House Passes Energy Bill by 7 Votes thanks to 10 RINOS

[greyflcn]

And please? Inhofe is anything but "legitimate".

The link you gave was just rambling on how

"Oh 2008 was cold! This must mean a long term trend!!!"

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Or worse yet, they were quoting David Archibald. A guy who picked 6 weather stations out in the middle of nowhere, and then from that deduced that we're headed for an iceage.

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[jbranstetter04]

These are ten seats in democrat districts that we are lucky to have as republican seats. I don't expect them to vote as conservatives. If the republican party would have run conservative republicans in those districts, then those seats would now be occupied by democrats, and today's roll call vote would have turned out the same.

The reason we want to keep these seats is so that when the republicans come within 10 of gaining control, these 10 will vote for it.

[DrDissent]

TAX REVOLT TIME... and you know whats next.

[greyflcn]

re: DrDissent

Well here's a question for you.

If you are causing economic damage.

Should you be charged money to pay for fixing that damage?

For instance, let's say you plow your car into the side of a building.

Or would that be considered a "tax"?

[DrDissent]

economic damage?

Boy you sure have all the illogical talking points down.

[greyflcn]

Well quite simply pollution causes economic damage. And if you cause economic damage, you should be liable for it.

Just the same as if you crashed into the side of a storefront. You would be liable for the cost of repairing it.

_

Then again, you're probably of the opinion that every scientific institution in the world must be wrong, because it doesn't match up to your political ideology.

That if you can simply Will a problem not to exist, that it's no longer part of your reality.

Right?

[DrDissent]

You are wasting my time. Get your FACTS straight before you comment.

FALSE "every scientific institution in the world must be wrong"

FALSE PREMISE "pollution causes economic damage"

Does this stop pollution? Answer NO. Its simply a scam to tax production.

PS I wont reply to any further drivel. TYVM

[greyflcn]

re: DrDissent

Fair enough,

I guess it would be more accurate to say that there isn't a single scientific institution in the world that disagrees. With positive statement from every major national academy of sciences.

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=FALSE PREMISE "pollution causes economic damage"=

Huh? Pollution by definition damages and degrades the quality of a resource.

=Its simply a scam=

Do you have a better approach to solve the problem?

[therealcaptobvious]

I agree with DrDissent. There's concrete info from NASA scientists and others out of Russia claiming that sunspots are the cause of climate change. Just recently a sunspot burned out and did you notice the planet just got cooler?

And regardless, why is it necessary to rob the american people if you're going to "save the atmosphere"? You're taxing air. There's no good fucking excuse to gouge people in a bad economy. There ARE other ways to clean the air.

What is wrong with you?

[greyflcn]

"Concrete info" you say?

Lemme guess, you're talking about that flimsy theory put out by Habibullo Abdussamatov; That was later torn to shreds?

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As for the sunspots, they've been on a 15 year decline.

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What you're confusing that is with the 2008 La Nina.

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Got any other rhetorical arguments about the science?

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[therealcaptobvious]

um, no.

here's a link from BBC citing Professor Mike Lockwood of Southampton University.

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Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin calls mans contribution to global warming a "drop in the bucket"

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US Senate Committee on Environmental works.

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Now this is the real reason for the bullshit cap and trade tax

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It's regressive taxation in a bad economy. Larsony, taxation without representation. Bullox.

[greyflcn]

Mike Lockwood? You're kidding, right?

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Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin? He's an oceanographer. Why would we care what he has to say about the Sun? (Which incidentally, he's citing Habibullah Abdusamatov. Remember him?)

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As for Senator James Inhofe, he's not even a scientist.

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Remind me, why do you get all your "science" from Opion articles, rather than something sourced to peer reviewed physical science journals?

[therealcaptobvious]

Sorry you're out numbered.

The fingers are all pointing out to theft in this energy cap and trade bill through the global warming hype.

1. I just gave you legitimate information sources. Sorry they didn't fall out of the sierra club tree, but they're not biased on their behalf.

Turkey, you cited a source that also cites another oceanographer, Gerald R. North.

BTW, this is all profit motivated.

Your rebuttal=epic fail

[greyflcn]

Not sure where you got Gerald R. North from, but he's a professor of both Oceanography, but more importantly he's also a professor of Meteorology. And apparently he's written quite a few formal papers on the subject of climate science. Oleg on the otherhand? He hasn't even written one.

As for "outnumbered", what are you talking about?

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Also, it's not "legitimate" if it's not backed up by peer reviewed physical science journals.

[Nickk361]

The following eight Republicans voted FOR Waxman-Markey and were instrumental in helping the bill to pass today. They should be targeted for defeat in the 2010 election. The Ignominious Eight are: Mary Bono Mack (R-CA) Mike Castle (R-DE) Mark Steven Kirk (R-IL) Leonard Lance (R-NJ) Frank LoBiondo (R-NJ) John McHugh (R-NY) Dave Reichert (R-WA) Chris Smith (R-NJ) My state (NJ) representatives are among the worst. They suck!

[greyflcn]

It's "necessary", much in the same way that dealing with a large meteor headed straight for earth would be "necessary".

As for what to do about it. I actually agree with you that trying to force the market to incorporate the cost of atmospheric pollution isn't a good idea.

The more appropriate response would be fund it the same way we do military spending. i.e. Deficit Spending.

Not just because of present economic issues. But especially since the beneficiaries are future generations.

[Avigadro]

This video sure hits the nail on the head. I am going to be writing to each of these traitorous bastards and letting them know how they were responsible for destroying our economy.

The last time I was this angry was on 9/11.

[therealcaptobvious]

send them our energy bills.  :o)

[snoopdog68]

We are fucked..

[Rorschach65]

More than 40 Dems voted against. Many would have voted for it if the vote were closer. The most vulnerable were given a pass.

[therealcaptobvious]

maybe we should convert them and lose the RINOs

[coolhardway]

SAD DAY FOR THE USA!!!

[LHZZ12MM]

DEMOCRATS who voted NO to the energy bill: Altmire, Arcuri, Barrow, Berry, Boren, Bright, Carney, Childers, Costa, Costello, Dahlkemper, Davis (AL), Davis (TN), DeFazio, Donnelly (IN), Edwards (TX), Ellsworth, Foster, Griffith, Herseth, Sandlin, Holden, Kirkpatrick (AZ), Kissell, Kucinich, Marshall, Massa, Matheson, McIntyre, Melancon, Minnick, Mitchell, Mollohan, Nye, Ortiz, Pomeroy, Rahall, Rodriguez, Ross, Salazar, Stark, Tanner, Taylor, Visclosky, Wilson (OH) MAYBE keep these Dems in in 2010

[therealcaptobvious]

excellent! we should recruit them to the republican party.

[brder4ev]

Come election time they will pay their Dues

[040895]

These people forget whom they serve.

We will be reminding them come election time. Don't forget, and continue to remind everyone you know.

They work for us...

I know i won't forget, one of theses skunks is in my state.

[SafeArmsReview]

oh this can't be good.

:(

[therealcaptobvious]

we know who our enemies are.

[GiovannaNYC]

Remeber the 8 Republicans who ensured that this energy rip off bill passed.

[therealcaptobvious]

I see 8 heads rolling

I see 8 heads on a stake.

I see 8 heads on a stake chasing Pelosi around Capitol Hill.

:o)

[GiovannaNYC]

"The dirty eight."

Remember, remember, Election Day in November.