The thing is when the St. Fransico Peace Treaty was signed in 1951, Taiwan was virtually set free , free from other´s ruling.Eversine Taiwan made it´s effort and became fully functionable as a nation.
it's so funny to watch arguing Chinese and Taiwanese with which celebrities are prettier. does that give you any taiwan or taiwan's independence? LMAO hahahahaha
Taiwan should obviously be independent. China needs to change, btw im chinese too so Please dunt hate me . Chinese government is shit, useless governers for example. They have been arguin for so long about the fact that Taiwan is part of China, so what?they havent done anything about it. and the Olympic song wasafailure i dunt get why the commitee didnt choose jay chou's qian shanwan shui. And this is my belief China needs to Change. Peac, this is just my opinion please dunt feel offended by it
its obvious that taiwan should be recognised as a country they are still the official government just because they were forced out by the communist scum does not prevent them being legitimate. the PRC should be forced to abandon this ridiculous one china policy
Zhang Ziyi is Mainland Chinese Zhou Xun is Mainland Chinese Jet Li is Mainland Chinese Jane Zhang is Mainland Chinese Vicki Zhao is Mainland Chinese Liu Yi Fei is Mainland Chinese Li Yu Chun is Mainland Chinese Huang Xiao Ming is Mainland Chinese Those people are ALL from Mainland China. Go Go China Chinese Pride!!!!
coll celebrities my ass.. all the confu shit, fuking gay china men.. jacky chen suck.. Ket li is alrite. and that all? Taiwan has HEAPS of awsome music singers & composers + actors and actress... so there.. Taiwan > china anytime. all u chinamen has is ur people and army.. gg
u wanna know more Chinese celebs? We have Jane Zhang, Li Yuchun, Zhou Bichang, Liu Yi Fei, Huang XiaoMing and Anson Hu. If u search for them on Wikipedia u will know what I'm talking about.
BTW China won the 2007 Miss World Comopetition, did u know thta?
Zhang Ziyi is Mainland Chinese Zhou Xun is Mainland Chinese Jet Li is Mainland Chinese Jane Zhang is Mainland Chinese Vicki Zhao is Mainland Chinese Liu Yi Fei is Mainland Chinese Li Yu Chun is Mainland Chinese Huang Xiao Ming is Mainland Chinese Those people are ALL from Mainland China. Go Go China Chinese Pride!!!!
There exists a great illusion that all is well in China. If this were the case, it would be unnecessary for the government to implement such fierce controls over the media. As prosperity slowly whittles away at nationalism, you will see China shake off its old yoke and become a world power that can hold its head up proudly and call itself an example to all.
It is not the right time that China becomes the world power. The US will remain the world power for another half a century or another century. Also, the EU is even stronger than China.
Even though China has a strong influence in ASEAN, middle Eat and Africa, but Chinese influence is limited.
This coming from another ignorant bigot who thinks China is still communist, tell you what, China started walking away from Communism since 1978. USA will remain as a super power for another century? What a joke, public opinion of US leadership has already decreased damatrically, also their economy is in the worst shape since post war and depend on China for buying their debts and T bonds. I hardly believe that the USA will remain as a superpower in the next decades.
I fully agree that Taiwan is separate from China. They practially have their own seat on the UN. Looks like Tibet and Western China will be independent soon too.
The U.S. side declared: The United States ac- knowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China. The United States Govern- ment does not challenge that position. It reaffirms its interest in a peaceful settlement of the Taiwan question by the Chinese themselves. With this pros- pect in mind, it affirms the ultimate objective of the withdrawal of all U.S. forces and military installa- tions from Taiwan
lol betb08113, internet thug acting hard. Please don't be an internet gangster. Bet you never touched a gun in life. Or maybe you were a soldier for 2 month coz they forced you.
You are totally misunderstand my meanings! UN for "TAIWAN" means "Taiwan" needs UN's help or salvation. So, I say "Taiwanese" want money. Anyway, sorry about the word bitch.
You don't know the real situation in CHINA, because you live in a non-trust society, as known as "hypocritical democracy". I am pretty sympathize you!
all you guys are brainwash. I know about the website when i was there. They lock tons of ya website. I learn first hand how communist works when i was there. In the condition u guys live in.. its sad.. how many kids can u have? u have freedom to decide that?
If one Mainland China dares to invade Taiwan, he will be killed. If two Manland China people come, two will be killed. If 3 come, they will be killed. If all 2.3 million mainland China armforces come together, all of them will be all killed.
Don't dare to come to invade Taiwan. Taiwan doesn't wanna anyone to die or kill anyone, but don't push Taiwan or the people of Taiwan to do so.
US House of Congress is pushing Bush administration to sell 66 F16 CD to Taiwan. Taiwan will soon get this powerful attack air-craf. Taiwan have enough weapons and airforces to protect herself from the Chinese invasion.
Who wants to be a communist? Please raise your hand. Who wants religion prosecution? Please raise your hand. Who wants internet censhorship, please raise you hand.
Let see how many of you wants to be communist. Why are they so many illegal immigrants to get to U.S from China?...hmmmm very strange
dementia664 says "Do you think that most Taiwanese really want to reunited with a hardlined CCP government?"
Nobody want to reunite with CCP government, no one ever propose that. 1 country 2 system is perfect for China and Taiwan. I think it's a genius policy. If the you don't have faith in it, that would be solely your problem.
dementia664 says "it's promised autonomy and by the merger their autonomy will be reduced even more"
I don't care what's US position, because US government are evil to me...everything they do seems to have make me sick. Yes we can debate over this infinitely, because we both speculating without hard evidence. I gave you a logic explaination that china can only be more liberal in the future, but you refuse to accept it and decided to continue with your baseless accusation.
dementia664 says "In reality Taiwan has been independent since ROC fled to the island"
That's just an widely accepted illusion, it's not reality. The truth is, before ROC fled to Taiwan, taiwan's rebels was claiming independence from ROC in the 228 incident due to corruption within KMT.
