views this video will one day benefit from a government sponsored health care program either through medicare or the public option.
joshuag5732 2 years ago
Stop paying taxes!
BeantownJim 2 years ago 2
Is America dead yet?
cheeseaura 2 years ago
Give us 30 days.
tburke64 2 years ago
Calling all Doctors against this! Are you willing to make individual contracts with patients? We are here and await your answer.
tburke64 2 years ago
a big day for corporates! america you are screwed!!!
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hyperseauton 2 years ago
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inmyforties 2 years ago
These people would be wildly clapping with glee aboard the Titanic as it goes under. Just missing the Titanic Orchestra playing as we head for that iceburg. Don't worry about life jackets, they'll put you on a 6 month waiting list, you'll get one eventually
RamFan4u 2 years ago
God Hates Republicans
callouschristian 2 years ago
Firstly, I am not a Republican. Secondly, I am sorry that you are falling for those in power trying to divide the people. Thirdly..I don't remember ever seeing that in the bible..hmmmm will have to reread my bible
RamFan4u 2 years ago
God never would have thought up this two party system. It is two against the many. Must be created elsewhere.
tburke64 2 years ago
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Redistribution of wealth is alive and well for the the United Socialists of America.
USA - USA - USA !
littlemisspissy 2 years ago
get ready for that RFID chip if you want universal healthcare
GadKillsDevils 2 years ago
hahaha seeing the republican's comments on this video is making my dayyyy
SUCKERSSSSSSSS
can't wait for this bill to actually do some good and show what an incompetent party you are
t0yo 2 years ago
Damn, I can't believe 218 congress members voted to usurp the Constitution. VOTE THEM OUT!
tburke64 2 years ago
Quite the opposite I'm afraid, tburke. And I'm really surprised it's the Democrats who have you irked after the idiots bachman and boner made out of you on the White House Lawn last Thursday. Of course,vVoting the republicans out is way more than they deserve and too far away. They (and you) should really be arrested. Healthcare for all! Republicans go to jail.
callouschristian 2 years ago
I am sorry that you misunderstand the points of a 7th generation American that holds our CONTSTITUTION & BILL OF RIGHTS to be the law of the land. The congress does not have the right or should I say riechtt, to MANDATE me to buy anything. I bow down to my personal God and my CONSTITUTION that my forefathers worked out through blood and tears, to preserve my right to choose. This is in all cases of everything. I choose no mandate!!!!! I will resist. And if you do not, you know not this heritage!
tburke64 2 years ago
PS. I am neither a republican nor democrat. I am an AMERICAN!
tburke64 2 years ago
@tburke64 I am neither an American or Canadian, I am a man!
freedomthread 2 years ago
You got that right, I'm an american and a libertarian and this bill is passed is very unconstitutional.
jmjfanss 2 years ago
butthurt
maddoxfanx 2 years ago
you're a clown
raiders747 2 years ago
Enjoy your loss of freedoms Bitch
Fuck the two party system.
jmjfanss 2 years ago
Oh shut the fuck up.
If you did any research you'd know a good deal of the founding fathers were every bit as progressive as any Democrat today, despite what Glenn Beck has to say about it. Take your "CONSTITUTION THAT MY FOUNDING FATHERS WORKED OUT THROUGH BLOOD AND TEARS" and stick it up your ass.
maddoxfanx 2 years ago
"If you did any research you'd know a good deal of the founding fathers were every bit as progressive as any Democrat today"
From my readings of the founders I'm very surprised that anyone would make that claim. Care to supply some citations (i.e. some historians' books that back up your claim).
schulwitz 2 years ago 3
Classic Liberal is not a modern Liberal, a Classic Liberal is a Libertarian and that means a Minarchist and some to a degree were leaning Anarchist; while others like Hamilton were just plan Nationalists.
