For instance, it seems that the Penan people of Borneo (hunter-gatherers) comes from ancestors who were familiar with agriculture (as the other tribes there : Iban, Kelabit, Kayan, Kenya, etc.).
The lost of cultural traits can be very fast, even if we consider them as granted and as solid as rocks, but that is not the case at all, especially if it hits small groups. During some exceptional circumstances, there have been groups forced (for whatever reason, war, disease, etc.) to abandon their former way life and start to adapt to a new one as a mean of survival. And we cannot exclude that what was supposed to be a temporary solution became permanent later on.
Maybe I don't understand... you say they were there for over 200 years which at the time (1971)
would be 1771 give or take a few decades or years. The Philippines have been a fairly unified country since 1543. I understand that there are a little over 7,000 islands (alot to be mapped and charted and explored) but still... no one made contact with these folks in over 200 years?? Also, 200 years is not a fairly long time meaning a group from another island had to have formed this group long ago.
Philippines has a rich bio-diversity. Just recently 100 new species were found in the Philippines. Philippines has many secrets. There's over 7000 islands, many are inhabited.
HMMM,,,i dont know dis kind of tribes,,tasaday?maybe similarly d tribe of mamalu and tabunaway..according 2 d elderly people..or d historical period d tribe of tabunaway ang mamalu are living d forest mountain of upi.. in southern mindanao..hmm...am not sure..but..yah..same like dis peoples..but no matter wat..d important they r a filipino....pls let us help them..........
that tasaday is really genuine,am a member of NGo and assigned at lake sebu before,i been in there place for many times and i can assure that they are the real tasaday,,so if u have any doubt,its not my problem at all,
The truth is that the claim of a hoax was the real hoax. The claim that the Tasaday were a hoax was created as part of a scam to obtain the Tasaday's land and its many timber and mineral resources. Truth was established by l8 social scientists who studied the Tasaday in the rainforest & found them absolutely authentic--living in caves for seven generations, using stone tools, making fire with wooden drills, gathering food with no experience of agriculture. They still live in the forest today.
Hey akosi05--thanks for your poetic comment. One thing, however, I'm not aware of any Tasaday separated because of poverty. Two Tasaday women married Tboli men and moved in with their families, but still visit the others, all of whom remain in the reservation.
Thanks for your message. Yes, the Tasaday are alive today and still living in the same area as when discovered in 1971 on a protected reserve. They now number over 215 persons and have had to make major adjustments in order to survive in dealing with the modern world. Their culture is different in man y ways, but at heart they remain similar to when we first met.
It's obvious you know NOTHING about the Tasaday. When discovered the Tasaday's hair hung to their hips--as reported. And how many Asians have heavy facial hair anyway? Not many, as most people know. Nobody ever reported they had been undiscovered since the "Stone Age," rather that when first contacted they were living a Stone-Age style of life--caves, stone tools, no trade, no agriculture, speaking a unique unrecorded dialect, etc, etc, etc. Read the material and then comment.
ok so they are a stone age people, with 70s haircuts... or without facial hair for that matter... and "undiscovered" seems bullshit. They were never so far away as to be only discovered in the 70s since the stone age
d difference between asian and western pipol are most asian pipol dont have much hair like native and original pilipinos..for now Filipinos are mix Some are called FILAM..FILIPINO AMERICAN,Chinito FILIPINO CHINESE, MESTISO -FILIPINO SPANISH and JAPanese PILIPINOs..so yah..We original pilipinos are not hairy like u guys...lols
potchychotcho--I just ran across your comment from a month ago about the Tasaday; did you ever receive the responses I posted via Facebook. I tried several times but the posting didn't seem to be goomg out. also, I did want to respond to the author of the book about hoaxes that you mentioned. John
Actually John, for the benefit of all, we would rather see your responses here, our questions are relevant to the video. Perhaps once we have established accuracy, we would like to learn more through personal email correspondence. In the mean time, if you can tell us where we can go to find support for your claims. We are also wanting to contact the author of the book we've read, are you interested in talking to him?
Wow - interesting John! We have not yet seen the other two messages you have posted but we're very interested to learn all we can about this. Especially considering the book we have read was only printed in 2004. Would you be interested in corresponding with that author John? Where can we go to find support for your claims?
My son and I are reading Scams! for a book club at the library ...this is making for some great homeschooling material .....
The claim the Tasaday are a hoax is the real hoax--concocted by factions that wanted to steal the Tasaday's timber- and mineral-rich land. There is no truth to the claim. Eighteen social scientists have studied the Tasaday in their rainforest home and found them to be an authentic group of food-gatherihg people who have resided at least two hundred years in that forest. No scholars who have studied the Tasaday in the field have produced evidence of a hoax. The Tasaday remain today on the land.