After Chiang Kai Shiek and his KMT (ROC) fled to taiwan, he become president. So taiwan never did independent...
dementia664 says "Let Taiwanese determining their own future"
If they prefer a democratic way to determining Taiwan's fate. I think it's fair to let every mainland chinese to participate in the voting of whether Taiwan should integrate with China or not.
dementia664 says "diverting their attention away from promised liberties ....."
Almost every Hongkongers wish to leave Hongkong, just before 1997 when Hongkong is on schedule to merge with China. 2007 now, isn't China already have prove them wrong? Does merging Hongkong with China create the culture problem or freedom problem that you've mentioned earlier? No it didn't...
What makes you think those problem will surface when merging Shenzhen with Hongkong...?
Same case, there's no reason to take away Hongkongers freedom while HongKong is so peaceful during the last 10 years after reunited with China. China and Hongkong's reunification is a success, what makes you thinks china would want to destroy that? Simple nonsense...
dementia664 says "Yes, CCP wants stability- meaning they want to be able to enact as great control over people as possible"
Let me make an analogy, will you lock your dogs in chains because in nature they tends to attacks strangers? No you don't. But you have to lock them up when they barking wildly at your guests that come to visit you. Because your dogs were clearly fired up to attack someone...
I suppose this is what you meant. HK likes to continue writing mandarin and prefer speaking cantonese, because they're lazy to adopt speaking mandarin.
I don't know whether Hongkong have already start teaching children to speak mandarin in school or not. But... for your infomation, cantonese is mandarin, but different pronunciation.
Actually, i was really confused at first when you keep saying Hongkongers want to protect their culture, since Hongkonger's culture is no different from mainland Chinese culture.
actually, u the one brainwashed 2 beleive all the ROC yellow monkeys liars! taiwan is part of CHINA and USA weants 2 destabilize China 2 have hegomony over world! but u just one of those mindless idiots who beleive usa is doing rightoues war in iraq!
Taiwan is a truely democratic country, while China is a a real communist, which doesn't offer freedom to people, respect human right, free speech and press, and so on.
Taiwan deserves to be independent like East Timor.
Just sooner or later, Taiwan will be a fully and internationaly independent country.
Taiwan will be a fully independent country, just sooner or later.
However, Taiwanese people should join hand in hand to fight against the communist China to get full independence for people of Taiwan.
Victory to Taiwan, Independence to Taiwan, Democracy to Taiwan, human rights to Taiwan, Developement to Taiwan, Prosperity to Taiwan, Peace and security to Taiwan.
God are always and will always be with Taiwan and the people of Taiwan.
You claims CCP's concept of stability is more important, but isn't it contradict another claim of yours that hongkonger will be forced to follow mainland laws? Common sense will tell the latter will cause major riots in Hongkong and stirring instability. Your argumant simply does not hold water and "Hongkonger will be forced to follow mainland laws" is complete ridicule.
This is 21st century, everything can be negotiated and compromise. Human being are more civil than ever. "Give me liberty or give me death" is simply barbarian philosophy, i hope taiwanese won't adopt that kind of thinking. China will never reclaims taiwan by force if taiwan does not declare independence. People who provoke taiwan to declare independence is definitely a sin because they clearly hoping a war between taiwan and china to happen.
Cantonese is orginated from Canton Aka Guang Dong Not Hong Kong. Roots of cantonese culture is in Guang Dong. Cantonese could be majority in HK but there are Hokkien, Hakka, Hannan and many others too. So i think it's nonsense that you claims cantonese want to keep their culture in tact.
dementia664, We must look at the degree of the merging of the two cities. They must compromise with things that can and cannot be merge in order to achieve something great. Nobody would want to set back the success of the relationship that have already achieved between HongKong and China, because that would be ridiculous. Remember agreement can never be achieve by force. If that's was the case, taiwan already reunited with China by force. Am i right?
dementia664, we have to look at the benifit when something is about to be done. Does taking away HongKong's freedom or implementing mainland civil law will benifit mainland China? No No No. Come on, let's not be childish. Merging two big cities could be a huge thing, has any country done that before? The main purpose of it, is to improve HongKong's long term competitiveness in the region.
So far I am not impressed with Pan-greens' position. They seem to talk the talk, but fail to walk the walk. Everything is here a symbolic gesture of some higher moral grounds. In the end the geopolitical great powers, as in the past years, will determine Taiwan's faith. Don't trap yourself in the limbos of self-fulfilling delusion. Maintaining the current statues quo, however imperfect, is not that bad.
I think the problem is Taiwan doesn't have faith in China. Reunification between china and hongkong has proven to be successful. Does taiwan did ever consider taking the same path as hongkong? In my opinion, taiwan's fight for independence is merely taiwan's political interest, it has nothing to do with human rights.
dementia664, I don't get a lot of things happening around the world today too. Such as why US invade Iraq in the name of war on terror? I wonder how it could have been, if taiwan was oil rich. lol you know what i mean...
Ah..dementia664, i thought you only care about Tibet. Anyway, china's growing military is to defend US attacks. China without strong military to balance American military power is the same as a person walking around naked. Since the fall of the soviet union, world's superpower has lost it balance, which turns America a bully today. The world doesn't fear America, but we fear the Devil who's controlling it...
Idiotic taiwanese, you are just a pawn of the United States to crush China. Will you people wake the fuck up? Chinese are your flesh and blood, neither the American nor Japanese...Provoking taiwan to declare independent is part of their conspiracy to erupt WW3 (WORLD WAR III people!!!!).
Watch these videos,
1. "Invisible government China/japan/Hong kong Illuminati Pt. 5"
Some 55 percent of "American people (USA)" have shown their support for Taiwan's bid to join the United Nations. The percentage would shoot up to 70 percent if Taiwan passes a national referendum, in an interview published in the German weekly Spiegel yesterday. Leading newspapers, such as the Wall Street Journal, Seattle Times & Oklahoman have voiced their support for Taiwan's U.N. membership bid. Many U.S. congressmen issued statements to uphold Taiwan's right to enter the U.N.
