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  • eric according to you everybody is part of conspiracy, look for help man!

    i don't believe the holohoax thanks to these people, and there are thousands like me, all convinced by what you call "zionist agents" to disbelieve the holohoax??? fuck off man!

  • Look up Zundel's page on Wikipedia and you'll find the zionist mafia's plot to do him physical harm. The root problem is the red mafiya and the spread of their ideology. Everything is pure fantasy. If you want to know the truth, then read about 9/11 and ZIM shipping. For once in your life, use your brain and think of the symbolic implications of containers and the doctrine of containment.

  • @DesireToPushEast Everything you just wrote was MEANINGLESS. You just talk too much and get nowhere with your out of context wording and pure jew lies, you never deny that the jews are faggot-loving, foreskin-eating, woman-hater's who worship the talmud and sacrificed their own people in their personal pursuit of power. You jew faggots have funded EVERY single WAR and conquest of others lands, pathetic assholes should be ashamed of how disgusting your past and ancestry will always be!

  • "Can we trust Ernst Zundel?" ...With the first sentence spoken by your narrator, I already KNOW I CAN trust him!

  • There is no "white race." My people are Irish. I have nothing in common with anyone from Belgium, Germany, France, Estonia, Finland, America. They are not my brethren any more than you are. White skin is a weak banner under which to unite. Weak indeed.

    Being "proud of being white" just means you can't think of anything else to celebrate. If "being white" is your biggest accomplishment, consider going back to school.

  • @GoodCanadienne wrong, there are 3 races within the human species, and DNA proves this. They are the Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid races, and each has strikingly different physical characteristics.

    I do agree with you in that it's nonsense to be proud of one's race, because people have no control over which race they are, and a person can only be proud of their actions/achievements.

    Now, go tell the black and brown races to stop being proud of their race, and to go back to school.

  • yea well iwaz ova dare and dem was wow like a baby blue whoe are you im not too threw hahahah whes dee goyemms dems dee none genetals id fly too dee mooon the

  • yea well iwaz ova dare and dem was wow like a baby blue whoe are you im not too threw hahahah

  • Can we trust Eric Hufschmid? I think not. Even suggest the question trust Ernst Zundel or Michael Collins Piper or Wills Carto. Divide & conquer.

  • BWAHAHahahahahahaha. . . and we can trust Leuchter too. . right??. . .The Wannabe liar PE with only a LIBERAL ARTS degree in history.

    And Krege. . . sure. . .we can trust him too. .. the claimed EE (I've never seen the sheepskin) turned GPR expert who even well after 10 years has still failed to produce his promised report.

    And Mark Weber. . . well. . I trust his last statement. . BWAHAHAHAHAHahahahahaha

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  • Can we? Yes!

  • Sorry Eric, but connecting Zündel with the Zionists is a typical jewish tactic, to discredit their enemies belonging to themselfes. Twisted tacitics. Especially when no evidence is put up, jsut a claim, there is always something wrong.

  • and oh course he just happens to look like an undertaker from the Adams Family - fuck off Hufschmid - you cointelpro ass licking bastard !!

  • off course we can trust zundel he offers true facts holo lie never happened

  • It is absurd to put Crazy Old Man for having "whacky ideas".

  • You are trying to confuse people, but yes we CAN TRUST Ernst Zundel.

  • @Montacos Indeed, the Rivero/Jones clique are hardly on the same wavelength as Zundel; they generally have a speech impediment that stops them fro saying the "J" word - Zundel has certainly NEVER had this "problem"(!). This guy seems to suggest they are screwing each other and sharing tea and toast in the morning! NO, Zundel is not in bed with Mr Jones! X)

  • Zundel is legit, the video poster here is a moron. Look for the REAL SHILLS like Alex Jones, and a host of others who will never be imprisoned numerous times like Zundel, as they are 100 % shills, which is what Zundel was NOT.

