To my distress, when you consider this argument, you have to look at what women are asking for in a mate. All the traits he said not to be in your man box is the exact definition of what women are looking for in choosing a mate even if that potential mate is going through other women, they will wait for their turn before they even consider taking a sensitive, nice guy.
@Kandimann sorry but this is amongst the biggest load of woeful bollocks i have ever read in my life. some woman are prepared to put up with arse holes, some woman wait and see what transpires in a relationship, but i bet very few woman deliberately go looking for men that are sexist. most woman would die happy knowing that their partner was a compassionate to them and others.
although sexism is an obvious cycle that exists within generations of men, it helps to see from this mans understanding of his gender that eg sexual harassment, especially by complete strangers, is largely due to mans inadequacy and inability to allow themselves to explore their emotions, which results in poor understanding of other peoples dignity and human rights. i know that not all men are incapable of emotional expression, but far too many are.
@karlsmith00 Males 'invented' language? And 'let' us use it? Lol what a sexist prick. Also I can't get over the hateful exchange that's happening under this positive video.
@karlsmith00 "i'm done now." Tuckered yourself out trying to keep up with men did ya little dumb-dumb? That's okay. More room for men and real intelligence to start discussing getting you back in your place. Oh and before you go remember what I said on the other video, turkey and ham on rye please.
@karlsmith00 "and that's right, you've invented nothing. BECAUSE YOU'RE A NOBODY." I guess that means that you and all of the female gender are nobodies (I know there are one or two who piggy-backed on a male inventor and somehow got credit, but I consider that so infinitesimal as to be non-existent). Keep projecting and name-calling while we subtly cure you poor dumb-dumbs of these burdens outside the kitchen by getting you back there or putting regulator chips in your brains.
@karlsmith00 Lol I'll admit we do say it a lot, but it's only because it's true. And I'm not arguing, I'm just trying to help you by informing you where your biological place is (in the kitchen making a sandwich ;D) so you can allay the horrible confusion I'm sure you're experiencing being away from it.
And please try and learn the meaning of irony. You say we have trouble with language. Can you clarify because I believe you're speaking of the language WE invented and LET you use.
@karlsmith00 Shhh shh. Quiet, sweetie. I know PMSing and estrogen have sent you on a wild commenting spree on youtube calling others nobodies without the slightest hint of irony. Also, stop misdirecting and skirting (no pun intended =P) the issue and give us a list once and for all of what women have invented (before you ask, no, I haven't invented anything just like you). Don't worry the discomfort and confusion causing this will end soon when we have you back in the kitchen.
@karlsmith00 It's women like you who in your desperate attempt to say maddening, inflammatory things like "we need another draft" make me laugh at your impotent gender. I'll dog my wife in the mouth just for you, sweetie.
"The four men in the background are like "Yeah, whatever" -_-"
Then how is it the thousands of men watching this video DO care. Or in fact, that the person speaking is a man. Please don't tell me that even after this very compelling speech about how BOTH sexes suffer from our current system, all you can think is "men are ignorant" ...
Maybe they just can't show their feelings, for reasons just described. But why would they attend such a speech, if they were indifferent to the subject?
@karlsmith00 Uh just you saying it won't make me leave. How pathetic are you? Plus I have dual-citizenship. So I can travel freely anywhere in the west and use my Muslim passport to travel freely in the Islamic world :) And FYI I was born here, so I am staying. You get out where you're living! lol
Hey, Dannii Minogue was just granted an "Honorary Doctorate" for her contribution to entertainment. Doctor Dannii is a real symbol of prestige in the modern Uni scene. Encore, who's next?
The one thing that makes discourse with you ultimately pointless, isn't your obnoxious bigotry. It's the fantastical leaps of psychic assumption. The only thing reliable is how consistently they're wrong. Even spiteful feminists in important positions manage to be coherent. Highly unlikely you are one.
One of the subtle causes of the ascension of feminized universities, is the lowering of the entry requirements. Once you tip scale more towards the middle, away from the more premium expectation you see the women, who currently a more condensed to the median starting to predominate. That's phenomena is hardly unique to gender issues. And hardly speaks to the core of fairness in providing education for all.
PS, this is giving you more credit than I would predict, but you wouldn't happen to be a primary school teacher per chance? Yes, when well applied by people who give a shit about their welfare (teachers other than the public system, and people like you), the slew of problems that plague boys in the slanted system start to magically dematerialize, and they're outperforming again. Although, for whatever it's worth, at peak boys are still the highest academic performers, anyway.
But why mention that to you? Your sacred, vagina-powered brain was already one step ahead. It's a spectacle just how much more intelligent you seem every time you open your mouth on the subject of stupidity.
Yeah, it's pretty stupid and ridiculous. Although, it's the strangest thing. In the middle of your embarrassing outburst, you never actually managed to articulate any point or refutation. The highest academic achievements derive from Private Boys only schools, and from the home-schooled environment. Home schoolers also have the highest general average. It's a highly valuable empirical control measure for sociological research, for it's variations on environmental influence.
Why you are comparing primary school to college is also mysterious. For a start, near adult females are far more emotionally independent than children. Secondly, females feature prominently in almost all areas of the college academia.
And it doesn't especially matter, anyway. All your carry on is going to account for nothing, and many attentions are now turning to the way boys are being pathlogized and alienated by the schooling system. Once you get away from the public system, and into private Boys Grammar and Home Schooling, the boys are still the highest academic achievers. Should I start ranting hate-speech like you, now?
This one is scratching the surface and it's a definite rabbit hole. I'm all for female attendance in colleges, but there's one notion from the primordial state of education that I've always found intriguing. The origin of information in schools. If women are as superior as you imply, they could have conceived of their own awesome knowledge, and passed it among themselves. And it's a problem for you to get around. Slow, lazy, unfocused, yet, the source of the knowledge you sought.
You're either a pathological bigot, or a self-amusing flamer. Hell, maybe even a covert MRA deliberately stirring up vigorous opposition in the male population. Whatever your particular brand of crazy is, at this point, I find little value in engaging it.
I also highly doubt that any technical field I'm involved in would be of any interest to you. So any hypothetical invention would be flagrantly malign with the same predictable contempt you apply everywhere else. I'm well aware of female invention. It's not my fault that it's not very prominent. I'm not the huffing, puffing nutjob that is denigrating half the human population.
