The Old Lady’s TORTOISE (Hinduism) and DRAGON (Taoism) are symbols for WAVE (energy), both are analog with MAGEN DAVID (Judaism). "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" is the metaphor, and also similar with allegory of rituals Thawaf circling around the Ka'ba and Sa’i oscillating along “the sinus” Marwah-Shafa during the Hajj pilgrimage (Abraham). YIN-YANG: energy-particle . CROSS (Christian) and SWASTIKA (Buddhism) are symbols for “Balance of Nature.”
@andrewh817 That's because it would benefit everybody instead of just the person they wish to get well. I believe most Christians would rather pray for the demise of people they hate, such as atheists like us.
Does God interfere with free will? If it were true that there is a God that truly is all-powerful, then of course he interferes! In that event, NOTHING can possibly happen without the will of God. How can you really think you have any free will?There's none leftover if God has all of it. How can any Christian not understand what ALL powerful means? If it were true, there would be no such thing as privacy, free will, or freedom. God would, by definition, be the ultimate tyrant!
@DandAinTac Want Biblical proof God makes people the way he wants and remove freewill? Read Romans 9:11-21. Tell every theist you know. Add Ephesians 1:3-5 & 11-12 and 2 Timothy 1:8-9 too.
@HybridD91 Well, I dusted off the old Bible my grandmother gave me when I was a little kid--I'm sure it's all on-line, but it gave me an excuse to dust off the Bible. I almost freaked out my wife when she saw me looking at it--"You're not going religious on me are you?" she asked in a panic. By the time I calmed her down, it was hard to focus on the vague obscure text of the Bible. Problem is, it can be interpreted in all sorts of ways, which helps believers to twist it all sorts of ways.
@DandAinTac They can't twist those verses around. Actually, I doubt most churches, if any, read those verses. It shows every thing wrong in the world, including Satan, is because of God, which is obvious with logic but logic doesn't work with these peopel.
Here is the reason Christians say they will pray for you Philippians 2:26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick. For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him/ and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.
What should I say to this woman's mother if I run into her....Life sucks and soon you will probably die, rot and be stuck in the ground and that will be the end of you. Don't feel bad, life has no purpose so what's the big deal, why not bite a bullet and end it now and save everybody the grief and hassle watching you waste away. Think of others and just kill yourself now." How would that work?
Well, I'm not sorry, and I don't pray for someone. I'd just say that it's terrible and move on. There no more thought required than that. Terrible things happen that you can't control. I don't feel grief over them. What do I say to a woman that was divorcing her husband and he commits suicide? I don't say he's in a better place, it's a waste of everyone's time and not honest. Don't diminish something terrible that way.
There's no gods or magic, but life doesn't suck. Is there an overriding purpose to human life? Probably not. But would it be better if our purpose was to endlessly praise and beg for favors from an all-powerful dictator in space, on penalty of torture? Not really. The end of life can be a time of great closure both for the dying and for their family and friends. How we die matters - people in my family have had all kinds, and I've seen how differently they affect people. Life is beautiful as is.
@Iseeit4u That would probably be a pretty insensitive, not to mention stupid, thing to say. There are plenty of consoling comforting words you can express that don't include "I'll pray for you."
These people are very ignorant and have been hardened because of their choice not to believe. They put simplistic explinations to their beliefs because they are not able to understand. Offened or not, pray for them.
@Iseeit4u People do not choose what to believe. You can't force yourself to believe in Zeus or Thor could you? It's not an act of ignorance to not believe in something. I myself am an atheist, not by choice, but through my experience living i have found that there isn't a god as described in the christian bible or any other mainstream religion. Even when i was a kid and i prayed often, i realized that prayer was doing absolutely nothing.
Why,because she doesn't have the same imaginary friend., If she worshiped Allah,would it turn you on or would she have to worship Jesus.I understand birds of a feather.I'm sure most atheist women wouldn't go for you anyway.they are looking for free thinkers.I'm sure that's standard
well i wouldnt call God an imaginary friend. and allah and God are the same. ask any muslim. and i think atheists girls might like me. im not sure. at my age girls dont really care about religion or lack thereof. they care more about looks and stuff like that.
You somehow equate the Islamic version of god (commonly called by the Arabic word Allah) with the Christian version of god (called by name Jesus or YHWH), and when sheppaul tries to point this out to you, you are totally oblivious.
How about this: The girl believes in Baal. Is this a turn-off? How about Thor? Aten? Brahma?
no its alright i may disagree with the girl, but she can believe what she wants. its just something about atheist girls that makes me thinks theyre stupid. i know atheists would disagree with me on that, but because they are atheists. and this is just my opinion
Well, it depends on WHY they're atheistic. I think generally, atheistic girls are more rational ONLY if they arrived at that conclusion through intelligent introspection and a desire for the truth, knowledge, etc.. you get the point. But if a person in general is an Atheist because they just don't agree with the bible and religion, for purely simplistic reasons without having looked deeply, then sure, they might just be pretty "stupid" for lack of a better word. The same applies for theists.
Now, from my PERSONAL experience, Atheist girls are not "smarter" than anyone else. They just possess a character trait that makes them think more critically and scientifically about certain things which may OR may not carry over in the rest of their interests and concerns. It's hard to correlate "rationality" with "atheism" in a concrete way. It's not as clear cut as some make it out to be. ANYWAYS, if anybody's curious, I don't believe in any god or anything mythical/spiritual/fake/imaginary.
What I mean by saying that it's hard to correlate rationality with atheism is that an extremely religious person can also be very rational about 99% of other affairs of life. Likewise, an extremely atheistic person can be very irrational about 99% of things in their life. My personal opinions have nothing to do with this (and as I've stated, I'm probably biased towards atheism because it's what makes the most sense to me).
well just by talking to them i see atheists as stupid. they may seem smart but after thinking about what theyre saying i realize that in reality theyre stupid. another thing is that being an atheist or theist doesnt make anyone intelligent or stupid. the atheists im talking about in the first two sentences are just some people that ive seen on youtube because i dont know any atheists in person. and i do realize theres intelligent atheists but the two things arent related.
Lol Lets compare... have you seen the theist videos on youtube? They're amazingly retarded... Ray Comfort?! I'm not sure what you're saying, atheists and theists are still people they're not two different kinds of people are you saying to not believe in god you have to be stupid or something? That makes no sense Obviously you've never talked to an intelligent person never mind an intelligent atheist. You do realise the god position is a very stupid position to hold
you can't hold the notion that "atheists are stupid" When you have only talked to 2 atheists... that's stupid... you obviously have not looked at your claim hard enough to realise the only way people can believe it is if they have their own experience of god. If they haven't then you can't expect them to believe... it's nothing to do with being stupid... it's just about experience.
to believe in god without experiencing him you have to be stupid... you have to give in to ignorance and ust believe without question... the reason atheists are atheists is because they have never experienced god not because they're stupid
See there is no evidence for the claim... to believe something 100% without evidence you have to be either stupid or ignorant
Well yes... i see no other proof of god.... The problem is that just because you don't know the answer to something it doesn't mean you can say "a wizard did it" Most atheist only don't believe because there is no proof what so ever. You can't see god, feel god smell god... see the effects of god... nothing.
