Joe Scarborough on Rand Paul and Civil Rights

[1210catman]

ok let's dumb it down a bit or put both on equal ground.. the black man is the moral high ground, lets make him Italian if a business owner doesnt want to serve Italians he as a private property owner has that right, right now they are holding up a promotion for Italan american firefighter in Boston who had the highest score and qualifications to give to a black man,thats okay though,I enjoy smoke free bars but believe that govt. should not force customers to not smoke in them. private property

[MiraculousJohnson]

@PikSokolit . Commie scum? The Cold War is over, loser. And you can't use "left wing" and "neocon" in the same sentence. Ignorant fucking douchebag.

[printo69]

@MiraculousJohnson Why cant you use the 2 terms in the same sentence? Neoconservatives are not really conservatives. They do not believe in limited government at all. They are not Goldwater conservatives by any stretch of the imagination. They believe in big government. Typically those in the left wing also want big government.

[brandys78]

Rand Paul, you are putting people of color with people who carry guns in the same example. Which one can hurt you in a restaurant that people come to eat at?

[DanielDamascusKimery]

@brandys78 Both. lol

[schlummieleinchen]

Rand Paul didn't take long to put his closet-big(ot) foot in his mouth. He has no chance in hell to win a popular vote on a hooded sheets platform.

[spartancaptain]

@schlummieleinchen hahaha, good call buddy

[xoDrewox]

I live in kentucky and have been for the last 21 years of my life.I was adopted by my grandparents because my biological mother is borde-line retarded and my biological father ran out.My grandfather has alzheimers and grandmother is very ill and that is why I supported health care reform and was embarrassed when mitch mcconnell did not vote for it.Now I am worried about these "tea partiers" because they are the next generation of white supremists.I hope jack conway gets elected.

[DillonDee1]

It's now disclosed that White Supremacist Groups are funding his campaign.

The GOP needs to get rid of this nutcase racist.

[reefpirate]

@DillonDee1 Big Oil and Wall Street supported Obama. Does that make him a Big Oil crony or make him soft on Wall Street investment banks? Oh wait, you might have a point... Except in the case of Rand Paul, there is no evidence to support him being racist, whereas there's plenty of evidence to support the fact that Obama is in bed with big business. I suppose it's the character of the candidate that matters, not whoever may choose to support them financially.

[66605]

Man, Is Joe stupid or what? How can Scarboro talk about loving small government if he wants the Feds interfering in the decisions of private business? What doesn't he understand about private property? This is politically correct nonsense. You're a wimp Joe!

[aidanfox2022]

rand paul will win the seat... witness the rise of libertarianism! be responsible fgor yourself and get government out of your life.. be a creator not a second-hander

read ayn rand

[SunnyKid975]

thanks Rand for making your discrimination public now. I just make a large donation to the Jack Conway campaign in Kentucky. If you are going to discriminate against people privately, you are more than likely going to discriminate against the people financially.

[diamondman007]

The real battle is now coming: "Collectivism vs. Individualism". The collectivists in the controlled mass media i.e., socialists-communists, are in love with big govt. and want govt. to grant ALL rights to people.

This is the true battle for the heart of our nation.

Freedom is an absolute. You are either free or you aren't. Rand Paul is for individual freedom and supports our Individualist Republic.

[ab1tchslap]

Retracting his statement would be a huge mistake. One of the reasons people like Rand Paul is because they know where he stands and that he won't lie about his beliefs to gain support. If he caves in he'll be seen as just another politician who will say whatever needs to be said regardless of what he really thinks. He's right anyway. Even if a business did decide to discriminate they would fail because very few people would continue to purchase thier product.

[Mashedtaders]

How can Rand Paul not recover in a state like Kentucky? Are these people mentally retarded?

[RebelThoughts]

Rand Paul is toast!

[VexZee]

Rand is not going to retract nothing because he said nothing wrong.

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This is a distraction, a waste of time and a non-issue.

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It's his enemies trying to score political points. They're scratching the bottom of the barrel to make Rand Paul look like a bad guy. It's not working.

