The UST Hymn (official 2011 video)

[stfustepho]

PROUD THOMASIAN!

[Gaysters10]

Unending grace!

Proud Thomasian!

[patyu49]

Quadri baby :3

[jycnnzn09]

I'm missing everything about UST a lot! :'(

I dreamt last night that I'm back in there - total nostalgia! It even made me cry when I woke up. Can't wait for Christmas break to get back to Manila! :)

[jycnnzn09]

I'm missing everything about UST a lot! :'(

I dreamt last night that I'm back in there - total nostalgia! It even made me cry when I woke up. Can't wait for Christmas break to get back to Manila! :)

[madara435]

trisem ba sa ust??? lan tuition per sem sa engineering???

[revnouz]

Sweet!



[stephmaranan05]

GO USTe! :)

[SkyIIa]

gusto ko makita un lumang buildings ng ust panahon pa ng kastila o hapon :))

[ByronTerrenz]

I miss UST, a lot. Viva Santo Tomas!

[99doublekisses]

official 2011 video pero 2008 pa inupload . wooooo ! ust fighting !

[cristobalito1966]

Seguro que el himno original fue escrito en español así que los filipinos ignoráis la tradición de la universidad de Sto. Tomás. ¡Qué pena que los gobiernos filipinos se dejaran vender por los millondes de pesos norteamericanos!

[chacha221979]

wla... the best pa din ang mga taga USTe =D

[crazybutgorgeous14]

proud to be thomasian..=)

[iamdarnabitch]

PROUD TO BE!!! :)

[PsychLesful]

1 person wasnt imbued with unending grace

[gogogokapamilya]

@PsychLesful dalawa na sila :'( sinu kaya yung mga yun? baka mga ibang lahi... mga lahing pula... asul... berde... at iba pa.... ahahahahahahahaha...

[smalldude2593]

@gogogokapamilya ...baka yan yung nadebar...ahahaha

[patyu49]

@PsychLesful 3 persons.

[SuperElmoandcookie]

proud quadri freshman!! :D

[cedsanctuary]

@SuperElmoandcookie welcome to UST!

[damienmalchus]

@ sadone29-I agree, dapat proud to be Thomasians! I still have my id from elementary and College!

[woaininuriko]

I love you USTe! And thank you so much for molding me into an ethical and proficient professional and scholar that I am now.

[Aleancelo]

My great-grandfather graduated from the Faculty of Civil Law.  He was a classmate of Don Tomas Morato, who later became the first mayor of Quezon City.

[rynblacksmile16]

d2 poh na naitayo ang ALPHA KAPPA RHO (akrho)FRATERNITY1973

batch86 mabuhay LONGLIVE SKEPTRON UST CHAPTER

[simca71]

Go USTe!! :D happy quadri

[Winkywinks1000]

so grateful to my parents for having sent me to UST... now a VERY PROUD THOMASIAN!

Antonio Geronimo L. Leviste

AB Communication Arts 1972

Faculty of Arts and Letters

[kelly9330]

ah, better naman ung ISU Hymn..hehe

[jamzbeny65k]

PROUD TO BE A THOMASIAN AT 400!

[purplegum95]

USTe, Thomasians or simply Tomasino ang tawag sa mga taga UST. sa basketball i think we are called Tigers...

[reharm2000]

San ka pa e grabe walang ibang university dito sa pinas na ganito ang grandiose at anthem like talaga yung UST Hymn. More power. Chorus lang yan ha... pag narinig nyo pa yung verse niyan para sa baritone grabe, tataas balahibo mo , grabeng goose bumps. This is written by the former Dean Anguita educated from Spain. Later hired by Peabody Conservatory. ASTIG!!!!!!

[azzkickerannie]

I'm very proud to be a Thomasian. Masarap yung feeling n may sense of belongness. Parang you're part of one big family. :-) Can't wait for the 400th anniv. na.

[rufco18]

Sana isa rin akong Tomasino... Mayroon bang Tomasino na hindi proud maging Thomasian? Kung mayroon, sana ako na lang ang nandiyan sa lugar ninyo...

[julzcordero]

even now, kahit 2 yrs na akong grad hindi ko pa din masyadong memorize tong UST Hymn... but i'm really proud of being a thomasian =P can't wait for the quadri-centennial celebration next yr!!