  • @EducatedRebellion101 Zundel is a joke. Never saw a Denier that wasn't. He just wants the world to forget what his country did during the war. They say how Hitler just wanted to deport the Jews from Germany. Then, why when Anne Frank left germany. THey picked up her family in Amsterdam. Just to put them in the camps? Why not just leave her where she was? Since she did what the Deniers say. She left Germany.

  • @jrwel14 Oh jeez... You read Anne Frank and your the expert. Please STFU - you are utterly bemused and out of your depth.

  • @andy7666 You guys listen to Zundel, Cole and you think you know more about what happened than anyone! You jokes will not accept any facts that prove you wrong. Photo? Deny!, Recording?, Deny! If, people like you lived centuries ago. You would deny the Earth revolving around the sun! So, as you say, STFU! You are little people with smaller minds!

  • @andy7666 Will add, you state that you love learning about the past. But, you sound like a person who hates blacks would go to a KKK website to learn about blacks. And, BEFORE you do the usual, "well, you're a paid zionist." BS! Have Swedish, danish and some German background!

  • can we trust you? if you masturbate on your torah.... then you can count my trust out

  • i thought this for German bikes but is shit

  • The holocaust is the only genocide in human history that is prohibited by law to revision. Maybe they got something to hide?

    One fine day the truth will be revealed, and the whole world has to come to Germany to apologize for all that anti-german propaganda of the last 65 years.

  • Hufschmid, you are a zionist agent of disinformation. Every one knows that. You couldn't carry Ernst Zundels lunch buddy.

  • Zundel left Germany to Canada to avoid the military. He believes that UFOs are Nazi creations designed to monitor mankind. He makes his living selling Nazi paraphernalia. He offered very expensive tours to "hidden/secret" Nazi UFO bases in Antarctica. The man is CERTIFIABLE! Only desperate goose stepping idiots give this BOZO any respect....and well they should..because they don't have much to choose from..

  • So, Arab terrorists didn't attack the Pentagon? Must have been a plane of old Grandmothers on their way to Florida. Get Real! These people are paranoid to the max! Everyone are Zionist agents and every problem the world has ever had. Were created by the jewish people. The nazis invited the jews to lavish vacation spas. So, they're innocent. These comments these people make are pure stupid!

  • Can we trust Eric Hufschmid?  One thing is for sure, maybe he is smarting after Christofer Bollyn has been threatening to sue Eric. It is true there are many jew disinfo agents and they must be getting a big laugh out of all this.

  • It's not the jesuits, knights of malta,vatican,illuminati,bilde­rberg,elite,skulls and bones,bankers,zionist jews, it's ONE WORD with the motherfucker in front, its THE MOTHERFUCKING JEWS!!! and some goym that sold their soul to them, not zionist just JEWS, search "Talmud exposed" that precedes Torah and learn the world's enemy better than your wife,mother etc.

  • the jews were the true exterminationists of the WW2 era not the Germans. Read about communist jews such as Genrikh Yagoda who ruled over the Gulag death camps and Salomon Morel who ruled over the Zgoda death camp. The jews disseminated lies about German "death camps" to deflect scrutiny away from all of their own real death camps. Read about the Holodomor, Danzig, Bromberg and Katyn forest which revealed the fundamental nature of world judaism. The jews ruled over the Soviet Gulag camps.

  • @imberch Read about Oradour-Sur-Glane. A FRENCH town wiped out by the Waffen SS. The Greek town Distomo, The Dutch town, Puten, the Czech town Lidice. The Einsatzgruppe's killing squads. When Himmler saw 100 Jews executed. He threw up. So, the gas chambers were created. He carried an Aryan medalion. So, he wouldn't feel guilty for what he did.

  • Hufschmid, I mmagne that counter information is around. Actually you could be one sionist agent. But as Zudel you are specialist in your areas- Zundel in WWII and you in 911. Lets leave like this. Mr Zudel defended his belives consistently, transparrently and reasonbly - just enough to hear some of his interview.

  • Hufschmid, you're a bullshit artist. If they go out and tell the whole truth all at once, no one will be ready to hear it. People learn the truth in steps. Have you been to prison for what you've said? No. The Jews are probably laughing at your moon landing ideology. It discredits another accomplishment of the white race. You're loonier than even Alex Jones. We don't need you in our movement discrediting us.