So who should give a fuck about your observations, let alone your hysterical bleating?
And yeah, there is research. Whether it's true or not, is beside the point. The misandrists love to refer to research, which is unceremoniously dismembered for it's unempirical quality. And no, some fathers do beat their kids. But my experience reflects what the research says, that it's more likely to be the mother using violence to reprimand a child. And yes, I've seen the spatula as the weapon of choice on several occasions.
If your reference is some arbitrary 1% of males, what does that make of the female population of invention. Considering this far down the line of privileged encouragement, they're still a vast minority of the patents assigned, and even less of the patents applied? Why would you invoke an argument you can't win? I'm not discussing any inventions of my own, because they're a distraction, not a relevance. Feel free to include your own inventions if you see fit.
@karlsmith00 the interesting thing is that the vast majority of the time this kind of comment is passed of as perfectly fine. Replace the words "male" and "men" with "female" and "women" and it would be rightly condemned as misogynistic rhetoric plagued with ridiculous generalizations. Get the fuck off your high horse.
PS, if you think school hasn't changed, you're even out of touch with the revision of your own flock.
Schools have changed dramatically, to be inhospitable to boys. And it's not merely about curriculum. It's about the social value imparted, and the emotional alienation. Or would you think it appropriate for girls to be educated exclusively by men, without regard for their emotional needs?
Not only is it the research, it's in line with my own observation. The fathers I see around, are generally averse to corporal punishment. The mothers whoop out the spatula and wallop at the drop of a hat, far more generally.
I have several jobs. You've own aspirations seem to amount to internet troll. Yes, Boys are so slow, that they invented the civilization you comfortably inhabit, and the technology you're employing to denigrate them. Anyway, I have no interest here. Later.
And this is another aside altogether. Research persistently indicates that mothers are far more inclined to physical force with children, than fathers are. Do women need to pull their heads out of their asses about corporal punishment? Both genders do it, one apparently more prominently. Does the onus lay in one lap?
When school wasn't befitting women, it was reasonably asserted change was needed. Once accommodation made things unsuited to boys. Hanna Rosin implies that males are stupid.
Whatever personal harm was visited upon you or someone you care about to impart such a toxic view of males in general, was probably pretty harsh. A little context is crucial. I make a point of patience with people harboring views I find hateful, because I don't think a vitriolic counterpoint is productive for anyone. Hate isn't necessarily an intrinsic character trait. It's sometimes a sickness visited upon someone by being the recipient of great wrong. More hate is no kind of cure.
The alienation of the male in cultures aside from this, is a major vulnerability for women to that one. For every man you are presented carrying out some heinous deed in a slanted media, there's a hundred more conducting selfless heroics to facilitate the order of the civilization you inhabit. You don't see me presuming all women twisted sociopaths because Sharon Osbourne saw humor in the emasculation of a man for the crime of wanting a divorce, as a crowd of cackling women gleefully cheered.
The thing that's disconcerting about someone with your attitude, is that you're endangering women. Again, without getting too involved, there is no need to specify demographies to unearth malignant forces. There are ideologies in dislocated regions that are harmful to women (and many indoctrinated women support). No secret right? These are not representative of all men, and they only prevail as a culture because of a convenient natural resource.
I'm hardly going to engage this issue, but war is not merely the byproduct of masculinity. Was Thatcher justified in the war that she waged? What was the motive of her adversary? Human's are naturally symbiotic creatures with a will to provide for the own fold. The limitation of resources and insecurity over the availability is one good template for war. And women have previously endorsed them, gained from their spoils, and shamed men who didn't participate. The world is complex.
You have a drastically limited perception on the nature of conflict, accountability and reality. I don't associate with any men that equate being feminine to being inferior. It's not insulting to women, for men to be jibed about "girliness". It's not about status, it's about inanely targetting (presumed) ill-fitting nature. I'm a man, and I don't get offended on behalf of men, if someone sees criticism in calling a woman "butch". The abuse of myopic paradigms goes both ways.
TED, Chris Anderson, et. al., how about for a change you invite someone who is not a misandrist, actually knows what they are talking about and is empathetic towards men and their suffering? Like the author of "Loving Men, Respecting Women"?
How about you, low and behold, create a TEDMen conference?
@ooooneeee Evidence of him being a misandrist? None. There is no apathy but empathy he has for fellow men. Being critical of normal masculinity is not the same as hating men. My sex is my biology. Masculinity, in contrast, is how society has defined it to be. As a man, I long for a better masculinity. As a man, I yearn for more men like Porter. And I am tired of the bullshit masculinity that society expects men to act out.
@schmendriks - If you consider yourself just an ape, then you would think it's OK to rape, since "you're just an animal". You are not an ape, nor are you a descendant of one! You have a brain that can tell right from wrong! You do not function on instinct or urge alone. And lastly? YOU are looking for excuses to act like an utter ass. Be better than that. A woman is raped in the US every 2 minutes - is that OK with you?! Your answer should not just be no, it should be HELL NO.
@jdelo11, maybe you should read "Sex and Temperament In Three Primitive Societies" by Margaret Mead. Educate yourself, and know that "men act a certain way and women act a another way" because they are taught how to and how not to act from an early age, and not because "different sexes have different tendencies".
This man isn't profound. If this is what you "need to hear", you're a seriously lost and confused man. This guy isn't only miscasting the imperative of the male paradigm. He's pathologizing it. His entire assertive poise is negatively polarized. I'd seek out some wiser and deeper men, if you're in need of some quality reflection on masculinity.
Men are men. Women are women. Why, if we are men, should it be wrong to have a problem with being called girly or a girl. We're not women, we are men. So naturally, we will react when we are told we are something we're not. Why is it so horrible to some people that men act a certain way and women act another way? The different sexes have different tendencies, thats that.
This! right here, speaks to the success of misandry, although I often hesitate to use that word.
In this video, a discussion about the 'societal burdens' on the emerging psyche of 'young males', cannot be had without immediately turning it on upside-down, in that quintessentially feminists victimology hijack.
Simply put, there can be NO male perspective, not even by the male (this narrator) himself. It is so typical these days, it seems normal, even proper!
And just look at the oprah'ish audience composition, and the male-deprecating points they chose to applaud. Among this crowd, his self contempt is right at home.
some people need to go back in history to the beginning and realise that the BES kept secret was that God "the creator" was a woman....Overstand & do your research!