Of course there needs to be evidence. Why believe without it?
The argument for atheism isn't stupid, maybe some atheists are but the argument is not.
well some say that nature is proof God. Miracles that occur in churches through prayer make believers of the people that witness them. I'm sure there's others that I can't think of right now. What's proof for some isn't for others. It's as simple as that. The only time proof is defined is when science supports it.
Yes I agree there needs to be evidence.
The argument for atheism isn't stupid it just doesn't consider some things.
well i say that nature is a proof of nature.can you point me in the direction of any documented miracles, other than the bible? and even if you found a "miracle" how can you say god did it? why cant it be something that we havent figured out? it seems a bit convenient to put god in wherever we dont have an explanation. proof is repeatable, properly designed experimentation. science only supports what qualifies as repeatable and unbiased. if prayer worked for one person, it must be repeatable.
i agree but in addition i believe nature is too perfect to exist on its own. when i hear of homeostasis, photosynthesis, respiration, cellular respiration, and things like that i think about God.
If you would like to see a miracle taking place attend a bible based church. theyre should be some miracles there. people being healed. you can youtube search miracles, healing, church. even just turn on your tv.
We give credit to God for the miracle because it's him we pray to.
another thing, i havent exactly seen the correlation between praying and having prayers answered, but im pretty sure its not out there. people at church tend to focus the feelings they have in church will attribute it to god. also, nature is not perfect. extinctions, global warming, cancer, disease meteorites radiation, miscarriages. the list goes on. there are optimal levels of natures health but they do not implicate a god. even though nature is quite amazing it does not prove a god.
We're not going to say thank you sun god for this miracle if were praying to the god of Abraham.
Yes it is something we haven't figured out. Science doesn't even recognize miracles.
I don't know about other religious people, but several times in the day I just say: I dont know. So its not about the convinience its because we actually have a reason to believe.
miracles ARE repeatable. i would say just about everyone in my family has had part in a miracle.
Nature is proof of nature, i dislike this notion that people "know" that god was behind it. Atheism conciders everything and decides you can't just pretend you "know" it's god. Even if there were miracles that wouldn't normally happen anyway, there is no way you canexplain them through "god" you don't know how many infinite options there are. I could say that the elf at the bottom of my garden did it all and it would be just as valid as you saying god. You can't just shove God in the gaps.
well to some people nature is proof of God. you may not think so, but for others they honestly think it is proof.
if someone prayed to the elf at the bottom of your garden and they were healed by him as foretold in his holy book then you could say he did it. we put God where the bible says hes supposed to be.
your way of thinking is very typical of atheists. i would suggest that you remain open to other belief systems regardless of the one you subscribe to right now.
See you haven't looked at all the options, how do you know this elf isn't an elf who listens to people pray to god and answers them? Besides no "miracle" has ever happened that couldn't have happened by chance anyway.
The thing with atheists is that they remain open to EVERY belief system and decide that each is as valid as the other.
If something doesn't have evidence it is just as valid as something else without evidence. Unicorns, elves, jesus, magic.
I applaud you for that one. That's original thought. I had never heard that argument before.
If the elf listens to people pray to God and answers them then it's still serves as proof to us that by definition a god exists. We believe he has certain characteristics and capabilities based on what we have read in The Holy Bible.
miracles don't happen by chance. just about any physiological issue that you can think of has been repaired through prayer.
some of these conditions cant be healed by chance. these conditions are ones that dont have an answer provided by traditional or homeopathic medicine.
and i agree with the second part but not the third. jesus doesnt have evidence? up until recently jesus was recognized by historians(still is but not as much).
not truth at all,prayer can halp,i jusu pray for one thing meny years,and nothing hapened,once there eas a pricher who prayed only one time and problem was solved imedietly,so prayer has meaning and wery large purpose.
well, see I think there is a diff between him knowing, and him determining something. I don't really believe in predestination. I think I said it before, I don't' believe "knowing" is the same as "predetermined" The def. of knowing is "Possessing knowledge, information, or understanding." Predetermine means " To determine, decide, or establish in advance." ---con.----
He generalizes when he says when you really want something now God can interfere with free will,...sadly, there are those who think like this, but not everyone. He can interfere, not that he "mind controls" someone to do something but interfere in ways, yes.
If prayer changes anything then God is still omniscient. Yes he knows what's going to happen, and he already knows what we are going to pray, does it make it pointless to pray? No. Because we don't' know the big picture or what is going to happen. --con.---
Try showing some respect. Calling someone a fool is very childish.
It's like if you were to draw a line on paper, take the paper and hold it right up to your face, then hold it back, first you can only see part of the line, but when you hold it back you can see everything. God can see everything, we can't.
All of the choices you have made and are going to make he has seen, does that mean you didn't' make any choices or change anything? No. it means you have free will and can't see what he sees. free will and his omniscient work together.
Not true. If said god is omniscient and omnipotent, free will works with it. Think of it as a timeline, said god can see the whole thing, we can only see now...have we still made choices?? yes, of course, he just sees every choice we've made, are making, and are going to make.
Are you talking about predestination? I think you're confusing knowing something, and actually choosing. His 'knowing' of what will happen does not equal my actual 'choices' that i have made. He doesn't make choices for me. If we didn't' have free will then you couldn't choose to not be a person of faith, and I couldn't choose to be a person of faith. Sure, I'd say that.
-----con. This is where I think we disagree...you're saying God predetermined things, while I'm saying he didn't...and since knowing and predetermined aren't synonyms, we're really talking about 2 diff. things. I personally don't believe in predestination, now if you're saying you do then I would agree that we don't have any free will.
I meant if you believed in predestination then according to that, we don't' have free will, and that would be a diff argument (somewhat).
But him knowing it doesn't CAUSE it to happen, I think that's where the problem is. His foreknowledge does not restrict me or you form making choices. Say i put a $100 dollars on the sidewalk without telling anyone I did, with a note saying anybody can have this, just take it...--con----
I can say with 100% certainty that I know somebody will take it...now, me knowing this, did that take away from anyone's free will to choose whether or not they took the money? No. I realize i'm not God and analogies only can go so far,but,i'm trying my best to explain this, cuz it's not that easy to understand..at least I thought so at first. Also..In the bible it says we must choose our salvation, or choose to not serve God.
Your analogy falls short. You can't be absolutely certain somebody will pick up the money. A gust of wind could blow the money down a sewer. Chances are there is money lying around somewhere for a long time & nobody ever notices it.
I'm enjoying our dialogue. However we will never be in agreement for a number of reasons.
Yes, we believe we have free will. However, You believe a god exists & i don't.
Yes I was a Christian. The more i read the bible the more contradictory i found it to be. If you read the bible Objectively you will conclude it is filled with Many Contradictions.