[Trollmaster21]

That light skinned brother makes Obama look like Wesley Snipes.

[PrezAlex]

@Trollmaster21 you stole that from paul mooney

[Trollmaster21]

@PrezAlex No, he stole it from me. I said it first.

That guy is so light skinned that they need a 2nd token black guy on whatever show he appears on.

[principles101]

Mainstream news media already starting on our good Dr. Rand Paul. The order has been put out to mainstream media idiots. Rand Paul is right. All he is saying is, "Do you want the government telling you how to run your business?" If the government can delegate here, they can delegate everywhere! Give an inch and they'll take the mile too and more.

[sdmitch16]

In the 50's a bar owner could put up a whites only or colored sign, right? Isn't Rand Paul asking for them to have the same option?

[MayonR]

Rand Paul is against the ever reaching growing monster of government. He is not against civil rights but against the government making decisions that should be left privately. The private sector is capable of handling these positions. I beg that even Martin Luther King Jr. would be in agreement on such issues. I'm sure with little study I could dig up some excerpts to support this. This picture that these are extreme ideas is silly.

[tmcgeo39]

MSNBC is such a joke.  Liberals will always defend the right for free choice and speech as long as they agree with it

[armyveteran101st]

I just don't see how under the current circumstances anyone could portray the private sector as victims, and attempt to defend their "right" to operate outside acceptable norms of civilized society for the sake of the all mighty dollar. Paul's mindset is nothing short of disastrous and toxic for this country. His father was a space cadet and reasonably harmless, but this man is more reactionary and crazier. I hope his radicalism will lead to downfall fro him.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@armyveteran101st

There are people in the private sectors that are victims what are you talking about? Wall street is not even close to being the only part of the private sector. Also, you show have no clue about what he is talking about. He is not arguing it is profitable to be racist, in fact quite the opposite. He is basing it off freedom of association and private property which is part of US style libertarianism.

[armyveteran101st]

@IndividualAutonomy That may be so, but historically speaking, big business and the corporate lobby have always been on top, and if they incur in losses while assuming the risk that adherence to modern capitalism entails, so be it. Rand Paul is embracing a skewed and twisted view of the Constitution, made that way to favor and advance the interests of the wealthy and big business, nothing more, nothing less. Libertarianism is nothing more than a fool's errand and a utopic dream for anarchists.

[Axekick11]

@armyveteran101st Well said and I am certain Rand Paul will deflate more quickly than anyone in recent political history. However the Right and Tea Party are so desperate for leadership they very well may keep him a poster boy for some time. He will never gain national appeal and the more he talks the deeper the shit gets.

Lastly, thank you for your military service to our country.

[armyveteran101st]

@Axekick11 You are most welcome, and I agree with you. I think the longer republicans and teabaggers put their trust in loonies like Rand Paul and Sarah Palin, the faster they approach towards political irrelevancy and widespread rejection. Thank you for the kind words!

[reefpirate]

@armyveteran101st What about strip clubs? Or massage parlors in Vegas? These operate outside the 'norms' you speak of. Medicinal marijuana dispensaries in certain states also operate outside this 'norm' you speak of. I'd rather not have the federal government determine what my 'norm' is, and the same goes for every other person. Frankly, I think individuals in society are strong enough to stand up for their own norms. Would you be racist if the government didn't legislate you otherwise?

[armyveteran101st]

@reefpirate The norms I speak of have to do with civilized society, not with anarchy. Strip clubs and massage parlors are regulated, and so are dispensaries, because they can't be allowed to operate without any kind of oversight. The fact is, if you want to live in civilized society, you have to abide by its commonly agreed-to regulations. If you don't, find yourself a cave in the wilderness and go live in it, see how long you last. Civilized society and gov't are not the same thing necessarily.

[WvMISKAvW]

I can't believe this kind of crap continues in the 21st century.