You know, I didn't hear the part where he speaks about the evolution of women in relation to how they've been living in this "man's world" for ages. Nor about the immense power women have gained in the past century (perhaps a little too much a little too fast) and how they're using it. :)
And about it's "man box", i seem to see more screwed-up guys (confused, scared, frustrated) and unsatisfied women (in men - and not particularly sexual) by the year.
"if it would destroy him to be called a girl, what are we then teaching him about girls?" my guess of what he's been told about girls is that they aren't very good at american football.... i don't think that most girls wouldn't like to be told they look like a bloke either....
Amzing video. And the comments are almost all positive which is great but I also realize that if the exact same message had been said by a woman at ted.com, most comments would disagree. When you look at the comments on Sheryl Sandberg's Ted.com video you see the difference in comments between messages of gender equality spoken my men and spoken by women :(
Can I just ask the question of what is inherently wrong about being a "man". Why are we telling men to be more feminine and women to be more masculine?
@Idroppedmycoffee How did you get that he was implying there was anything wrong with being a man from this video? Or, do you think telling men not being abusive and respecting women is the same as telling them to be feminine?
"My liberalization as a man is tied to your liberalization as a woman". Brilliant speech. I just really wish it hadn't been told to an audience of only women.
@AalphaaR Hahaha! Good point. If all a woman did was cry, I think that would be a turn off to a man as well! But showing a bit of vulnerability can be very attractive!
I find it a bit ironic that its framed as if the main reason we should get out of the man box is to benefit women. Men are just as much the victims of societies bullshit as any woman, yet not only do women have their own specific ted conference to themselves, a fundementally male problem that leads to countless problems among men including suicide is turned into a female orientated issue. Kind of sickening.
@randmnumber Everything gets turned into "What women want". Western societies ate gynocentric. It's as if males are insignificant and expendable. Most males are guilty of contributing to this problem by trying to be "real men" all the time and acting like we don't have any problems.
There are some fucked up things that we as men do to woman. But this guy is talking about redefining the whole masculinity role. Though I do see his point of view I rejected whatever bullshit he had to say on how a man should be...
I think he is right-on about almost everything covered in this presentation. The one aspect I take (potential) issue with is his categorical inclusion of "Porn" as a variation of Violence Against Women. While some porn, and arguably most mainstream porn is degrading to women, we should not be quick to label "Porn" generally as inherently misogynistic. Though seemingly counter-intuitive to many, porn (i.e. depictions of sex) can be arguably "feminist", this idea should be part of the discussion.
I'm a Big Brother in New York City. As soon as I heard Tony's speech on TED.com I solicited his services and connected him with our Director of Special Events. I'm happy to report that Big Brothers Big Sisters has just invited Tony to speak at a conference in New York where older high school students coach younger students on violence, healthy relationships and respect.
A good video, though he does generalise a bit, I suppose that's unavoidable. I wasn't raised to objectifiy women in the same way he was, but there are still elements on that in my culture. I've never viewed women as property though, I hate it when men treat women like that.
@mxh326 there are plenty of men in the room, just a majority are women. Notice in the beginning when he says that some things about being a man is simply "twisted?" The piercing laughs are men's laughter (at least I think), and continue on for some time as he makes other comments. It seems that the men haven't quite grasped yet how serious this man actually is. The women get it immediately, because they know exactly what kind of oppression he's talking about.
@mxh326 not that I disagree your point. No good having a bunch of people continously agreeing with one another and slapping each other on the backs and praising one another for how enlightened they are. Educate the unlearned.
@mxh326 ok, but women also need to see this situation, most of them don't fully understand it or fight against it in any way. Of course it's not their fault...
pity the men who wish to feel and pity the women who wish to not. pity the girl who laughs a little and the boy who cries a lot. pity the men who like to think soft and the women who like to think hard. pity adults, and pity the children, pity them all who are scarred. :(
Please disable comments for this video because there are still too many un-evolved people in the world that aren't ready for the truth. If you share it with people, (which I would encourage you to do) use wimp.com where comments can't be left.
@stopthecrimevmp2 ...women have a higher percentage in this country than man. More men work because more men apply for jobs, but of the women that apply for those jobs, more women are likely to get, said job. Spousal abuse against males is reported to be equal with men, who simply report instances of abuse less frequently. I don't think you even watched this video.
@akshunyob Exactly. The day women can go out with hairy legs and the day that men can go out in make up with neither group being made fun of, then we know we're going in the right direction.
Men are so often denied their emotions by both men and women. Women are denied their intellect by both men and women
I know there are guys who are irritated by how many women act and are stupid intentionally? How many girls are irritated by men not taking them seriously, despite being as or more qualified?
@AshillaBeige ...That has nothing to do with anything. Sexual traits that we keep, have no value on our actions whatsoever. That is something we need to work on with how we deal with situations. Our looks and how we present ourselves have to do with either personal confidence, or attempting to attract someone. Which have nothing to do with "the right direction". There are larger fish to fry than that. As far as taking someone seriously, you have to prove it, and earn it. You can't just HAVE it.
The more outlandish their claims the better. If they just muttered somewhat believable falsehoods, people would buy into it much more easily. But statements like " Anyone who only thinks of women as sex-things is a clear pedo" are just so far removed from reality that even someone who has never given a thought to any gender related topic will brand the person as insane.
Sorry, but a whore is someone who offers sex in exchange for money.
It's called a high school diploma, although I guess you have yet to obtain it since you obviously havn't even gotten to eleventh grade. Honestly, noone with half a life to speak of sits behind their computer and attempts to virtually anger someone they've never heard of. It's sad to the point where it's amusing. And that's why I've decided to pick at it.
@akshunyob I hope you don't have a daughter. Anyone who only thinks of women as sex-things is a clear pedo.
You enjoy calling your wife a whore?
Also, you wanna go on any topic, I will whoop your ass. I'm far more educated in my pinky than you are. And no, it's not because of "affirmative action" got me through university. It's because I, like all women in high skilled fields, worked my ass off.
You, some sex-crazed misogynist slob, are no more than dog shit on the shoes of women like me.
@sdrawkcabgnipytmi You should read the rest of the dude's comments. He goes on and on about how women are all and only whores and sluts, and goes ON and ON in detail, and then goes on about how he's a father. Yeeeah...