A survey report issued by Zogby International, one of the three leading public opinion firms in the U.S., as indicating that 55 percent of American people polled said Taiwan should be allowed into the U.N., and that the percentage had shot up 15 percentage points to 70 percent if Taiwan's national referendum on its U.N. bid is endorsed by a majority of Taiwanese citizens
Follow your Japanese masters and go back to Japan. If you want a war with China just make sure you don't drag us (USA) into it. Feel free to buy our old and used weaponries; show me the money!
hey At least Japan would actaully take care of Taiwan...unlike China who'll just fuk it over and use it as a money maker and leech off its profits..... exactly like what they did to Hong Kong right after they took them back in...sighs....poor Cantonese... all got deceived by the big bastard called China...
oh for your USA stupidity...well...I just hope that not all americans are as dumb as you are... bowing down to bush and letting him usurp u guys....jsut like how the china communist leader is doing to its ppl....the only diffrence is that those poor peasants in china are enslaved...and you're jsut pure stupid
ignore that thing (antiquitiesus). he's not American, had a debate with him on another Taiwan vid and he knows shit about the US. he's just sent by his CCP owners/masters to try to cause conflict and anti-US sentiment. If the US doesn't defend Taiwan, it will lose all credibility and any of thier talk of demcoracy becomes horseshit! In any case, Taiwanese must stay united first!
ileect - ignore that thing (antiquitiesus). I fully agree with u. Tat dumb-ass claims he is American, but he is just a Racists from China. I read many of his comments, but always contradictory. Just treat him as "chink asshole" who hides under the ussie sheepskin.
rediculous my butt ~~ legal or not, Taiwan being a nation that can sustain itself is the truth, everyone knows that. Just that most fail to admit it on a more legal scale because they wanna do buisness with the big bad wolf ~~ its all about the money...mmoney money money.... makes me sick but...ah well most ppl inthe world are like that....
you are ridiculous.you dont know that america and japan whom send the letter to china to announce" they dont think taiwan is a country but they dont agree that taiwan is belong to china" please read more the international news.chinese people
Taiwan is the 17th largest economy in the world, 14th largest exporter and 16th largest importer, and the third largest holder of foreign exchange reserves, with over US $180 billion.
Rank Country GDP (millions of USD) — Gross world product 48,144,466 1 United States 13,244,550 2 Japan 4,367,459 3 Germany 2,897,032 4 People's Republic of China 2,630,113 2 5 United Kingdom 2,373,685 6 France 2,231,631 7 Italy 1,852,585 8 Canada 1,269,096 9 Spain 1,225,750 10 Brazil 1,067,706 11 Russia 979,048 12 South Korea 888,267 the real list, if you calculate everything made in each of those countries in 2006.
the list is wrong, nations should be ranked based on nominal GDP at current exchange rates every other list (including the ones you find in atlas's) fabricate everything.
nominal GDP is the index used to form groups like the G8 and G20, and the main indicator of economic power used by economist dot com, the World Bank Group, and the IMF. I think it is the only real indicator since it is the only one that uses current exchange rates (which change every day). PPP method (which I think you're using) uses exchange rates that are 10+ years old (which could have changed by a lot over that time).
Heh...I thought Li Ao had says Taiwan already in the UN and why Taiwan still needs to be in UN again? puzzle!!!
mikeleekok 1 year ago
The thing is when the St. Fransico Peace Treaty was signed in 1951, Taiwan was virtually set free , free from other´s ruling.Eversine Taiwan made it´s effort and became fully functionable as a nation.
moello888 2 years ago
it's so funny to watch arguing Chinese and Taiwanese with which celebrities are prettier. does that give you any taiwan or taiwan's independence? LMAO hahahahaha
donmai2862 2 years ago
Taiwan should obviously be independent. China needs to change, btw im chinese too so Please dunt hate me . Chinese government is shit, useless governers for example. They have been arguin for so long about the fact that Taiwan is part of China, so what?they havent done anything about it. and the Olympic song wasafailure i dunt get why the commitee didnt choose jay chou's qian shanwan shui. And this is my belief China needs to Change. Peac, this is just my opinion please dunt feel offended by it
xL2x 3 years ago 3
賊, 賊, 扁家全部是賊 - 通通進監獄
antiquitiesus 3 years ago
Taiwan GO YAYA
sssdfghj1 3 years ago 2
Taiwan is a country!!sorry chinese supporters...but that's the truth!Taiwan go on!
caraculo18 3 years ago 3
its obvious that taiwan should be recognised as a country they are still the official government just because they were forced out by the communist scum does not prevent them being legitimate. the PRC should be forced to abandon this ridiculous one china policy
lordjay82 3 years ago 2
coolHipHopFan 3 years ago
fuking hate china
pento433 3 years ago
Hahaha China has cool celebrities. Now ur jealous fuckface.
coolHipHopFan 3 years ago
coll celebrities my ass.. all the confu shit, fuking gay china men.. jacky chen suck.. Ket li is alrite. and that all? Taiwan has HEAPS of awsome music singers & composers + actors and actress... so there.. Taiwan > china anytime. all u chinamen has is ur people and army.. gg
pento433 3 years ago 2
u wanna know more Chinese celebs? We have Jane Zhang, Li Yuchun, Zhou Bichang, Liu Yi Fei, Huang XiaoMing and Anson Hu. If u search for them on Wikipedia u will know what I'm talking about.
BTW China won the 2007 Miss World Comopetition, did u know thta?
I guess not Hahaha
coolHipHopFan 3 years ago
I really agree that Taiwan is a country and that taiwan and taiwanese need to be in the UN.