Don't ask me to quote chapter & verse because i don't own a bible & have not read passages since 1980.
Substantial Verifiable Factual Evidence NOT the bible is required.
Example ... god appears before EVERYBODY Simultaneously & performs miracles (Acts which no one can do) will convince me an all powerful. Continued
god exists. It may convince me god is omniscient. It won't convince me god is all merciful. It won't convince me of Free Will. It won't convince the bible is the absolute truth. Allah, Zeus, Odin or Buddah may appear.
Did you ever consider that if a god exists it may not be as described in the bible? If you're cocksure the bible is the absolute truth. Then you're not being Objective. I attended a Roman Catholic school & had to take religious courses. When i became 13 years old. Continued ...
I chose not to believe a god exists because there wasn't ANY Verifiable Factual Evidence to support the claim to my satisfaction. Skepticism is Good. Blind Faith is NOT good.
A great requires a great burden of proof to validate the claim. Enough about me.
Why do you believe a god exists ? Offer Factual Evidence. Don't offer the bible as proof. Don't say because no one has proved god does NOT exist, Therefor god exists.
Blind faith is a belief something is true without proof to support it !
So have I. lol...I just typed up a lot, more than 3 posts it would take. IT's not a big deal, don't try to make it into something its' not by saying "unless you're afraid" come on, that's lame.
It's ok. I'm not taking it that way. I have no prob posting them publicly, i have on other vids, it's just easier since there's a lot to use messaging. but i'm not talking to anybody else, it shouldn't matter. I don't care who reads them or knows about my views, I've said them on youtube before, only much shorter.
I'll give you a general since of what i said in the message, cuz it seriously would take many comments, and i find it silly to use so many when I could be using a message wheres it's unlimited. There won't be much detail in what I say, but if you would ever like me to send the message I will be happy to.
The goat thing... I don't mind if someone prays for me. The only reason sacrificing a goat bothers me is, I really would rather a creature not have to die for that irrational belief.
Similarly, I don't mind if someone prays quietly in their own house. I wouldn't want them to pray for me on a megaphone.
to everyone who think god is real: if god is real then why hasn't he shown any appearence's, why would he let us destroy oursselves in pointless wars, and not do a damn thing about it, think about it!
Well, I'd say he's given us the freedom of choice, if he programed us to only be able to do good then how would he ever know who truly loved him? How would any of us know who were are true friends, if our husbands/wives really loved us..I mean you couldn't. You'd have a bunch of do-gooding robots.
and about the cancer thing, of course he's aware, (and it seems kinda silly she would be offended..but anways) and it's not that "were so special", God tells us to pray.. she could pray if she wanted to, anybody can.
I see it as to YOUR inner or OTHER self ..a measn of instilling HOPE in a cold and sometimes empty existence A NEED is met for those THAT ..for some reason..or event ...are changed by life's experiences ( and even traditions)(Afterlife as a "good" person would seek without any evidence but proof is emergence of complicated .. CONSCIOUS BEINGS ...from tiny cells ..even EVOLUTION ( if TRUE) THE SOURCE of IT is unknown and mysterious...
I Use PRAYER FOR PERSONAL (EMOTIONAL) COMFORT...AND INNER STRENGTH TO FACE the situations in LIFE......and to have a quiet time ..to help in DECISION making......a positive ( attitude) prayer can sometimes HELP the body to heal...but ACTION must be included .......the word Hope for You and pray for You can be equivalent ( in the mind of the person........
It isn't that close to meditation. When you pray you usually ask for things.
When it is close to meditation it's based on something false anyway.
But it helps some people to gather strength.
I'd say praying is good for weak people who need to rely in something big and magic or stuff so they can find hope. People in trouble may need it that's true.
But it doesn't make god real anyway.
So the answer is: It's good if it helps, but unreal none the less.
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You're both gay and your afraid of God. And furthermore you have no proof of what you're saying, neither do those who believe. You're both bitter people., Aw sorry dykey that "God" didn't cure your mom. Fat boy faggot, sorry that Santa Clause not being real fucked with you so much. Very unhappy people. Pseudo intellectual dumbasses!
I'd think the argument somehow misses the point to say "God already has a plan, knows the future and therefore praying will not change anything." I'd say praying doesn't help because nobody is listening in the first place. :-)
You guys make USA look good over here in Europe. We mostly see you guys as weirdo jesus freaks. Nice to see some people actually THINK instead of "believe".
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Wow, two ugly ass people actually making a show about atheism. Seriously, what is the point of this video? And what is wrong with praying? Why am I posting a comment on this video? I'm wasting my life. You two suck, get fucking lives.
Actually their have been studies done BY CHURCHES to try and PROVE that prayer helps, but more often than not the studies seem to show that those that were prayed for and were aware of it did worse than those not prayed for.
So what's wrong with praying? EVERYTHING!
Except for the fact that it makes you feel a little better about your helplessness.
So... Go ahead and pray selfishly for others. I can't expect much else from a religious person.
It's selfish to pray for others? uhh ok, look dude, I don't want to argue at all, I'm not happy about my life right now as it is. I'm stressed, tired, heartbroken, and the last thing i want to do is fight with some fat loser. God gives me happiness and a sense of belonging, I choose to believe in him, and praying helps me get through the day. If you don't like it, too bad, we'll all see what's real when we die won't we? Peace homie.
Well I would apologize for your life, but then again... if you have friends, if you have any decent relationship with your family, and if your attempts to improve your life actually accomplish something rather than set you back even further... then you're living a better life than me and therefor no sympathy.
Also the fact that you mentioned how much happiness it gives and the sense of belonging.
I felt the same way I do now back then. I rarely ever prayed to God unless it was serious because I felt that praying was entirely selfish.
I prayed that my brother's soul goes to a good place, that a friend of mine didn't die on a four wheeler accident, and to guide me and to help me follow his word, follow his will, and to help me work hard so that I could feed the homeless while preaching about how wonderful a God he was.
Even scientific tests run by churches show that Prayer does nothing.
"I'm emotional, and the last thing i want to do is have an intelligent discussion about what matters most. I believe in God because He makes me feel good."
But really, all you're saying is:
"I'm emotional and don't want to think. I base my belief in God based on how it makes me feel good rather than what I really think."
Which is the same as saying:
"Feeling secure is more important than making the right choice."
even the most ardent self professed atheists( e.g. Dawkins, who also claims Einstein as his ally) sing the high praises of the universe's magnificence and law governed operation. You're up against some pretty tough opposition if you are going to go down that route.
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GOD - Philosophia Perennis and Science.
The Old Lady’s TORTOISE (Hinduism) and DRAGON (Taoism) are symbols for WAVE (energy), both are analog with MAGEN DAVID (Judaism). "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" is the metaphor, and also similar with allegory of rituals Thawaf circling around the Ka'ba and Sa’i oscillating along “the sinus” Marwah-Shafa during the Hajj pilgrimage (Abraham). YIN-YANG: energy-particle . CROSS (Christian) and SWASTIKA (Buddhism) are symbols for “Balance of Nature.”