In cultures where women are viewed only as sex objects eg Islam, pedophilia is rampant (Saudi Arabia's 9-year-old brides), so it's NOT much of a stretch.
Yea I'm pretty sure he's just saying that to piss you off.
But your statement is still absurd. Correlation doesn't equal causation. Besides, there are plenty of men in the west who view women as objects without being pedophiliacs.
Also, there's a much better correlation with religiosity and pedophilia. So why don't I just say that anyone who's religious is a pedophile.
@sdrawkcabgnipytmi Ah, but there's a much stronger association with misogyny than religiosity; however, religiosity often inspires the former. But I was saying that as a joke anyway.
And I didn't commit a correlation/causation fallacy as I didn't... correlate.
From someone who's done a shit ton of stats, people on the internet need to know what correlation means, generally.
What kind of "father" has the time to sit behind his computer and troll youtube videos?
The kind who's wife/kids left him!!
Anyways, looking over the past few pages of comments, all you've proven is that you have absolutely nothing better to do than respond to all these comments in a sad attempt to troll.
Try Real Life, it has real sex instead of the kind you've been partaking in with your hand.
@akshunyob If you're married with kids, I sincerely fear for their future.
Also, the pay gap exists in many countries still. It may have been formally declared extinct, but if you think men and women are treated as equals on the job market, you're really naive.
I really cant beleieve the comments I see, this just proves how right he is and I have to say I agree with him; however there are a few good men out their and hopefully their lil boys learn and pass it on so that this world might change for the better.
Each man came from a woman who gave them life so we should mean something more than property.
@akshunyob The idea of a gender role is wrong, it has already been researched and debunked by Cordelia Fine in her book "Delusions of Gender." Woman and men do not have to conform to stereotypical gender binaries that has been set by our society. Stepping out of the illusion of a gender role does not mean you're against nature, because the role of a gender is not presumed by society but by yourself. Tell me, which 'male rights' are feminists attacking?
@akshunyob Are men being oppressed? Do men have to fight to get equal pay for equal work? Did men have to fight to get a right to vote? Did men have to fight to be free from sexual harassment at a workplace? Feminism does empower women to fight for equal rights. But it also empowers men to rethink their privilege. Before trying to debunk feminism, study it first. The word feminism has its roots from women's rights but it does not exclude men. Men can be feminists too.
@akshunyob LOLWAT. Feminism is a hate movement? WHAT?! Feminism is an equality movement against patriarchal misogynist cisgendered privileged people like yourself. How could you not hate women if you're against feminism? If you're against feminism you're against gender equality.
@akshunyob Glad your point of view is as great as your grammar. Lets begin with your austistic ignorance.
First off ,if they destroy masculinity, you would have alot to be worried about now wouldn't you.? Secondly, masculinity is not even leadership, its a belief among people much like femininity, which really contradicts itself because your following what everyone else created, so leadership is only an ego away. Woman have roles, and they choose them.
@akshunyob I'm sorry but this is patently ridiculous. You can't claim to love women if you honestly believe that you should have the right to rape them and that that's a "good" thing. And in case you haven't noticed, feminists rarely go around saying things like that about men. Also, why are you now saying men and women are equal? In your last reply to me you said that men are naturally "top dog." even if that were true,it would be the definition of inequality. I really don't get you.
@akshunyob I would just go ahead and assume you're gay, since that would be the only way you could have a relationship with an 'equal.' But, since men who hate women are usually homophobes too, I just feel sorry for any woman who comes near you.
@akshunyob i'm not sure you help anyone by associating femininity with soft, yielding, passive and masculinity with hard and aggressive; in fact, I think Tony Porter is trying to expose some of the issues with how masculinity is constructed as "hard and aggressive". I fear you missed the point...
@akshunyob Please tell me you 1) are a troll, or 2) don't plan to procreate. Evidence has everything to do with logic and science and very little to do with feminism alone. Playing fair is just a matter of ethics, but I don't expect you to know much about that if this is actually you and not your pernicious internet alter ego doing the talking.
And as long as reasonable men like myself walk this Earth, you will not be able to force sex upon anyone, so you animales can fear men like me (which isn't good, but apparently necessary).
@akshunyob "men are top dog, no amount of dogma from feminism can take away our ability to subdue you and force sex upon you. Its a power we will always have and it makes you fear us, which is good." but, "woman who arent even gender oppressed in the Western world at all"? sorry, but both of these things can't be true at the same time. Actually, neither one is. But you should still pick one and stick with it.
@akshunyob "proof is for feminists"? Are you retarded? No wait, don't answer that. Every post you've made is a testament to how stupid the internet can get.
While I do agree that tolerance is generally a good thing, there are some things on which people cannot reasonably compromise. Trying to artificially deconstruct our natural gender roles is one of those things. There is a reason why birth rates in developed countries is so low.
@furikuri52 The reason birth rates in developed countries is lower is because our babies don't DIE.
There's another TED video on this subject actually, where somebody talked about how if we lower infant mortality in developing countries they'll have less kids and the world population won't get too high.
@furikuri52 Yeah, the low birth rates couldn't possibly be due to the availability of contraceptives in developed countries and other factors. /sarcasm No one's asking men to abandon their masculinity. It's the mentality of society as a whole - that of men and women alike - that needs to change. The sexes have their biological differences, but that doesn't mean they aren't equally valuable and respectable and shouldn't be treated as such. Just saying.
@furikuri52 birth rates in developed countries are low because there's less farms. People don't have lots of kids to help with farm work as often anymore like they used to.
Hey if you'd rather live in a third world country then be my guest.
anyway i do agree it's human nature , and i think man should be the leader for too many reasons , Physically/The ability to handle things woman may be unable to afford , but i don't think crying is something bad for a man , actually i cry all the time even from small things , but believe me i'm man enough to kick you're ass who ever you are LOL
To assert that a man should be in the dominant position, you need to provide reasons why and back them up with scientific studies if you are going to make a claim of human nature.
exactly like what my father was saying to me , he past away now God Bless hem , i never saw hem crying on all my life , even when my Big brother died after he get sick with Cancer he didn't cry but he was sad , God Bless hem
@akshunyob You do have low brain capacity if you think I said anything of the sorts. And the 14 people that agreed with you also have poor reading comprehension skills. But I guess its easy to rage against this message because you don't want to hear it.
in an ideal world = "u heard about jon he mad sensitive he getting women all da time" real world = "u heard about jon he cried during titanic what a homo"
Maybe you should consider enlisting a mental health professional. I am uninterested in listening to your nonsensical ranting. farewell and good luck, I hope you will find your way out of such extreme and irrational hatred one day.
