Using Gentoo Linux in K-12 School's Computer Lab

[supercoolguyT]

GIMP 2.2.8 was released on 2005-06-27 next version GIMP 2.2.9 was released on 2005-10-27.

[l4ndst4nder]

I like this guy! Installing an OS that can be managed at a micro level like Gentoo can not only make sure that the kids are using the lab responsibly, but also not have to worry about break downs.

Then reading about their modern lab on their website, this would be very cost effective and efficient system.

[mrhozer]

Is this a real local news station? If so, I'm impressed that they actually report something that is not mainstream, and not ridiculously trivial.

[submission123456]

Haha, look at the big KDE logo on the wall 2:20 omg haha right on

[Darkteammadfiz]

Just imagine if they would have runned Arch Linux <3

[theif519]

Man... I wish I was this smart... I've tried using Gentoo Minimal installation and I can't do a thing. I'll try to stick with Ubuntu and Arch Linux *On Laptop*

[Crisshomes1]

Ubuntu is no where near light as Arch linux.

[gvi341984]

Gentoo is the Devil's work....

[bellicjr]

Gentoo easy to use ? That's relative :P

Nice video, but... wich year is that ?

In my "School" we use Ubuntu 7.04, and the current version is 11.04 :/

[cataclysm]

install gentoo

[jadlerhalofan]

its gentoo with a g like the work gentle. read the gentoo FAQ.

also, i am a gentoo troll on /g/

[marauderfh]

These kids will have plenty of windows experience at home. Having something like gentoo at school is one of the coolest things ever.

[dcheartly]

Type PRIZE before youtube and hit enter

[awesome11991]

install gentoo

[poopik121]

CHIPPY 1337

[Raffix394]

Is it complicated to install gentoo? I know it takes long mostly due to compilation but how hard is it for a completeate beginner to intall it? is it even posible to install gentoo without knowing much about linux?

[WorBlux]

@Raffix394

Unless you like pain, I'd stay away. There is sufficient documentation for a complete beginner to do it, (use the generic kernel rather than your own) but it takes a long time.

If you just want to know what Linux can be like, a live cd like ubuntu or mint is a good choice.

[CabbageNappa]

@Raffix394 It's possible for a complete beginner to install Gentoo in the same way that it's possible for an infinite number of monkeys typing on an infinite number of keyboards given an infinite amount of time to write a novel. Gentoo is not appropriate for a beginner to install unless they have extensive experience with Unixes and have access to documentation or an install tutorial. Start with something easy, get some experience, and then ease your way into it.

[Raffix394]

@CabbageNappa Thank you for the very graphic description :) okay got it no gentoo for me ^^ to be honest I'm no real Linux fan but I study computeed engeering in 3rd semester and in 4th semester almost all readings are based on linux, so I was looking for a fitting distro, but for that purpose I found ubuntu to be just fine for a rookie like me.

Thx for the info anyway :)

[aweinsto]

There is a new product to protect children online.(SnipeSlider)

It's amazing! Take a look:

youtube.com/watch?v=48saXiJE9M­g

[thebanjoz]

Gentoo gonna gentoo

[warinpants]

Finally! I can switch from windows 95!

[MetalShreader]

Stop freaking calling it "source code", just call it a damn program. YOU'RE TALKING TO A NEWS REPORTER, THEY WONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL IT IS.

If you ever want to let linux be popular, stop using all the nerdy technical terms.

[bamaedgecore]

@MetalShreader Thats the whole point of Linux isnt it? Underground?

Why would you want something to become popular. As soon as it does, someone tries to profit from it, someone tries to own it exclusively, and someone tries to rip everyone else off.

Granted it IS part of the GNU-Linux product, meaning it SHOULD stay free, but you never know.

Besides, to use Linux you need to understand those nerdy technical terms :P

[MetalShreader]

@bamaedgecore Trust me, I love linux(enough to make videos on my channel as well), so I'm just saying for those who wonder why it's not popular.

[bamaedgecore]

@MetalShreader Haha thats understandable.

Personally, I would rather not Linux get popular. It goes back to the whole fad idea. When somethings popular, someone tries to profit from it.