  • Willis Carto is a Zionist agent?

    okay, now I've heard it all. This whiny little shit ought to start his own new nation in the bottom of a trash can.

    How much is Israel paying Zundel to sit in prison?

    A: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    This video belongs in the toilet.

  • So Ernst Zundel is sitting in prison for taking a stand on the Holohoax as part of a zionist plot?

    Bullshit

  • when Spielberg released his hate-film 'Schindler's List' the NY Times polled USA adults and found that 34% did not believe the holocaust claims. Since 1993 that figure has risen to 44% while the percentage of europeans and arabs who do not believe the holocaust story is even greater. Technology such as the internet allowed essential information to be shared which helped to deracinate the wartime myth. 75% of the original holocaust claims already have been abandoned as anti-German propaganda.

  • more Jew disinformation. any public media time David Duke or Zundel get is for the sole purpose of bashing them

    I don't know who this Eric Hufschmid guy is but from the sound of his voice, he sounds like a fuckin Jew to me. Sounds just like Mort Goldman from Family Guy

  • You're right, this video is nothing but poison. Six minutes of directing ad hominem attacks at all and sundry and they didn't even begin to broach the subject they were claiming to report on. Ernst Zundel is a hero. And saying Jeff Rense ignores Zionism is absurd. These slack-jawed, whiny idiots should offer something constructive or sthu.

  • The 1969 book "The Myth of the Six Million" by Harvard PhD David Hoggan proposed that the WW2 holocaust claims were manufactured by USSR, USA and England to justify their war of aggression against Germany. Post-WW2 the holocaust claims were used to demonize Germans, prohibit German re-armament, steal Palestine, steal hundreds of billions of dollars and deflect scrutiny away from the USSR gulag camps, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Hamburg, Dresden, west african slavery and south african apartheid.

  • This makes the most sense..."the myth of 6 million"....Isn't it ironic that you aren't even able to list all of the war crimes committed in the space provided?! I hope everyone reading this has the ability to think even "some independent thoughts"!? Question even your own "beliefs" to see if they are true or some false construct of "mind control"? They've been constantly perfecting the skill of deception so take nothing for granted! Even your own "church leaders" etc.! Seek truth above all!

  • Zundel is a Zionist? On top of stating this bull crap, you make your case worse by dragging in your fable that the moon landing was faked. Why not pick one subject?

  • EricHufschmid is a DIS INFO agent at the very LEAST,and much more I suspect. In my own words,Eric,YOU are FULL of SHIT.

  • @FREEW0RLD2012 it makes more sense, he is either nuts or he's the true Zionist agent

  • The best thing Americans could do to promote peace in the Middle East, and end a lot of the resentment against their country, would be to stop their politicians giving 4 billion dollars a year to Israel. Without this money for their military, Israel would be more likely to stop making new settlements on Arab land and reach some sort of peace. The 4 billion might be handy in the pockets of the people who earned it :-)

  • I've never heard of Rivero before watching this video, but it's obvious that Hufschmid is misrepresenting what he says about Israel. Rivero (at 1:25) makes the commonsense point that Israel will continue to exist as a nation (does Huf think 3 million Israelis should move to New York?) but Huf twists this to make out that Rivero supports Zionists.

  • MelbourneMr: I agree with you completely. Huf is a dis info agent at the very least.

  • Ernst Zundel is a Zionist agent in prison? LOLO!

    I think Eric Hufshmid is a Zionist agent for putting out this deliberate bullshit.

  • I do too PatriotsCall69.

  • So, if Rivero pushes Arabs flying a "plane" and can't be anything but a Zionist agent after 5 years, then why isn't the US government in on 9/11? When did the US government stop pushing Arabs flying "planes?"

    Who still can't tell the difference between a cartoon and a real plane after 8 years and isn't a Zionist agent? The 9/11 truth movement is also dominated by "cartoonhuggers" who are attempting to keep the Zionist media's "cartoonplanes" safe from public scrutiny. Eric Hufschid, maybe? LOL!