BIackOp 2 years ago
"They (and you) should really be arrested"
That sounds like the progressivism I know and love. If you don't agree with statist welfarism, you should be arrested. This is starting to get fun everybody!
schulwitz 2 years ago 2
and this is how liberty dies, to thunderous applause
SmashedBobNoPants 2 years ago
yes yes im sure our liberty is so fucken gone now that you have free health care because health care = loss of liberty yes yes please go die or something
WhatsAfterThisPlace 2 years ago
you ever live under socialized medicine? I think not.... Good Luck
SmashedBobNoPants 2 years ago
I do I love it.
VincentTheBoss 2 years ago
well i currently have a 1 month wait to see my family dr to get my prescription refilled, that or i can choose to wait for 4 hours in a clinic waiting room
underfunded, understaffed, overrated
SmashedBobNoPants 2 years ago
that's what I thought when all my neigbors turned into Reagan zombies, bobwithnopantson. This vote proved me wrong.
Do you think, as I, that this officially indicates that God Hates Republicans?
callouschristian 2 years ago
damn i can't believe almost 40 dems voted with the gopes
raiders747 2 years ago 2
Yes notice all GOPS voted no?
WhatsAfterThisPlace 2 years ago 2
JDTW...
I already have it, but thanks anyway...
0xTRX007 2 years ago 2
This was a bad idea. I support waiting on passing a bill until everyone understands what is contained in the document. Passing a bill quickly for favorable press from the media (Obama, Pelosi [ I hate her smile]). The citizens reap the consequences when elected officials do not act for society, but for themselves. Yes, from my above sentences, you can probably surmise that I do not trust politicians. Please, to all those posting on this video - read the bill and make your own choice.
rohgenextfan 2 years ago 5
the u.s. government is on the verge of collapse anyway, this is only going to speed things up. good job dumbasses, i can't wait to be free.
chainzdown2dadik 2 years ago
More government force
thinkrevolution 2 years ago
who is the chicken shit republican that waited till their vote didnt matter to vote yes????
DreamAquaMarine 2 years ago
That would be Anh Cao, moderate Republican of Louisiana-2.
govtrack(dot)us
opencongress(dot)org
Mars2O84 2 years ago
HR 3962 Section 59B -- FINE OR TAX $
The fine is the lessor of 2.5% of Adjusted Gross Inccome or avg cost of insurance (prorated for portion of year not covered). Not hundreds of thousands of dollars or Jail time.
READ THE BILL!
carhac66 2 years ago
@carhac66 The Senate version would impose jail time.
"Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."
MooseOfReason 2 years ago
thank you,
I was talking the house bill that was complete and just passed.
I did not know that the Senate version was complete. has it been finished? do you have the web address, so I can take a look.
Thanks
carhac66 2 years ago
carhac66, No, I just have that handwritten note from the JCT. I don't know the specific bill number.
MooseOfReason 2 years ago
Thanks all the same MooseOfReason,
I heard the jail time accusation on cspan during the discussion of the house bill. Rep. Dan Lungren (R - California) stated this. when I read the bill, he was not being truthful. don't believe what people say. just read the bill when it comes out.
Also, if you can't pay taxes on time you are allowed to work out a payment schedule.
carhac66 2 years ago
And here I was worried about supporting myself AND worried about my health care in my retirement but along comes Captain O with a solution for both!
All I have to do is refuse to "PURCHASE" health insurance and just like waving a magic wand, I get 3 hots and a cot PLUS free health care.
You have got to be kidding me!!!!
You'll see
glenisah 2 years ago
like the dude from big lebowski would say: : Well what in the fuck are you talking about, man!
CaIgaryFIamesFan 2 years ago
@JewsDestroyTheWorld
JewHater, you don't know what "everyday people" are? Then you must be one of these parasites at the top of the pyramid that sucks the lifeblood from everyday people. You ought to work for a living, then you'd know who "everyday people" are and how rich fucks like YOU that defend the status quo are making everyday people struggle in your rigged unfair system. That's all I have to say to a stupid, thickheaded, uncaring and downright evil CUNT like you. Drop dead!