I dont want Linux to turn into another Mac or Windows.

it IS highly unlikely, but if Linux get *popular* there will be serious marketing problems either way.

Its more fun when it's underground too.

[MetalShreader]

@bamaedgecore yes, at least it doesn't attract the idiots yet like OTHER os's... :D

[heydude09876]

how did he set up a cluster like that?

[Marks256]

It's pronounced JEN-too. not ghintoo.

[aweinsto]

Gentoo is the best distribution out there !

You decide  every thing ! - what kernel to install what packages you have on your system.

ALL the installation are specifically complied for YOUR specific chipset!

After the installation you will have the best/most compatible OS for your SPECIFIC system!

Gentoo is all about performance.

The performance is unbelievable ...there is no other OS like it!

[Magliter]

kids can't download porno now...they have to compile the player

[jforce93]

Wish our school would do this (:

[TheHornyDevill]

Gentoo FTW!

[whoknows6806]

Just like my dad always says: When your computer has a problem, INSTALL GENTOO

[meast1000]

Get windows!!!!!!!

[EmperorMorbid]

>implying implications

[spikespeigel]

haha this guy is awesome.

[awesome11991]

it bothers me that they have the cpu on the table right next to the monitor. whats up with that shit

[EmperorMorbid]

@awesome11991

CPU != Tower

[awesome11991]

i know that i was just wondering why they would put it on the desk with the monitor. seems like it would be in the way

[MegaPatchouli]

Proves Linux is for neckbeard christians.

[NiagraJumps]

lol enjoy windows/OSX with your viruses and ability to be spied on.

[Arkaniad]

Theyre probably using LTSP or some sort of X-terminal.

[Arkaniad]

That unified compiling is called DistCC.

[TheRealSpartanW80]

That man is not being paid enough O.o

Seriously? Gentoo? Wow o.o. I wish our tech guys were that smart...than again...you probably can't get into the teacher's computers that easily in that school....

[Arkaniad]

YARLLY. God, he can even explain gentoo in words.... wow.

Also, Gentoo FTW.

[benblue3]

those computers are dinosaurs lol

[novomlinski]

@benblue3 no matter how slow computer is these days 99% of users dont use it's capacities over 60%

[extraketchup]

This video was filmed years ago, LOL :-)

[renkinjutsu01]

@extraketchup are those diskless boot systems? How did you cluster them up like that?

[whoknows6806]

@renkinjutsu01 INSTALL GENTOO

[whoknows6806]

linux ftw

[ShoopXmaxx]

I think he is the gentoo troll in /g/

[MattCat8]

@ShoopXmaxx lol i just read a archive thread and someone brought up gentoo in schools, you maybe right there.

[slacker437]

I use Slackware. it's awesome! KDE4 looks better than Vista... though many people don't like it, I think it somewhat combines stability and eye candy, it has alot more features than Vi$ta.

I used Mint 7 a while ago but it's not good at updating, unlike Gentoo of Slackware. It's good to know there's a school that uses good software :)

[Arkaniad]

Way.

[Venim0]

that was painful them trying to describe what was going on in laymens terms hehe.

neat none the less. I wish my schools did this, but most of the IT knew less than me and i was like 13

[epsilon0072]

Haha cool, 20 computers emerging a program? Makes my dual-core desktop cry :p

[icfnord]

this could never happen in a communist school. Only in a private school

[GrimReaper1169]

I lol'd hard

[Ubuntufrog]

Never goin back to Windows ever again, Linux all the way for me! Linux Mint 7 is my distro of choice :)

[VictorMedina17]

U realy use Linux on ur laptop insted of windows?

Is it better?

Fun and Fast?

Sorry for all the questions but I was thinking of doing the same thing but not sure if I shud!!!!

woud it be worth it?

[Ubuntufrog]

Yeah I use it on my laptop and I think its faster and better and stable, no viruses, free open source that is far better than going out buying MS office instead I got Openoffice or instead of Nero I got Gnomebaker and all the other good programs. its awesome :)

[kalamarikahunalord]

_J_entoo! It's pronounced with a j sound though it's written with a g! Oy, those newscasters never get it right.