[atomicdogg34]

dont quite understand what people are missing here, dr. paul made it perfectly clear he is against racism, the question is really about private property and liberty

if you are for liberty you then cant try and bar people from using it, hes personally against segregated lunch counters, doesnt mean he has to the right to tell people how to run their own business

this type of gotcha argument defeats itself if you actually put some thought into it

[TAz69x]

@atomicdogg34 Not so much, as pure capitalism is inherently self-destructive (especially if void of the FTC) in pursuit of profit over all other things.

There's countless minutia of regulation which seem specious but are paramount in a nation like the US where ~98% of all industry is private. Theoretically achieving a whites-only country is somewhat feasible.

Apart from the social consequences, regulations also keep (stil in private business) ie. benzene and lead out of toys and toothpastes.

[TAz69x]

@TAz69x I can argue it's a private business, and if people want to buy my lead-soaked products, that's up to them.

Bad business or not, it's my choice.

Some aspects of business (ie. income tax) are beyond the bounds of a decision made private-side.

[IndividualAutonomy]

I can't believe this is being made into such a big deal. For one he will never vote on this issue. Secondly, even though he is not for business segregation he is just saying they should be able to against his preference if we are to live in a free society with free association. Also, just for reference people discriminate every day, not just based on race but based on appearance, sex, wealth, and personality for friendship, sex, and business. Should we pass more legislation?

[repubtodem]

& I have the freedom of speech right to say Rand Paul and his tea bagger friends are racist scum no way around it. hey Rand so where was your party held after you won? Oh yes a private club hmm what is that clubs history with blacks hmmm racist scum!! just using my freedom of speech.

[wildcatbungalo]

What Mr. Paul fails to understand is that racism used to be allowed like he suggests - it didn't work. This lack of historical understanding is part and parcel of the Libertarian movement. The Libertarians are up on their historical facts, generally, but fail to understand and be able to adequately apply the lessons of history to the present. Further they think that they can simply discard any relevant information that interferes with their notion of a personal responsibility Utopia.

[GatorHighlights3]

@wildcatbungalo He may have a historical understanding...he just doesn't care. To Rand, if a private business can do whatever it wants, the system is working. The fact that people are being discriminated against is a non-issue at that point.

[spyletu]

@wildcatbungalo why don't you go back in time and outlaw every single thing you don't like since the beginning of mankind not just in the continents of north america, but everywhere around the world including banning some traditions of ancient chinese because they were inhumane? times are different. besides the issue of free speech and private property trumps the rest.. your argument is just hilarious. civil rights advance along with living standard.. it is YOUR failure to understand history

[wildcatbungalo]

@spyletu LMFAO - this reply is so cognitively dissonant that it's pointless to even reply. I will say this though, correlation is not causation: times are different because liberal progressives DID something about the injustices of the world and it would slide right back to how it used to be if it is allowed to be undone. Thanks for illustrating the Libertarian delusion.

[bdogduttyrock]

The major effect of the 1964 Civil Rights Acts WAS the elimination of discriminatory practices in private businesses. That guaranteed African Americans and all Americans, equally accesses to housing, public restaurants, hospitals and many other basic services. So he doesn't support institutional racism and believes in a bad business practice in private industry. But, he gives tacit support to private racism and discrimination for business owners.

That is morally reprehensible.

[tooltalk]

@bdogduttyrock : no, you can't abridge one's individual rights to achieve social equality - equality comes only when everyone's rights are respected. It's also absurd to say the Civil Rights Act eliminated the discrimination practice. Even now, there are cities and states where whites move out when blacks move in and it's not uncommon to see blacks clustered in one area, others in other areas. In another word, yes, you can coerce public behavior asnd pretend that you have now social equality.