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  • ask Michael collins piper about Huffy, or DBSmith ... the guys a psycho

  • Hufschmid is simply overly paranoid.

  • Hufschmid is correct about everything with the exception of Zundels guilt as an agent of the jews....(This could be true too though) More likely that he was betrayed by his wife and the others (Rivero etc.) He probably is mostly guilty of using bad judgement in his choice of who to trust! Sad truth either way! Investigate everyone and everything! The truth will prevail!

  • @mikesglider that coould be true.. its probably his wife

  • What a load of junk. Either deliberate misinformation, or rampant egotism.

    Unlike some others Ernst Zundel has made real sacrifices for truth and freedom, and is in prison now at age 70 for refusing to be silenced.

    This film doesn't rate 1 star!

  • Exactly. This is deliberate misinformation.

  • I'm not sure if Hufschmid is deliberately producing misinformation, or if he's just paranoid. But one thing is sure, he certainly isn't doing revisionism any favours with this stuff. Connecting the moon landing and other issues to Holocaust revisionism just gives the establishment an easy way to discredit serious revisionists like Germar Rudolf. And the people he's criticising, like Ernst Zundel, have done far better work than him.

  • @MelbourneMr

    Hufschmid is actually related to the crypto Jewish media mogul and dedicated Zionist, Rupert Murdoch. It is a small world isn't it?

    SEE Article on the internet : Eric Hufschmid and Rupert Murdoch - Agents of Deception at Bollyn.com

  • this guy is idiotic. of course we can trust ernst zundel, and the way he is talking, i think he is zionist. he talks of ernst zundel "deliberately arresting himself." just like zionists say that revisionists say that the jews in the camps killed themselves so that way they can get people to ignore what revisionists have to say.

  • common sense says zundel is a straightforward.

  • why trust you mate you have not been jail if your in jail your to be trusted full stop

  • yes WE CAN TRUST ZUNDEL !!

  • @napajedlacek No we can't trust Zundel!!

    Unles you want to buy a nazi UFO from him!

    Ufo for sale,owned by an elderly nazi from Antartica,low kms,only flown on Jewish New Year!

    If you don't get the UFO connection,google it.

  • I highly doubt that Ernst Zundel is a Zionist...his wife made a huge mistake in contacting Rivaro; or did Rivaro contact her?

  • Of course it is a lie. All eyewitness (jews and nazis) are liars. All documents are fraud. Only you know the "secret" truth.  Thanks for sharing. LMAO.

  • Well you think Jews burn to dust in pits in Polish winter so I think it is obvious your a cretin. Either you think Jews burn better than wood or it is a lie either way you have proven scientific ignorance and a 2 digit IQ

  • All I know is, my belly is full, I have a nice house to live in, there is work for my hands and I get laid almost every night.

    I don't care about any of this crap.

  • I know that at least one Apollo moon shot was faked, because if you look closely at the TV footage, you can see the Frito Bandito holding up the astronauts on the moon for some Fritos. Seeing is believing.

  • The Zionists control everything? Who controls them? and who controls them? Some people need to get a life.

  • I think the Benjamin Freedman speach is a real insight to what Zionism is. I ask you this do you believe humanity does not lie for its own ends and greed if so you are in a delusional bubble dumb version of reality. I think Jews have a very racist religion that claims they are Gods master race and everyone else are animals

  • "Ernst Zundel has been debunked in court numerous times."

    Popular things the "court of public opinion" has believed before:

    - The Sun revolves around the Earth.

    - The Earth is flat.

    - Tidal waves are the result of Poseidon's rage.

    The fact of the matter is the guy's been thrown in jail for his beliefs. If his beliefs were so obviously wrong, he could be "debunked" publicly, and everyone could go on believing what they already do...

    ...but no, he's a political prisoner.

    HMM.

  • Anything that needs laws to control how you think does not have the facts on their side

  • Well put!

