China in revolution 1911-1949 (part2/10)

[krglongbourn]

the soongs had a huge hold on the finances to this revolution. and the gangster of opium. chang could have won. what made mao successful

[Klaus1386]

@krglongbourn Chiang had to fall back at nanking, which was then brutally raped this turned the population against him, apparently he shouldve just stayed there and died..

[Bander1]

Also the tactics used by Mao was much better than Chang's

Mao's troops treated the populace well. Chang's troops killed many civlians in trying to defeat the CCP.

So Chang lost the hearts and minds battle.

[Bander1]

Well it can be said that Mao won by letting his enemy Chang Kai Shek expend his army fighting the Japanese. The KMT fought most of the battles vs. the Japanese losing a LOT of men. The CCP hid and did guerilla warfare. By 1945, the CCP was strong and the KMT was weakened. Also many KMT soldiers defected to the CCP as they viewed the CCP to be better and Japan was defeated.

[ThatKidsChannel]

Reading all the debate i'm seeing below this video, i see that a lot of people are speaking selectively...

There is evidence to say Mao was a brutal man, and there is evidence to say he was compassionate. For instance, he went too far in the Yenan period (after he was elected into the politburo) during the rectification campaign, which he called to a halt, supposedly with tears in his eyes. On the other hand, 70million died under him, in peace time.

Also, Russia was a worker rev. not peasant.

[twosquirrelly]

@4:00 Chiang Kai-sheks son says that his father told him that the "biggest fault of Communism was that it was inhuman" and then @5:30 you watch the Nationalists massacre the Communists.

Who's inhuman?

All thru history, Peasant rebellions have always been ruthlessly crushed by the Aristocracy.

[Lim23S]

Chiang faced a weak China in chaos with no strong democratic tradition; he had to make do with what he had, or his head would be on the chopping board.Communist's idea of Utopia was and still is a strong intrusive one-party state, with state-control enterprises and no private ownership(but they allow now but still there is some kind of a state-control, and do not allow just anybody to do it), No freedom of speech. They considered wealthy class and intellectuals as class enemies during Mao's time

[twosquirrelly]

@Lim23S There have been many 'peasant revolts' all thru history, and they were all crushed by the Aristocracy.

There were only 2 that succeeded - Russia and China. They succeeded because they knew that they had to completely wipe away the Aristocracy and all their supporters. If they had not come down hard on the Nationalists, the Nationalists would have found a way - with help from their powerful friends - to come down hard on the Communists. Mao was doing what he knew they would do to him.

[twosquirrelly]

@Lim23S Also, China was always a strong 'one party state' aka a Monarchy (Dynasties) who ruthlessly crushed dissent. The Communists knew what their fate would be if they didn't 'expunge' the power structure that had been there for thousands of years. It was brutal, but then again, no more brutal than what had gone on for thousands of years.

[Lim23S]

Then China had no choice. Mao?! or Chiang!? The revolution ideal by Sun Yat-sen had never been acheived and all lost on these two persons. Sad.

[twosquirrelly]

@Lim23S There's a reason why the Amer and French revolutions had such different outcomes.

America was able to start from a clean slate, while France had to deal with an Aristocracy that had very deep roots. The French rebels knew that they had to ruthlessly erase the Aristocracy/Church.

Of course they were undermined and the Monarchy was restored a few years later

Mao was in the same position He knew history and he did what he had to do because

Aristocracies are equally ruthless.

Sad indeed.

[devilcruiser]

@LGHHJHH their should be a blood revolution to realize that, i agree revolution is the answer that in the future, it will be brighter rather than a dry colony own by other imperialist. respect from philippines

[Tahmus]

@Peter and Victor. Not only does available evidence from Chinese and neutral sources show that the figures put out by anti-communists on famine prove that it's demographically impossible that so many died, but it's also proven that life expectancy increased by 1.5 years per calendar year (to 65 by the seventies), that maternal death dropped, and that food production increased by 169.6%. Even many conservatives would admit that the revolution was the most progressive event for China.