MeLonTooN 3 years ago 7
coolHipHopFan 3 years ago
台湾人写的是中国字 讲的是中国话 吃的是中国菜 人就是中国种 想分开都不行
xiaoxingxing1988 3 years ago
台灣的人民們 殺了我們看到的所有中國人吧!!!!!把他們開腸剖肚!!!!!!把中國人的頭砍下來當足球踢!!!!!
TWvincent0526 3 years ago 2
only Taiwan independent Taiwan have future,Taiwan become part of China Taiwan will haven't future!!!
Taiwanese folk have been birth!!!!we must against Chinese Nazi!!!!!
TWvincent0526 3 years ago 6
There exists a great illusion that all is well in China. If this were the case, it would be unnecessary for the government to implement such fierce controls over the media. As prosperity slowly whittles away at nationalism, you will see China shake off its old yoke and become a world power that can hold its head up proudly and call itself an example to all.
antityranny 3 years ago
It is not the right time that China becomes the world power. The US will remain the world power for another half a century or another century. Also, the EU is even stronger than China.
Even though China has a strong influence in ASEAN, middle Eat and Africa, but Chinese influence is limited.
Malin88888 3 years ago
Because they're fucking communist minded soul-less people from hell.
VincentCheng93 3 years ago
This coming from another ignorant bigot who thinks China is still communist, tell you what, China started walking away from Communism since 1978. USA will remain as a super power for another century? What a joke, public opinion of US leadership has already decreased damatrically, also their economy is in the worst shape since post war and depend on China for buying their debts and T bonds. I hardly believe that the USA will remain as a superpower in the next decades.
Deuszxable 2 years ago
@Malin88888 yes but china as a pile of money, and USA is bankrupt. THe chinese kill off competition werever they go.
am1966ath 1 year ago
I fully agree that Taiwan is separate from China. They practially have their own seat on the UN. Looks like Tibet and Western China will be independent soon too.
maryshelly2 3 years ago 2
The U.S. side declared: The United States ac- knowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China. The United States Govern- ment does not challenge that position. It reaffirms its interest in a peaceful settlement of the Taiwan question by the Chinese themselves. With this pros- pect in mind, it affirms the ultimate objective of the withdrawal of all U.S. forces and military installa- tions from Taiwan
csseoh 3 years ago
Taiwan is NOT part of China. Taiwan is Taiwan. I am an American and I think Taiwan is a country.
我真愛台灣!
usedtype 3 years ago 4
Nice to hear that. Yep, Taiwan is a sovereign nation. Thanks for your support!
Malin88888 3 years ago
LoneLive Taiwan folk!!!!Kill all Chinese!!!!!
TWvincent0526 3 years ago 4
yep it is a country!=)
MeLonTooN 3 years ago 4
台灣已經是一個完整的國家
台灣有獨特的歷史和文化
台灣人知識水準高,有勇氣,有骨氣
台灣人愛好和平,幫助世人的大愛心懷世界第一
台灣人活的有自由,有尊嚴
台灣的經濟活力強!
台灣人的民主素養更是全亞第一!
所以呢,中國在那自言其說,也不看看中國自己在一個國家的全方位的發展落後台灣太多了! 看看中國當局如何對待中國的"香港同胞(沒有言論自由,沒有信仰自由),西藏同胞(次等公民,傳統的信仰被中國刻意破壞)"。當然 香港同胞和西藏同胞會抗議中國當局,因為當了中國同胞後發現代價不值得啊!
vlner289 3 years ago 2
聯合抵制低等動物加入聯合國 就是身為常任理事國的義務 也是每個地球人的使命
chinidragon 3 years ago
同胞们,政治永远只是政治,蒋先生相信,和毛先生是对手.但是他们也都相信自己是中华民族.谁是主席或者总统很重要吗?让政治去bullshit吧.我们都是中华民族,难道不是吗?是中华民国,还是中华人民共和国又很重要吗?我们我们应该团结!我们应该互助!我们应该记住,我们都是一家人!
Lqseven 4 years ago 2
我也赞成!
Donna0088 4 years ago
Too crazy!!!
Donna0088 4 years ago
另外 我也說過了 你們敢帶武器來 我們就趕讓你們拖著屍體回去
能不打仗誰想打仗?
你想想 當如果有人想要侵占你的家鄉 你會不會打?
當然你也許說你不會打 但是對我來說誰敢來打這片土地的主意 誰就要付出代價
betb08113 4 years ago
中国政府和中国人民是从来就不想用武力来解决中国和台湾的问题,更不想伤害台湾人民,武力解决只是下下策,因为中国政府是绝对不会让任何人或者任何一个组织来分割中国的,反国家分裂法,也许你们都听过吧!
Donna0088 4 years ago
lol betb08113, internet thug acting hard. Please don't be an internet gangster. Bet you never touched a gun in life. Or maybe you were a soldier for 2 month coz they forced you.
Flyaaaa 4 years ago
我們歡迎大陸的朋友帶著親朋好友來台灣旅遊
我們會讓你們帶著還會想再來的心回去
但是若是帶著槍帶著武器來
我們是會讓你們帶著你同袍的遺體回去...
betb08113 4 years ago
带武器去是杀分裂分子的,你是无辜的,再不要跟着那些人混!
lkj17 4 years ago
另外既然你跟我講民主自由的話那我想請問你們
台灣人的命運因該是由我們自己決定沒有錯吧?
那為什麼又要你們又要來跟干涉我們?
我們想要獨立想要統一 想要幹什麼 都是我們自己的決定
你們憑什麼來干涉我們?
betb08113 4 years ago
干涉你们?你们的政权跟北京政府作对,难道不要镇压?不镇压的话,共产党就要等着民众镇压了!你看看89年的事件就知道,政府不改革民众就要造反!现在是同理可证,全世界华人是不会容许台湾独立的!
lkj17 4 years ago
我知道你們教科書上教的是台灣是中國的
這算是思想改造吧
其實小弟我在國中之前並不會討厭大陸 但是因為sars那段期間 貴國的某部長在國際媒體上講了一句:誰理你們(不知道自己去査)從那時候我就開始在怨恨大陸政府 而且又常常受到大陸武力威脅 就算不怨恨 不討厭到最後也會變的很討厭你們
betb08113 4 years ago
思想改造?台湾本身就是中国的,以前是现在也应该是!