JixMa 2 years ago
@JixMa wow i thought this health care was for those who couldnt work or had a hard time in life, those who cant afford health care? but here you are calling a person u claim to be one of those you are supposively helping by supporting this a ****? truely shows where people like you stand
hancockification 2 years ago
liberals are cute
chainzdown2dadik 2 years ago
gee i sure cant wait till i am taxed for buying vitamins, or for eating a homade cheeseburger, or maybe even growing my own vegetables. good job people.... damn i am sure proud of this country more then ever now....
hancockification 2 years ago
lol...JewsDestroyTheWorld?
Really? They Do? They're one of the most successful communities in the North America. Socially and Educationally. I, as a Muslm, think they've given a lot to the world. Not Destroy it! Get real
ANYWAYS, Good luck Obama in Senate! You need a system similar to Canada.
CaIgaryFIamesFan 2 years ago
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@JewsDestroyTheWorld
JewHater did you get this upset with the government spending money when it blew a whole wad of taxpayer money on unnecessary wars for oil that made rich defense contractors, Halliburton, Blackwater, the top 1%, Wall St. CEOs, GW Bush and I'maDick Cheney and their friends and family? Or do you just get upset when the government spends money on everyday people? You blackguard!
JixMa 2 years ago
We're screwed....
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JixMa 2 years ago
All this means is that for now we have a list of 220 people that need to be deported and dropped by helicopter at
5*53'29.99"N and 133*19'22.21"W
Leave them in giant orange rafts and a box of Pocket Constitutions and compasses with switched magnets. Damn NeoProgressives are the problems with both Dems and Repubs in the fake 2-party system.
Not a threat but; Damn you Pelosi, if you come back to Cali. it had better be to pack your bags...fucking NeoProgressive bitch...
jsjs525 2 years ago
even with this bill, what will change about the service or delivery of that service (hospital, doctor or nurse) NOTHING! just how its paid for and that more people will be able to afford it.
The corporatist & NWO types will hate this.
carhac66 2 years ago
listen. I know almost all the naysayers here are Republican so i'm just going to say it. STFU and stop relying on a party to be all your hopes and dreams. it's becoming pathetic. same goes for Democrats that are equally zealous to their party.
KSElegion87 2 years ago
YEEEEEAAA!!!! COMMUNISM!!!!
helltrackrider 2 years ago
@JewsDestroyTheWorld
Well, JewHater, thank that supreme asshole Max Bachus that dreamed up that there be this mandatory caveat that everyone has to buy health care or be fined a penalty. He is a bought off shill of the health insurance companies and not someone looking out for the people. Blame HIM not the government as a whole! Bachus is a douche and to paint the whole govt as wanting to do that is just plain wrong. I doubt this even made it into the final bill!
JixMa 2 years ago
To all you fucking teabaggers in this thread saying "Goodbye to liberty", let me ask you what part of OPTIONAL do you dumbasses NOT understand? You like your current health insurance? Keep it! Who the fuck is saying you have to leave Humana or Blue Cross? Keep 'em! But what the fuck is it to you that the U.S. Govt will offer people the CHOICE to get health care through the government like Medicare or the VA system? Hmm, motherfuckers? What skin off YOUR nose will it make?
JixMa 2 years ago
YOURE A GODDAMN BUFFOON!!! IT ISNT OPTIONAL!!! THERE IS A FUCKING MANDATE FOR INDIVIDUAL HEALTH CARE!!! IF YOU DONT BUY HEALTHCARE EITHER PRIVATE OR PUBLIC YOU GO TO PRISON FOR UP TO FIVE YEARS AND ARE FINED UP TO TWOHUNDERED THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!! What part of that is fucking OPTIONAL you fucking twit!?! I don't have ANY money left after all my bills. And telling me I HAVE to get something or else go to prison!? It defies all logic!!!
millgiass 2 years ago
Quote: millgiass
"GO TO PRISON FOR UP TO FIVE YEARS AND ARE FINED UP TO TWO HUNDERED THOUSAND DOLLARS"
@millgiass
fined $200,000 + 5 year jail sentence ???