[basisrecheneinheit]

0:30 *sigh*

[Allan050372]

LONG LIVE KMT DOWN PLA

[108Dax]

when will the human race gain some humanity? the executions are animal-like. total bs. wish there was instant justice on the planet. humans would be scared into being more human.

[tojtaug]

The New china or PDRC is for all chinese ethnics,the china republic is only for the Han chinese. God blees the new china

[Frequent2001]

@tojtaug go tell that to the Uyghur people and other ethnics people who are being victims of chinese policy of genocide in the name of territory expansion.

[VictorLepanto]

@something9313: That is an exceedingly vague term. You said that has Chiang defeated Mao, the situation would have been the "same." This is an absurd moral equivolence. If only the U.S. HAD vigorously supported Chiang in the '40s! China would have matched Japan for growth in the 50 & 60s. We'd probably have collonies on Mars now so far beyond our current economic level we'd be today.

[ironmantis25]

is it accurate to say that chaing is a fascist

[Allan050372]

mao it's a evil because he responsible for abortion child one policy

[mmclinkers]

@Allan050372

Mao wasn't responsible for the one child policy. That policy was under Deng. Mao believed in power in numbers.

[kingmafi6699]

@Allan050372

No quite the opposite.

He opposed any such policies because he thought it would kill the Chinese people without even a shot being fired.

It was actually Kissinger and the other globalists who suggested China take measures to curb population growth.

Deng implemented it.

[DaRkLORDnUb]

@Allan050372 well yeah but have you ever been to china, people are surrounding the streets 24/7

[taikogi]

CHIANG WILL GO DOWN HISTORY AS A CHINESE TRAITOR.......ASIA CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE CHRISTIAN LEADERS.....WHEN THE MJORITY OF THE PEOPLE DOESN'T SHARE THOSE ALIEN BELIEFS!

[danpt2000]

@taikogi: I agree that Christianity is too dogmatic. I prefer Daoist and Buddhist virtues.

[taikogi]

CHIANG WILL GO DOWN HISTORY AS A CHINESE TRAITOR.......

[1Mafioso4]

LONG LIVE THE PEOPLE'S REVOLUTION!!!!

[Sasuk3xxx]

why are the interviewing nationalist people about the communists?

[Pigeonzbomb12]

@Sasuk3xxx Well, I guess they wanted to hear both sides of the story.

[ikkoikki]

@Sasuk3xxx Why not? Should Jews not talk of Nazism? or Catholics or Protestants? et al ad infinitum

[VictorLepanto]

It is a great tragedy that Chiang didn't succeed in totally purging the Communists. If Mao's fanatic cultist hadn't exterminated so many millions of Chinese, China would be a much happier place today. I wonder how any reasonable person can deny that the coming of Communism to China is greatest disaster to ever befall China. Mao was just another agent of imperialism, Soviet imperialism.

[kay0477]

@VictorLepanto However Chiang was a man of great ambition and he was in it for his own self interests. He didnt care about the people; he only cared about how the people regarded him. He did not appeal to the masses as Mao did. Chiang only wanted to help those who would help him. He was so drawn by the fight against the Communists that he completely disregarded his own people and the invading Japanese. I don't think China would have done much better with Chiang in power.

[VictorLepanto]

@kay0477: Could you honestly imagine Chiang organising fanatically driven disasters like The Great Leap forward (socializing scheme of the 50s which caused the greatest death under Mao) or the more notorious Cultural Revolution? Chiang was simply a gangster, & as such he was far preferable as leader. He would have been content w/ mere venal self indulgence, not idealistic bloody absurdities. When did Mao ever appeal to the Chinese People, he shot his way to power.

[kay0477]

@VictorLepanto @VictorLepanto Yes i actually can. Chiang was a man who did everything to get what he wanted. However, he was disorganized and indecisive.Tthey had to kidnap him in order to make him fight against Japan. With all the curruption in his government, no one could trust it. People were stealing from their own country. At least under Mao the peasants had a chance for a better future, while under Chiang all he cared about were the upper and middle class. Mao CARED for his country.