  • You missed the boat buddy. Nobody controls how anybody thinks. How you express yourself is very different. A fact you missed.

  • No facts are what are mssing with the holohoax myth it is as real as the weapons of mass destruction lie to invade Iraq. Look into Jews made into soap totally debunked on every level.

    Zionists need the sympathy to get away with blowing up UN schools and killing children

  • Keep dreaming. Given your criteria you could not prove Napoleon existed.

  • "Anything that needs laws to control how you think does not have the facts on their side"

    ...or, in other words, the truth does not fear investigation.

  • In the beginning of this video, the narrator says that Zundel's wife claims that the attack on pearl harbor was a lie. But the video shows what she truly said at :47.....she says that FDR claimed it was a surprise when he knew the attack was coming.

    This video is dishonest for that. She never claimed pearl harbor didn't happen. That's preposterous.

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  • Eric Hufschmid is either really paranoid or trying to cast doubt on each and every single truly conservative white.

    In fact, the people he claims are traitors may well be the most trustworthy. Notice how he doesn't mention AmRen for example. He does mention Alex Jones, I'll give him that.

  • The soap story (Jews made into soap) was common in my country some years ago. Now it isn't taught any longer. The "greatest" holocaust historian and leader of the antisemitism investigation center in Germany, who writes standard books for history students, namely Wolfgang Benz explains that the soap story contains a "symbolical truth". So, instead of saying: "Well, it was a lie." he says it is symbolicaly true.

    That's how it goes.

  • Symbolical truth?

    Hahahahahaha. That's the best one so far!

  • The question is: can we trust Ernst Zundel? And the answer is - indeed we can! Whilst Jews and their scumbag goy lackeys are liars and criminals,we have Ernst Zundel - beacon of truth,justice,honesty,and virtue!

  • Jew communists around 1930 were the ones who invented mobile gas chambers in sealed armored buses that they used to choke to death Russian and Ukrainian peasants by carbon monoxide from running engines. Same trick as how the jews tried to hide all of their 4500 years of slavetrading and slaveholding by reversing history to say that they were actually the slaves, jews did the same trick with their gassings to reverse the truth to paint themselves as the victims of gassings by the Germans.

  • Funny how Hufschmid is questioning everyone else's trustworthiness.

    Can we trust Eric Hufschmid?

  • See "Ernst Zundel Caught Lying Again". A great Mike Wallace Interview (60 Minutes). The only lies are those presented in this video. Neo nazi are sick puppies and need help. They refuse the obvious and adhere to their gang mentality. Nazis lost big time....get over it.

  • protocols of the elders of zion

    discovered 105 years ago, it is all there.

  • Does this guy deserve to go into jail for thinking

    what about free expression

    fucking zionists, lets smash some bankers heads

  • So an extra 4 or 5 million gypsies, gays, uncurably disbled people and other political prisoners and ethnic minorities are in on this conspiracy too? Can anybody explain to me the reason for the jewish population in europe falling from over 8 million to less than 3 million without citing the holocaust? No, so fuck off, stop lying, and kill yourself and your children and parents.

  • Can we trust a convicted Denier-liar who speciality is an assault on truth and the collective memory of the survivors & liberators. I think not !!!

  • While Robert Wolfe was director of USA military archives in Washington, DC there was a big event in the 1970s where he admitted in public that all of the evidence to prove the Holocaust actually took place "would fit inside a small shoe box". Because jew leaders know it is all WWII propaganda lies they refuse to go on tv to debate the validity of their claims about "gas chambers" or "6 million". Jews even disavow making the claims but say it was "the Allies" who claimed it happened.

  • This is thought crimes law! Getting pinched for your own

    personal thoughts and opinions, particularly those that are true! Can you trust someone that even ask if ZUDEL can be

    trusted! The message when true,is always attacked. The bad

    news is that all of you are next to be pinched in the near

    future. Concentration camps for all Americans is here!

  • I'm surprised Hufschmid hasn't asked if Mullins is a Zionist agent.