--C.E, '08

[ITINERANTCRUISER]

Wow! It put a smile on my face upon hearing this hymn. I remember singing this and looking at the face of my professor, mrs romualdez who was singing with all her heart! Sorry that I won't be able to come to the 400th foundation.

[SuperAsianTwinkie]

I was there when I was in kindergarden! But then I moved to the province in Bulacan, then when I was 7, I came to the US. I'm still a proud USTian! I'm hoping to go back for college on tourism!

[imbalance731]

GO USTE!!!

[Amoneth]

they sung the chorus not the original vesion.

[supertimmyful]

Is it true... that UST's 2nd best in the country? :))

[PaternosterXVI]

@supertimmyful

In what? Medicine? International Choral Compettion?

Hmmm...

Where were u under a rock, lately?

[supertimmyful]

@PaternosterXVI Nope...as in the whole UST. There's this link in FB that says it is. (I don't even know if it's true or not.)

To say I'm surprised is an understatement.

[09EmBeR90]

Astig talaga yung hymn ;_;

Viva Tomasino~!

[azzkickerannie]

tagal n aq grad ng USTE pero till now i still carry the Thomasian spirit. Very proud thomasian aq wherever i go. GO USTE!!!!

[RDMunited07]

kita kita na lang..... pasukan na pala ngayon.....

high school pa lang ako...^^

[pigme86]

proud to be a Thomasian!!! see you all in 2011! Faculty of Pharmacy!!!

[TheMachyist]

GO USTE GO USTE GO GO GO GO USTE......

[doubtingthomasian]

OMG! I'm teary-eyed, almost crying, while watching this fabulous video. It must be the hymn. So Pontifical. So Royal. I love, love, love it!!! From my heart to my lips, thank you Tomasinos.

[missgimmeabeat]

ang ganda talaga!!! sana pag nag-graduate school ako makapasok ako sa UST...matagal tagal nga lang....depressed pa rin ako hanggang ngayon kasi hindi ako nkaenroll sa uste...

[rufco18]

@missgimmeabeat Same here... Sana... Sana...

[missgimmeabeat]

ang ganda!!! sana thomasian n lng ako...dpat nmn talga sa UST ako mg-eenroll eh!! sana mkapasok ako dyan sa graduate school...pro mtagal tgal pa!!! pwede bng mkijoin sa quadricentennial celebration? ...sana...sana!!!

[keechdrift]

go uste!

[clpmagic17]

I am proud to be a Thomasian! Go USTE! hala kaka miss naman.

[lightyagamiism]

may tanong ako sa mga taga UST.. ano ba ang tawag sa inyo thomasians o uste?

[hanchie]

Thomasians ang tawag sa mga students ng UST, kung nickname ng San Sebastian ay Baste, ang UST naman, USTe :)

[lightyagamiism]

@hanchie ahhhhhhhhh! thanks hanchie.. now i know..

[RDMunited07]

@hanchie korek

[pianofreak1011]

@hanchie i remember the university wide joke about the statue of Benavides in Lovers' Lane. Nakaturi sa FEU.hehe

[KingSlark]

@pianofreak1011

The old FEU joke :D Y'know I have friends in FEU and they cool with it. Yeah were all good sports here

[pinkbasketball28]

@lightyagamiism ng kkiba dn po ang spelling mnsn :)

pg english thomasian > St.Thomas Aquinas

and spanish Santo Tomas

We're called Thomasians or Tomasino :)

[sadone29]

@lightyagamiism we're thomasians. english. pag tagalog na, tomasino.

[sadone29]

@lightyagamiism we're thomasians. english. pag tagalog na, tomasino. uste is what we call the campus.

[gagaintheroomify]

@lightyagamiism thomasian is the nickname for the students. USTe is the other term for UST

[jhelica017]

go USTe :)

[ASEAN2010]

AWESOME UST HYMN !

[lechic1996]

I'm proud to be a Thomasian...this hymn brings back good memories in UST.

(BS Biology batch 2000)

[marisseredblossom]

University of Santo Tomas has the best hymn ever! :)

UST, Faculty of Arts and Letters, Legal Management, 2009

[1245Ekell]

proud ako dhil kmi ang batch 2011 ng uste

[superfoxyana425]

...but what can i do? hindi naman pwedeng tumulong ka sa isang lugar tapos ung iba naman. habang naiwan mo na ung nauna, nag-struggle na muli sila. with these kinds of people it will be a devotion to help them learn to live their lives better. hindi one time big time. nasa sitwasyon ang pagtulong. tumingin kayo sa mga sarili ninyong komunidad. hindi lang sa espanya namumutakte ang mahihirap. nasa buong pilipinas.