我知道沙祖康骂过你们的代表,但你知不知道你们的代表团是为了争取世界卫生组织的名额?台湾不是一个主权国家,这一点是毋庸置疑的!还有你们不独立,谁威胁你们?
有一些事情,你自己想一下再来讲!
lkj17 4 years ago
我們不獨立...是喔...我看看,到底是行政,立法,司法,法律制度,軍事,外交,央行,貨幣政策,財政政策,...到底是哪一項不是台灣自己管的?喔,我好像聽到你說因為別人不承認所以就不算.原來是這樣,所以說我如果拿槍指著你說你不是人你是狗,要是誰敢說你是人我就開槍,這樣別人不敢承認你是人你就真的不是人喔?有趣有趣,原來你們是這麼的相信強權即公理.'台灣本身就是中國的',這就要問什麼叫中國?你可能不知道'中國'做為現代國家的意義是非常晚近的事情.清帝國為了幹掉設基地於海外的鄭家集團用武力攻打台灣,還因為實在不想把台灣納入版圖而討論了八個月,但為了防制其他西方強權站台而威脅到清國沿海地區而決定納入版圖而對部分領土進行消極的管理,清帝國皇帝也多次宣稱台灣自古不是中國的一部分,自己去查,但清帝國統治過台灣是不可否認的事實.但你如果要拿這個標準套到世界歷史無數的類似案例就不得了了,誰統治過誰,誰'本身就是誰的',你想想看,假設美國沒投下兩顆核彈而日本就成功的統治了china兩百多年,那china就變成"本身就是日本的"嗎?好像又聽到你說不一樣,因為台灣人是漢人而中國人與日本人不一樣
charliemaine01 3 years ago
埃,我剛寫了一大堆結果不小心把他刪掉.哈,總之,有趣的是,基因遺傳學研究顯出,過去一直被稱為是台灣的'漢人'的基因最大的組成成分為原住民還有東亞地區的祖先,北漢人平均佔不到15%.而中國的'漢人'相對的與韓國以及日本地區的人們比較接近,共同祖先比較多.跟你從小被灌輸的不一樣吧.別生氣,事情本來就是這樣,人類自古就是愛到處跑不斷遷徙不斷通婚的動物.世界上沒有一個國家有單一簡單的族裔.現代國家與族裔是兩個不同的觀念,你們卻硬要兩個混為一談,讓我們很難跟你進行有意義的溝通.
charliemaine01 3 years ago
难道只有闽南人能和台湾人团结?看来你很排外啊!
lkj17 4 years ago
你這外省人懂個屁呀?你會說閩南話呀?你這樣的態度難怪臺灣同胞看不起你們打陸人,還有什么資格說支持統一??
goddamnedMF 4 years ago
lol if you're going to post a video showing legitimacy of Taiwanese independence, at least use your own song, not a song ripped off from Korea
antijg 4 years ago
you mean "Friend" is from "South Korea"???
lkj17 4 years ago
不知道為什麼最近有好多大陸人喜歡故意打正體中文
怎麼 不打殘體中文拉?
betb08113 4 years ago
打什么中文是我们的自由,输入法上也就是一个按钮!
你,一个标榜"民主国家"的"公民"竟敢威胁人家的"民主自由"!
由此可见"台湾"是"hypocritcal democratic nation"(伪善的民主国家)
lkj17 4 years ago
挖賽 我竟然可以從大陸人嘴巴聽到自由兩個字耶...
對了你們youtobe不是被管制或封網了嗎
還有大陸實施的是共產專制而不是自由民主
身為大陸人的您 因該很清楚吧 在貴國是談不到自由的
betb08113 4 years ago
我不知道你从拿听见youtube被封了,至少现在没有!
自由,我告诉你,最没有资格谈自由的正是你们台湾人,你们的思想都没你们政府严重妖魔化了,见到大陆人就想到共产暴政!我们的教科书上可是写"我们祖国美丽的宝岛台湾"的,请你放弃冷战思维,现在年代不同了!欢迎来中国大陆看看实际情况。
lkj17 4 years ago
台湾人和大陆人有什么区别????
Donna0088 4 years ago
簡單阿 不同國家
charliemaine01 3 years ago 2
This has been flagged as spam show
UN for Taiwan??? Taiwanese bitch want more money???
lkj17 4 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Taiwanese bitches need more money cos we are beautiful with white big butts and bushs and we work hard. So we should deserve more money.
We work hard for our lives, for human rights, freedom of speech, and so on. Therefore, we deserved to be a UN member.
Malin88888 4 years ago
You are totally misunderstand my meanings! UN for "TAIWAN" means "Taiwan" needs UN's help or salvation. So, I say "Taiwanese" want money. Anyway, sorry about the word bitch.
lkj17 4 years ago
CHINA goverment lets you see youtube? they didnt lock this website? your goverment might have money but the people over lives a really bad life.
luisyang 4 years ago
You don't know the real situation in CHINA, because you live in a non-trust society, as known as "hypocritical democracy". I am pretty sympathize you!
lkj17 4 years ago
all you guys are brainwash. I know about the website when i was there. They lock tons of ya website. I learn first hand how communist works when i was there. In the condition u guys live in.. its sad.. how many kids can u have? u have freedom to decide that?
luisyang 4 years ago
中國的歷史把太多種族都歸類番,還是什麼突厥,匈奴,倭寇?? 這是一個問題啊..台灣有很多人都有台灣原住民的血統,台灣原住民可能來自歐亞大陸,中南半島,或是大洋洲..不是每個黃皮膚的人都是炎黃子孫啦
VincentMLE 4 years ago 2
过去的历史不是谁可以改变的,发生过的永远都不可以抹去!
