Placido Domingo sings Di quella pira , live at the Met March 17, 1973

[millonety123]

@quis178, estoy de acuerdo con la mayoria de tus comentarios. Pero hay gente que solo quiere batalla en SU terreno, y no le importan los buenos argumentos que tu das. Yo tambien tengo muchisimas noticias muy buenas sobre Placido en los 60' 70' 80' e incluso en los ultimos tiempos. Is in fact, not marketing.

[vivadomingo1]

He is pretty raspy here, but not too bad. I have posted THREE live Piras on my page and all are very good..check it out!!!

[suchero]

@vivadomingo1 CHE SCHIFO! this "pira" really sucks! listen to the real kings of "pira" mr. franco Bonisolli , mr. franco Corelli and the one and only MARIO FILIPPESCHI....

[enamoradodemitierra]

Yo no categorizo, simplemente digo que el que mas me gusta en esta aria es Bonisolli porque da el 100% de sus posibilidades desde el principio hasta el final. Un saludo.

[enamoradodemitierra]

Yo no absolutizo, simplemente digo que es el mas que me gusta porque desde principio al final del aria, expresa todo el dramatismo de la misma y no solo la nota final, en la que Bonisolli da la nota que Verdi escribió sin semitonar toda el aria. Estoy con usted de que a ciertos niveles, son tan buenos los cantantes que muchas veces decide el gusto personal por tal o cual cantante que la manera que tenga de cantar. A mí me parece un monstruo Franco Corelli en las arias veristas y a otros no .

[LordMgls]

Montserrat!

He really seems like a baritone here. Now I understand why many people got in their heads that Plácido is not good. A first impression would suggest a baritone beautifully and untraditionally playing a classic tenor aria. And they never listened to him anymore. Now I believe when someone told me "and God know how much time I haven't heard Domingo.". Dumbasses.

GREAT PLÁCIDO!!! If you think it is not perfect, you are right; but it is NEARLY^!!!!!! BRAVO!

[cogitoergoboh]

forse il pubblico in sottofondo esagera un pochino è comunque un bravo tenore, se fosse stato grande credete che pavarotti lo avrebbe scelto per le esibizioni dei tre tenori rischiando di essere messo in ombra ?

[MegaSiegmund]

Il pubblico esulta, che ignoranza, si basano solamente sul nome, Domingo sta sforzando come un dannato e la gente urla BRAAAVOOO, che imbecilli, ah ah ah ah

Domingo ha ragione, vi prende ancora tutti per il culo ben bene, a me no però

[andyroma72]

@MegaSiegmund MA COSA CACCHIO DICI IN QUEST'OPERA SFORZANO TUTTI SOLO CORELLI E DEL MONACO(ABBASSANDO MEZZO TONO) SE LA MANGIAVANO

[bodiloto]

govane o vecchio , domingo come sempre senza acuti ! bravo Simone !

[andyroma72]

@bodiloto SEI UN BAVOSO

CI SONO VERSIONI DI PAVAROTTI CHE ABBASSA ANCHE LUI IL TONO FALLA FINITA IGNORANTE

[bodiloto]

@andyroma72 m' hai svegliato con i tuoi urli,come stai amico?Parla con @mongemark,io non ho detto mai che Pavarotti era tenore drammatico.Nello repertorio leggero Pavarotti si mangiava alla colazione domingo e carreras insieme.A te piace Domingo,a me piace Giacomini una situazione perfetta.Ogniuno i proprii gusti .Ciao

[andytaylor100]

se ve que le tienes tirria a este hombre e que es un fenómeno de la Ópera, uno de los grandes de este género musical. Tu comentario está lleno de prejuicio. A tus eventuales argumentos podría oponerte mil de otros que avalan el tamaño del Rey de la Ópera, según el Washington Post.

[andyroma72]

@andytaylor100 DE ACUERDO ES GRANDE

[quis178]

Callas was also against over-holding high notes she thought it's a terrible habit.Pavarotti is certainly guilty of this and his sense of rhythm was poor it's very obvious in quick passages for example he always fucked up the rhtytm of Una furtiva lagrima.Domingo has an excellent sense of rhtytm he sang the extremelly complex rhythms of Berlioz works without making any mistake.

[Mooorhe]

Pavarotti's serious rhythmic problems of the later years were not present in his prime, take his Una furtiva lagrima renditions (he was forced to encore it twice) from the Australia tour performance in Melbourne and the rhythms is perfect. Domingo had good sense of rhythm, but many he is by no means the best in this sense, check out his 1980 Ingemisco, he comes in painfully early, stops and then comes in at the right place.

[quis178]

It was a nervous mistake.Domingo sang atonal music that's incredibly difficult it requires a great deal of musicality.Solti quotes ''I love musical singers. Placido has a gift for phrasing that borders on the miraculous.''Callas who admired him at the 1972 Met opening told him ''You are the only one who was any good,Placido''.

[quis178]

Domingo is a highly expressive artist;he's one of the few singers who doesn't disregard recitativi,he can act and he always tries to express the meaning of the words through his singing instead of vocalising.That's why he's the most infuential singer since Callas.You are a fan of Carreras and you're trying to nihiliate Domingo's huge achievements suggesting that he had a terrible technique that doesn't make any sense you're just biased.

[Mooorhe]

Domingo's 'expressivity' involved dramatic outbursts that he applied to nearly every situation, take that Pourquoi me reveiller rendition, the interpretation is so not suited to Werther's mood or personality. He practically shouts his way through a reflective aria where his dramatic outburst really is not appropriate. He said he 'prefer[s] to suffer onstage', the reason is obvious: he can do little else. He also sacrifices his line to emote when he should employ a melancholic tone instead.