[superfoxyana425]

maraming tomasinong proud to be coming from this university for the sole reason that some values learned from home is taught and maybe practiced in this university as well. one of them if compassion. and being compassionate does not mean we have to feed a less fortunate sa paligid ng USTe. i have a community in laguna i have been helping out for years - bago pa ako namulat sa kahirapan around my university....

[veritaserum02]

watch the official 2011 song: watch?v=TENu7iJdBT8

[votexsz]

arriba :)

[DamnControl2]

May tinatamaan ba? haha

[DamnControl2]

... so who I am to force you to believe my argument. I am just saying that the university is just the jumping point to a higher step that you must be very proud of. Do not stick to one institution, move to a greater one-for that i meant the Philippines-, be proud to be a Filipino. You are proud Thomasian but you are not proud Filipino(some or many?). But then again I can not force you to hold my belief.

[DamnControl2]

Masyado naman kayong concentrated sa pagiging Thomasian nyu, thomasian rin ako and I am not saying that I am not proud thomasian, of course I am but I believe it's not the main point of studying in UST-to be a proud thomasian. It is how you share your proudness to others. Do not say I am proud to be a Thomasian, it makes you pride yourself and makes yourself embed in that small University. The university is not the whole world, you see have to broaden your wide but every person is different....

[getmewildO2]

@DamnControl2L

wala namang masama maging proud to be a thomasian at pag sinabi mo yun hindi naman ibigsabihin na hindi ka proud maging Filipino.. actually magkahalo nga ang pagiging proud to be thomasian. Oldest university in asia is in the Philippines. the best med graduates na comparable dun sa harvard ay nasa pinas..

saka napaka random naman kung may magpopost sa video ng HYMN NG UST na "proud to be Filipino"...

just my opinion though..

[DamnControl2]

So sa salita lang pala ang Proud Thomasian. Tama nga yung prof namin sa Theo kasi gumawa sya ng Thesis about sa mga nakatira sa kalye sa paligid ng UST at ang UST walang ginagawa, sa katunayan gumawa sya ng video about sa mga nakakasalamuha nya na mga mahihirap sa paligid ng UST at gusto nyang ireproduce at alam mo kung anu ginawa? pinagbawal kasi masisira ang pangalan ng school natin na tinawag pa man din na Catholic and...

[DamnControl2]

Pontifical subalit wala namang nagagawa para sa kababayan nating mahhiirap sa lansangan. Oo, sa akademiko isa nga tayo sa mga magagaling. Paano ang moral values natin? Wala na ba tayong gagawin dun?

[nesteanish23]

Hi there. sorry po but I disagree na walang nagagawa ang unibersidad para sa mga kapatid at kababayan nating mahihirap. Huwag po ninyong huhusgahan ang unibersidad ayon lamang sa inyong nakikita. Salamat po!

[DamnControl2]

eh anu pa ang magiging batayan ko para maghusga? Statistics? Ilang ang tumutulong? Ganun ba? Linawin mo nga. Ang gulo mo eh. Ielaborate mo ng maayos, hindi ako sanay sa ganyang viewpoint pero di naman pinapaliwanag ng maayos.

[nesteanish23]

Pasensya na po kayo kung naoooffend ko po kayo. Hindi po ako nagcomment para makipagtalo. Nagcomment po ako para sa mga taga-Office for Community Development na totoo namang nagtatrabaho, para sa mga religious volunteers na nagtatrabaho, at para sa mga mag-aaral na involved sa volunteer work gaya namin. Ang sabi ko po, huwag ninyo huhusgahan ng buo ang UST na parang baldado ang BUONG unibersidad sa paglilingkod sa kapwa.

[nesteanish23]

Sumasangayon po ako na mali ang ginawa ng unibersidad ng ipagbawal nito ang pagpapalabas sa documentary ng inyong propesor. Totoo naman po na marami ang tila ay walang pakielam sa mga nangangailangan sa paligid sa ating unibersidad. Pero hindi po lahat ng mag-aaral ay ganito ang kalagayan.