Donna0088 4 years ago
你祖先被日本人草多了吧?
真不想骂你?
台毒份子!!!
hw3846760 4 years ago
2008年见分晓.
Donna0088 4 years ago
新疆维吾尔还是来自中东呢!人家都是中国人,你为什么不是?
lkj17 4 years ago
歌很好聽^^~
b8940120 4 years ago
你們這些中國人,你們就是不知道民主的可貴
不像你們這些中國人假民主自我陶醉,搞得好像自己很民主一樣
國家那麼大都治理不好了\,還想要台灣,真是不要臉啊!
中國大陸 治安差 衛生條件差 物品品質差(黑心貨一堆) 人民素養差
.....總而言之中國大陸什麼都很差~中國大陸這個尚未開發又不民主的鴨霸國家
還有很長的一段路要走呢?
kuanyu1104 4 years ago
我觉得不管台湾有没有独立都是由他们老百姓决定的,我们中国人没有你说得那么差,你觉得你现在不是中国人,但你的祖先们没有一个是中国人吗?你难道不觉得你在骂得太过分了吗?中国虽然没有那么民主,但是和平。这也是我们中国老百姓所希望有的生活。
Donna0088 4 years ago
朋友別生氣 我國人民不恨中國人 也不討厭中國人 只是不喜歡貴國政府 下面的朋友也不是針對中國人說話 是針對貴國政府 因為貪污 霸道 不顧人權 和極權專制!
或許表達的太白話聽起來像是攻擊貴國人民 實在不好意思
身為台灣人跟您說聲對不起啦! 別氣了
JohnHsieh1 4 years ago
我们只气"台毒"份子!!!
hw3846760 4 years ago
你說的話,很難得.謝謝你說,不管台灣有沒有獨立,都是由我們可以自己決定的!
希望我們真的可以自己決定.
也相信中國人沒有那麼差.
希望兩邊都會更好. 個人希望是兩國都會更好.
祖先裡,很可能不是中國人啊..
VincentMLE 4 years ago
台毒=战争=死亡
hw3846760 4 years ago
請你來看看,看看現在的中國是什麽水平(估計你不敢來)
來的話呢,我們熱情歡迎台灣平民
不管你們怎樣看我們,我們不把平民當作敵人,不會的
我估計中國會和你想象的不太一樣哦。
taiwanhandover 4 years ago
中国的确变了很多哦,现在的广东省也要令人刮目相看了/
Donna0088 4 years ago
你去中国我真的不知道你是属于拿个阶层的,高级的东西你买不起,便宜的你又不愿买!
天天嚷嚷台毒,对你有什么好处?跟中国作对你有什么好处?
另外我告诉你那些台毒分子真正目的不是台独而是反华,你不要被他们利用了!
lkj17 4 years ago
I was born in Europe and have lived in Europe most of my life. No matter where i am, i am really proud to be Taiwanese.
Yes, i do support Taiwan Independent. They will be independent regardless.
chriseverclear 4 years ago
Fuck this ! UN for Taiwan is impossible forever and Taiwan is a part of China forever !
raymond8871 4 years ago
Wait and see, man. Taiwan and the people of Taiwan will be known and recognized globally and internationally.
Not only UN but other international org. will be for Taiwan as well.
Malin88888 4 years ago
silence!!!! and don't F..k too much!
JohnHsieh1 4 years ago
it is for raymond8871
JohnHsieh1 4 years ago
If one Mainland China dares to invade Taiwan, he will be killed. If two Manland China people come, two will be killed. If 3 come, they will be killed. If all 2.3 million mainland China armforces come together, all of them will be all killed.
Don't dare to come to invade Taiwan. Taiwan doesn't wanna anyone to die or kill anyone, but don't push Taiwan or the people of Taiwan to do so.
Malin88888 4 years ago
really?
Donna0088 4 years ago
US House of Congress is pushing Bush administration to sell 66 F16 CD to Taiwan. Taiwan will soon get this powerful attack air-craf. Taiwan have enough weapons and airforces to protect herself from the Chinese invasion.
Malin88888 4 years ago
yes...Taiwan is a part of China...Forever..
Donna0088 4 years ago
Who wants to be a communist? Please raise your hand. Who wants religion prosecution? Please raise your hand. Who wants internet censhorship, please raise you hand.
Let see how many of you wants to be communist. Why are they so many illegal immigrants to get to U.S from China?...hmmmm very strange
chriseverclear 4 years ago 2
in your dream forever.
chriseverclear 4 years ago
dementia664 says "Do you think that most Taiwanese really want to reunited with a hardlined CCP government?"
Nobody want to reunite with CCP government, no one ever propose that. 1 country 2 system is perfect for China and Taiwan. I think it's a genius policy. If the you don't have faith in it, that would be solely your problem.
whizkid3 4 years ago
dementia664 says "you are saying that they are like wild irresponsible beasts"
Don't try to twist my point in a cheap way...I don't want to lose my repect to you.
whizkid3 4 years ago
dementia664 says "it's promised autonomy and by the merger their autonomy will be reduced even more"
I don't care what's US position, because US government are evil to me...everything they do seems to have make me sick. Yes we can debate over this infinitely, because we both speculating without hard evidence. I gave you a logic explaination that china can only be more liberal in the future, but you refuse to accept it and decided to continue with your baseless accusation.
whizkid3 4 years ago
dementia664 says "In reality Taiwan has been independent since ROC fled to the island"
That's just an widely accepted illusion, it's not reality. The truth is, before ROC fled to Taiwan, taiwan's rebels was claiming independence from ROC in the 228 incident due to corruption within KMT.