  • Maybe Eric Hufschmid is a Zionist agent. There is the claim that he is Jewish.

  • zundel has been in prison for 9 years because he "denied" the jewish lie of the 6 million dead by gas chambers

    he is a fucking HERO!!!!!!!

  • "Because when you deny the Jewish Holocaust (6 million) YOU AUTOMATICALLY deny the non-Jewish Holocaust (5 million)"(Kreplatch2)

    6 million has already been denied by the Auschwitz Memorial Museum. It is officially down to 1.5 million now.

    Feel a bit humiliated ?

  • 1.5 million doed at auschwitz alone you fucking cretin.

  • Maybe fraser. But why is it not allowed to challenge that fact? If it is so clearly proven, what do you have to fear?

  • Well, nothing, because it is so clearly proven. Allowing people to question history is allowing them a basic freedom, and cannot be criticised, allowing people a pulpit from which they can spout falsifications of history that support their ideologies is allowing a basic freedom. Arguing against and refuting the assertions is a basic freedom. Are you saying we should not be allowed to refute holocaust deniers? I am confused as to how this could be construed as any sort of supression.

  • "Allowing people to question history is allowing them a basic freedom, and cannot be criticised" Right. Well, here in Germany, you go to jail for 5 years. And we jail their lawyers as well, for good measure.

    "Are you saying we should not be allowed to refute holocaust deniers?" Hello no! But your case would be so much more convincing if you could uphold it withouth locking up all dissenters.

  • "your case would be so much more convincing if you could uphold it withouth locking up all dissenters." - when did i say i agreed with or advocated the locking up of 'dissenters'? I disagree with David Irving's imprisonment and while i may not agree with what he says i will defend to the death his right to say it. Incidentally I am British, and holocaust denial is not a crime here.

  • I know, and I guess we agree anyway and really have nothing to debate here.

    In case you're wondering what I think - I'm no historian and have no qualified opinion. I just find it odd - and plain wrong - that we're lockign people up (and their lawyers) in 2008 for disagreeing with official history. Maybe it's just stupid. But criminal? Makes me wonder just WHY they shoudl find it necessary...

  • Well the holocaust is a very sensitive part of history, and of course nothing should be removed from the pracice of revision and examination, but holocaust deniers pose a clear and future danger to truth and memory, and if you do a little research as i'm sure you will, many of them (Zundel, Irving, Leuchter) falsify, mistranslate, misrepresent, suppress facts in producing their 'history'.

  • "holocaust deniers pose a clear and future danger to truth and memory"

    I guess we DO disagree after all!! You just said "because it is so clearly proven" beforehand.

    Somethign SO clearly proven surely will stand up in the face of nonsensical lies?

    The truth needs no protection. Argue the hell out of them. All it takes.

  • No, you don't understand: They are a clear and future danger because the sort of people who deny the holocaust are born every minute, who will cling pathetically to the coat-tails of polemicists for various reasons; attention, ideology, whatever. It is clearly proven to those of us intelligent enough to examine the facts and make up our own minds, but there is an alarming new breed of morons, who claim to be enlightened but in fact are quite the reverse, obstinate in their ignorance.

  • Most people have neither the time nor the intellect or opportunity to investigate independently. I'll admit I've spent a few hours researching online (basically cos it's illegal which made me curious) and reached no conclusion at all.

  • Cont. What are their contentions? Do they have any? Or are they simply caviling until they come accross an often irrelevant or refutable point on which they stake their reputation as proof of the holocaust. The fact that all of their reputations lie in tatters should answer this question.

  • Sorry, proof of the 'holohoax'.

  • I cannot answer the first question cos I am not qualified and have no plans to go to jail either ;-)

    "The fact that all of their reputations lie in tatters should answer this question."

    I disagree on that point. Just consider the totalitarian political-correctness idiocy these days. A lot of people have vested interests in the status quo. The State of Israel was largely made possible through this part of history. An old French geezer was almost beaten to death by Isrealis... eg

  • Faurisson I believe his name was.