[Hodmox]

Fantastic. A school that actually promotes Linux while using it.

[Starcraftmazter]

This guy effectively made the environment so complex, that he cannot be fired.

My hat goes off to you, good sir.

[914Buster]

ding ding ding, we have a winner

[icfnord]

uhh... acutally all of this is quite easy to do. My cousin is only 7 years old and he knows how to configure portage to use distcc.

[slacker437]

It actually is, you just gotta understand it and then it becomes easy.

DON'T underestimate the youth :p

[KillaHaakon]

Well, a slacker saying something is easy is not really reassuring... ;)

[spikespeigel]

haha true! he created some job security

[NeffiStar]

Nice.

[darthirakli]

Great video! And emerge command in Gentoo is truly awesome!

[kilokid21]

these computers suck.

[extraketchup]

It should be noted that the web browser is the new operating system in many ways (I'm obviously taking some liberty in the technical definition of an OS). Our staff and students spend most of their time in Firefox. Guess where I am right now? Firefox works just as well in Linux as Windows, and much more securely. This is the real threat that Microsoft is facing. This is why Windows no longer matters...

[KernelThread]

Don't you wish to run your "operating system"  on much better and secure operating system than Windows.. It is the layer below that matters... hope that make sense...

[VR1ZZA]

@extraketchup Well, there's always Chromium OS.

[CWM480]

I am wondering since this was 3 years ago, I am guessing BY NOW your school has upgraded to NEWER and FASTER PC's did you guys STICK with GENTOO or did you guys give in and go back to windows?

I am wondering also at the end of the day when class is over, do you go home and use WINDOWS or MAC or do you stick with GENTOO so you dont get rusty on your coding and stuff like that?

[extraketchup]

Actually, no, as much as I'd like to get new hardware, the economy is forcing us to our original model of accepting donated, second-hand computers. Regardless, Windows still brings more pain and cost than benefit IMHO. Maybe Windows 7 will change that.

I've personally used Linux almost exclusively since 2000. I own 2 gaming machines that dual-boot to Windows, but since I rarely play games, 98% of the time I use Linux. My main use for Windows is to watch LOST online :-)

[CWM480]

Wow, I guess second hand is better than nothing I guess you know?

I would hate to see that though... You guys are teaching kids the IN AND OUT of Linux and then all of a sudden switch BACK TO WINDOWS. I just dont think I could see that I mean you have been teaching LINUX for so long now, It would just seem painful that you would have to switch back over and forget all your LINUX knowlege and have to learn windows 7 to teach to your class I mean if OPEN SOURCE works why not stay with it?

[CWM480]

Btw what do you use when your not teaching?

GENTOO too or some other flavor?

[spikespeigel]

@extraketchup awesome, are you the guy in the video? gentoo is awesome

[CWM480]

@extraketchup So did its been a year now.... did yall go with 7 or gentoo?

[aradioactivedonut]

@extraketchup This is why valve should make a steam operating system.

[bmxbike525]

i wish my school had macs they have xp xp isnt that bad but every14 wants them to have macs

[extraketchup]

Let me take a minute to address a couple of reoccuring comments:

1) Gentoo is no harder to use than any other Linux distribution. There is more work in setting it up, but our users USE Linux, they don't install it or configure it, nor should they in our setting. I provide Ubuntu for those wishing to use Linux at home.

2) We do use binary packages - the difference is that I build the optimized binaries and use those for all our workstations. With Ubuntu, someone else builds them.

[kishkizzle]

His reasoning is crap...

I'm pro-any system, it depends on what it will be used for. Everything has a 'best use'.

But I can tell you...his reasoning is total crap. That is not in any way a benefit of using any Linux distribution.

[fuzzman25]

i kinda agree... he shouldnt be talking about source codes and installing programs... he should be talking about why linux is better for the kids, and how by using open source programs instead of spending $1000+ on programs we can direct that money to more educating

[jjtheclown]

rofl GENTU

lol "download a source code and our computers compile it"

[anguinan]

yes, you should try that...