After Chiang Kai Shiek and his KMT (ROC) fled to taiwan, he become president. So taiwan never did independent...
whizkid3 4 years ago
dementia664 says "Let Taiwanese determining their own future"
If they prefer a democratic way to determining Taiwan's fate. I think it's fair to let every mainland chinese to participate in the voting of whether Taiwan should integrate with China or not.
whizkid3 4 years ago
dementia664 says "diverting their attention away from promised liberties ....."
Almost every Hongkongers wish to leave Hongkong, just before 1997 when Hongkong is on schedule to merge with China. 2007 now, isn't China already have prove them wrong? Does merging Hongkong with China create the culture problem or freedom problem that you've mentioned earlier? No it didn't...
What makes you think those problem will surface when merging Shenzhen with Hongkong...?
whizkid3 4 years ago
Same case, there's no reason to take away Hongkongers freedom while HongKong is so peaceful during the last 10 years after reunited with China. China and Hongkong's reunification is a success, what makes you thinks china would want to destroy that? Simple nonsense...
whizkid3 4 years ago
dementia664 says "Yes, CCP wants stability- meaning they want to be able to enact as great control over people as possible"
Let me make an analogy, will you lock your dogs in chains because in nature they tends to attacks strangers? No you don't. But you have to lock them up when they barking wildly at your guests that come to visit you. Because your dogs were clearly fired up to attack someone...
whizkid3 4 years ago
I suppose this is what you meant. HK likes to continue writing mandarin and prefer speaking cantonese, because they're lazy to adopt speaking mandarin.
I don't know whether Hongkong have already start teaching children to speak mandarin in school or not. But... for your infomation, cantonese is mandarin, but different pronunciation.
whizkid3 4 years ago
dementia664 says "HK like their culture"
Actually, i was really confused at first when you keep saying Hongkongers want to protect their culture, since Hongkonger's culture is no different from mainland Chinese culture.
whizkid3 4 years ago
actually, u the one brainwashed 2 beleive all the ROC yellow monkeys liars! taiwan is part of CHINA and USA weants 2 destabilize China 2 have hegomony over world! but u just one of those mindless idiots who beleive usa is doing rightoues war in iraq!
yuukiloveu 4 years ago
there is only one China & Taiwan is part of China!
Donna0088 4 years ago
Taiwan is a truely democratic country, while China is a a real communist, which doesn't offer freedom to people, respect human right, free speech and press, and so on.
Taiwan deserves to be independent like East Timor.
Just sooner or later, Taiwan will be a fully and internationaly independent country.
Malin88888 4 years ago
Taiwan will be a fully independent country, just sooner or later.
However, Taiwanese people should join hand in hand to fight against the communist China to get full independence for people of Taiwan.
Victory to Taiwan, Independence to Taiwan, Democracy to Taiwan, human rights to Taiwan, Developement to Taiwan, Prosperity to Taiwan, Peace and security to Taiwan.
God are always and will always be with Taiwan and the people of Taiwan.
Malin88888 4 years ago
You claims CCP's concept of stability is more important, but isn't it contradict another claim of yours that hongkonger will be forced to follow mainland laws? Common sense will tell the latter will cause major riots in Hongkong and stirring instability. Your argumant simply does not hold water and "Hongkonger will be forced to follow mainland laws" is complete ridicule.
whizkid3 4 years ago
This is 21st century, everything can be negotiated and compromise. Human being are more civil than ever. "Give me liberty or give me death" is simply barbarian philosophy, i hope taiwanese won't adopt that kind of thinking. China will never reclaims taiwan by force if taiwan does not declare independence. People who provoke taiwan to declare independence is definitely a sin because they clearly hoping a war between taiwan and china to happen.
whizkid3 4 years ago
Cantonese is orginated from Canton Aka Guang Dong Not Hong Kong. Roots of cantonese culture is in Guang Dong. Cantonese could be majority in HK but there are Hokkien, Hakka, Hannan and many others too. So i think it's nonsense that you claims cantonese want to keep their culture in tact.
whizkid3 4 years ago
dementia664, We must look at the degree of the merging of the two cities. They must compromise with things that can and cannot be merge in order to achieve something great. Nobody would want to set back the success of the relationship that have already achieved between HongKong and China, because that would be ridiculous. Remember agreement can never be achieve by force. If that's was the case, taiwan already reunited with China by force. Am i right?
whizkid3 4 years ago
dementia664, we have to look at the benifit when something is about to be done. Does taking away HongKong's freedom or implementing mainland civil law will benifit mainland China? No No No. Come on, let's not be childish. Merging two big cities could be a huge thing, has any country done that before? The main purpose of it, is to improve HongKong's long term competitiveness in the region.
whizkid3 4 years ago
So far I am not impressed with Pan-greens' position. They seem to talk the talk, but fail to walk the walk. Everything is here a symbolic gesture of some higher moral grounds. In the end the geopolitical great powers, as in the past years, will determine Taiwan's faith. Don't trap yourself in the limbos of self-fulfilling delusion. Maintaining the current statues quo, however imperfect, is not that bad.
bg24955 4 years ago
I think the problem is Taiwan doesn't have faith in China. Reunification between china and hongkong has proven to be successful. Does taiwan did ever consider taking the same path as hongkong? In my opinion, taiwan's fight for independence is merely taiwan's political interest, it has nothing to do with human rights.
whizkid3 4 years ago
dementia664 says "whether reuniting with the mainland or claiming independence.. All of this preferably without war"
That's the nicest comment i've heard so far...
dementia664, I hope so too.
whizkid3 4 years ago
dementia664, I don't get a lot of things happening around the world today too. Such as why US invade Iraq in the name of war on terror? I wonder how it could have been, if taiwan was oil rich. lol you know what i mean...
whizkid3 4 years ago
Ah..dementia664, i thought you only care about Tibet. Anyway, china's growing military is to defend US attacks. China without strong military to balance American military power is the same as a person walking around naked. Since the fall of the soviet union, world's superpower has lost it balance, which turns America a bully today. The world doesn't fear America, but we fear the Devil who's controlling it...
whizkid3 4 years ago
Idiotic taiwanese, you are just a pawn of the United States to crush China. Will you people wake the fuck up? Chinese are your flesh and blood, neither the American nor Japanese...Provoking taiwan to declare independent is part of their conspiracy to erupt WW3 (WORLD WAR III people!!!!).
