Saiga 12, Molot Vepr 12 vs. Alfa GTV 2.0

[MrMariokc]

my dream is make a saiga 12 full auto, put into ur ass and rock and roll an rpg it's enough too ...

[MaxroundsCOM]

@MrMariokc Alfa fan?! (:

[alfa2007]

I have been trying to choose the right words to comment, but I give up.

Probably you don´t even know how to read!

My respect stands with the Alfa of course.

[MaxroundsCOM]

@alfa2007 Try it.

[ruizitu]

This is the most stupid thing I've ever seen

[MaxroundsCOM]

@ruizitu Promotional video. Deal with it!

[mdio]

WOW! You are really strong!!!

[MiddeAusHesse11]

Song?

[jurgenmg42]

It seems to me the Alpha was ill with an allergy to bullets. It all has become covered by a rash.

[2engjnr2]

You killed an Alfa! Sacriledge!

[MaxroundsCOM]

@2engjnr2 Alfa deserves to die... Bad luck for Alfa....

[riverrutt]

where did u get that muzzle break

[MaxroundsCOM]

@riverrutt It's our product. You can see last evolution of muzzlebrake in our eShop. And it works!

[bbbcomrade]

I want to see this video with 3 more option 30 round drum fully auto and frag-12 rounds

:D

[MaxroundsCOM]

@bbbcomrade PowerMag is enough for this. :) We are no allowed to use fully auto Saigas/Molots.

[hoovco]

Who makes that muzzle break?

[MaxroundsCOM]

@hoovco It is muzzlebrake designed and produced by Maxrounds. Visit our eShop.

[hoovco]

@MaxroundsCOM A little rich for my tastes the fellas ... I only paid 450 US for my gun. At the current exchange rate that muzzle break is around 200 US. For the price of your drum mag, I could probably find another S12 on gunbroker ... no thanks.

[MaxroundsCOM]

@hoovco Our products're used across Europe by top shooters... I guess it's worth it. But it's always your choice so it's up to you...

[hoovco]

@MaxroundsCOM I really like that muzzle break though ... that thing is awesome. Do you do a LE/ Military discount? Didn't mean to sound negative in that previous post, now that I read it again, it sounds that way.

[MaxroundsCOM]

@hoovco No problem man. ;) We discuss about. Discounts are for the sets - contact me at info(at)maxrounds(dot)com. BR DVC M. Synek

[demooon87]

Транспортёр /каравэла на заднем плане больше бы подошла

[MaxroundsCOM]

@demooon87 Альфа суматоха одним словом смола...

[alfaholic78]

@demooon87 или УАЗ Патриот...

[GeorgeEliot197]

well, I'm no crime scene investigator, but i think a firearm may have been discharged at this car.

[ysflightman]

Nooo. Not the Alfa Romeo.

[MaxroundsCOM]

@ysflightman Sorry man - bad luck for Alfa...

[Banzai96]

@MaxroundsCOM

Realy bad luck !!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

[TBX156]

Жывотные :-(

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[MaxroundsCOM]

@Konsolenrocker08 This alfa - full of holes? :)

[Konsolenrocker08]

@MaxroundsCOM

ohhhh yeah, the holes have caracter

[MaxroundsCOM]

@Konsolenrocker08 You're right! ;)

[Konsolenrocker08]

@MaxroundsCOM

:D oh yeah :D

[djsyro]

use a other car! Idiot!

[ferdinand12390]

hmmm should have shot chinese cars u.u anyway the gtv aint exactly a pretty car, after that lead spray should be looking better

[Gangster88232]

Buck do not go througt cars door, use S BAll.

[MaxroundsCOM]

@Gangster88232 Used every type of shotgun ammunition. Birdshots, buckshots, slugs... See all videos.

[bman101298]

NO not the Romeo!!!!! How do you afford to shoot up cars?

[MaxroundsCOM]

@bman101298 'cause we can?

[Gangster88232]

@bman101298 why not?

[ElT0rOL0cO]

He should shot up that shitty ass van behind him instead lmao

[kaizy1]

dumbest thing i've ever seen. is that what you do for fun?

[AmericanMuscleCarSS]

I wish I had enough money to buy a car and just shoot it up with a badass gun, haha.

[xnedja]

Bolje da si prodao taj auto negde u rusiju pa za te pare kupio jos jednu Saiga 12. ...

