CN Train stuck on hill

[J3110M4N14]

son of a bitch that's stress  full for the train crew

[LNERMallard]

Notch 8 sure is great :)

[acdcfan40]

This is a remote control "Beltpak" unit, and yes it was stuck. You can see at the end of the video that the crew cut off some of the cars and were putting the rest on to another track to lighten the load. These are terrible units. I work for CN in Regina, Sk, and we have one there. I pulled 27 grain loads out of a track and the Beltpak wouldn't push them back up the hill into the yard. We had to cut half off, put them in another track, push the other half back, then go back to get the rest.

[russianfubar]

@acdcfan40 what do you expect? its a gp-9 "beltpak" not an sd-40. it doesn't have the weight nor tractive effort required. especialy for a fully loaded 27 car grain consist. its miscalculating for weight

[Graham987654]

@russianfubar it's not stuck he is trying to make a precision move so he has a train brake applied while he is moving, i know this cause i use the same trick at work, we do this because a lot of words can be used to describe the beltpack operation "precision and accuracy" are not among them, the software is probably at least 10 years old and thats a generous estimate

[Graham987654]

@acdcfan40 Regina!, I did yard training there 3 years ago, when did they finally get a beltpack, when i was there, it was one the last terminals to do everything with enginemen

[cdickenson64]

He was pulling out car. You can see the break in the consist as he pulls back near the end of the video.

[98bennyj]

aw look at the tiny train....

[MacintoshBoy66]

They were pushing... That could be good reasons

[re49991]

Dumb Canadian thinks if the tran is stuck he turns on the ring a ding

[Graham987654]

@re49991 in beltpack remote operation, the locomotive automatically rings the bell before each move, do some research before commenting, it not only makes you look bad but greatly offends the people (including me) who work with these thing every day

[nsrailfann4life91]

The little engine that couldn't........

[rslaser91]

clearly wasn't stuck, the engine would be reving at a much higher rpm.

[Graham987654]

@rslaser91 not really, max RPM is only 900, as apposed to 6 or 7000 on a car, but when you got 700 cubic inches (per cylinder) on a 16 cylinder engine, it doesn't need to rev high

[rslaser91]

@Graham987654 you sure about that? ive seen 1,050RPM before

[Graham987654]

@rslaser91 that's just a number i was told in training, who knows how they have modified some of these engines 1,050 RPM still isn't much though

[EMDSD14R]

A GP9RM with an slug rebuilt from an SW unit very cool...i don't think he's stuck if he was the engine would be reving higher..he might be keeping the slack in the couplers of the cars cause they are on a hill switching..either way its cool to see these units.. a friend of mine is selling 2 of them..great units they are.. i believe they were rebuilt with 645's also....my friend is also selling two M420's and 2 C425M's..great vid

[Graham987654]

@EMDSD14R who's your friend, the yard i work in in Calgary, AB needs some good enigines

[TonyCNR]

It is a GP-9 built around 1955 for Canadian National , CN Never owned any GP-20's

[azsako]

That actually looks like a GP20, the GP9 has a tall nose to the hieght of the cab.

[re49991]

if it wuz a SD70ACe it would go right up

[azervich]

GP9's are what? 16-567C rated at 1750hp? looked like it had about 12, 14 cars there, also with a slug would move that easy,

sometimes while shunting couplers jam and drivers have to do a ease up or they about to decouple some cars and driver revs up to speed the 3 cyl air compressor as that rotates with the engine.

[re49991]

that shows emd loco are junk

[MrLuebeck]

@re49991 Fuck you. GE=GreatExplosions EMD=ExcellentMovingDiesels

[CaptainZster]

@MrLuebeck GE's are great locomotives to listen to. however, the gp9 is a great locomotive.

[GEES44DC]

The yard engines can't push the tonnage up the hill. The beltpack system won't let the engine keep shoving if its loading high amps and not moving. It will get a speedometer fault and set up the brake. As for another engine - when operating in beltpack mode, you can't simply just add another engine on. You have to drop it to manual, do the brake tests and then set it back up into beltpack.

[Graham987654]

@GEES44DC you can add as many engines as you want without going to manual mode, as long as the controlling locomotive remains in beltpack mode. he simply didn't need to, you are correct however in that the beltpack will apply the brake and give a "locomotive movement failure" message, in the event that the engine revs for 20 seconds without the consist moving

[GEES44DC]

@Graham987654 You sure? I have tried it and it wouldn't release the brakes of the engine we added. We eneded up just cutting out the brakes on the second engine ... was just a transfer move so the engine was just idling anyway.

[Graham987654]

@GEES44DC it works for us all the time, as long as all four hoses and the cable are connected, there shouldn't be an issue

[GEES44DC]

@Graham987654 It was weird because the unit was set up for trail and everything was connected but the brakes just wouldn't release on it when we set the pack to a speed setting.

[Graham987654]

@GEES44DC all i can think of is a brake was still on on the control stand in the unit or it just takes a few seconds, setting up the train brake then recovering has worked for me a couple times, other than that I couldn't tell you, don't need to tell you how fussy these things are sometimes though.

[GEES44DC]

@Graham987654 Today I had to boxcar a slug set and the slug didn't want to bleed off for some reason.

[juliachan1987]

Didn't they use sand for traction since steel wheels on steel rails have no friction.

[KBowWow75]

Is that a mini engine behind it?

[GEES44DC]

@KBowWow75 The slave/slug/calf are powered by the locomotive and doubles the tractive effort making it able to be more efficient.

[Boardcasty]

I tell you... That train is NOT stuck....

[moonwalker5058]

Come on!! You can do it!!

[papabugs71]

You gotta be carfull running an old geep at high amps like that.

[Graham987654]

@papabugs71 careful?, you should see the shit we do to them just to keep them running!

[jimmyp42002]

doesn't seem very much like its getting stuck. sounds like the GP9 was trying to produce more power for the slug. because it doesn't appear to really be struggling (theres different sounds when an engine is at notch 8, and an engine at notch 8 doing work).

[deme7063]

do the slugs have sand?

[muirland16]

they have every thing but t prime mover

[deme7063]

is there a difference between a slug and a calf, or are they the same thing with different names?

[KSE828]

In the begining i thought it was HO scale.

[MrLuebeck]

Good question because I never was at Niagra Falls nor I wasn't alive in 1996. I was born in 1998.

[MrLuebeck]

The GP9 should get a GP38 and a GP40

[randknu]

The engine isn't working hard, so something is wrong i'd say. bad connection with the slug perhaps?

If the engine were working hard you'd hear it on the noise this one is just revving.

[MrLuebeck]

I think its a heavy load. So if I were you as a train driver, I would call another engine

[kbrown1075]

Yellow stobes.... looks like a remote control loco.

[iggyjill]

it is a remote control or beltpack as there called in Canada

[kbrown1075]

Thanks. Made by Canac... I work on the RR.

[6V92TA]

if that GP9 has more than 1 slug unit operating, it has no choice but to keep the throttle up, hints why its reving high and bearly moving

[Donsfast]

its in the video!!

[Donsfast]

He isnt stuck....they are disconnecting cars up ahead.

[edukazzz]

how steap the hill was ????

[LT19C1SS]

It wasn't a very big hill, it didn't took much to stop this train...

[Alexking99]

@LT19C1SS you could have told him to put it full throttle unless he was on full throttle through the whole video