Watch these videos,
1. "Invisible government China/japan/Hong kong Illuminati Pt. 5"
2. "9/11 coincidences; Loose Change"
whizkid3 4 years ago
I have no idea what you are talking about.
We don't want any part of China Communist system. I won't how many people in the world would like to be in America or china? Tell me.
chriseverclear 4 years ago 2
Some 55 percent of "American people (USA)" have shown their support for Taiwan's bid to join the United Nations. The percentage would shoot up to 70 percent if Taiwan passes a national referendum, in an interview published in the German weekly Spiegel yesterday. Leading newspapers, such as the Wall Street Journal, Seattle Times & Oklahoman have voiced their support for Taiwan's U.N. membership bid. Many U.S. congressmen issued statements to uphold Taiwan's right to enter the U.N.
limyangyang 4 years ago
A survey report issued by Zogby International, one of the three leading public opinion firms in the U.S., as indicating that 55 percent of American people polled said Taiwan should be allowed into the U.N., and that the percentage had shot up 15 percentage points to 70 percent if Taiwan's national referendum on its U.N. bid is endorsed by a majority of Taiwanese citizens
limyangyang 4 years ago 2
I support Taiwan as a full member in the UN.
andrewwsuk 4 years ago 2
Come on, agemogl, why should Taiwan be part of china? I think Taiwan should be an independent country on its own. Personally, i don't like CHina..
ofy234 4 years ago
Follow your Japanese masters and go back to Japan. If you want a war with China just make sure you don't drag us (USA) into it. Feel free to buy our old and used weaponries; show me the money!
antiquitiesus 4 years ago
hey At least Japan would actaully take care of Taiwan...unlike China who'll just fuk it over and use it as a money maker and leech off its profits..... exactly like what they did to Hong Kong right after they took them back in...sighs....poor Cantonese... all got deceived by the big bastard called China...
Noizemaze4 4 years ago 2
oh for your USA stupidity...well...I just hope that not all americans are as dumb as you are... bowing down to bush and letting him usurp u guys....jsut like how the china communist leader is doing to its ppl....the only diffrence is that those poor peasants in china are enslaved...and you're jsut pure stupid
Noizemaze4 4 years ago
ignore that thing (antiquitiesus). he's not American, had a debate with him on another Taiwan vid and he knows shit about the US. he's just sent by his CCP owners/masters to try to cause conflict and anti-US sentiment. If the US doesn't defend Taiwan, it will lose all credibility and any of thier talk of demcoracy becomes horseshit! In any case, Taiwanese must stay united first!
jleect 4 years ago 2
ileect - ignore that thing (antiquitiesus). I fully agree with u. Tat dumb-ass claims he is American, but he is just a Racists from China. I read many of his comments, but always contradictory. Just treat him as "chink asshole" who hides under the ussie sheepskin.
limyangyang 4 years ago 2
Please support Taiwan Join UN.
Taiwanese has every freedom to believe in every religion,
the freedom to make jokes about any politician on the TV shows ,
to watch all news without being screened ,
to set up websites without any approval from their government ,
to decide whoever should have the right to lead them ,
and that's why .
That's why TAIWANESE JUST DON`T WANT to be Chinese.
Do not support China Communist Party!!!
huipingaltizer 4 years ago 3
This is ridiculous!
Is what you have showed relevant to your conclusion?
The fact is more than 165 major nations in your list claim that: there is only one China & Taiwan is part of China!
agemogl 4 years ago
rediculous my butt ~~ legal or not, Taiwan being a nation that can sustain itself is the truth, everyone knows that. Just that most fail to admit it on a more legal scale because they wanna do buisness with the big bad wolf ~~ its all about the money...mmoney money money.... makes me sick but...ah well most ppl inthe world are like that....
Noizemaze4 4 years ago
you are ridiculous.you dont know that america and japan whom send the letter to china to announce" they dont think taiwan is a country but they dont agree that taiwan is belong to china" please read more the international news.chinese people
cheyu65 4 years ago 2
although taiwan acts a very important strategical role in sino-us relationship, U.S doen's want to give u guys a un membership.
keepower 4 years ago
eat shit, got it?
taichung2020 4 years ago
Taiwan is the 17th largest economy in the world, 14th largest exporter and 16th largest importer, and the third largest holder of foreign exchange reserves, with over US $180 billion.
canguy22 4 years ago
Taiwan is not the 22nd largest economy in the world. You can read China Post issued yesterday. The source is from IMF.
Malin88888 4 years ago
You did do a great job ! the video is awesome.
canguy22 4 years ago
canguy22 4 years ago
the list is wrong, nations should be ranked based on nominal GDP at current exchange rates every other list (including the ones you find in atlas's) fabricate everything.
canguy22 4 years ago
Thanks for comments. But I don't mean to rank those countries base on the GDP. I rank those leaders to what I think should be in that order.
Malin88888 4 years ago
is it based on population ? i don't understand why Mexico which is a borderline 3rd world country and Spain is ahead of Canada
canguy22 4 years ago
Idon't rank those countries base on GDP. I rank those leaders base on my thinking, and where I think they should be.
Malin88888 4 years ago
nominal GDP is the index used to form groups like the G8 and G20, and the main indicator of economic power used by economist dot com, the World Bank Group, and the IMF. I think it is the only real indicator since it is the only one that uses current exchange rates (which change every day). PPP method (which I think you're using) uses exchange rates that are 10+ years old (which could have changed by a lot over that time).
canguy22 4 years ago