[poissonKernel]

Gentoo is a great distro. In fact it's my favourite distro. But it's not as simple using it as they show here. For Linux beginners it's much better to use a simple to use distribution like Ubuntu or Mint.

[fuzzman25]

yeah... ive been using mint for like 3 months... i like it better then gentoo

[englishman1234567]

does linux have publisher, word and powerpoint?

[rahb1]

All Linux distros include, or have easy access to, a powerful suite called Open Office, which is free, and has Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Publisher etc equivalents which can read and write MS Office files. You can download it for free to run on Windows too - and stop having to PAY for MS Office.

[spikespeigel]

ABIWORD! openoffice is a pig to run...

[Drakgamereviews]

That is nice I think all schools public,private ect should use Linux. It would save school funding for a better education.

[uvmedraco]

itd destroy microsoft too :D

[cyborgtroy]

Or instead of distributed compiling, you could just use binary packages.

[Nekoplayer]

Install Gentoo Linux

[Felpman]

hahahahahha

they download sourcecode, then compile it.

BIG DEAL. its nothing new. Thats how its always been done on open source platforms. This news broadcast makes it seem like its the BRAND NEW THING!

[tendonut]

Not necessarily. Most modern operating systems use pre-compiled binaries (be they .deb, .rpm, .exe, whatever, so compiling the source code from scratch is not very common nowadays. At least for non-programmers.

[roleplayman]

Lunix is awesome

[MatutinSoad]

Hey, i'm on ubuntu 8.10. I start on linux like one month ago, and decided Ubuntu because its a really easy trasition.

Hey, whats the name of that program?

[joeisherefornow]

I would have picked Ubuntu, I don't know why people like kubuntu

[doonbugie]

yay I use Gentoo also

[scramble45]

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge prboom

LOL

[tylermcgivney1]

How would i go about starting out with Gentoo Linux? What should i learn about programming to make full use of it? And what about wi fi drivers?

[tylermcgivney1]

So how would i go about starting out with Gentoo Linux? What would i need to know about programming and whatnot?

[tylermcgivney1]

So how would i go about starting out with Gentoo Linux? What would i have to llearn about programming and whatnot?

[relw0lf]

I currently manage 5000 nodes on a windows only network. I've been doing this stuff with windows for years, whether it be install software to a lab, or reimage an entire school at night via wake on lan (scheduled so no one is even around). That said we too are currently looking at migrating to Linux mainly because the writing is on the wall for Windows. It's not the cost as most software for education is very cheap including software from Microsoft.

[Compgenius999]

They pronounced it wrong, its pronounced J-entoo

The Gentoo Linux operating system (pronounced /ˈdʒɛntuː/)

[debiancivic]

Why Gentoo? I found Slackware and Arch Linux to be just as configurable, stable, secure, and fast. You get the everything that you would get with Gentoo, but you don't have to go through the toil of Gentoo's long installation. Correct me if I'm wrong, I am very familiar with Slackware and Gentoo but not so much with Arch. Gentoo is great but I think it would too time consuming for school.

[extraketchup]

Regarding comments about Windows / Kubuntu coming with a calculator installed - that's part of the point, these things tend to come with a LOT of things installed, more things than we need, especially since we want a responsive, fast OS for our older equipment with less RAM.

Even Kubuntu has some strange dependency locks that force the user to have things installed that they have no use for.

Once you master Gentoo, it's no harder than anything else IMHO.

[therealdjsephiroth]

Once you master Shaolin Kung Fu, it's no harder than anything else, IMHO. XD

Why Gentoo, out of curiosity? I'd figure that schools would go for something with less of a learning curve (e.g., Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS).

If you're at a point at which adding a calculator application creates (or is assumed to create) unacceptable excess strain on the system, your box has some issues outside the scope of the OS. What kind of machines are you using?

PS: Link to d/l your distro?

[Iminurcomputorz]

Once you master anything, it's not hard to use.

And if you really need something fast, nothing beat a minimal GNU/Linux (Slackware, Gentoo, Puppy etc..) or *BSD (OpenBSD is a good example there, maybe NetBSD too, but I haven't tried it).