[quis178]

A melancholic tone?LOL.Werther and Edgardo are not just melancholic persons they commit suicide.Werther is certainly a psychopath.Schipa employed even more pathos as the live recording of his performance demonstrates.

[quis178]

Opera isn't a form of circus people doesn't go to the theater to admire freaks of nature.Opera is a form of theater.The main aim is to provide catharsis to the audience and suggest high moral values.

[quis178]

Even now the middle and the lower register is still glorious and he can sing legato.Suggesting that a singer who gave over 3000 performances had only a good night in his career is ridiculous even in terms of statistics.I can send dozens of live recordings of Domingo singing with a free high register.

[quis178]

Domingo had a very easy vocal poduction,in his 50's he sang Wagner without effort.

[quis178]

Pavarotti sang high C's in the 80's only occasionally.There are several videos of Pavarotti ducking behind the soprano in of the Ballo duet because he couldn't sustain the high C.

[Mooorhe]

He sang Cs when required and transposed down to avoid them where it is traditional to do so.

There are also videos of him not ducking behind the soprano and hitting the high C in the '80s.

[Jeanne90275]

@Mooorhe Can you give me an example? I know I've

heard him hit a high C; I just can't find one on YT.

[quis178]

Do you suggest Pavarotti didn't lost a whole tone of his high register in the 80's and he didn't became a mere belter?Domingo is not my favourite tenor but I recognize that he has a great voice.The fact is that he brought a bel-canto dignity into spinto and dramatic roles which have been mangled by singers such as Corelli and del Monaco.

[Mooorhe]

I do not deny Pavarotti's decline in the '80s at all, but I do suggest that Pavarotti didn't lose a whole tone of his higher register, recordings attest that he still had his high C into the '90s (even though it gradually became worse), and even his C sharp in the '90s (the highest note he used live).

Pavarotti was not a belter, even in his later years, what he was guilty of was instituting falsetto instead of pianissimo later on after his throat muscles responded less.

[sugarbist]

@quis178 I have yet to hear Domingo do a mezza voce or diminuendo, espescially in the spinto roles.Both FC& MDM were more heroic than PD.FC&MDMboth had better control over their voices& did sing mezza voce &diminuendo,especially Corelli.Try Forza&Ballo with MDM&anything with Corelli.I saw DOMINGO live 15years ago in PAGLIACCI.He was inaudible.Isaw Corelli in Trovatore in early 1960s.He was great.MDM'Sphrasing&diction are far superior than PD'S& MDM was outstanding LIVE.PDsings everything forte.

[quis178]

I do not overlook any vocal problem of Domingo. Untill the early 80's his high notes were fairly good.After more than 20 years of singing in almost every fach his high notes became tight that's totally normal for a tenor who has given over 200 performances of Otelllo.

[sugarbist]

@quis178 I think Domingos hi notes were always tight. The spinto roles & Otello are too big for his voice, ITS evident, when he gets into the passaggio.His phrasing becomes compromized& he starts squeezing.He does have a good quality& good voice for records.DelMonaco sang 427 performances of Otello& his high notes never got tight.When a tenor starts to decline, Its the middle register thats effected first. The high notes are the last to thing to go.Thats if you had them to start with.

[spanishfolk]

In any case I´ve said that Domingo is not a lyric tenor. what I´ve said is that there are tenors who are more lyrical than him that are able to give the high notes of this aria easier than him. But this doesn´t mean to sing it better in my opinion. an aria can have all the notes with the perfect sound but what about the expression, the comunication the warmth. To sing opera is much more than give perfect b or C notes.

[nikogio1972]

ma che è un un tono o un tono e mezzo sotto?

[alfillirico]

Credo sia un la naturale. Un tono e mezzo sotto.

[henryv69]

e nonostante cio' riesce a strozzarsi lo stesso sull'acuto

[quis178]

GLauriVolpi you're bashing Domingo overlooking the fact that Lauri-Volpi had HUGE intonation problems even during his absolute prime.

[spanishfolk]

When Placido sings this aria and the previous moment, you really feel the terrible moment that Manrico is feeling he comunicates it with the passion of the voice. Is true that more lyrical tenors can sing the high notes easier, but I think Domingo gives the power of the tragic moment.

Domingo expresa de manera formidable en "Di quella pira" lo q el momento requiere y uno al oírlo realmente siente el momento dramático q vive,

[vocedivino]

Thank you for this wonderful description! It's so true!!! His expression is truly unique!

[enamoradodemitierra]

la nota final que da Domingo es un Si, es decir, que a toda el aria se le ha bajado medio tono, porque el tope de la tesitura de Domingo era un SI:

Para mí, el rey de esta aria se llama Franco Bonisolli.

[spanishfolk]

Las interpretaciones de Bonisolli muestran un poderío sensacional, y una voz oscura, varonil idonea para la pieza y un do sensacional. Domingo está mas limitado, mas forzado en ello en eso no tengo duda. Sin embargo el momento de la pieza requiere no obstante algo desgarrador, sanguíneo que le aporta y por otra parte, el fraseo, la comunicación del texto llegan para mi de una manera especialmente sentida con Domingo.

[spanishfolk]

Respeto que a usted le parezca el mejor en este aria Bonisolli, aunque no lo comparto ya que no estoy de acuerdo en absolutizar, ya que ha habido grandes voces que la han interpretado magníficamente, y en cualquier caso, a determinados niveles yo si compararía las diferencias, y aspectos que uno tiene mejores que otro, pero no lo veo como para a nivel general considerarlo el mejor, cordialmente