TatoSugiarto 6 months ago
if god is omnipotent and totally good, he couldn't have created free will in the first place.
stagesix6 6 months ago
@stagesix6 well strictly speaking if he is omnipotent there isnt anything he couldnt do, or he wouldnt be omnipotent.
tuseroni 5 months ago
ok seriously, how can you be offended by it? They only mean well.
gulbirk 9 months ago
"if your sick then how come there still monkeys huh??"
carbonfconfusion 1 year ago
They said several times that cancer can't be cured. I really object that, and here's something to watch about it.
/watch?v=7LXH-TJYS5w
You can also look into plenty of natural cures for it.
Arcadia453 1 year ago
@Arcadia453 Well actually they said that cancer at SOME POINT cant be cured.
gulbirk 9 months ago
guilt prayer is to relive the guilt
fallbread 1 year ago
Would you be offended if I prayed for you if the god(s) I worship are not omniscient?
buggerwho12 1 year ago
Prayer=conjouring of the holey spirit(gawd). sounds like witchcraft to me.
chilldaddy81 1 year ago
Actually, I wouldn't mind someone sacrificing a goat for me...
I've never had goat meat before... A good dinner can cure many an ill! (Not Cancer, but like, hunger, short-term depression, insomnia...)
Scardy 1 year ago
What struck me as kind of funny is that people "of faith" always say, "Oh, I'll pray for him/her."
If you REALLY trust that prayer does something, why not pray for a cure to cancer?
andrewh817 1 year ago
@andrewh817 That's because it would benefit everybody instead of just the person they wish to get well. I believe most Christians would rather pray for the demise of people they hate, such as atheists like us.
gupsphoo 1 year ago
ching chong
MrChayeah 1 year ago
Does God interfere with free will? If it were true that there is a God that truly is all-powerful, then of course he interferes! In that event, NOTHING can possibly happen without the will of God. How can you really think you have any free will?There's none leftover if God has all of it. How can any Christian not understand what ALL powerful means? If it were true, there would be no such thing as privacy, free will, or freedom. God would, by definition, be the ultimate tyrant!
DandAinTac 1 year ago
@DandAinTac Want Biblical proof God makes people the way he wants and remove freewill? Read Romans 9:11-21. Tell every theist you know. Add Ephesians 1:3-5 & 11-12 and 2 Timothy 1:8-9 too.
HybridD91 1 year ago
@HybridD91 Well, I dusted off the old Bible my grandmother gave me when I was a little kid--I'm sure it's all on-line, but it gave me an excuse to dust off the Bible. I almost freaked out my wife when she saw me looking at it--"You're not going religious on me are you?" she asked in a panic. By the time I calmed her down, it was hard to focus on the vague obscure text of the Bible. Problem is, it can be interpreted in all sorts of ways, which helps believers to twist it all sorts of ways.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
@DandAinTac They can't twist those verses around. Actually, I doubt most churches, if any, read those verses. It shows every thing wrong in the world, including Satan, is because of God, which is obvious with logic but logic doesn't work with these peopel.
HybridD91 1 year ago
Did Jen say "when Matt was sick"? As in Matt Dillahunty?
Please tell me he is not seriously ill...
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne this video came out in Nov. 2008 XD
HybridD91 1 year ago
Well, I saw this after hearing about Hitchens...
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
I liked that intro song.... and good video guys.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
Would it offend you if I prayed for you if my god usually doesn't help people unless asked because it assumes people can take care of themselves?
buggerwho12 1 year ago
"What should I say to this woman's mother if I run into her"
Why don't you tell her that all the negative things she is currently encountering is part of god's plan. Think that would make her feel better?
Diomedes01 1 year ago
beliefs are overrated.
BRZRKRvsEARTH 1 year ago
What is your experience with Jesus?
gcjoshsabo 2 years ago
@gcjoshsabo Never met him...
bttrflykiss7701 1 year ago
Here is the reason Christians say they will pray for you Philippians 2:26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick. For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him/ and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.
Iseeit4u 2 years ago
What should I say to this woman's mother if I run into her....Life sucks and soon you will probably die, rot and be stuck in the ground and that will be the end of you. Don't feel bad, life has no purpose so what's the big deal, why not bite a bullet and end it now and save everybody the grief and hassle watching you waste away. Think of others and just kill yourself now." How would that work?
Iseeit4u 2 years ago
Well, I'm not sorry, and I don't pray for someone. I'd just say that it's terrible and move on. There no more thought required than that. Terrible things happen that you can't control. I don't feel grief over them. What do I say to a woman that was divorcing her husband and he commits suicide? I don't say he's in a better place, it's a waste of everyone's time and not honest. Don't diminish something terrible that way.
CrazyBluePrime 2 years ago
There's no gods or magic, but life doesn't suck. Is there an overriding purpose to human life? Probably not. But would it be better if our purpose was to endlessly praise and beg for favors from an all-powerful dictator in space, on penalty of torture? Not really. The end of life can be a time of great closure both for the dying and for their family and friends. How we die matters - people in my family have had all kinds, and I've seen how differently they affect people. Life is beautiful as is.
bcgonynor 1 year ago
@Iseeit4u That would probably be a pretty insensitive, not to mention stupid, thing to say. There are plenty of consoling comforting words you can express that don't include "I'll pray for you."
bttrflykiss7701 1 year ago
These people are very ignorant and have been hardened because of their choice not to believe. They put simplistic explinations to their beliefs because they are not able to understand. Offened or not, pray for them.
Iseeit4u 2 years ago
@Iseeit4u People do not choose what to believe. You can't force yourself to believe in Zeus or Thor could you? It's not an act of ignorance to not believe in something. I myself am an atheist, not by choice, but through my experience living i have found that there isn't a god as described in the christian bible or any other mainstream religion. Even when i was a kid and i prayed often, i realized that prayer was doing absolutely nothing.
joshw88 1 year ago
@Iseeit4u What exactly are the simplistic explainations they are putting on their "beliefs"?
bttrflykiss7701 1 year ago
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@Iseeit4u What exactly are the simplistic explainations they are putting on their "beliefs"?
bttrflykiss7701 1 year ago
I can't believe she gets offended when people say "I'll pray for you." Lighten up.
rnvogel05 2 years ago
The problem is that the person thinks they're helping. They're not.
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Joosybum 2 years ago
@rnvogel05 this offends me greatly as well...
ytben26 2 years ago
if evolution is true I dont see how religion was tipped off.