Could you tell me where you got that information ?
And yes [JixMa] it's mandatory:
youtube . com/watch?v=ZCSctcRtBg8
0xTRX007 2 years ago 3
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@0xTRX007 ahhh read the bill! maybe that will help you.... wait let me guess, you havnt even atempted to search for it? big surprise, sounds just like our government doesnt it, shoot, i must be mistaken cause they are truely out for our best interests right?
hancockification 2 years ago
@hancockification
blah blah blah. I'm so smart.. blah blah blah...
Did you read the whole 1017 page bill? I bet not...
I asked [millgiass] a question: where did he get the information that if someone refuses to take it will get fined $200,000 + 5 year jail sentence ???
Since you read the whole bill I'm sure you can point out in which section of the bill does it say that?
0xTRX007 2 years ago 3
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ahhh yes that must have been what I did.evidently i cannot think for myselfand have no common sence and must follow what others suggest. just like watching the television,they say eat a bigmac, i eat it.obama say i must have health care or pay big fine like they do inmassachusetts i do it.i am surely the big fool here, oops i mean the good obedient consumer.dont read into what you hear,that is bad,will only lead you to lies and deception, dont ever think for youself,always believe what yourtold
hancockification 2 years ago
@hancockification,
I have an idea, WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION ???
IN WHAT SECTION OF THE BILL DOES IT SAY THAT anyone who doesn't want the insurance will get FINED $200,000 + a 5 YEAR SENTENCE ?
I downloaded the pdf a long time ago, I'm sure you have it as well, Open it and, prove your claims...
0xTRX007 2 years ago 4
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Instead of getting all upset, how about this, you read it, and post it. seeing your all hostile about it and hanging on every word here, prove the facts wrong. btw i didnt say anything about the fines you claim i said, i just stated fines would be enforced.
hancockification 2 years ago
You are full of shit... That's why no one takes you seriously,... You can't even prove your own claims... Just using your empty account to troll youtube with bullshit you can't prove...
trying to debate you is like trying to teach a donkey how to read... pointless.
0xTRX007 2 years ago 5
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wow you got me there, yep a well trained donkey who believes everything told. nope i didnt live in mass and was focreded to have required insurance, they didnt make you pay for not having insurance increasing amount each year you didnt have insurance. the hopefully not to pass senate health care wont have the same in it as i did not see when I read or heard or watched online. i definately did not do any of that on my own, no way cause i am obediant good consumer.
hancockification 2 years ago
ok want to hear my claims fine.we hear the claims every day on the news.we dont research anything for ourselves anymore.we just believe what we are told.the reason I dont just tell you what the truth is because it is up to each person to find the truth rather then believing what we see on TV. listen to the news but research it for yourself. we make this mistake every damn day. i say we cause i made this mistake for years, a mistake i wont make ever again. we all need to see for ourselves.get it?
hancockification 2 years ago
When the Democrats passed social security, all the Republicans fumed about and called them socialists.
When the Democrats passed medicare, all the Republicans fumed about and called them socialists.
When the Democrats pass this bill, all the Republicans will fume about and call them socialists.
ericzum 2 years ago 9
We are required to have a social security card to get a job. It gives a little to help when we are older or disabled from a portion of wages.
Medicare costs nothing if you choose not to have it.
This bill requires you to pay for health insurance. It requires you to buy a product that you may or may not use, and if you decline you face a penalty through your taxes. It has yet to be seen if people will be jailed because of no health insurance, all in the name of "felony tax evasion."
escalus84 2 years ago
All insurance requires you to pay for it even if you don't use it, like car insurance for an accident.
The thing is, you never "plan" on using insurance, you buy it just in case. No ever "plans" to be sick or have a car accident. If people did plan these things, insurance of any type would not exist.