[GT4604]

I love this

[Tinyfuck951]

I want one!!!!

[y2jshit]

should of sold it to me lol

[moejay04]

can i have one?

[KraljLazar]

OMG, not the Alfa GTV 2.0 TB V6...

But looks kinda frun... :P

[MaxroundsCOM]

@KraljLazar Bad luck for Alfa. Maybe BMW or Cooper will die next time... ;) And it was fun! Hell yeah!

[chewser117]

You should try to trade the car in at a dealership. I'd love to see the salesman's expression.

[buffalobills91]

do you guys make a muzzle brake like that for the threaded end saiga12 barrels? I see the bolt on one on the website... and do you ship to the US?? I see 150 euros for the brake... so like 200US? ouch.. but its pretty

[MaxroundsCOM]

@buffalobills91 Yes, it's made for threaded saiga12/Molot Vepr barrels and and by the way - it works... ;)

We ship worldwide so to the US too.

[dbmccart]

@MaxroundsCOM What buttstock is that?.

[MaxroundsCOM]

@dbmccart Olde version. Normal plastic stock and leather girdle. It was one evolution of customized stock.

[buffalobills91]

To whoever mentioned class 3... I agree that would be nice to see too but there are plenty of Auto s12 vids and aa12 vids.... I liked seeing what it can do in a configuration that I can own...I love that muzzle brake...looks like it takes her down to almost no recoil.

nice video--nice weapon.

[MaxroundsCOM]

2buffalobills91:

thx4support... There is a small recoil... But depends always on shooter. If you want it visit eShop and buy it. We ship worldwide.

[p79wub]

What the fuck is this

[buffalobills91]

I just shot one for the first time last week. What a weapon. Get em before somebody thinks they are to evil.

[dareta]

OMG that was a killing time...

[brettcvale]

Great, more guns to kill even more people along with AIDS and natural disasters. Fuckers.

[MaxroundsCOM]

@brettcvale Guns and firearms are just a nice sofhisticated things. Guns DO NOT kill(or harm) people. People kill people...

[buffalobills91]

yeah... and 2x4s, rocks, obesity, drunk drivers and drug ODs... after you get rid of those...then lets take about disarmament.

[Gangster88232]

@brettcvale Cars kill more peoples than all weapons.... For example....

[MeisterHydron]

what is the song?

[ECTBWHO]

: )

[spermyzskeet]

pretty sweet... but would have been better with a automatic saiga 12.

[obeyance]

@spermyzskeet

Yeah i was thinking the same thing... Actually to be more accurate in my statement i was thining...

"Hm, wonder why they didnt get a Class 3 holder to bring his out for this event."

Because thats all it would have taken to get a full auto... I give you a B+ for the video. Would have been A+ if you would have had the intellect to invite a class 3 holder.

[MaxroundsCOM]

@spermyzskeet We would like to but we didn't have one.

[borgomeduna]

The Alfa didn't deserve it...

[shotfirer1972]

alfas do suck

[Photolaird]

Absolutely...the drum mags are rediculously overpriced. You can buy five or six thirty-rounders for he price of one of these things. Too bad, they'd sell a lot more otherwise.

[MaxroundsCOM]

It's about angle of view...

Materials, technology, warranties, care about customers, etc...

You buy FullPackage and that's all for IPSC Shotgun Open competitions. Mag survives gun not.

[Photolaird]

Okay, I tried being nice.

Guys, wait for the Chinese version for $95 due out September 2010.

How can you justify a product which is FAR from trouble-free being worth the high price you demand when another using THE SAME MATERIALS (IMPORTED NONETHELESS) will be producing at a fraction of the cost?

I used your drum mag in my Saiga at full auto. It sucked, while my 30 rounders have NEVER had an issue whatsoever.

When I wrote you last April you ignored me like you do every complaint!

[MaxroundsCOM]

I've looked in mailbox and didn't find your mail.

Contact me please at info and technical support.

And we find way how to correct this misunderstanding.

[Photolaird]

Predictably convenient...

After a year you're giving a crap? When you miraculously find my email or have another attack of good conscience, you can send me my money back. Otherwise I have said my piece and I'll leave it at that.

[MaxroundsCOM]

About last april - there were changes in customer support. It could be made by this. Be so kind and write to support.