W1LDWESLEY 2 years ago
Did he just say Matt is sick???
syriangamer 2 years ago
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its a turn off for me wen a girls an atheist
homeworksuks 2 years ago
you'd make a great christian. they don't like thinking women either.
blyrehs 2 years ago 21
i do like thinking women. a thinking woman may or may not be an atheist. . .
homeworksuks 2 years ago
Why,because she doesn't have the same imaginary friend., If she worshiped Allah,would it turn you on or would she have to worship Jesus.I understand birds of a feather.I'm sure most atheist women wouldn't go for you anyway.they are looking for free thinkers.I'm sure that's standard
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sheppaul 2 years ago 2
well i wouldnt call God an imaginary friend. and allah and God are the same. ask any muslim. and i think atheists girls might like me. im not sure. at my age girls dont really care about religion or lack thereof. they care more about looks and stuff like that.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
is allah and jesus
sheppaul 2 years ago
well since jesus and God are one then sure
homeworksuks 2 years ago
homeworksuks . . . using your logic:
"jesus and God are not one. ask any muslim."
"jesus and God are not one. ask any hindu."
"jesus and God are not one. ask any buddhist."
You somehow equate the Islamic version of god (commonly called by the Arabic word Allah) with the Christian version of god (called by name Jesus or YHWH), and when sheppaul tries to point this out to you, you are totally oblivious.
How about this: The girl believes in Baal. Is this a turn-off? How about Thor? Aten? Brahma?
EebstertheGreat 2 years ago
well than that is your belief.
and all those are alright with me.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
My belief is that there is no god.
That is somehow not all right with you?
EebstertheGreat 2 years ago
well than thats you
no its alright i may disagree with the girl, but she can believe what she wants. its just something about atheist girls that makes me thinks theyre stupid. i know atheists would disagree with me on that, but because they are atheists. and this is just my opinion
homeworksuks 2 years ago
Well, it depends on WHY they're atheistic. I think generally, atheistic girls are more rational ONLY if they arrived at that conclusion through intelligent introspection and a desire for the truth, knowledge, etc.. you get the point. But if a person in general is an Atheist because they just don't agree with the bible and religion, for purely simplistic reasons without having looked deeply, then sure, they might just be pretty "stupid" for lack of a better word. The same applies for theists.
Proghead88 2 years ago
Now, from my PERSONAL experience, Atheist girls are not "smarter" than anyone else. They just possess a character trait that makes them think more critically and scientifically about certain things which may OR may not carry over in the rest of their interests and concerns. It's hard to correlate "rationality" with "atheism" in a concrete way. It's not as clear cut as some make it out to be. ANYWAYS, if anybody's curious, I don't believe in any god or anything mythical/spiritual/fake/imaginary.
Proghead88 2 years ago
What I mean by saying that it's hard to correlate rationality with atheism is that an extremely religious person can also be very rational about 99% of other affairs of life. Likewise, an extremely atheistic person can be very irrational about 99% of things in their life. My personal opinions have nothing to do with this (and as I've stated, I'm probably biased towards atheism because it's what makes the most sense to me).
Proghead88 2 years ago
yes you have a point but generally i see atheist girls as being more complex and they think they know things.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
Well, that's a different story. That's being "complicated" but it has nothing to do with intellect.
Proghead88 2 years ago
well some of them may be intelligent. ive never met an atheist girl ive only seen them on youtube so i cant really say i theyre intellilgent or not
homeworksuks 2 years ago
Atheists are stupid? Apart from the most intelligent people and scienttists in the world are atheist...
Sure it's your opinion but your opinion is ill informed
happyhappy85 2 years ago
i know atheists are intelligent they just seem stupid to me. another thing i want to mention is that i dont mean to offend people with my posts.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
yeah fair enough with not offending people
I ust want you to defend your position is all :)
How come the majority of the most intelligent people in the world are atheistic and most theists seem to be morons? Back up your claim
happyhappy85 2 years ago
yes i already told you that atheists are intelligent and they statiscally have higher IQs.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
It's not even about IQ's because i know that those kind of statistics can be misleading... i'm talking about genuinely intelligent people
Scienctists, skeptics.... people who you can tell are smart just by talking to them
It's rare you find intelligent religious types.
happyhappy85 2 years ago
well just by talking to them i see atheists as stupid. they may seem smart but after thinking about what theyre saying i realize that in reality theyre stupid. another thing is that being an atheist or theist doesnt make anyone intelligent or stupid. the atheists im talking about in the first two sentences are just some people that ive seen on youtube because i dont know any atheists in person. and i do realize theres intelligent atheists but the two things arent related.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
Lol Lets compare... have you seen the theist videos on youtube? They're amazingly retarded... Ray Comfort?! I'm not sure what you're saying, atheists and theists are still people they're not two different kinds of people are you saying to not believe in god you have to be stupid or something? That makes no sense Obviously you've never talked to an intelligent person never mind an intelligent atheist. You do realise the god position is a very stupid position to hold
happyhappy85 2 years ago
you can't hold the notion that "atheists are stupid" When you have only talked to 2 atheists... that's stupid... you obviously have not looked at your claim hard enough to realise the only way people can believe it is if they have their own experience of god. If they haven't then you can't expect them to believe... it's nothing to do with being stupid... it's just about experience.
happyhappy85 2 years ago
no i never said they were. i said they seem stupid. and i have never talked to any atheists.
many people believe in God without experiecing him and I dont expect anyone to believe in him. People can believe what they choose.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
to believe in god without experiencing him you have to be stupid... you have to give in to ignorance and ust believe without question... the reason atheists are atheists is because they have never experienced god not because they're stupid
See there is no evidence for the claim... to believe something 100% without evidence you have to be either stupid or ignorant
happyhappy85 2 years ago
no. do you honestly believe experiencing God is the only proof of him? and the reasons why atheists dont believe can vary.
there doesnt need to be evidence. i was saying that they SEEM stupid. its just my opinion. i can send you the links and maybe you would agree with me.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
Well yes... i see no other proof of god.... The problem is that just because you don't know the answer to something it doesn't mean you can say "a wizard did it" Most atheist only don't believe because there is no proof what so ever. You can't see god, feel god smell god... see the effects of god... nothing.
Of course there needs to be evidence. Why believe without it?
The argument for atheism isn't stupid, maybe some atheists are but the argument is not.
happyhappy85 2 years ago
well some say that nature is proof God. Miracles that occur in churches through prayer make believers of the people that witness them. I'm sure there's others that I can't think of right now. What's proof for some isn't for others. It's as simple as that. The only time proof is defined is when science supports it.
Yes I agree there needs to be evidence.
The argument for atheism isn't stupid it just doesn't consider some things.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
well i say that nature is a proof of nature.can you point me in the direction of any documented miracles, other than the bible? and even if you found a "miracle" how can you say god did it? why cant it be something that we havent figured out? it seems a bit convenient to put god in wherever we dont have an explanation. proof is repeatable, properly designed experimentation. science only supports what qualifies as repeatable and unbiased. if prayer worked for one person, it must be repeatable.
creepyoldman2 2 years ago
i agree but in addition i believe nature is too perfect to exist on its own. when i hear of homeostasis, photosynthesis, respiration, cellular respiration, and things like that i think about God.
If you would like to see a miracle taking place attend a bible based church. theyre should be some miracles there. people being healed. you can youtube search miracles, healing, church. even just turn on your tv.