What a great speech!
PleatherGirl 1 day ago
Good talk!
Chromeo33 2 weeks ago
his body language scream subservience and placation smdh in trying to cater to women men make themselves less and less attractive to them.
darthfrosty 1 month ago
To my distress, when you consider this argument, you have to look at what women are asking for in a mate. All the traits he said not to be in your man box is the exact definition of what women are looking for in choosing a mate even if that potential mate is going through other women, they will wait for their turn before they even consider taking a sensitive, nice guy.
Kandimann 1 month ago
@Kandimann sorry but this is amongst the biggest load of woeful bollocks i have ever read in my life. some woman are prepared to put up with arse holes, some woman wait and see what transpires in a relationship, but i bet very few woman deliberately go looking for men that are sexist. most woman would die happy knowing that their partner was a compassionate to them and others.
123jsbach 1 month ago
although sexism is an obvious cycle that exists within generations of men, it helps to see from this mans understanding of his gender that eg sexual harassment, especially by complete strangers, is largely due to mans inadequacy and inability to allow themselves to explore their emotions, which results in poor understanding of other peoples dignity and human rights. i know that not all men are incapable of emotional expression, but far too many are.
123jsbach 1 month ago
What about all the whores like heather mills stealing millions they dont deserve? Yea right Tony: just castrate Paul and blame it on men.
dreamerstays 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 Males 'invented' language? And 'let' us use it? Lol what a sexist prick. Also I can't get over the hateful exchange that's happening under this positive video.
Danceswithyewtube 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 "i'm done now." Tuckered yourself out trying to keep up with men did ya little dumb-dumb? That's okay. More room for men and real intelligence to start discussing getting you back in your place. Oh and before you go remember what I said on the other video, turkey and ham on rye please.
railroadwino1 1 month ago
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@karlsmith00 "and that's right, you've invented nothing. BECAUSE YOU'RE A NOBODY." I guess that means that you and all of the female gender are nobodies (I know there are one or two who piggy-backed on a male inventor and somehow got credit, but I consider that so infinitesimal as to be non-existent). Keep projecting and name-calling while we subtly cure you poor dumb-dumbs of these burdens outside the kitchen by getting you back there or putting regulator chips in your brains.
railroadwino1 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 Lol I'll admit we do say it a lot, but it's only because it's true. And I'm not arguing, I'm just trying to help you by informing you where your biological place is (in the kitchen making a sandwich ;D) so you can allay the horrible confusion I'm sure you're experiencing being away from it.
And please try and learn the meaning of irony. You say we have trouble with language. Can you clarify because I believe you're speaking of the language WE invented and LET you use.
railroadwino1 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 Shhh shh. Quiet, sweetie. I know PMSing and estrogen have sent you on a wild commenting spree on youtube calling others nobodies without the slightest hint of irony. Also, stop misdirecting and skirting (no pun intended =P) the issue and give us a list once and for all of what women have invented (before you ask, no, I haven't invented anything just like you). Don't worry the discomfort and confusion causing this will end soon when we have you back in the kitchen.
railroadwino1 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 It's women like you who in your desperate attempt to say maddening, inflammatory things like "we need another draft" make me laugh at your impotent gender. I'll dog my wife in the mouth just for you, sweetie.
railroadwino1 1 month ago
great video
mohammedNS1990 2 months ago
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This happened in Delhi, India. It is an attempted gang rape disrupted by the police.
My country is sinking.
watch?v=QNNszU-KpqQ
asimplerman 2 months ago
Excellent!
bp0407 2 months ago
i remember watching this in sociology class a couple weeks ago.. the class is made up of all girls and we almost all came to tears :')
CrystalHoshizora 3 months ago
"The four men in the background are like "Yeah, whatever" -_-"
Then how is it the thousands of men watching this video DO care. Or in fact, that the person speaking is a man. Please don't tell me that even after this very compelling speech about how BOTH sexes suffer from our current system, all you can think is "men are ignorant" ...
Maybe they just can't show their feelings, for reasons just described. But why would they attend such a speech, if they were indifferent to the subject?
Fulgrim88 3 months ago
@karlsmith00 Uh just you saying it won't make me leave. How pathetic are you? Plus I have dual-citizenship. So I can travel freely anywhere in the west and use my Muslim passport to travel freely in the Islamic world :) And FYI I was born here, so I am staying. You get out where you're living! lol
supermankhan 3 months ago
@karlsmith00 Poor you. You are soo misguided. Your heart is closed. Good luck. Peace.
supermankhan 4 months ago
Hey, Dannii Minogue was just granted an "Honorary Doctorate" for her contribution to entertainment. Doctor Dannii is a real symbol of prestige in the modern Uni scene. Encore, who's next?
The one thing that makes discourse with you ultimately pointless, isn't your obnoxious bigotry. It's the fantastical leaps of psychic assumption. The only thing reliable is how consistently they're wrong. Even spiteful feminists in important positions manage to be coherent. Highly unlikely you are one.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
One of the subtle causes of the ascension of feminized universities, is the lowering of the entry requirements. Once you tip scale more towards the middle, away from the more premium expectation you see the women, who currently a more condensed to the median starting to predominate. That's phenomena is hardly unique to gender issues. And hardly speaks to the core of fairness in providing education for all.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
PS, this is giving you more credit than I would predict, but you wouldn't happen to be a primary school teacher per chance? Yes, when well applied by people who give a shit about their welfare (teachers other than the public system, and people like you), the slew of problems that plague boys in the slanted system start to magically dematerialize, and they're outperforming again. Although, for whatever it's worth, at peak boys are still the highest academic performers, anyway.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
But why mention that to you? Your sacred, vagina-powered brain was already one step ahead. It's a spectacle just how much more intelligent you seem every time you open your mouth on the subject of stupidity.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
@karlsmith00
Yeah, it's pretty stupid and ridiculous. Although, it's the strangest thing. In the middle of your embarrassing outburst, you never actually managed to articulate any point or refutation. The highest academic achievements derive from Private Boys only schools, and from the home-schooled environment. Home schoolers also have the highest general average. It's a highly valuable empirical control measure for sociological research, for it's variations on environmental influence.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
@karlsmith00
Why you are comparing primary school to college is also mysterious. For a start, near adult females are far more emotionally independent than children. Secondly, females feature prominently in almost all areas of the college academia.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
@karlsmith00
And it doesn't especially matter, anyway. All your carry on is going to account for nothing, and many attentions are now turning to the way boys are being pathlogized and alienated by the schooling system. Once you get away from the public system, and into private Boys Grammar and Home Schooling, the boys are still the highest academic achievers. Should I start ranting hate-speech like you, now?