I use OpenBSD on my desktop and it's quite fast. Thinking about Slackware or Gentoo on my laptop(s).

GNU/Linux and UNIX is great :)

[ByT3R]

Wow!

The Fundies found their way to Linux!

I think their getting smarter...

[extraketchup]

Smart enough to know that it is "they're getting smarter" not "their getting smarter" (sorry, couldn't resist).

[ByT3R]

Yes, English is not my first language, I learned it in school, so I still make small grammar mistakes.

[Jaynusofsinope]

its just hilarious when local news tries to report on something they don't understand

[daisyfoofpoof]

i know!!! i hate explaining computer things that ppl won't understand, such as source code. it's painful to watch my mom try to fix a computer

[daisyfoofpoof]

i still prefer ubuntu

[extraketchup]

We have tried Kubuntu and found it more work to configure for our particular network needs than Gentoo. We used Gentoo to build our own binary "distro", and I can install "our" Gentoo on a new computer with less work than any other distro I've tried - I just answer a couple of questions and go get coffee!

That said, when a student wants a copy of Linux for their computer - I give them Kubuntu :-)

[blmartech]

you can build a custum distro for any linux not just - like the sourcecode recipe

[daisyfoofpoof]

no no no, i said ubuntu not kubuntu there's a huge difference. kubuntu sucks. from best to worst: ubuntu-->xubuntu-->kubuntu

[thablackmarkit]

gentoo ?!?!?!?! AAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! WORK!!!!!!!

[extraketchup]

Initially, yes. But if used to build a custom distro for a large network of similar computers with similar goals, that upfront work is paid back 10 fold in ease of installation, configuration, performance, stability, and security. (IMHO anyway)

[thablackmarkit]

what admin in there RIGHT mind and install gentoo when theres kubuntu! can you say no life? lol windows comes with a calculator by default.

[slicksterdave]

LOL.

HAHAHHAHHAHHAHA.

the news lady is so NOT versed in it... she doesnt even deserve to report on it cuz shes CLEARLY not giving the technology justice.

anyways yah, respect+ for the guy administering that securely. Hopefully his setup doesn't get r00t'd =P

[masterchief3k]

or you could just use a package manager instead of writing all of your own software...

[wilddog129]

He doesn't have to write all of that software, the open source/free software community does. Think of Gentoo's portage as a package manager, but instead of using pre-compiled binary packages, it fetches source code and compiles and installs it.

[TheJacolyte]

Brilliant.

[Amebixfan]

what's the point of compiling it yourself? Let's say I want to install Audacious, whats the difference between Portage compiling it and having APT get a pre compiled version

[Smajchl]

Very cool :-)

What is the name of that software for compiling software in group of computers - like they say that every computer is working.

[ratmandutoo]

The program they are using is called distcc. You can use as many computers to compile a single program as you like, as long as they are all using linux (or for the mac users, OSX. check your xcode preferences).

[fstratzero]

distcc

[crazykid120]

could u please tellme how to get linux on my poweerbook g4 i tried ubuntu but it doesnt work please give me some information

[loyx]

u need to get the powerpc ver, G4 does not use intel architecture

[wilddog129]

You should look for a distribution supporting the PowerPC architecture. I know Debian and Gentoo do... Ubuntu might, but I wouldn't recommend using Ubuntu for that application anyway.

[wolf1oo]

for those of you wondering, it is pronounced JEN-too

[19505555]

The commentator pronounced Gentoo (GHEN-to) instead of (JEN-to) -- how do you pronounce it?

On a less splitting-hairs level, nice video.

Do you know how the sys admin synced up the lab computers to share the load on compiling -- was it Beaowolf (sp ?) or what?

[extraketchup]

distcc (distributed C compiler) is what is used to for sharing compiling load. It can be added to the /etc/make.conf file, or when compiling manually (make bzImage, for example) just add CC=distcc after 'make' on the command line. Each computer must run a distccd server for it to work.

[stargazer3k]

Awesome, thanks for the info.

:-)

[GreaterSteven]

Jen-to.