[lanternlad3]

That's my dad's shootin' car. Just two more payments and it's ours...

[Pagansniper]

I love my Saiga 12. The only problem with it is finding mag pouches that can fit the 10 rd. magazines.

[saigaholic]

2all try Ace Case Manufacturing -  Gun Accessories - Magazine Pouch - Saiga 4 Pack

[Photolaird]

Yes, Ace makes a real nice pouch! I own one and like the Saiga, I love it. You might also look at the military surplus sites? I found two very nice used Specnaz pouches reasonably cheap. Also, if you know someone who can run a sewing machine, you can have it made for a couple of bucks.

[klara7531]

muehehehe

[J0Gu7]

big bulky gun there. cool for the range and home

[MaxroundsCOM]

@J0Gu7 4everything... ;)

[shortexistence]

buying mine in a couple of days. too bad the drums you guys sell are so expensive they look sick

[MaxroundsCOM]

@shortexistence If you have problem with our products contact our techsupport - M. Synek... We will help you!

[Milkmadness]

Nice gun, nice car, nice set up for a fun day.

[iComment17]

dud3 not and alfa! :D

[chewist32]

Did the muzzle brake come with the gun?

[MaxroundsCOM]

No, we don't sell guns. We make fine equipment for russian firearms... ;)

[MaxroundsCOM]

Try it in english next time... What is the problem? You are in pain 'cause we destroy Alfa?

Funny... Damaged BMW, Mercedes are in many films... Try to find destroyed Alfas...

[Sebalfista]

yes i was a little bit afraid for destroing alfa :) sorry. next time destroy audi :):)

[MaxroundsCOM]

OK... ;)

[guntig]

Sei solo uno scemo di merda!!

[MaxroundsCOM]

Try it in english... :)

[dills2403]

thats kool but id like to see it with a 7.62x39

[MaxroundsCOM]

Gimme another car and we can try it... ;)

[dennis078]

how can you do this to an Alfa? Take a Dacia next time!

[MaxroundsCOM]

'cause we can?

[redmule02]

thats awesome but sad you kick the crap out that alfa rameo just to drive away in a van.....hmmm

[szormoksegg]

hmm som short dick man angry

[koukku23]

dead

[dblakedixon]

well i bet that shoulder sure was purple

[saigaholic]

:D Do you know combination of muzzlebrake with limbsaver? Saiga is kitty with that... ;) BTW most important thing - HOLD'em TIGHT!!!

[TJB63]

I don't get it, why destroy a fairly new car?

Anyone sitting inside the car, would have been relatively safe as the inside camera shows no penetration whatsoever, other than the glass window.

And oh yea, the Music SUCKED!

[saigaholic]

Why destroy '' fairly '' new car? 'Cause they can and want to? ;)

[chevlumina]

those "speed holes" he's adding to the car should help it to go faster

[Pepsifx357]

Couldn't you destroy a junk car just as easily? I would like to know what kind of muzzle brake he was using.

[saigaholic]

Their own. Designed by them.....

[TheRisely]

what a raging muppet he should turn around and shoot the other heap of shit WANKER

[SymAmineC8H11N]

ships from czech to usa, ja??

[saigaholic]

Worldwide... ;)

[SymAmineC8H11N]

Děkuji, dankeschoen, thankyou...

[alfamad]

Fucking rednecks, got nothing better to do than destroy perfectly good cars and shag their sisters!

[cyprisjynx]

actually it was your car, and your sister, so whats the problem?

[hemiram08]

nice video but im curious about the furniture on it like that brake and the scope

[zheka1780]

that was a nice car, damit

[bagels666]

that looks fun

[Designedbythewind]

Mettetevelo su per il culo il mitragliatore e poi fate fuoco!Imbecilli!

[saigaholic]

Hey guys, tell me who of you don't want to shoot!!! :D I want a lot!!!

Saiga rocks!

[jarod445]

i dont know which is sadder, the fact that i dont have a saiga 12, or the fact that you shot up a nice car. oh well, fun to watch!

[Xonegod]

Its absolutely sadder that you DO NOT have a Saiga 12. Specially since they are ever so affordable, not to mention the plethora of uses they posses.

Get on it. Most respectable gun shows have a few of them, almost brand new. ^_^

Expect to pay, $450-$1500 depending set-up/condition.