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
@karlsmith00
This one is scratching the surface and it's a definite rabbit hole. I'm all for female attendance in colleges, but there's one notion from the primordial state of education that I've always found intriguing. The origin of information in schools. If women are as superior as you imply, they could have conceived of their own awesome knowledge, and passed it among themselves. And it's a problem for you to get around. Slow, lazy, unfocused, yet, the source of the knowledge you sought.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
You're either a pathological bigot, or a self-amusing flamer. Hell, maybe even a covert MRA deliberately stirring up vigorous opposition in the male population. Whatever your particular brand of crazy is, at this point, I find little value in engaging it.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
I also highly doubt that any technical field I'm involved in would be of any interest to you. So any hypothetical invention would be flagrantly malign with the same predictable contempt you apply everywhere else. I'm well aware of female invention. It's not my fault that it's not very prominent. I'm not the huffing, puffing nutjob that is denigrating half the human population.
So who should give a fuck about your observations, let alone your hysterical bleating?
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
And yeah, there is research. Whether it's true or not, is beside the point. The misandrists love to refer to research, which is unceremoniously dismembered for it's unempirical quality. And no, some fathers do beat their kids. But my experience reflects what the research says, that it's more likely to be the mother using violence to reprimand a child. And yes, I've seen the spatula as the weapon of choice on several occasions.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
@karlsmith00
If your reference is some arbitrary 1% of males, what does that make of the female population of invention. Considering this far down the line of privileged encouragement, they're still a vast minority of the patents assigned, and even less of the patents applied? Why would you invoke an argument you can't win? I'm not discussing any inventions of my own, because they're a distraction, not a relevance. Feel free to include your own inventions if you see fit.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
@karlsmith00 the interesting thing is that the vast majority of the time this kind of comment is passed of as perfectly fine. Replace the words "male" and "men" with "female" and "women" and it would be rightly condemned as misogynistic rhetoric plagued with ridiculous generalizations. Get the fuck off your high horse.
randmnumber 4 months ago
PS, if you think school hasn't changed, you're even out of touch with the revision of your own flock.
Schools have changed dramatically, to be inhospitable to boys. And it's not merely about curriculum. It's about the social value imparted, and the emotional alienation. Or would you think it appropriate for girls to be educated exclusively by men, without regard for their emotional needs?
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
@karlsmith00
Not only is it the research, it's in line with my own observation. The fathers I see around, are generally averse to corporal punishment. The mothers whoop out the spatula and wallop at the drop of a hat, far more generally.
I have several jobs. You've own aspirations seem to amount to internet troll. Yes, Boys are so slow, that they invented the civilization you comfortably inhabit, and the technology you're employing to denigrate them. Anyway, I have no interest here. Later.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
@KadrickNinness
**Your own aspirations**
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
And this is another aside altogether. Research persistently indicates that mothers are far more inclined to physical force with children, than fathers are. Do women need to pull their heads out of their asses about corporal punishment? Both genders do it, one apparently more prominently. Does the onus lay in one lap?
When school wasn't befitting women, it was reasonably asserted change was needed. Once accommodation made things unsuited to boys. Hanna Rosin implies that males are stupid.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
Whatever personal harm was visited upon you or someone you care about to impart such a toxic view of males in general, was probably pretty harsh. A little context is crucial. I make a point of patience with people harboring views I find hateful, because I don't think a vitriolic counterpoint is productive for anyone. Hate isn't necessarily an intrinsic character trait. It's sometimes a sickness visited upon someone by being the recipient of great wrong. More hate is no kind of cure.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
The alienation of the male in cultures aside from this, is a major vulnerability for women to that one. For every man you are presented carrying out some heinous deed in a slanted media, there's a hundred more conducting selfless heroics to facilitate the order of the civilization you inhabit. You don't see me presuming all women twisted sociopaths because Sharon Osbourne saw humor in the emasculation of a man for the crime of wanting a divorce, as a crowd of cackling women gleefully cheered.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
The thing that's disconcerting about someone with your attitude, is that you're endangering women. Again, without getting too involved, there is no need to specify demographies to unearth malignant forces. There are ideologies in dislocated regions that are harmful to women (and many indoctrinated women support). No secret right? These are not representative of all men, and they only prevail as a culture because of a convenient natural resource.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
@karlsmith00
I'm hardly going to engage this issue, but war is not merely the byproduct of masculinity. Was Thatcher justified in the war that she waged? What was the motive of her adversary? Human's are naturally symbiotic creatures with a will to provide for the own fold. The limitation of resources and insecurity over the availability is one good template for war. And women have previously endorsed them, gained from their spoils, and shamed men who didn't participate. The world is complex.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
@karlsmith00
You have a drastically limited perception on the nature of conflict, accountability and reality. I don't associate with any men that equate being feminine to being inferior. It's not insulting to women, for men to be jibed about "girliness". It's not about status, it's about inanely targetting (presumed) ill-fitting nature. I'm a man, and I don't get offended on behalf of men, if someone sees criticism in calling a woman "butch". The abuse of myopic paradigms goes both ways.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
@JPVeigaaaa That's why more woman in the west are reverting to Islam because they know what modesty and respect is my friend.
supermankhan 4 months ago
The four men in the background are like "Yeah, whatever" -_-
xard89 4 months ago
TED, Chris Anderson, et. al., how about for a change you invite someone who is not a misandrist, actually knows what they are talking about and is empathetic towards men and their suffering? Like the author of "Loving Men, Respecting Women"?
How about you, low and behold, create a TEDMen conference?
