Fox News: Mandatory health insurance unconstitutional, Rivkin says

[sonofsun4]

How is it, that mandatory health care insurance is unconstitutional and car insurance (which is basically same thing running on same principle) is O.K.No one complaints!

[MstrMnd420]

The first person that attempts to approach me about forcing me to pay something I have no access to, will meet my friend.

[JustOurFreedom]

Agree, cmag3123

[cmag3123]

"The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution."

Thomas Jefferson

Third President of the United States

[patchmoSAX]

U.S. Constitution 101: The U.S. Congress has power to regulate Commerce among the several States...not in the several States

[AndroidPolitician]

It's constitutional because of the commerce clause.

[ButterflyDragon9]

@AndroidPolitician

Have you read the commerce clause? Something tells me you haven't.

[AndroidPolitician]

@ButterflyDragon9

"[The Congress shall have power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes;"

[ceid315]

its got to go

[Raptor302]

Woa woa woa, I'm all for the govt helping people out when it comes to healthcare, but why a mandate to buy it?  That doesn't make sense.

[josephdupont]

please check out HB 2053 in PA..

Sponsored by Matt Baker.. Bravo Matt Baker.

[socialmediapull]

When will people begin to understand that auto insurance is not in any way related to this legislation. Auto insurance is not a federal matter-- it's a state matter AND, most of all, not every citizen has to have it. Babies don't have to have it; people who don't own cars don't have to have auto insurance.

[alltvisanimated]

Also, when people are required to carry mandatory auto insurance, it is to protect the OTHER people from any damages that you may cause them. Mandatory health ins. on the other hand would require you to insure YOUR OWN health. This is bad because the insurance MONOPOLY will get laws passed that will micro-manage every aspect of your life and how you live it. INSURANCE COMPANIES MAKE MONEY BY NOT PROVIDING HEALTH CARE. HEALTH CARE IS OVERHEAD TO AN INSURANCE COMPANY. NON PROFIT IS THE ONLY WAY!!!

[EncaffEnergy]

I like the idea of non-profit, but that won't necessarily keep prices low. I've seen many non-profits with high salaries and luxury offices and anything but low prices.

I'm against mandatory health care and against govt bureaucracy.

[ProfMike789]

New York State mandates auto insurance. Massachusetts already mandates health insurance. An insurance mandate is constitutional, but without an affordable public option it is not a Liberal policy! The real fear here should be: When this health care bill fails, will everyone run to the Republicans for answers, like always? If we had strong Liberals in the White House and Congress, this wouldn't be happening,

[EncaffEnergy]

Massachusetts is sending a Republican to the Senate to vote AGAINST health care. If govt-mandated insurance is so wonderful, why are they doing that?

[AndroidPolitician]

@EncaffEnergy

The polls in Massachusetts say the people love masscare or whatever it's called.

[SlaveTaxPayer]

@AndroidPolitician The States have the right to pass laws like that but the Federal Government does not. The Commerce Clause states that the Government can regulate commerce between the States and Indian Tribes but it does not say that the Government can mandate that we purchase a service. Do you know anything about the Boston Tea Party? The British MANDATED that we Purchase their Tea and imposed a High Tax on the Tea that we were MANDATED to purchase. Get it yet?

[AndroidPolitician]

@SlaveTaxPayer

No it specifically says the federal government can regulate "among" the states, mandating something is regulation, the Boston Tea Party was before America was an independent country...

Fail.

[SlaveTaxPayer]

@AndroidPolitician The word Mandate is not in the meaning of Regulate. General Regulation of the Business is one thing, to Mandate that the People purchase a service is another.

My point about the Boston Tea Party was that the same thing is happening again. This time it is not a Foreign Government. The People we have elected to represent us have failed us for too long. If you stand for it, I feel sorry for you.

[Aegius]

@AndroidPolitician The 5th Amendment requires that the gov can only deprive a person of life, liberty or property through due process of law. The gov cannot and does not have the right to deprive person's of property beyond that including mandating the purchase of property either good or service, which has no precedent in case law or statute law until now. Still if you want to live under tyranny w/gov dictating you to purchase anything possible, pack your bags to N Korea. I won't join you.

[AndroidPolitician]

@Aegius

Healthcare isn't property.

[SlaveTaxPayer]

@AndroidPolitician In all actuality, Health Care Service is an Intellectual Property.

[Aegius]

@AndroidPolitician Health care is a service that requires funds. I was referring to my funds as my property. The gov doesn't have the right to arbitrarily take my money by forcing me to purchase a service or good from someone else.

