Al Jazeera - Ben Cnaan raving like a madman - 1 of 3

[EmmaYaBasta]

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" — David Ben Gurion, First Prime Minister of Israel

[TheLowEndTheory]

666 views! lol

[jans7676]

As an Israeli, I must say, Ben Cnaan is an ignorant idiot. And needless to say, very rude.

[ezseeker]

I don't claim to be an authority on the situation. It would seem to me that settling the problems should be similar to writing a contract. A contract is only valid if it binds both parties. Each party must give something of value. While not a lawyer, it would appear to me that all items of interest to the contract should be addressed. One party cannot gain 90% of what they want, and then only negotiate the 10% that the other party still maintains.

Easy

[dardegman]

sweet! Pali's are not negotiating about Israel's borders, rather they want to negotiate on Israel's existance!

[Aschahin]

Well it was built on their territory. They were expelled from that territory.

[dardegman]

so say Israeli's too (a bit weird to forbid Jews to live in Judea). That's history. 90% of Israeli's are born in Israel. 90% of Palis are born outside it. The latter still claim that their home is within Israel although they never lived there. Question is if you really expect someone to step into megotiations about his very existance? What would a successful negotiation entail ? "ladies and gens, we've reached a successful negotiation, Israel has relinquished existance in exchange for peace"

[Aschahin]

Your figures are wrong... A large proportion of Jews in Israel was not born there and another part is immigrating every year to Israel so that the Jews can hold the majority. They get money for that. Im not against the existance of Israel. I feel sorry for the fate of the Jews and they should have their state. But u have to understand that Israel was only able to be founded through the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.

[dardegman]

1- Fair enough. I see that you're not contesting the Palestinian figure. Every state ought to have the right to determine the fabric of its society (commonly known as immigration laws; the Swiss define a monetary threshold, the Americans a pledge of allegiance, etc etc). I concur with your last sentence although I would add: ...hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from Israeli lands and hundreds of thousands of Jews from Arab lands (my parents belonging to the latter)

[dardegman]

2- and that's the core of the issue: what's the statue of limitations on refugeeship? (even persecution for murder becomes void after 25 years!). Why does the UN have a definition of refugeeship for every human being on earth, and another one tailored for Palestinians ONLY? The Palestinians are FIGHTING to have a state of their own in which they'll be sole master over the fabric of their society, destinity, social policies, legislative and executive structure.

[Aschahin]

2- U know whats ur problem? U always insist that everybody else accepts the Holocaust and feels sorry for you and then you are totally ignorant of the fate of Palestinians whose families have been living on Palestinian soil for centuries before Jews arrived there. Thats not the way it works, dude.

[dardegman]

As I said b4, If you wanna find a solution to the problem then forget the past and focus on the present (both Jews and Arabs claim ownership based on valid historical facts). I would argue that Israelis are NOT ignorant of the Palestinians plights, proof of that is Israel's TOTAL & UNCONDITIONAL withdrawal from Gaza as a gesture of goodwill. Result a) Palis killing each other by the bushels-no protests there and b) Hamas launches 9000 rockets and mortars into Israeli cities. Thanks for that!

[dardegman]

2- As for your comparison with the Holocaust?! Dude, wrong, take, wrong scale, wrong full stop! I do not recall a single Jew launching missiles into Berlin BEFORE, DURING OR AFTER the holocaust; nor do I recall Jews "freedom-fighting" to "Liberate the whole of Germany"; as for scale...won't even go there...P.S. as for my "problem": my problem is that unlike other "realists", I hope for peace that answers Israeli and Palestinian's aspirations. Would b cool to find a likeminded Palestinian

[maaza2]

They didn't have to fight back....the whole world was by their side.

[dardegman]

...as I said: "I hope for peace that answers Israeli and Palestinian's aspirations. Would b cool to find a likeminded Palestinian".

I know the odds for that happening are amazingly slim...

[ridwana81]

amazingly slim indeed

[EmmaYaBasta]

@djzacmaniac You are using an ultraviolent rhetorical distraction favoured by the Zionist state leaders. YOU have no right to say that a people do not exist. In the spring of 1956 clashes between Egypt and Israel took place in the Gaza Strip (which was populated by Palestinians). In October, shortly before the invasion of the Suez Canal Zone of Egypt by French and British forces, Israeli troops seized the Gaza Strip and advanced into the Sinai Peninsula. Then again in June '67. Palestine is.