Until then, GTFO with this old biased bullshit.
ooooneeee 4 months ago 5
@ooooneeee Evidence of him being a misandrist? None. There is no apathy but empathy he has for fellow men. Being critical of normal masculinity is not the same as hating men. My sex is my biology. Masculinity, in contrast, is how society has defined it to be. As a man, I long for a better masculinity. As a man, I yearn for more men like Porter. And I am tired of the bullshit masculinity that society expects men to act out.
NoMoreMasters 1 month ago 7
one sided simpleton argumentation, gets alot of cheers and claps on talkshows and foxnews maybe, but this shit doesnt fly with me
this argumentation is biased and has a weak foundation once you think about it.
the female mind /society is equally fucked up and to blame as the male mind/society.
since we are all just evolved APES who ACT on PRIMAL programming, the problem starts when society tries to bend us into something we are NOT
schmendriks 4 months ago
@schmendriks - If you consider yourself just an ape, then you would think it's OK to rape, since "you're just an animal". You are not an ape, nor are you a descendant of one! You have a brain that can tell right from wrong! You do not function on instinct or urge alone. And lastly? YOU are looking for excuses to act like an utter ass. Be better than that. A woman is raped in the US every 2 minutes - is that OK with you?! Your answer should not just be no, it should be HELL NO.
amylh322 1 week ago
@jdelo11, maybe you should read "Sex and Temperament In Three Primitive Societies" by Margaret Mead. Educate yourself, and know that "men act a certain way and women act a another way" because they are taught how to and how not to act from an early age, and not because "different sexes have different tendencies".
Swiizsy 4 months ago
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TBO1491 4 months ago
As a man, this is something I need to hear.
BlaqueInkChannel 4 months ago
@BlaqueInkChannel
This man isn't profound. If this is what you "need to hear", you're a seriously lost and confused man. This guy isn't only miscasting the imperative of the male paradigm. He's pathologizing it. His entire assertive poise is negatively polarized. I'd seek out some wiser and deeper men, if you're in need of some quality reflection on masculinity.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
@KadrickNinness Explain.
BlaqueInkChannel 4 months ago
@BlaqueInkChannel
No time now.
Will make some later.
KadrickNinness 4 months ago
ISLAM WILL FIX ALL THIS!!
supermankhan 4 months ago
Men are men. Women are women. Why, if we are men, should it be wrong to have a problem with being called girly or a girl. We're not women, we are men. So naturally, we will react when we are told we are something we're not. Why is it so horrible to some people that men act a certain way and women act another way? The different sexes have different tendencies, thats that.
jdelo11 4 months ago
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Societal burdens Young males:
This! right here, speaks to the success of misandry, although I often hesitate to use that word.
In this video, a discussion about the 'societal burdens' on the emerging psyche of 'young males', cannot be had without immediately turning it on upside-down, in that quintessentially feminists victimology hijack.
tubebility 5 months ago
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Simply put, there can be NO male perspective, not even by the male (this narrator) himself. It is so typical these days, it seems normal, even proper!
And just look at the oprah'ish audience composition, and the male-deprecating points they chose to applaud. Among this crowd, his self contempt is right at home.
tubebility 5 months ago
wiki "BES"
bhuddamafiaa 5 months ago
some people need to go back in history to the beginning and realise that the BES kept secret was that God "the creator" was a woman....Overstand & do your research!
bhuddamafiaa 5 months ago
You know, I didn't hear the part where he speaks about the evolution of women in relation to how they've been living in this "man's world" for ages. Nor about the immense power women have gained in the past century (perhaps a little too much a little too fast) and how they're using it. :)
And about it's "man box", i seem to see more screwed-up guys (confused, scared, frustrated) and unsatisfied women (in men - and not particularly sexual) by the year.
Funny, eh?
edyshor 5 months ago
As a man, you do not speak for me.
Sivels 6 months ago
Men's liberation is a necessity for the freedom of women, and vice versa.
niriop 6 months ago
"if it would destroy him to be called a girl, what are we then teaching him about girls?" my guess of what he's been told about girls is that they aren't very good at american football.... i don't think that most girls wouldn't like to be told they look like a bloke either....
g2thaz 6 months ago
@g2thaz *would
g2thaz 6 months ago
Amzing video. And the comments are almost all positive which is great but I also realize that if the exact same message had been said by a woman at ted.com, most comments would disagree. When you look at the comments on Sheryl Sandberg's Ted.com video you see the difference in comments between messages of gender equality spoken my men and spoken by women :(
axelle32 6 months ago 23
10:05 way to judge all porn. not all of it is bad.
gotubeogle 7 months ago
119 people are still trapped in their man-box!
bigbadndn 7 months ago
one of my fav talks. =)
Crazee108 7 months ago
Can I just ask the question of what is inherently wrong about being a "man". Why are we telling men to be more feminine and women to be more masculine?
Idroppedmycoffee 7 months ago
@Idroppedmycoffee Try to watch it again, maybe 2 more times. That's not at all what he, or anyone, is saying.
Cacaw1 6 months ago
@Idroppedmycoffee How did you get that he was implying there was anything wrong with being a man from this video? Or, do you think telling men not being abusive and respecting women is the same as telling them to be feminine?
atrapforfools 6 months ago
"My liberalization as a man is tied to your liberalization as a woman". Brilliant speech. I just really wish it hadn't been told to an audience of only women.
axelle32 7 months ago
Be warned; once you express your emotions to women, like crying and stuff, their attraction to you will start to decline.
AalphaaR 7 months ago
@AalphaaR bullshit
sondano 7 months ago 2
@AalphaaR Hahaha! Good point. If all a woman did was cry, I think that would be a turn off to a man as well! But showing a bit of vulnerability can be very attractive!
Cacaw1 6 months ago
he is a awesome story teller! think he got all the girls in his young age
raazs35 8 months ago
10:57. Bottom Right. There's a dude in that crowd.
fauxman 8 months ago
I find it a bit ironic that its framed as if the main reason we should get out of the man box is to benefit women. Men are just as much the victims of societies bullshit as any woman, yet not only do women have their own specific ted conference to themselves, a fundementally male problem that leads to countless problems among men including suicide is turned into a female orientated issue. Kind of sickening.
randmnumber 8 months ago 11
@randmnumber At the end of the video he says that the SAME problem that limits women, limits men.