We have recently read a book called Scams! by Andreas Schroeder and the first story he lists is the story of the Tasaday and their "savior" Manuel Elizalde Jr.
Information on the web. supports that this was likely a "scam". The Tasaday were found living in a neighboring village when Elizalde fled to Mexico with 150 to 250 million dollars raised in a "Tasaday Preservation Fund". He purportedly died in 1997, in Mexico, penniless and addicted to crack cocaine.
Yes, I've followed the Tasaday story since they were first contacted in 1971, and continued to see them through the years, most recently last January. The claim that they were a hoax was the real hoax--an attempt to get them off the 45,000 acre reservation (filled with rich stands of timber and valuable minerals, including gold) proclaimed for them in 1972. The land remains in their hands after the hoax campaign was found fraudulent by a 4-month-long Congressional investigation in 1987....
Andreas Schroeder's report about the Tasaday is false. I have tried to find him but cannot. The hoax claim was concocted by factions that wanted to steal the Tasaday's ancestral land that is filled with valuable timber and minerals. They still live there. Eighteen scientists have documented the Tasaday as living in their rainforest for generations. I was a pallbearer in the funeral of Elizalde, who died of cancer in Manila, in 1997, far from penniless and not addicted to crack.
For instance, it seems that the Penan people of Borneo (hunter-gatherers) comes from ancestors who were familiar with agriculture (as the other tribes there : Iban, Kelabit, Kayan, Kenya, etc.).
MrAtamu 1 month ago
At :BoBtheparrot7
The lost of cultural traits can be very fast, even if we consider them as granted and as solid as rocks, but that is not the case at all, especially if it hits small groups. During some exceptional circumstances, there have been groups forced (for whatever reason, war, disease, etc.) to abandon their former way life and start to adapt to a new one as a mean of survival. And we cannot exclude that what was supposed to be a temporary solution became permanent later on.
MrAtamu 1 month ago
Maybe I don't understand... you say they were there for over 200 years which at the time (1971)
would be 1771 give or take a few decades or years. The Philippines have been a fairly unified country since 1543. I understand that there are a little over 7,000 islands (alot to be mapped and charted and explored) but still... no one made contact with these folks in over 200 years?? Also, 200 years is not a fairly long time meaning a group from another island had to have formed this group long ago.
BoBtheparrot7 1 month ago
Philippines has a rich bio-diversity. Just recently 100 new species were found in the Philippines. Philippines has many secrets. There's over 7000 islands, many are inhabited.
beatbstrdz 4 months ago
do they have survival tool kit ? please answer
bougzy009 1 year ago
do they have survival tool kit ?
bougzy009 1 year ago
HMMM,,,i dont know dis kind of tribes,,tasaday?maybe similarly d tribe of mamalu and tabunaway..according 2 d elderly people..or d historical period d tribe of tabunaway ang mamalu are living d forest mountain of upi.. in southern mindanao..hmm...am not sure..but..yah..same like dis peoples..but no matter wat..d important they r a filipino....pls let us help them..........
dovestdama 1 year ago
that tasaday is really genuine,am a member of NGo and assigned at lake sebu before,i been in there place for many times and i can assure that they are the real tasaday,,so if u have any doubt,its not my problem at all,
MrAds24 1 year ago 3
Tasaday is real they just use by Elizalde
oldinfant23 1 year ago
they say that the story of tasaday is a hoax, it was even shown in kaps amazing stories-worlds greatest hoaxes
kimmelay 2 years ago
The truth is that the claim of a hoax was the real hoax. The claim that the Tasaday were a hoax was created as part of a scam to obtain the Tasaday's land and its many timber and mineral resources. Truth was established by l8 social scientists who studied the Tasaday in the rainforest & found them absolutely authentic--living in caves for seven generations, using stone tools, making fire with wooden drills, gathering food with no experience of agriculture. They still live in the forest today.
johnenance 2 years ago
@johnenance Wake up. Just wake up. Phillipine is thekind of country.
T73Palin 1 year ago
koia, tasaday ka siguro noh?
yowdamann 2 years ago
Hey akosi05--thanks for your poetic comment. One thing, however, I'm not aware of any Tasaday separated because of poverty. Two Tasaday women married Tboli men and moved in with their families, but still visit the others, all of whom remain in the reservation.
johnenance 2 years ago
tasaday r still alive
but they're different now
cuz now they wearing clothes
they still have those caves
sum of the tasadays were seperated from each other bc of the poverty
akosi05 2 years ago
Thanks for your message. Yes, the Tasaday are alive today and still living in the same area as when discovered in 1971 on a protected reserve. They now number over 215 persons and have had to make major adjustments in order to survive in dealing with the modern world. Their culture is different in man y ways, but at heart they remain similar to when we first met.
johnenance 2 years ago
i hope theyve still exist nowadays.....