We give credit to God for the miracle because it's him we pray to.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
another thing, i havent exactly seen the correlation between praying and having prayers answered, but im pretty sure its not out there. people at church tend to focus the feelings they have in church will attribute it to god. also, nature is not perfect. extinctions, global warming, cancer, disease meteorites radiation, miscarriages. the list goes on. there are optimal levels of natures health but they do not implicate a god. even though nature is quite amazing it does not prove a god.
creepyoldman2 2 years ago
We're not going to say thank you sun god for this miracle if were praying to the god of Abraham.
Yes it is something we haven't figured out. Science doesn't even recognize miracles.
I don't know about other religious people, but several times in the day I just say: I dont know. So its not about the convinience its because we actually have a reason to believe.
miracles ARE repeatable. i would say just about everyone in my family has had part in a miracle.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
miracles can be seen all the time on tv.
i dont think science would ever support miracles because there is no explanation. just that God did it because we prayed.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
i saw robots on tv, doesn't exactly make it real. once again, i need statistical data that says that prayer works.
creepyoldman2 2 years ago
Nature is proof of nature, i dislike this notion that people "know" that god was behind it. Atheism conciders everything and decides you can't just pretend you "know" it's god. Even if there were miracles that wouldn't normally happen anyway, there is no way you canexplain them through "god" you don't know how many infinite options there are. I could say that the elf at the bottom of my garden did it all and it would be just as valid as you saying god. You can't just shove God in the gaps.
happyhappy85 2 years ago
well to some people nature is proof of God. you may not think so, but for others they honestly think it is proof.
if someone prayed to the elf at the bottom of your garden and they were healed by him as foretold in his holy book then you could say he did it. we put God where the bible says hes supposed to be.
your way of thinking is very typical of atheists. i would suggest that you remain open to other belief systems regardless of the one you subscribe to right now.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
See you haven't looked at all the options, how do you know this elf isn't an elf who listens to people pray to god and answers them? Besides no "miracle" has ever happened that couldn't have happened by chance anyway.
The thing with atheists is that they remain open to EVERY belief system and decide that each is as valid as the other.
If something doesn't have evidence it is just as valid as something else without evidence. Unicorns, elves, jesus, magic.
happyhappy85 2 years ago
I applaud you for that one. That's original thought. I had never heard that argument before.
If the elf listens to people pray to God and answers them then it's still serves as proof to us that by definition a god exists. We believe he has certain characteristics and capabilities based on what we have read in The Holy Bible.
miracles don't happen by chance. just about any physiological issue that you can think of has been repaired through prayer.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
some of these conditions cant be healed by chance. these conditions are ones that dont have an answer provided by traditional or homeopathic medicine.
and i agree with the second part but not the third. jesus doesnt have evidence? up until recently jesus was recognized by historians(still is but not as much).
homeworksuks 2 years ago
wow -13. if i saw a comment about someone saying that religious girls are a turn off to them i wouldnt give it a -1. its simply about preference.
homeworksuks 2 years ago
not truth at all,prayer can halp,i jusu pray for one thing meny years,and nothing hapened,once there eas a pricher who prayed only one time and problem was solved imedietly,so prayer has meaning and wery large purpose.
Apolo1002 2 years ago
because he prayed with faith. the bible instructs to pray with faith
homeworksuks 2 years ago
to me the bible god is the biggest mafia in the history of mankind
He SAID you have free will
but in reality he say this
You have 2 choices
1. join me and be happy
2. Refuse me and I will fucking sent you to hell and torture you forever MUHAHAHAHA
so to all you christian, you can shove your god up your own ass
TheAlexBS 2 years ago 3
I'v always said that, jajajajaja isnt it ironic?
cagethug 2 years ago
I am so tired of people complaining about volume levels! Don't you people have a volume knob on your speakers?
okplayer420 2 years ago
great stuff but as usual the sound level sucks
billyboscoboy 2 years ago
I have Free will & I don't believe any god exists!
You believe an all powerful, all knowing god exists & have free will.
We agree on half of this issue.
If you're correct, then because of god's omnipotence & omniscience god has decided/determined your entire existence before your conception.
If god knows all in advance then you don't have free choice.
It's interesting for me to make this statement since i don't believe any god exists !
tranquility4all 2 years ago
Yes, we do.
well, see I think there is a diff between him knowing, and him determining something. I don't really believe in predestination. I think I said it before, I don't' believe "knowing" is the same as "predetermined" The def. of knowing is "Possessing knowledge, information, or understanding." Predetermine means " To determine, decide, or establish in advance." ---con.----
black9897 2 years ago
People predict what may happen, We don't know.
If an all powerful & all knowing supreme being knows what's going to happen, then it will happen. It's god's plan.
If that's not predestination then what is ?
You can't have it both ways.
If you believe in an all powerful & all knowing god who knows what is going to happen in advance,
Then, We don't have Free Will !
tranquility4all 2 years ago
It's not pointless, just cause he can see what's going to happen doesn't mean prayer can't change something.
black9897 2 years ago
He generalizes when he says when you really want something now God can interfere with free will,...sadly, there are those who think like this, but not everyone. He can interfere, not that he "mind controls" someone to do something but interfere in ways, yes.
black9897 2 years ago
If prayer changes anything, then God is not omniscient. If prayer doesn't change anything, then God is not omnipotent.
You work it out.
Fool.
TimJMorrison 2 years ago
If prayer changes anything then God is still omniscient. Yes he knows what's going to happen, and he already knows what we are going to pray, does it make it pointless to pray? No. Because we don't' know the big picture or what is going to happen. --con.---
Try showing some respect. Calling someone a fool is very childish.
black9897 2 years ago
It's like if you were to draw a line on paper, take the paper and hold it right up to your face, then hold it back, first you can only see part of the line, but when you hold it back you can see everything. God can see everything, we can't.
black9897 2 years ago
All of the choices you have made and are going to make he has seen, does that mean you didn't' make any choices or change anything? No. it means you have free will and can't see what he sees. free will and his omniscient work together.
black9897 2 years ago
If you believe any god is Omniscient & Omnipotent then you can surmise we don't have free will.
Prayer is useless if any god exists, Who is all powerful & knows all that will occur.
tranquility4all 2 years ago
Not true. If said god is omniscient and omnipotent, free will works with it. Think of it as a timeline, said god can see the whole thing, we can only see now...have we still made choices?? yes, of course, he just sees every choice we've made, are making, and are going to make.
black9897 2 years ago
If a god knows every decision we are going to make then we don't have free choice.
How can we choose against the will of someone who is all powerful & knows all that will happen?
I believe you are a person of faith.
I'm not.
I surmise neither of us will accept the others' opinion on this topic.
Chances are we will disagree on most topics concerning religion & god.
I'm an objective person & state your opinions may be correct.