[AndroidPolitician]

@Aegius

lol unless you live in Minnesota you're probably mandated to have car insurance right now.

[Aegius]

@AndroidPolitician No comparison. 1)I have to decide to purchase a car VOLUNTARILY first. 2)Then I have to decide to drive that car VOLUNTARILY. 3)I have to get a driver's license VOLUNTARILY. Those are 3 voluntary actions that I need to take before driving that car & before I would have to get automotive insurance. There are no voluntary actions prior to health insurance unless you count not committing suicide. Besides auto insurance is done on the state level, not the federal level.

[AndroidPolitician]

@Aegius

You can purchase whatever health insurance you want it's just mandatory.

What 72% of Americans wanted was a single payer program but all we got was a privatized choice of coverage that's mandated.

[shaithis50]

@AndroidPolitician it was never about heatlh insurance. The real story was how medical costs skyrocketed out of scope of the public market. Also there was possibly a time when we used to pay in cash for medical services rendered. So how come they just didn't make the cost of a procedure relevant to your income level like a sliding scale where rates were reasonable. Why pay a middle man like insurance at all.

[shaithis50]

@AndroidPolitician it is also less of an incentive to own any big ticket assets if a hospital bill can wipe it all out.  Why try at all in a price gouging society. Just my own thoughts.

[AndroidPolitician]

@shaithis50

Insurance obviously complicates things but having a private non-insurance system would still be terrible.

[shaithis50]

@AndroidPolitician there is no doubt that it has become a for profit industry at the expense of the common worker. More or less an ongoing attack on the working class. Not everyone can make six figure salaries either. I'm just finding medical insurance in general to have become a scam where one is not covered at 100% and it seems you will still always be paying a fraction of the expenses. The entire industry is overcharging people for money they don't have.

[shaithis50]

@AndroidPolitician another way to put it into perspective is a form of financial slavery via medical debt. I guess medical bankruptcy becomes the new term to understand if one doesn't make enough. Frankly it is a sick system once you start realizing what is going on and even know they might be good at saving lives, these same medical professionals rely on us to do our part in society (mechanics/janitors/etc.)

[Aegius]

@AndroidPolitician cont... Since you think that it is a good idea to force people to purchase a product, okay, how about we got to you and force you at gun point to purchase products? You can start by purchasing my health insurance at gun point and my groceries every week. That's what the gov is doing and what you want it to do. Force people at gun point to purchase a product. It's called extortion.

[AndroidPolitician]

@SlaveTaxPayer

Mandating something is regulation : /

[SlaveTaxPayer]

@AndroidPolitician "The original meaning of "regulate"--as in the constitutional authorization to "regulate . . . interstate commerce"--was to "make regular."

No where in the history of the USA has the Government mandated that the Citizens purchase a service or good. It has and always will be, Unconstitutional.

[AndroidPolitician]

@SlaveTaxPayer

hahaha to "make regular" isn't even a definition of regulate and it wasn't in the 1700s. You literally just regurgitated something from that judge guy on Fox News.

[SlaveTaxPayer]

@AndroidPolitician If the States want to implement State Health Care, they have the right to do so, but the Federal Government, under the US Constitution, does not have that authority. If it did, then there would be no argument against it.

[AndroidPolitician]

@SlaveTaxPayer

The authority is the welfare clause and the commerce clause. The argument for it is that 72% of Americans want it.

[SlaveTaxPayer]

@AndroidPolitician 72% of Americans may want Universal Healthcare or some form of Reform, but what we got was a mandate to purchase health insurance. They aren't even close to being the same thing. Obama is a Corporate Whore who is selling us down the river faster than Bush ever imagined.

[SlaveTaxPayer]

@AndroidPolitician If you had actually read any of the documents the Founding Fathers had written, you might know what you are talking about. I got that info. from the CATO Institute actually. Besides, what is wrong with Freedom? Are you not strong enough to handle Freedom? If you hate Freedom, don't bring Tyranny to me, move your ass to China or N. Korea. It's a lot simpler than changing the minds of 300,000,000 People.

[AndroidPolitician]

@SlaveTaxPayer

lol I don't really support Obama's plan but it's the closest thing to single payer soooo.

[SlaveTaxPayer]

@AndroidPolitician I am not alright with the Lesser of Two Evils, because in the end, it's still evil. Even when 2014 gets here, I still won't buy their insurance because I don't need it. They can fine me and I won't pay the fines. See where this is going? A lot of people in the States will refuse to purchase their Government Mandated Death Insurance and I am one of them.