[tooltalk]

@bdogduttyrock : but you can't legislate one's morality.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 by LBJ furthermore wasn't entirely motivated by liberals' true belief in equality. Remember LBJ more or less openly addressed black by n*. As senate leader, he voted against all anti-lynching, segregation laws by Eisenhower - who sent troops to to enforce desegreation in AK. To the contrary, it was liberals like LBJ who watered down the Civil Rights Act of 1957, a less intrusive bill that also would have

[tooltalk]

@bdogduttyrock : would have guaranteed the same kind of voting rights, desegregation, etc (supported by many conservatives). The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was also often used to quell anti-war sentiment among liberals and minorities as well. In fact, MLK was dismissed and criticized when he spoke out again the war in Vietnam by his own black community and liberal allies. My point here that it's not all that conclusive the CRA 1964

There is nothing morally reprehensible about opposing a law

[tooltalk]

@bdogduttyrock : essentially a political stepping-stone by delusional white liberal intellectuals to further their liberal agenda (warfare / welfare policies - let me just add that liberals welfare policies ended equally bad for blacks; two generations of broken black families, high black crime / teenage pregnancy rates) - while trampling on the constitution and individual rights.

[GatorHighlights3]

By the way, Rand's going to get smacked in the primaries. Conway should just make an ad showing Rand talking about wanting to end farmer subsidies in Kentucky. Run it a couple of times a day until November. That's about all he'd need.

[tooltalk]

@GatorHighlights3 : sorry, but that's a wishful thinking. By Nov, there would be another severe economic downturn and Obama's botched econ policy would become more obvious. This Civil Rights issue would be a mere brouahaha.

[GatorHighlights3]

@tooltalk Well Obama Why would that help Rand? If there's another severe economic down-turn Rand's policies to end government subsidies for farmers will be even more reason he'll get his ass whupped. But as it stands he'll get his ass whupped anyway.

[tooltalk]

@GatorHighlights3 : honey, that's b/c the follow-up crisis would be a huge Greek-style debt crisis - a result of the decades of the deficit spending + trillions of bailout and stimulus. In another word, it would become clear that it's the gov't mismanagement of fiscal policy at fault.

Futhermore, the majority of agricultural subsidies end up in corporations like Acher Daniels - that fact that Obama is already aligned with agri special interests won't help democrats a bit.

[GatorHighlights3]

@tooltalk I'm not well versed in how many Kentucky farmers know where subsidies end up but I expect they don't want them to be eliminated, so I think it's a viable talking point for anti-Paul ads. Either way, my original point stands: I don't see Paul beating Conway. Do you?

[OhioDemocrat]

Rand Paul is done as a candidate. Once a nutjob always a nutjob.

[Vertigo2903]

Here comes the MSM attacks of Rand Paul

They are scared stiff of any independent voices in Washington and will try to tear them limb from limb

[GatorHighlights3]

The issue with Rand's words is getting too complicated. He thinks private businesses should do as they wish. That's it. There's nothing that suggests rand thinks discriminatory practice is moral or just and as much as I like Rachel and Joe it seems like they keep going down that road. I would be inclined to believe Rand that he finds racism appalling. The bottom line is he thinks private businesses should get to decide who they serve. I don't agree, but we have to be clear on what Rand said.

[wontwice]

@GatorHighlights3 Yeah lets be clear: Rand Paul supports private businesses being racist. Wade through all this limited govt. cover, and you are left with this.

[GatorHighlights3]

@wontwice Well, he supports private businesses doing whatever they want. As I said, I certainly don't agree with that policy but I also don't believe Rand supports racism. I don't know him that well, though. I could be wrong.

[wildcatbungalo]

@GatorHighlights3 no he supports allowing racism.

[maidenman69]

@wontwice You don't understand libertarians. There is a difference between supporting racism and supporting the right of people to be racist. Liberals understand this difference very well when it comes to abortion, but for political reasons they pretend not to understand it in the case of certain provisions of the Civil Rights Act.

[reefpirate]

@wontwice He supports their RIGHT to be racist, he's not pro-racism. Same with the ACLU supporting the rights of neo-nazis to have racist parades. Apparently this country isn't ready for principled, subtle and philosophical discourse in politics.

[eatmorenachos]

@GatorHighlights3 ,

A restaurant deciding whom it will serve to based on race IS descriminatory. The question was a softball that he could've knocked out of the park "yes I am against 'whites only' restaurants."

[kissfan7]

Being black: it's like having a gun.