  • Well according to 'the holocaust in collective memory', the holocaust basically destroyed any jewish aspirations to establish isreal. They would have needed to justify the creation of a country for several million european jews, but instead after the holocaust the number of remaining jews did not warrant a new country. the holocaust was used as leverage but it was not in any way the single or most major factor in its establishment.

  • Either way, it's a powerful political weapon that many couldn't afford to lose, and a formidable source of income and sympathy.

  • You know what I honestly think they should do? When teaching about it in schools, they should address the revisionists' claims - and not the ones that are obviosu lies, but the ones that are the hardest to refute. And they absolutely need to STOP the bullshit about making soap from prisoners and such.

  • I was tought the holocaust in school and at no point was I or any of my fellow pupils informed of such practices, making lampshades from skin etc. Well why don't they do this with other issues? The facts and contentions of traditional historians of the holocaust ARE basically refutations of the revisionists. That's the thing, they pick at little cracks in the wall, under the childish delusion that these cracks are harbingers of the wall's collapse.

  • Maybe so. But you have to admit these are odd little details. The Soviets DID produce a lot of propaganda bullshit. There are pictures with buckets full of heads and alleged beheading machines, that I believe no mainstream historian considers anything but Soviet war-propaganda (and fake). All I'm saying is nothing should be off limits. The truth should emerge anyway.

  • Are they? I'm sure if we examined any historical issue, like vlad the impaler's antics, the stories of 20,000 impaled turkish prisoners in a forest of death, it may turn out they they were more spread out, or that they weren't impaled but were stabbed and impaled after death, but either way they were all mercilessly slaughtered. Look at the auschwitz crematoria oven capacities if you want some solid irrefutable truth.

  • "Look at the auschwitz crematoria oven capacities if you want some solid irrefutable truth."

    I've already given up on finding the "truth" here. I'll go with mainstream history once they stop imprisoning and beating up dissenters. Until then, I'll just have to say - I have no clue. And you know that "oven capacities" is just the sort of thing revisionists like to argue about. I can neither affirm or deny anything. I have no clue. Having said that, they had a lot of ovens, yes.

  • No it's not. Revisionsists like to argue about when recreations were built, and where mass graves are, and point which do not actually detract from the premise that millions of people were slaughtered. Oven capacities is not an issue for debate, the capacities are known and acknowledged by all. In order to handle the typhus outbreak of 43, they would have needed a capacity of 50,000 corpses a month, yet in auschwitz the ovens were equipped for 120,000. (DD Guttenplan - The Holocaust On Trial).

  • Well, you clearly know more about this than myself, and not only would I committ a criminal offense by even trying to argue with you, I'd also have to just regurgitate what I find on other peoples' websites.

  • If it was from a website i would dismiss it. Find me something from a canonically-rendered thesis and i will listen.

  • "from a canonically-rendered thesis"

    Haha. As in "accepted by mainstream historians"? Of course, no such work exists.

  • Well it doesnt matter who agrees or disagrees, if the sources match, and the research is legitimate, and nothing has been twisted or made up or stretched or suppressed or omitted in order to support the assertions, then people wil have no choice but to listen.

  • Hey Fraser, I got another one for ya:

    NY Times, Nov 10th, 1988

    Time too painful to remember (original online)

    "They had a cage with a bear and an eagle. Each day, they would throw a Jew in there. The bear would tear him apart and the eagle would gnaw at his bones".

    Allegedly at Buchenwald, now admittedly NOT an extermination camp.

    Whattayasaytothat?

  • What do you say to Zundel's contention that the nazi's have a secret base in new swabia (in the antarctic) and send UFOs up to observe us?

    I for one have heard no legitimate historian make such a claim about bears and eagles, or about prisoners/victims being made into soap or lampshades.

  • Chill! You're answering a question with a question!

    If Zundel's actually said that he's lost his mind.

    I just wanted to challenge you with that comment. No answer for an answer is just as good though.

  • you gotta admit asking us to believe this is a bit... and I've actually been to Buchenwald - no mention of that there.

    And yet, that sort of shit goes totally unchallenged. Why?