[shaithis50]

@AndroidPolitician the point that I like to argue is that when you take a look at the most expensive health care insurance plans out there or even the cheaper ones, that is money thrown away better saved towards future visits with your doctor or specialist. Govts mistake was its failure to address high hospital costs and as stupid as this might sound, hospitals that overcharge the general public deserve to go out of business.

[Aegius]

@AndroidPolitician The gov is limited in what it can legislate and mandate via the US Constitution. Now where in the US Constitution is gov authorized to dictate to me to purchase a good or service from another party at gun point solely for living? Get this str8. I will NEVER purchase a good or service at gun point. NEVER. The IRS can put me before a firing squad & I will carry my copy of "The Road to Serfdom" & the Declaration of Independence & still refuse to submit to extortion & tyranny.

[spunright]

I would wager the majority of uninsured medical costs are for illegals who are undocumented and will not pay the fine nor buy insurance. The mandatory auto insurance laws don't work either and that's why we pay uninsured motorists insurance. About 40% drive without insurance. Will these illegals be stopped at the hospital door? No.

[OutragedPeople]

@spunright - The argument about govt requirements not working won't hold water with this administration. Looks like the unconstitutionality issue, while valid, hasn't worked either. These lawmakers are determined to ram this legislation through. I just hope that it's at their own electorial peril.

[sweetelesue]

Wake up and smell the fascism

[OutragedPeople]

Just returned from a speech by Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, who spoke of the "confirmation" phenom in psych. People seek ideas and data that conform to their own, and then use it to entrench ideas in their minds. Both extremes in the political spectrum seem to do this.

[OutragedPeople]

Have you seen the photos of Obama bowing to the Japanese emperor? Is there no end to the gaffes and the lowering of our stature?

[xaedmon]

Well for all our sakes i hope your hopes are not mis-placed! And that after Nov 3 many of those traitors are replaced

See? I too have hopes just like you !!

Now, have you no shame for calling me such a name ?? lol Seriously though,

your right on the mark, i believe the forces arrayed against us are the darkest of dark.

I suspect they are amassing a powder-keg under our feet, as an "ace up their sleeve" to ensure they cannot be beat.

HOPEFULLY i am wrong, & one day you & I can get along :)

[EncaffEnergy]

What happened in Massachusetts yesterday was extraordinary. I am now excited about politics again!

[xaedmon]

Constitution? why thats an outdated bunch of nonsense written by befuddled old men in a day & age that is so far removed it has lost all relevance to the point that it begs to be re-written.

LOL just playing "devils advocate" of course

This is how the Obamanites collectively think

& they pick away every day at the American way.

Every dog has it's day, & this is theirs

& at the end of this day they will have yours

Kiss your rights goodbye

the only right we will have left is the right to die.

[OutragedPeople]

Cynic! I am outraged over what's happened, but have some hope after Nov. 3 elections.

[OutragedPeople]

Attended the Rivkin debate on legality of healthcare reform at Georgetown U Law Center. Amazing the blinders of people who consider themselves "educated." They keep trying to make the proverbial square peg fit the round hole, because they want it to. They construct reasonable-sounding arguments to expand the commerce clause, but --sorry, folks-- just being a citizen is not commerce.

[OutragedPeople]

Outraged People just added today's Fox and Friends interview of David Rivkin on my you tube acct. Also on my Twitter feed.

[Cokie907]

FYI Alert:

For all the Grassroots Troopers who want to be up to speed on the Constitutionality of "Obama-Care".

David Rivkin will be on FoxNews this sunday morning (Oct. 25th) between 7am and 8am to discuss the issue.

Tune in and get informed about issues affecting YOUR future....for FREE! :)

-the Meat and Potatoes Blog

[Cokie907]

Wow, this clip is scary. Can you imagine a fed. govt that could mandate, limit or otherwise control every activity we engage in during our day 2 day lives?

I've imagined it thanks 2 the picture Rivkin paints & it strengthens my resolve against Obamacare evermore.

A govt that can administer something as gargantuan & complex as the American healthcare system is a govt that is FAR TOO powerful.

Our govt is already a juggernaut which exists 2 serve itself, lets not add more fuel 2 the fire.

[josephdupont]

why not ban any activity that puts us at any risk. swimming, surfing, sky diving, motorcycles, horse back riding.

[OutragedPeople]

As Rivkin says, if the govt can force you to buy health insurance, it can force you to buy a car every two years or invest in companies that are "too big to fail."

[josephdupont]

I saw a poll saying that 72 percent of Democrats are for mandatory health insurance!!! IF this is so, then how the hell did Hillary lose the nomination when this was the biggest difference between them.

[JustOurFreedom]

I agree- that, and more.