..X..

[80smusicboy]

Some die, others just become retarded...

[mdio]

When your "gun" its too little and does not work, you must use another type of gun...

WOW!! you look powerfull with that gun... congratulations!!!

[Shark00n1337]

You fucking idiots.... What a waste of an Alfa Romeo.

[BigUriel]

Such a waste of a great car...why not shoot that pos van in the back instead?

[NWA90s]

isnt the saiga firing 20 gauge, 12 would make bigger holes, like the usas 12 i fired

[dbmccart]

No they are firing spread shot, and i highly doubt you fired a USAS 12 living in Norway.

[NWA90s]

lol if you think i live there, lol, i made my acc in 2secs, i aint givin any truth to youtube, lmao

[dbmccart]

I'd like to further state that a USAS-12 will run you about $4000. Even in Saiga 12k configuration a Saiga will run you about $1600. Now if you would like to take this further, find a someone who will sponser a competition. Since you claim the USAS-12 is superior the price will be set at $4000 a piece. You are able to buy after market parts for the gun but cannot go over 4k total price. Now I promise you the Saiga will be far superior and i'll spend less then $1,500.

[saigaholic]

There is no slug ammo, that's a pity... ;)

M16 chambered in .410 is boring... :D

[ddmo2]

i love that muzzle break...

[NWA90s]

lol saiga looks like ak47, usas looks like m16, ak and m16 are enemies, maybe we could start a war between saiga and usas?

[dbmccart]

Nah USAS is way to heavy and unreliable to compare to the Saiga 12.

[NWA90s]

well saiga dont got the power, plus the low recoil of usas makes it a monster, and it shoots alot faster then saiga 12 or 20, and is more accurate, but it it is much heavy then saiga

[dbmccart]

Appearently we're talking about different guns or you dont know what the hell your talking about. The USAS is a fucking brick with a 40 meter effective range. The Saiga 12 has the highest Rate of Fire of any shotgun. The gun practically aims itself, its incredibly hard to miss with the Saiga 12 and I know you can easily get over 100 yards out of a Saiga, probably more. it fires up to 3"Magnum Slugs so oh yeah its got the power, the speed, and the reliability. I happen to own one, so i know.

[NWA90s]

lol maybe usas jams alot, and is heavy, but its fire rate, recoil, and the power is amazing good, its a classic, and is the best shotgun right after aa12 or spas 15

[NWA90s]

and yes, dont get angry, atleast 1million who says usas is better than saiga, and 1 million who says saiga is better, people got diff opinions

[dbmccart]

Dude your clearly a guy who doesnt know what the hell he is talking about.. The USAS has twice the weight of the Saiga 12,is not as reliable as the Saiga 12, and does not have the effective range of the Saiga 12. It's really funny how you say there's a million people supporting both sides when there's not been any where near a million made of either gun. Which means the majority of those people are bullshiters who don't know what the fuck they are talking about and your one of them.

[NWA90s]

lol i dont care of that bullshit which is accurate, which is heavy, which is best. i think usas12 the best shotgun, and usas12 is made for killing people, and it have done it. its banned know and easy to tell why there are 3 vids of it

[dbmccart]

You don't care about accuracy, weight, or reliability. Oh go the fuck back to Call of Duty. You just listed the most important things about a gun and seem to not care. Accuracy is always supreme over rate of fire, and in this care Saiga 12 is superior in both. Sure you can get USAS in full auto but you can get the same option on a Saiga 12. I have a cheap alternative for you, get a bag of bricks. Heavy like the USAS and if you are strong and have a good pitching arm you might get equal range.

[NWA90s]

yea yea, thats your fucking opinion, well usas12 is better than saiga, but aa12 is way better

[dbmccart]

See that's how ignorant you are. The Saiga 12 surpasses the AA-12. What the AA-12 did was create a recoiless full auto shotgun. Not the fastest most powerful shotgun ever made. The Saiga 12 is all around the best shotgun. It possesses Accuracy, Speed, Reliability, and the Range isn't all that bad either. I'd give the Saiga 12 a max effective range of 200 yards.