Hindi po ako nagcomment para makipagtalo. Nagsasalita lamang po ako para sa mga Tomasino na hindi nananahimik sa mga isyu ng kahirapan, at sa pagtawag para maglingkod sa kapwa, higit sa nangangailangan.

[nesteanish23]

Maraming salamat po sa pagbibigay ng panahon.

[DamnControl2]

Pero ang unibersidad ang tinutukoy natin. Kung hindi kayang mag-abot ng kamay ang unibersidad sa paligid nya ay ma-iisip mo ba na pag tumulong sya sa voluntary work eh sincere sya?

[DamnControl2]

Could you give the information of your voluntary work as you claim as it is? Siguro ginagawa nyu lang yan kasi marami kayo kasi hindi kayo mahihiya. Abay hindi mo naman kelangan magvolunteer para tumulong eh. Hulaan ko, pag nagvolunteer tsaka ka lang tumutulong, tama ba? Ang problema sa atin ay pag volunteer lang tumutulong.

[nesteanish23]

Tama po kayo sa pagsasabing ang problema sa atin ay pag volunteer lang tumutulong. Pero in my case, 6 po kami ng barkada ko ang nagdecide na magcontribute monthly para sa sarili naming outreach program. Actually bukas nga po namin gagawin yung barkada outreach namin for christmas.

Anyway, sa parte ko po, hindi ko mahusgahan ang unibersidad dahil hindi ko alam ang lahat. Totoo, sa Espana pa lang napakaraming mga bata na nagugutom...

[nesteanish23]

... pero sa tingin ko po, hindi ko parin dapat husgahan ang UST dahil hindi ko nalalaman ang lahat. Sa tingin ko po ang magandang gawin ay isulong sa mga mag-aaral ang kamalayan at ang pagsasabuhay ng mga turo ng tinatawag nating Pontifical University.

Finally, ang lahat ng ito sa parte ko ay mga opinyon ko lamang. Gaya po ng sinabi ko, hindi naman po ako narito para makipagtalo. I respect your opinions and statements very much at maraming salamat ulit.

[champ0y]

Maraming naitutulong ang Unibersidad para mga kapus palad nating mga kapatid hindi lang sa mga karatig na pook, gayundin sa ibang lugar tulad ng mga sponsored communities natin. Bukod sa pagkakaroon ng mga outreach programs, ang pinakamahalagang tungkulin ng Unibersidad sa bayan ay ang paghulma nila ng mga isipan ng mga estudyante upang maging bukas sa mga nangyayari sa paligid. Tulad mo, DamnControl, binuksan ng unibersidad ang iyong isipan - ang tanong.. ano ang ginawa mo? ano ang gagawin mo?

[DamnControl2]

@champ0y Ikaw anu ginagawa mo? Mas maganda pa yung comment ni superfoxyana425. Wala ka namang individual experience eh.

[champ0y]

@DamnControl2 - may business ako na nageemploy ng mga polio victims, mga galing sa ampunan na hindi nakakuha ng mga adopting parents, at mga minsang out of school youth.. i think that's more than an individual experience...

[DamnControl2]

@champ0y Edi wag mo na ipagmayabang. Tumahimik ka na lang kung anu ang gusto ang gawin ng ibang tao.

[champ0y]

@DamnControl2 nagtanong ka. Sinagot kita. Hindi po ako nagmamayabang. Salamat

[arzie08]

dugong TOMASINO ako!

[sadone29]

GO TOMASINO! :)

[sadone29]

bt gnun. maganda naman na skul ang ust. we've produced much more board and bar passers then most 'Big' schools. pero ang daming hindi proud sa UST. mahusay po ang ust. magaling. matatalino. god fearing pa. i speak for most thomasians when i say god fearing. :) but still... UST dapat proud kayo! :) PROUD TAYO! :)

[vonKyle777]

@sadone29 ha? i haven't met anyone na graduate ng UST na hindi proud to be a THOMASIAN. I'm proud to be one as well. I'm so excited come 2011. VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

[sadone29]

@vonKyle777 hindi yung mga passer siyempre. yung mga incoming freshmen, sophies... yung mga papasok tapos lilipat ba... :P haha... GO USTE! see you sa 2011! :))

[vonKyle777]

@sadone29 a okay!