If you're objective you should state my opinions may be be correct ?
tranquility4all 2 years ago
Are you talking about predestination? I think you're confusing knowing something, and actually choosing. His 'knowing' of what will happen does not equal my actual 'choices' that i have made. He doesn't make choices for me. If we didn't' have free will then you couldn't choose to not be a person of faith, and I couldn't choose to be a person of faith. Sure, I'd say that.
black9897 2 years ago
-----con. This is where I think we disagree...you're saying God predetermined things, while I'm saying he didn't...and since knowing and predetermined aren't synonyms, we're really talking about 2 diff. things. I personally don't believe in predestination, now if you're saying you do then I would agree that we don't have any free will.
black9897 2 years ago
We're debating Free Will from 2 different perspectives. Yes we agree we have Free Will. However you believe a god exists & I don't.
I don't believe in predestination.
tranquility4all 2 years ago
I meant if you believed in predestination then according to that, we don't' have free will, and that would be a diff argument (somewhat).
But him knowing it doesn't CAUSE it to happen, I think that's where the problem is. His foreknowledge does not restrict me or you form making choices. Say i put a $100 dollars on the sidewalk without telling anyone I did, with a note saying anybody can have this, just take it...--con----
black9897 2 years ago
Continue ...
I was raised Roman Catholic & for 9 years i attended religious instructions & bible study. I served as an Alter Boy.
I don't believe a god exists because in my opinion no verifiable factual evidence has been presented to my satisfaction which proves a god exists.
I'm objective & if a god's existence can be proven to my satisfaction then i will believe.
tranquility4all 2 years ago
I can say with 100% certainty that I know somebody will take it...now, me knowing this, did that take away from anyone's free will to choose whether or not they took the money? No. I realize i'm not God and analogies only can go so far,but,i'm trying my best to explain this, cuz it's not that easy to understand..at least I thought so at first. Also..In the bible it says we must choose our salvation, or choose to not serve God.
black9897 2 years ago
Your analogy falls short. You can't be absolutely certain somebody will pick up the money. A gust of wind could blow the money down a sewer. Chances are there is money lying around somewhere for a long time & nobody ever notices it.
I'm enjoying our dialogue. However we will never be in agreement for a number of reasons.
Yes, we believe we have free will. However, You believe a god exists & i don't.
You believe in the bible , I don't.
A little bit about myself.
Continued ...
tranquility4all 2 years ago
Well, I was assuming the money was in plan sight and was not taken by the wind..that everyone could see it. I am too.
I see...so..were you ever a Christian? or did you just go thourgh cuz you had to or what?
What kind of evidence would it take to convice you?
black9897 2 years ago
Yes I was a Christian. The more i read the bible the more contradictory i found it to be. If you read the bible Objectively you will conclude it is filled with Many Contradictions.
Don't ask me to quote chapter & verse because i don't own a bible & have not read passages since 1980.
Substantial Verifiable Factual Evidence NOT the bible is required.
Example ... god appears before EVERYBODY Simultaneously & performs miracles (Acts which no one can do) will convince me an all powerful. Continued
tranquility4all 2 years ago
god exists. It may convince me god is omniscient. It won't convince me god is all merciful. It won't convince me of Free Will. It won't convince the bible is the absolute truth. Allah, Zeus, Odin or Buddah may appear.
Did you ever consider that if a god exists it may not be as described in the bible? If you're cocksure the bible is the absolute truth. Then you're not being Objective. I attended a Roman Catholic school & had to take religious courses. When i became 13 years old. Continued ...
tranquility4all 2 years ago
I chose not to believe a god exists because there wasn't ANY Verifiable Factual Evidence to support the claim to my satisfaction. Skepticism is Good. Blind Faith is NOT good.
A great requires a great burden of proof to validate the claim. Enough about me.
Why do you believe a god exists ? Offer Factual Evidence. Don't offer the bible as proof. Don't say because no one has proved god does NOT exist, Therefor god exists.
Blind faith is a belief something is true without proof to support it !
tranquility4all 2 years ago
I have a message with a lot of stuff I typed, that's why i wanted to send a message but it wont' let me, only if you add me.
black9897 2 years ago
I posted my views for all to read on 3 different posts.
I suggest you do the same unless you're afraid to post your views for all to read.
tranquility4all 2 years ago
So have I. lol...I just typed up a lot, more than 3 posts it would take. IT's not a big deal, don't try to make it into something its' not by saying "unless you're afraid" come on, that's lame.
black9897 2 years ago
I'm not talking to the world either, I'm talking to you, you asked, not everyone else. So what does it matter if it's on here or on a message?
black9897 2 years ago
I don't mean to be rude. I'm not laughing!
As i stated earlier. I posted my views on the board & you should do the same.
I object to your assertion that it is "lame" for you to post your views on the board.
My views are posted for all to read & so should yours !
If you have the time to post your views privately. Then you have the time to post them publicly.
Continued ...
tranquility4all 2 years ago
It's ok. I'm not taking it that way. I have no prob posting them publicly, i have on other vids, it's just easier since there's a lot to use messaging. but i'm not talking to anybody else, it shouldn't matter. I don't care who reads them or knows about my views, I've said them on youtube before, only much shorter.
black9897 2 years ago
I find it much easier to type a whole bunch without being limited to 500 characters.
black9897 2 years ago
I'll give you a general since of what i said in the message, cuz it seriously would take many comments, and i find it silly to use so many when I could be using a message wheres it's unlimited. There won't be much detail in what I say, but if you would ever like me to send the message I will be happy to.
black9897 2 years ago
Who am i to make life difficult ? L.O.L.
Seriously, If it's more convenient to E mail a temp plate expressing your views, You're free to do so.
tranquility4all 2 years ago
Lol. well I appreciate that
black9897 2 years ago
... Continued ...
You're not the first person who invited me to read their views privately.
I refused their invitation & i refuse yours.
It's no big deals if you want to keep your views private.
However if you want me to read them, Then you will have to post them on the board.
tranquility4all 2 years ago
At the opening credits it looks like her name is "Jen Poopies" lol
themishkin 2 years ago
The goat thing... I don't mind if someone prays for me. The only reason sacrificing a goat bothers me is, I really would rather a creature not have to die for that irrational belief.
Similarly, I don't mind if someone prays quietly in their own house. I wouldn't want them to pray for me on a megaphone.
SanityInAnarchy 2 years ago
to everyone who think god is real: if god is real then why hasn't he shown any appearence's, why would he let us destroy oursselves in pointless wars, and not do a damn thing about it, think about it!
briackman 2 years ago
@briackman
I do take issue with God appearing to someone as proof of his existence because it is anecdotal.