  • Well your asking me questions and criticising assertions i personally have never made or endorsed.

    Zundel DID actually say that, you cant expect me to believe you without question and then doubt everything i say. I'm the one with more then one brain cell in this conversation.

    Zundel said it a while ago i believe, around the same time he was denying the holocaust.

    It does go challenged...you only notice the challenge when a nutter makes it.

  • An insult is a poor substitute for an argument. Telling as well.

  • It was an addition to an arguement.

    If all you have is "sticks and stones" then you dont have an arguement.

  • sticks and stones? As I said, pointless, have a nice day.

    PS: This is essentially unimportant.

    I do not accept the destruction of the peoples of Europe, if it's true or not.

    We will resist.

  • You're not very clever are you?

    What do you do for a living?

  • ad hominem attacks just expose the weakness of your case.

    It is not important, it was a long time ago anyway.

  • The weakness of my case? By adressing my obervations and not my contentions only exposes the weakness of yours.

  • AND

    Just cos one guy is apparently lying does NOT in fact prove everyone else is, too.

    I'll give you that.

  • Well...David Irving....was a liar.

    Fred Leuchter...was unqualified, and a liar.

  • I wasn't talking about those though. Never mind. Have a nice day.

  • Dear "Mentalist",

    how come Irving was so renowed and viewed as such a qualified historian TIL HE STOPPED BELIEVING IN THE HOLOCAUST STORY? Did he became stupid after having been a esteemed straight-line historian? Certainly not, and I am not saying this as a Irving sympathizer (not at all!). But when he knows one thing because of good investigation, then it is the holocaust tale.

  • there is one testimony I found where a guy claimed that 1000 people were burned within, at most, 30 minutes in open pits, 6 to 8 by 2m (depth unkown).

    I don't know if this testimony is real or a fabrication by deniers (which would make sense to me), either way I cannot deny finding it hard to - let's say grasp, how 1000 people could be reduced to ash within 30 minutes in an open pit, or even fit in there in the first place. Yet again, I am no expert and my conclusions are of no specific value.

  • Make your own conclusions, make your own opinions. Their validity will be determined when your sources and assertions are examined. Think what you like, just always check your sources.

  • I do. What do you think about that specific testimony? I can try finding it on YT if you care. You seem to know the topic, so I'd be curious to hear your explanation.

  • I don't know. What i did notice on one website i was told about was a denier who dismissed all eyewitness testimony due to bias or some other reason, yet he made an attempt to disprove the existence of mass graves at chelmno using eyewitness testimonies to find the locations. This kind of double-standards and historyical and desperate ignorance is ubiquitous in the world of holocaust denial.

  • Ok, so here you go. Just ignore what comes after the testimony, I do not endorse it (haven't even really watched most of it). just the guy at the start.

    /watch?v=V6JKrfqVq-g&feature=c­hannel_page

  • Adn don't you dare tip off youtube about that video... that'd be chickent shit. better lemme know what you think of it.

  • U still there buddy??

  • Thought crime is a horrible concept. Holocaust deniers need not be suppressed but humiliated in open court.

    We cant trust Chritopher Bollyn either as he cant make up his mind on the 5 Dancing Israelis as he exonerated them then 2 years later changed his mind.

  • You see European countries like Germany. Austria and even France are horrified in regard to holocaust denial. (They consider holocasut revision a motion towards denial)

    Why horrified? Because when you deny the Jewish Holocaust (6 million) YOU AUTOMATICALLY deny the non-Jewish Holocaust (5 million) I expect Poland to join in. Its no conspiracy.

  • UPDATE ! Israel has managed to impose a clause forcing all new EU members to admit their guilt according to holocaust story. Latvia (EU member) now refuses to bow to this demand because it's goverment found out in soviet archives that the founder of Yad Vashem (Israel holocaust institute), Yitzhak Arad (aka:Rudnicki) was in fact a NKVD agent and that he was a direct participant in the real mass-killings of thousands of latvians he accuses the germans of being responsible of. Look it up !