[RDMunited07]

@sadone29 ako proud... haha

[krxia]

@sadone29 you're wrong! we're proud to be a Thomasian! Yellow is better than Maroon, Blue and Green! ^^v

[sadone29]

@krxia i wasn't exactly refering to you.

[RICKMAVERRICK]

@sadone29 Go USte!!



[steamyboy69]

@sadone29 oo nga dami pa gwapo,, matitipuno patpatin ,LMAO

[jandean123]

@sadone29 : as a Catholic , we should use capital G, when we mention the name of "God". :]

[woaininuriko]

@sadone29 Who's crazy enough not to be proud of USTe?! My chin's high whenever I talk about where I came from especially about my school. Ibang-iba ang kalidad ng pagtuturo sa UST talagang pang center of excellence kaya naman po madaling-madali ang pag-aaral ko dito sa US. Natuto po akong pahalagahan ang edukasyon di gaya ng mga bata dito, they are priviledged and they take things for granted. Saka mababa ang mga moral nila- UST made me a well-rounded person and of high integrity.

[jmmelody]

Proud to be a thomasian! kahit ano pa sabihin nila,for us thomasians this is the best university.imagine,mas old pa ito kesa harvard ng amerika.

[sdhinlo]

One for UST!

[ELanThraX]

bulok pacific pc quest nlng mas malapit sa HS bldg

[jvmvp06]

yeah go uste!

[shihtzuskype]

very good hymn...

[nesteanish23]

the hymn is a prayer. just like what the lives of the Thomasians should be: an unending hymn of praises to the Lord. ^_^

[trip2jerusalem]

imbued with UNENDING GRACE!! pati sa DotA!! tara sa pacific!!

[arjhey2805]

dota amp!! hahah. tara pacific suites!! XD

[beepabs]

ang patriotic talaga ng hymn natin.

go uste :))

[DamnControl2]

hindi maxiado beepabs, hindi yan patriotic. Pakinggan mo ang Soviet anthem, yun ang category ng patriotic. inspirational hymn ang anthem natin.

[Darthymerej]

Yep this should be our national anthem napaka patriotic yung feel oo nga eh parang yung Hymn of the Russian federation its a shame na hindi ko ito alam tugtugin at hindi ko alam kung sino nag Composed. Guitar Major pamandin ako sa UST conservatory of music

[zenki47]

opo... kasi ung original version is very long and nasa lyrics niya ang katapatan ng university sa king of spain.

[mychristmaslist17]

Listen to the UST High School's Hymn. It adapted the tune of the Russian Federation. :)

[avatarspirit57]

Animo Thomasiano!

[comedianpinoy]

eeyyy UST people, magmamasteral ako sa school nyo...

sana welcome kami :D

UST medical physics department...

[DamnControl2]

Kailan pasukan ng AB?

[tolitz11]

when did UST adopted this as the hymn of the university?

also who composed and wrote the lyrics of this?

im just a little bit curious because for me this composition is like a part of UST history itself.

for sure the pautakan contestant mostly knew the architects of UST buildings but do they know the composer / lyricist for this?

[girbaud07]

UST hymn... pinag isipan, may malalim na kahulugan, hindi gaya ng other universities jan na parang pang kinder, hindi pinag isipan

[jigs914]

@girbaud07 IKR?!

[fabpauline05]

@girbaud07 weh,ang dami mong alam UWI KA NA!!

[mardelacruz06]

we need not to compare ours to others.

[enchongjake]

I'm Proud to be a Thomasian

[erichdgarcia26]

it has some resemblance to the national anthem of russia nevertheless original parin yung anthem ng ust.

[AUGUSTINOjr]

MABUHAY!!! UST

[fishsaucerecords]

I hope someday I can be one of the Thomasians that proudly sing this beautiful hymn...

[jhaize29]

mas maganda talaga hynm natin!!!

sa up kasi parang mamatay na pero maganda inperness

[nivekclarinet]

tama ka dyan

[ShiRyuukiAddict]

Veritas In Caritate!~

PROUD TO BE A THOMASIAN!

[siwawervintar]

Try listening to the Russian national anthem or the Kazaks anthem... then compare.

[tintinertz]

this hymn gives me goosebumps! every time i hear/sing i feel so proud to be a thomasian! naks! d ko to pagpapalit!!!