PTurchan1 2 years ago
Well, I'd say he's given us the freedom of choice, if he programed us to only be able to do good then how would he ever know who truly loved him? How would any of us know who were are true friends, if our husbands/wives really loved us..I mean you couldn't. You'd have a bunch of do-gooding robots.
black9897 2 years ago
and about the cancer thing, of course he's aware, (and it seems kinda silly she would be offended..but anways) and it's not that "were so special", God tells us to pray.. she could pray if she wanted to, anybody can.
black9897 2 years ago
I see it as to YOUR inner or OTHER self ..a measn of instilling HOPE in a cold and sometimes empty existence A NEED is met for those THAT ..for some reason..or event ...are changed by life's experiences ( and even traditions)(Afterlife as a "good" person would seek without any evidence but proof is emergence of complicated .. CONSCIOUS BEINGS ...from tiny cells ..even EVOLUTION ( if TRUE) THE SOURCE of IT is unknown and mysterious...
mandolinjoe 2 years ago
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mandolinjoe 2 years ago
I Use PRAYER FOR PERSONAL (EMOTIONAL) COMFORT...AND INNER STRENGTH TO FACE the situations in LIFE......and to have a quiet time ..to help in DECISION making......a positive ( attitude) prayer can sometimes HELP the body to heal...but ACTION must be included .......the word Hope for You and pray for You can be equivalent ( in the mind of the person........
mandolinjoe 2 years ago
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God is alive and well!
SummerSunshine1988 2 years ago
I ve seen some results in fatih self-healing ..comments???
mandolinjoe 2 years ago
were you heald? was it someone you know? or was it on tv?
self heling can happen naturaly. things like cancer can go into remision, meaning your body wins. it can happen without medication.
dragonstar140 2 years ago
....... or the 'self-healing' perhaps is a Placebo.
robertghouston 2 years ago
Help me with my asthma, immunodeficiency, allergies.
Remagoen 2 years ago
praying is very close to meditation and is for self-strength and comfort
mandolinjoe 2 years ago
It isn't that close to meditation. When you pray you usually ask for things.
When it is close to meditation it's based on something false anyway.
But it helps some people to gather strength.
I'd say praying is good for weak people who need to rely in something big and magic or stuff so they can find hope. People in trouble may need it that's true.
But it doesn't make god real anyway.
So the answer is: It's good if it helps, but unreal none the less.
levi799 2 years ago
Great video. So true.
DblOSmith 2 years ago
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You're both gay and your afraid of God. And furthermore you have no proof of what you're saying, neither do those who believe. You're both bitter people., Aw sorry dykey that "God" didn't cure your mom. Fat boy faggot, sorry that Santa Clause not being real fucked with you so much. Very unhappy people. Pseudo intellectual dumbasses!
gtr362 2 years ago
I would say that you are the bitter one (=
And you know what? :( You are going to hell because you swear so much :'(
God doesn't like it :(
And I say to you my friend (= Do you have some proof that shows that your god is real? (=
I'll sacrifice a goat for you so you don't go to hell forr all that swearing :'(
levi799 2 years ago
cut out the middle man and jum off a bridge
markgg1 2 years ago
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Did you know that if you go to the river and pick up a rock
you can bring that rock home and pray to it every day?
It's true!
And it always answers your prayers!
Mind you, sometimes the answer will be YES,
sometimes it will be NO,
and sometimes it will be WAIT,
but it will always answer your prayer.
Just like God.
Just exactly like God.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago 2
I'd think the argument somehow misses the point to say "God already has a plan, knows the future and therefore praying will not change anything." I'd say praying doesn't help because nobody is listening in the first place. :-)
beatus72 3 years ago
Praying is like sitting in a rocking chair. Its something to do but it wont get you anywhere.
nickyact1 3 years ago 2
You guys make USA look good over here in Europe. We mostly see you guys as weirdo jesus freaks. Nice to see some people actually THINK instead of "believe".
Greets :)
pr0x1 3 years ago 15
I had cancer and Iodine treatment and didn't pray.
grrcrl 3 years ago
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Wow, two ugly ass people actually making a show about atheism. Seriously, what is the point of this video? And what is wrong with praying? Why am I posting a comment on this video? I'm wasting my life. You two suck, get fucking lives.
Forsaken593 3 years ago
'And what is wrong with praying?'
exactly! I talk to myself every day!
TheProf1988 3 years ago
I shall sacrifice a goat on your behalf.
If that does not comfort you, then I shall pray to Satan on your behalf that he protect you.
makaisenki 3 years ago
uhh...sure.
Forsaken593 3 years ago
The point is that praying literally does nothing.
Actually their have been studies done BY CHURCHES to try and PROVE that prayer helps, but more often than not the studies seem to show that those that were prayed for and were aware of it did worse than those not prayed for.
So what's wrong with praying? EVERYTHING!
Except for the fact that it makes you feel a little better about your helplessness.
So... Go ahead and pray selfishly for others. I can't expect much else from a religious person.
makaisenki 3 years ago
It's selfish to pray for others? uhh ok, look dude, I don't want to argue at all, I'm not happy about my life right now as it is. I'm stressed, tired, heartbroken, and the last thing i want to do is fight with some fat loser. God gives me happiness and a sense of belonging, I choose to believe in him, and praying helps me get through the day. If you don't like it, too bad, we'll all see what's real when we die won't we? Peace homie.
Forsaken593 3 years ago
Well I would apologize for your life, but then again... if you have friends, if you have any decent relationship with your family, and if your attempts to improve your life actually accomplish something rather than set you back even further... then you're living a better life than me and therefor no sympathy.
Also the fact that you mentioned how much happiness it gives and the sense of belonging.
I don't see how that makes it selfless.
I didn't say it was bad, just selfish by nature.
makaisenki 3 years ago 2
Maybe its because you don't believe in God.
Forsaken593 3 years ago
I felt the same way I do now back then. I rarely ever prayed to God unless it was serious because I felt that praying was entirely selfish.
I prayed that my brother's soul goes to a good place, that a friend of mine didn't die on a four wheeler accident, and to guide me and to help me follow his word, follow his will, and to help me work hard so that I could feed the homeless while preaching about how wonderful a God he was.
Even scientific tests run by churches show that Prayer does nothing.
makaisenki 3 years ago 3
Well if that's how you truly feel then I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise. It's your opinion.
Later.
Forsaken593 3 years ago
What was said here that piqued your ire?
PrometheusLoire 2 years ago
"I'm emotional, and the last thing i want to do is have an intelligent discussion about what matters most. I believe in God because He makes me feel good."
But really, all you're saying is:
"I'm emotional and don't want to think. I base my belief in God based on how it makes me feel good rather than what I really think."
Which is the same as saying:
"Feeling secure is more important than making the right choice."
chukonub 3 years ago 5
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marker853 2 years ago
what happen to the host? All the sudden he's not in any of the videos.
GWTWobsessed 3 years ago
Usually Matt is hosting three shows in a row, the fourth is hosted by Russell or Martin.
FFreeThinker 3 years ago
oh ok thanks
GWTWobsessed 3 years ago
what people believe is order in the universe is delusion, our universe is actually chaotic, you have to take a look outside our solar system!
taans1 3 years ago
even the most ardent self professed atheists( e.g. Dawkins, who also claims Einstein as his ally) sing the high praises of the universe's magnificence and law governed operation. You're up against some pretty tough opposition if you are going to go down that route.
superjamjar23 3 years ago