[danpt2000]

@VictorLepanto: do you realize that even in Modern day USA, 2 Million Americans die annually of heart disease, cancer, work accidents, etc etc... This information is available to public. So during a 10 year period, an average of 20 Million Americans died. Did the US gov't exterminated these 20 Million people?? As they Say, "The Devil is in the Details". Making sweeping unsubstantiated statements does not make you look smart.

[VictorLepanto]

@danpt2000: It is strange how their was such a sudden out break of hearth disease after Mao took over. 100% of all American's alive today will eventually die. That doesn't mean someone killed them. Mao MURDERED all these people. They'd died in GULAG type slave labor concentration camps. They died by being murdered out right by security forces. They starved to death in communist type famines. Wake up man! Most people estimante Mao murdered about 40 million people.

[PaterTenebrarum1]

@danpt2000 Yes, let's minimize Mao's crimes, that makes sense. I will never understand how people could ever fall for this crap. Have you been in a communist country while the communists were still in power? These countries were PRISONS, no they were WORSE than prisons. Besides the fact that socialism is unworkable as an economic system due to the calculation problem, its imposition is only possible by force and coercion - it will always end up being tyrrannical.

[WOWTrueSkyWOW]

@PaterTenebrarum1 America owes Communist China Trillions of dollars and has trouble paying them all right now. You tell me who got a problem?

[PaterTenebrarum1]

@WOWTrueSkyWOW

But what has THAT to do with my comment? I didn't say anywhere that I thought that the large foreign debt of the US is unproblematic. I merely commented on the fact that people are trying to minimize the crimes of communism. China is today no longer a communist country, even though it still has an autocratic government. But it is a far cry from the China of Mao, a huge improvement. Today there is a large degree of economic freedom, a fact I strongly approve of.

[Pigeonzbomb12]

@kay0477 Although Chiang was corrupt and quite tyrannical, I have to say Chiang was right in his decision to not engage the Japanese directly. At that time, the Germans were helping the Nationalists train their armies and they were fairly weak. It would be a waste of talented men if Chiang threw away all his new divisions. But it seems Chiang was doomed from the start. Either way, Chiang would have been defeated by either the Japanese or the Communists.

[Pigeonzbomb12]

@VictorLepanto If Chiang was still in power it would be the same, although the US would not take much notice of it. That's really the only difference. (The US tends to favor non-communists governments, even when they are corrupt.)

[VictorLepanto]

@Pigeonzbomb12: Do you have any idea of the extent of the horror that was perpetrated on China by Mao? In WWII, it is beleived about 50 million people died, in total. W/in China alone, & in the peacefull 50s & 60s; about 70 million people were exterminated. Most of the during the 50s. Only the insane communist ideology could have inspired this level of brutality. Chiang would never even have thought of anything like this.

[danpt2000]

@VictorLepanto: "W/in China alone, & in the peacefull 50s & 60s; about 70 million people were exterminated. Most of the during the 50s.." - You need to provide reliable sources for such claims or else you're just repeating propaganda by others. I'm not saying I dont believe people were persecuted during Great Leapr Fwd and Cultural Rev, but there were other factors involved and the number of people dead you post are questionable. I seriously doubt Chinese Communist Party shot/killed 70 Million.

[8000jk]

cant believe they showed live excecutios in this vid

[Pigeonzbomb12]

Knocking down Buddhist statues is going too far...

[goodluckpeace44]

you hear that woman was very intelligent. Keeping values but taking western technology.

[goodluckpeace44]

if you get Education in America in thesedays you will be talking Dude Dude yo yo.

pity how cultures collapse and their values demolished

[avalsonline]

uh, no, that is how uneducated airheads sound. give american education some credit

[Maomii]

ty!!

[CookingAmmi]

happy national chinese day

[YukiIsoya08]

致谢!