[NWA90s]

facking assholesaiga is old now, there are tons of shotguns better than it, spas 15, usas12, protecta, aa12, jackhammer

[dbmccart]

Your a fucking moron most of those guns are older then the Saiga 12. Yes even the AA-12. They recently gave the AA-12 a new coat of wax, but it was still developed back in 1972. Pancor jackhammer never made it past prototype stage. Street Sweepers just such. Spas-15 is the worlds most expensive piece of plastic shit. The USAS-12 shares all the dislikable features of the M-16 with non of the perks and to from what i've seen is unable to cycle 3" magnums.

[NWA90s]

lol, ill leave you alone, your a fanboy

[dbmccart]

Hey im willing to prove my gun is superior, and I actually own the firearm i'm supporting. Obvoiously your not though. So you can either prove it or piss off.

[NWA90s]

lol, usas12 is banned i had to give it back, so i have owned it

[dbmccart]

Lol your so full of shit. If you had ever owned it, then you wouldn't have to give it back. It's called a Grandfather Clause. If Obama reissued the assault ban then they couldnt take my Saiga 12 because I purchased to before it was illegal. You've never owned one and I would be surprised if you've even seen one in real life. I'll give you the benefit of waving the purchase of a class 3 license from the total cost of the gun.

[dbmccart]

Furthermore im getting second opinions from proffesionals to prove this once and for all. I want to ask you something, have you ever fired a Saiga 12?

[dbmccart]

I got a second opinion about the USAS-12 he did mention something about having to turn his USAS-12 in, but he said "back then the gun cost $800 and was not as handy,fast shooting or reliable as my Saiga". There's you an opinion from someone who has owned both. I've shot both but only owned the Saiga 12, so this coming from someone who has actually owned both. If this isn't enough I have a couple of more emails out and ill get you more opinions.

[NWA90s]

i have fire saiga, ans usas12 usas12 is way faster and got for power, with very small recoil

[dbmccart]

I apologize but somewhere here you are lying. Either you've never fired a Saiga, you've never fired a USAS or you've never fired either.Because everything you just said about the USAS-12 was completely inaccurate. You keep treating this like an opinionate coversation. So does a bolt action rifle shoot faster then a Semi auto? Even if you said yes the facts prove that the Semi Auto is faster. Your doing the same thing for this gun.

[dbmccart]

The Saiga 12 and the USAS 12 both fire 12 gauge shells dumbshit. The USAS I fired would not cycle 3" Magnum Slugs therefore it cannot be more powerful then a Saiga 12.

[NWA90s]

lol, lmao tell me which was the first fully auto shotgun

[NWA90s]

usas12 was made ca.20 years before saiga, it was maybe the first full auto shotgun, of course it would have some problems, but comom it kicks saiga

[dbmccart]

pfft ur mistaken the USAS-12 was didn't hit production until early 90s. The AA-12 was the first full auto shotgun.developed in 1972, and that MPS version of the AA-12 was developed in 2005.

[dbmccart]

It really depends on what you want, the USAS can do 400 Round per Minute at max though im thinking more like 300. The Saiga 12 your looking at 800-900 Rounds per minute. Thats not a bit exagerated either, Tony Rumore confirmed his Saiga 12 could fire 900 RPM. He's a business member of Tromix which if you get a Saiga 12 you will become very firmiliar with. Your USAS-12 isn't looking so tough now is it.

[dbmccart]

Also the USAS-12 will only cycle high grade 2 3/4 shells which means theres a chance you probably can't get them at a Wal Mart. Saiga will cycle anything up to a 3" Magnum

[dbmccart]

Really dude you have no fucking clue how unreliable a USAS is. It's like comparing an AK-47 to an M-16 except in this case the Saiga 12 is incredibly accurate. If the AK-47 was as accurate as the M-16 there would not be an arguement on the superior gun, and yet here we are having that agruement anyways.

[saigaholic]

I love my saiga equipped with this drum! :)

I'm saigaholic... :D :D :D

[NWA90s]

usas 12 is better

[SymAmineC8H11N]

no, not @ all. you could maybe say that the aa12 prototype is better, but then again its a prototype & there's no prints availible online for replication. plus, the saiga 12 has been around a lot longer & its design is superior.

[alyz69]

awesome bro awesome

[dleshka009]

i love russia

[SymAmineC8H11N]

hate russia, love their munitions

[0zzybloke]

what a fitting punishment for a shitty car only early alfas are any good anything after the 80s is best for shooting the shit out of