[Pitastesgood]

Now schools are seeing why Linux is far superior. But, when you have more power, you must make sure you know what your doing.

The main problem is allot of times school techs are...umm...idiots.

[extraketchup]

Is that a complement or an insult? :-)

[Pitastesgood]

Just speaking from experience :P

[ByT3R]

I agree, even here in Germany it's so too.

Our network- and sysadmin IS a complete idiot.

The only programming language he knows is Basic, Our servers run Windows 2000 and workstations XP. He's too scared to install a Linux distro.

I'm still trying to convince him to convert at least the server..

[justaname92833]

that guy is at the peak of total system control, what all geeks strive for

[jdsanchez473]

until something goes horribly wrong lol.. Then you wish you were just a pee-on lol..

[joeyissoweird]

i dont care what type of computer i use. i usually just use computers for chatting, vlogging, blogging, wikipedia.. thats it.. &music.. thats why im still on vista..

[treje]

Se poi la fase finale di creazione del binario + quella di pubblicazione sul server viene automatizzata si otterra' la soluzione perfetta!

Gentoo Rulez (H)

Microsoft Sucks :D :P

[captainphlaxis]

LOL tux and kde on the walls ;) Very nice, I wish my school did the same thing.

[CaPaRiCa]

WRONG compiling doesnt allow you to select the features you want, USE flags do.

[Ormaaj]

Normal people don't know what USE flags are. He meant that compiling allows users to choose features at build-time.

As a side note, distcc on 21 computers... wish I could do that at home! :D

[lirelis]

oh, why I'm not able to use Linux?? :'(

I had to reinstall vista (don't beat me please..) and something has happened, I think vista has deleted a file that allows the pc to "see" 2 OS, vista and Gentoo, so now I have to find a way to see gentoo and make this file, the problem is that I've not informatic knowledge....I have a lot of work to do.

ps:sorry for my English, I'm italian...

pps: wonderful video! great big Tux!

[Zoowey07]

just erase your hard drive a start from scratch. You don't need windows anyways, i use wine for that.

[graffatag]

Windows always has to be #1. When you installed Vista, it wrote over your boot loader. Always install Windows first then your linux distro when you are doing a dual boot.

[Ormaaj]

Just re-install grub...

[therealdjsephiroth]

Reinstall your bootloader. Vista has modified the MBR (the thing that tells your PC where the operating systems are on the hard drive) in a way that keeps your bootloader from working properly. Basically, it is skipping past the bootloader and going straight to Vista. Just reinstall the bootloader or (at worst) reinstall Linux.

[RcColanator]

I don't know if I'd call Gentoo "easy," it's notorious for being one of the harder distributions to install. It's awesome that they're using the network as a farm to compile programs. That sysadmin is a dude.

[paranoial33t]

amazing i just hope other schools will look into this. LINUX PWNS.

[shadowcipher]

at least these kids will grow up with some skillz. Teach linux and then can come out of high school making more than their parents! Go gentoo. Props for getting the school to let you use linux.

[therealdjsephiroth]

Yeah, it's kind of like what they say about Red Hat: if you learn any other distro, you learn that distro, but if you learn Red Hat, you learn Linux. I think something similar can be said of Gentoo.

[snowey1337]

wow they got the linux penguin and the KDE logo on the wall. how uber is that!

[theralfinator]

Yeah, I'm all for Linux, AND all for Christian schools, so this video OWNS! (Running Fedora Core 5 over here, but i'd like to try out gentoo when i get my hands on some different hardware. Not looking forward to messing up my bootloader messing around with partitions:p)

[xtinctspecies]

i wonder if a calculator install ever needs a reboot. I dont even know if Linux users have ever used Windows. I have, I know Linux is good but not for everything.

[mushk45]

u just type "emerge xcalc" on the command line, and boom! It gets installed!

[extraketchup]

For many of us, it was using Windows that DROVE us to use Linux :-)

[cysn06]

I used windows primarily.

Now I have $1200 worth of M$ server software

sitting in a box. Now my server runs gentoo....

It was very har converting to linux, but it was

completely worth it. Linux can da everything windows does.