Insurance is actually a lot like gambling if you think of it for longer than 2 minutes.
asant79 2 years ago
You can't compare this to car insurance. If you don't have a car, you don't have to have insurance. Health insurance will be mandatory if you're breathing.
escalus84 2 years ago 3
Exactly right...welcome to the industrialized world.
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JixMa 2 years ago
Death of America.
Intervene 2 years ago
You can kiss your liberties good-bye.
DolphinFilms 2 years ago
chill out i like to watch the sheeple try to buy for power
sirus10 2 years ago
This is why the states have to use the tenth amendment.
hstone39 2 years ago 2
These people really think we're stupid.
hstone39 2 years ago
Which republitard voted yes?
666bushisnazi666 2 years ago
Some Rep. from Louisiana....
southparkgtaca 2 years ago
repub cao from lousiana
sirus10 2 years ago
@JixMa, no your point was obviously clear that Olympia Snowe and Joe Lieberman voted in favor of the bill, which they could not vote for or against. You fail as a human being.
jersdream 2 years ago
@jersdream
I fail as a human being for getting which chamber of Congress two fucking assholes work in? Okay, cocksucker, that makes a lot of fucking sense.
JixMa 2 years ago
Let's all join hands now. We did it. 2 more battles: the Senate and the combo bill there-after.
Stick to it, guys, we have more sense and dignity than the Glenn Beck Libertarians. If you have Libertarian friends, show them that this is not bad, and make sure they aren't "Glenn Beck Libertarians." If they are, don't be friends.
southparkgtaca 2 years ago
Joseph Cao won't ever hear the end of it from his fellow GOPers.
whoo689 2 years ago
Amazin how JDTW can display his ignorance, bigotry, and general cluelessness in so few words.
What a talent
integral 2 years ago 5
Now I know what the sound of liberty being taken away from the individual sounds like....rounds of applause from politicians
Johnybama 2 years ago
So much for the dumb tea parties! One brave Republican in the group and a southerner too!
connielane 2 years ago 3
the beginning of the end
optimumperformance 2 years ago
support Kucinich's single payer!
ppolih 2 years ago 7
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Look at that. Just ONE Repiglican voted "yea" (probably that Olympia Snowe bitch) and 39 traitorous DemocRATS voted "nay" with their Repiglican buddies. I wonder how that motherfucking arch-traitor Joe LIEberman voted. I bet with the Repigs.
JixMa 2 years ago
Joseph Cao of Louisiana voted no. Olympia Snowe is in the Senate.
zombiemutt007 2 years ago 3
@zombiemutt007
Oh. Thanks. I forgot. They're all blurred together at this point after this long arduous ordeal. I'm so sick of hearing about this bullshit!
JixMa 2 years ago
You're an idiot, Lieberman and Snowe are in the U.S. SENATE....NOT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES....you have seriously shown your stupidity by commenting on the issue and not knowing what chamber of Congress those two senators are in. hahahahahha ahhahahahahahah
jersdream 2 years ago
@jersdream
Oh, yeah, right. Like there's a big fucking difference! They sure don't act like senators these days, considering matters with great deliberation and not playing petty politics, right? STFU, trying to sound like you're so fucking smart! Asshole! My point remains. They're all a bunch of assholes that vote party over the country and the people. If you missed that was my point, YOU'RE the idiot.
JixMa 2 years ago 5
roflsauce you think you're so intelligent because of one simple mistake on Jixma's part?
ROFL. what a buffoon.
NwZ2 2 years ago
@NwZ2
Thanks, NwZ2.
JixMa 2 years ago
Next the senate...this bill along with cap and trade, just another sad day in the House.
stinkyfart1234 2 years ago
Say bye bye USA
boots920 2 years ago
Welcome to expansion of government...
Orionx26 2 years ago
Government was already expanded thanks to the Bush administration....
0xTRX007 2 years ago 5