hope we could still find tasaday today
phantomendoza 2 years ago
some tasadays are still alive still live in the cave for real i watched it in a filipino channel. im filipino
ServingGod100 2 years ago
It's obvious you know NOTHING about the Tasaday. When discovered the Tasaday's hair hung to their hips--as reported. And how many Asians have heavy facial hair anyway? Not many, as most people know. Nobody ever reported they had been undiscovered since the "Stone Age," rather that when first contacted they were living a Stone-Age style of life--caves, stone tools, no trade, no agriculture, speaking a unique unrecorded dialect, etc, etc, etc. Read the material and then comment.
johnenance 2 years ago
ok so they are a stone age people, with 70s haircuts... or without facial hair for that matter... and "undiscovered" seems bullshit. They were never so far away as to be only discovered in the 70s since the stone age
chapman333 2 years ago
d difference between asian and western pipol are most asian pipol dont have much hair like native and original pilipinos..for now Filipinos are mix Some are called FILAM..FILIPINO AMERICAN,Chinito FILIPINO CHINESE, MESTISO -FILIPINO SPANISH and JAPanese PILIPINOs..so yah..We original pilipinos are not hairy like u guys...lols
MYTZHELLE 2 years ago
potchychotcho--I just ran across your comment from a month ago about the Tasaday; did you ever receive the responses I posted via Facebook. I tried several times but the posting didn't seem to be goomg out. also, I did want to respond to the author of the book about hoaxes that you mentioned. John
johnenance 3 years ago
Actually John, for the benefit of all, we would rather see your responses here, our questions are relevant to the video. Perhaps once we have established accuracy, we would like to learn more through personal email correspondence. In the mean time, if you can tell us where we can go to find support for your claims. We are also wanting to contact the author of the book we've read, are you interested in talking to him?
Thank-you
potchychotcho 3 years ago
Sorry. my repeated responses are stuck. I could answer you more fully by email if you want to give me your email address.
johnenance 3 years ago
Wow - interesting John! We have not yet seen the other two messages you have posted but we're very interested to learn all we can about this. Especially considering the book we have read was only printed in 2004. Would you be interested in corresponding with that author John? Where can we go to find support for your claims?
My son and I are reading Scams! for a book club at the library ...this is making for some great homeschooling material .....
potchychotcho 3 years ago
My comments are not going out.
do you have an email address?
johnenance 3 years ago
My comments are not going out.
do you have an email address?
johnenance 3 years ago
This is my fourth try to respond. Do you have an email address?
johnenance 3 years ago
I've posted three comments to your second message, but none seem to have been posted. Have you received anything after my first comment?
johnenance 3 years ago
...wait a minute - are you the guy who produced this?
if so, then you know all about the controversy!
please fill us in
potchychotcho 3 years ago
The claim the Tasaday are a hoax is the real hoax--concocted by factions that wanted to steal the Tasaday's timber- and mineral-rich land. There is no truth to the claim. Eighteen social scientists have studied the Tasaday in their rainforest home and found them to be an authentic group of food-gatherihg people who have resided at least two hundred years in that forest. No scholars who have studied the Tasaday in the field have produced evidence of a hoax. The Tasaday remain today on the land.
johnenance 2 years ago
We have recently read a book called Scams! by Andreas Schroeder and the first story he lists is the story of the Tasaday and their "savior" Manuel Elizalde Jr.
Information on the web. supports that this was likely a "scam". The Tasaday were found living in a neighboring village when Elizalde fled to Mexico with 150 to 250 million dollars raised in a "Tasaday Preservation Fund". He purportedly died in 1997, in Mexico, penniless and addicted to crack cocaine.
Worth researching ;)
potchychotcho 3 years ago
Yes, I've followed the Tasaday story since they were first contacted in 1971, and continued to see them through the years, most recently last January. The claim that they were a hoax was the real hoax--an attempt to get them off the 45,000 acre reservation (filled with rich stands of timber and valuable minerals, including gold) proclaimed for them in 1972. The land remains in their hands after the hoax campaign was found fraudulent by a 4-month-long Congressional investigation in 1987....
johnenance 3 years ago
Andreas Schroeder's report about the Tasaday is false. I have tried to find him but cannot. The hoax claim was concocted by factions that wanted to steal the Tasaday's ancestral land that is filled with valuable timber and minerals. They still live there. Eighteen scientists have documented the Tasaday as living in their rainforest for generations. I was a pallbearer in the funeral of Elizalde, who died of cancer in Manila, in 1997, far from penniless and not addicted to crack.
johnenance 2 years ago
Hi opgil--glad you found the videos useful. Yes, that's my real name.
johnenance 3 years ago
Hi John. Thanks for the videos. Very educational. By the way, is John Nance your real name?
opgil 3 years ago