[jren22]

arriba letran!

sister school!

[doodes08]

viva la liga el tomasino!

[raddiemac]

chorus nga lang ung laging kinakanta.. gusto nuyo malaman ang full version ng hymn nten?? punta kau sa albertus magnus building.. sa conservatyory of music. mga tao dun for sure alam nila ung buong hymn.. hehe..

[hanchie]

ah .. ok

[joseph0487]

laking Tomasino to!! jan ako for 8 straight years! dito na ako tumanda!!

PROUD TO BE A THOMASIAN!!

[robpol4]

Proud Thomasian here =)

[lovemate138]

the best hymn so far... but if i am not mistaken there is another version but much longer

[hanchie]

actually the ust hymn is very long, so ung chorus lang lagi ang kinakanta .. well ive never heard the whole alma mater song really, i hope sa 2011 patugtugin nila :)

[nivekclarinet]

yup im from conservatory of music actually tama ka chorus lang yan..mahaba talaga kme nagrecording nyn dun se educ auditorium

[RICKMAVERRICK]

@hanchie ganda sana pag may spanish version=] PROUD TO BE THOMASIAN AT 400!

[empress897]

toMasiNo aKo!!

=1:26=

[enchongjake]

I'm Proud to be Thomasian!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bisugzzz]

PRIDE OF UST: Tony Tan Caktiong, lfredo Velayo Lucio Tan, Iza Calzado Robert Cena Arnold Clavio Ting-Ting Cojuangco Jullie Yap Daza Charlene Gonzales Sarah Geronimo Kat Hermosa John Lapuz Angel LocsiN Aubrey Miles,Chynna Ortaleza,Miriam Quiambao,Piolo Pascual,Dennis Padilla,Dimples Romana,Aiza Seguerra

[kwagzy]

Hayden Kho?! haha.. peace! dapat natin isuka yung kumag na yun... hehe..

[mikoyfc]

sabi nila this is only the chorus of the original ust hymn.....

[zenki47]

Opo.. The original contains loyalty to spain dun sa lyrics kaya tinanggal.. aun po..

[jurassicjoshua]

ui... hahaha

[19weewee84]

go eccle go UST...weewee aldave

[mondomino34]

Nakakatakot ung image ni St. Thomas. haha.

[hanchie]

dun ba sa main building un? haha yung bust nya yah nakakatakot .. chubby kasi sya, hehehe .. pero try mo dun sa museum ung mga religious images super mas nakakatakot .. hahaha

[kenworthcastillo]

woah really? there will be other branches of our school? O_O haha! it's unfair though coz it'll be bigger than our campus. haha! :D

[veritaserum02]

its kinda okay if it would be bigger than ours. The buildings (especially the main) is a classic anyways. oh and yeah... I've seen 'santo tomas prisoners liberated' and was kinda shocked that the main bldg lived through all that bombings and stuff. It's really fascinating how old UST is.

[fallenmeteor]

100% pure walang branch/es

[hanchie]

excuse me po, nagpapagawa na po ng branch ang UST sa general santos, sta. rosa, laguna, and negrombo, sri lanka ..

[veritaserum02]

hmm... i think that would take some time. my professor said the branch in gen san is going to be bigger than the one right now

[gelmendoza]

dba sa 2011 pa yung opening ng next 3 campus?

[dairokutenmaoh]

All the branches, save Negombo, WILL be bigger than the Manila campus.

[veritaserum02]

UST is CLASSIC! 400 years! its the oldest university in asia. and the biggest population of catholic students at that!

[shintaro08]

For me, UST is the most beautiful university in the Philippines.

Kaya ang dami kong nakikitang turista sa UST at nagpapapicture sa Arch of the Centuries at Main Building. Well, kahit pala yung katabing school dyan, nakikipasyal sa UST.

VIVA SANTO TOMAS!

[dairokutenmaoh]

Most beautiful, you say? You ain't seen nothing yet.

[Thomasian]

Proud to be Thomasians at 400!!

Yeah!! :D

The "Royal" part in UST doesn't have to go. Spain herself recognized our University, so the removal of the appellation is not at all necessary.

[dairokutenmaoh]

You haven't even graduated yet...

[dairokutenmaoh]

My bad. This was supposed to be a reply to carlomasajo. Somehow it ended up under yours.