[TheArisola]

@EmmaYaBasta An easier question when the crusades happen, did they occur against a Jewish state in Palestine, or was it against Arabs of all faiths wether it be Christian, Muslim or Jewish. Mr. Bush should work more on improving his IQ and take Abass with him.

[Aschahin]

I dont care about Israeli immigration laws, but the equality of citizens within Israel has to be preserved.

Some Jews were expelled many left voluntarily not only Arab countries but also European countries, Russia and the USA after 1948. In islamic countries Jews never experienced persecution like they did in Europe.

[dardegman]

Different scale, for sure. But same spirit! Sporadic farhouds in Jewish neighbourhoods in muslim countries. For G'ds sake, the Palestinian mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin Al Husseini, implored Adolf to take care of his Jews too!

As for Jews that left voluntarily: My grandparents left Bagdad "voluntarily". They had to "voluntarily" leave all their posessions behind and where allowed only to take what they can carry. Arab generosity and hospitality.

[Aschahin]

Not only Husseini sought for Cooperation with the Nazis against the colonial powers. Read about the Stern Gang on wikipedia. And if ure already there read about how arabs protected jews from the nazis during the africa-campaign, or how Mohammed V from Morrocco rejected to impose the restriction from the VIchy regime on the Jews. BTW what did the Jews do for us?

[dardegman]

Bit of semantics here:-) Stern Gang didn't represent Jews...they where actually hunted down by the Jewish authorities. Husseini on the other hand was representing the palestinian population as a whole. Sure, there where "kinder" arab regimes.

RE

[dardegman]

RE what did the Jews do for us: Odds are high that the pentium chip on the computer that you're currently using to bust my balls has been invented by an Israeli. I hope you don't get ill too much 'cause then - G'd forbid - you'll have to use some medicin that has also been invented by a Jew. The contribution of Jews to humanity (starting with the truth of 1 singe G'd up to sattelite imaging!) has been staggering. We just don't shout it out from every roof top :-))

[Aschahin]

Yes but they werent hunted down for that u forgot to mention. The truth is u simply didnt collaborate with the Nazis because THEY refused. It was a natural thing among anti-colonial groups from all over the world (Africa, India, Lechi, Husseini) to seek for cooperation with the competitive power to France and Britain. Btw Ive got AMD ;-)

[dardegman]

@Aschahin Re "The truth is u simply didnt collaborate with the Nazis because THEY refused." Yeah right! And when did we intend to help the Nazis out? Before they decided to exterlinate us, during or after??!!! Dude, lay off the drugs ;) Husseini didn't seek the cooperation of Nazi Germany to "get rid" of his local Jews, but rather to "exterminate" his local Jews.

[fartybraindeath]

@dardegman If the Stern Gang didn't represent Jews, why did one of its leaders, Yitzhak Rabin, become prime minister? He was not the only terrorist leader to become prime minister of Israel.

[dardegman]

@fartybraindeath Yitzhak Rabin wasn't in the Stern Gang, he was in the Hagannah.

[fartybraindeath]

@dardegman You are right. Sorry. I meant to say Yitzhak Shamir.

[fartybraindeath]

@fartybraindeath But that still leaves us with at least three (that I know of) prime ministers who were terrorists: Rabin, Shamir and Begin.

Haganah was not a whole lot better than the Stern Gang. The two worked together to perpetrate the Deir Yassin massacre.

[ezseeker]

In a situation like this, there is plenty of blame to go around. The lady makes good points on what is necessary to move toward peace. One needs to forget the past, and to move toward justice, rather than toward what one believes was destiny for them. Religious doctrines are always an obstacle to justice.

Justice is not just for the powerful; it is for all.

Easy

[site786]

One can't forget the past. It's this liberal idiology that keeps conflicts alive. The solution is always to find common ground. Ending a violent past might be common ground, not forgetting it but using it.

[csrtdot1985]

Notice how the Jew gets all worked up!! lmao loser

[benhadod]

he is a moron