JePawsBo 8 months ago 3
@randmnumber Everything gets turned into "What women want". Western societies ate gynocentric. It's as if males are insignificant and expendable. Most males are guilty of contributing to this problem by trying to be "real men" all the time and acting like we don't have any problems.
rep5281 8 months ago 4
@randmnumber *Are*
rep5281 8 months ago
@clifforderasmus
Actually, anybody that wasn't a sexist ass liked the video.
kylerweaver 9 months ago
is it wrong for a 20 yr old man to take these messages to correct myself now than later even though ppl my age would not be the same!
Adjei88 9 months ago
poor feminine male...i guess the gays and masculine females must of liked the video
clifforderasmus 9 months ago
There are some fucked up things that we as men do to woman. But this guy is talking about redefining the whole masculinity role. Though I do see his point of view I rejected whatever bullshit he had to say on how a man should be...
BscarfaceM 9 months ago
@BscarfaceM
why is that
mellamosean 7 months ago
everything's true
1o11h 10 months ago
I was with him for the first minute.... then he lost me
jimmanybears 11 months ago
I think he is right-on about almost everything covered in this presentation. The one aspect I take (potential) issue with is his categorical inclusion of "Porn" as a variation of Violence Against Women. While some porn, and arguably most mainstream porn is degrading to women, we should not be quick to label "Porn" generally as inherently misogynistic. Though seemingly counter-intuitive to many, porn (i.e. depictions of sex) can be arguably "feminist", this idea should be part of the discussion.
teejmahal 11 months ago 29
@teejmahal I agree- the idea of what's degrading and what's not is highly subjective.
sayastra 10 months ago
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trancetunes 7 months ago
@teejmahal Perhaps, but he is not the right person to make that argument, lol.
LeVidocq 6 months ago
don't tread on my man-box
gotubeogle 11 months ago 2
I'm a Big Brother in New York City. As soon as I heard Tony's speech on TED.com I solicited his services and connected him with our Director of Special Events. I'm happy to report that Big Brothers Big Sisters has just invited Tony to speak at a conference in New York where older high school students coach younger students on violence, healthy relationships and respect.
Go Tony.
idlewild 11 months ago 3
@idlewild You are Marvelous. Bravo! =D
1oErdoben 10 months ago 3
A good video, though he does generalise a bit, I suppose that's unavoidable. I wasn't raised to objectifiy women in the same way he was, but there are still elements on that in my culture. I've never viewed women as property though, I hate it when men treat women like that.
Restayvien 11 months ago
He’s having this talk in a room full of women- preaching to the choir. This discussion needs to be had among men.
mxh326 11 months ago 68
@mxh326 there are plenty of men in the room, just a majority are women. Notice in the beginning when he says that some things about being a man is simply "twisted?" The piercing laughs are men's laughter (at least I think), and continue on for some time as he makes other comments. It seems that the men haven't quite grasped yet how serious this man actually is. The women get it immediately, because they know exactly what kind of oppression he's talking about.
balkanbobino 11 months ago
@mxh326 not that I disagree your point. No good having a bunch of people continously agreeing with one another and slapping each other on the backs and praising one another for how enlightened they are. Educate the unlearned.
balkanbobino 11 months ago
@mxh326 Well there are soom men in the room, but yeah it's mostly women. Imo it should be the other way around.
euphoriawarrior88 9 months ago
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ssayid 4 months ago
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@mxh326 ok, but women also need to see this situation, most of them don't fully understand it or fight against it in any way. Of course it's not their fault...
ssayid 4 months ago
Judging from the comments and video itself this "gangsta culture" is a serious social and mental problem.
Gangztards you are no tough, you are sick, you need help!
SEThatered 11 months ago
Exactly
Punkero245 1 year ago
pity the men who wish to feel and pity the women who wish to not. pity the girl who laughs a little and the boy who cries a lot. pity the men who like to think soft and the women who like to think hard. pity adults, and pity the children, pity them all who are scarred. :(
BeeAre 1 year ago
This entire comment thread is an example of the problems we need to resolve. On BOTH sides.
coolwhoami 1 year ago
"A call to men": but the majority of the audience are women. Tsk
HeadBangTheory 1 year ago 4
wow stunning and amazing that you shared this Thank You
trotwoodtrouble 1 year ago
Please disable comments for this video because there are still too many un-evolved people in the world that aren't ready for the truth. If you share it with people, (which I would encourage you to do) use wimp.com where comments can't be left.
merhlin 1 year ago
@stopthecrimevmp2 ...women have a higher percentage in this country than man. More men work because more men apply for jobs, but of the women that apply for those jobs, more women are likely to get, said job. Spousal abuse against males is reported to be equal with men, who simply report instances of abuse less frequently. I don't think you even watched this video.
TheGreenPlague 1 year ago 2
@akshunyob Exactly. The day women can go out with hairy legs and the day that men can go out in make up with neither group being made fun of, then we know we're going in the right direction.
Men are so often denied their emotions by both men and women. Women are denied their intellect by both men and women
I know there are guys who are irritated by how many women act and are stupid intentionally? How many girls are irritated by men not taking them seriously, despite being as or more qualified?
AshillaBeige 1 year ago 5
@AshillaBeige ...That has nothing to do with anything. Sexual traits that we keep, have no value on our actions whatsoever. That is something we need to work on with how we deal with situations. Our looks and how we present ourselves have to do with either personal confidence, or attempting to attract someone. Which have nothing to do with "the right direction". There are larger fish to fry than that. As far as taking someone seriously, you have to prove it, and earn it. You can't just HAVE it.
TheGreenPlague 1 year ago 2
@akshunyob So your wife is a whore, then. So's your mother hm?
Not particularly interested in 41 year old men with enough free time to go on about his sexual repression on the internet.
Shit, I'm 20 years younger than you and I already have a financial math degree. All you seem to be able to do is pop out rat bastard children.
AshillaBeige 1 year ago
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@akshunyob
The more outlandish their claims the better. If they just muttered somewhat believable falsehoods, people would buy into it much more easily. But statements like " Anyone who only thinks of women as sex-things is a clear pedo" are just so far removed from reality that even someone who has never given a thought to any gender related topic will brand the person as insane.
sdrawkcabgnipytmi 1 year ago
Sorry, but a whore is someone who offers sex in exchange for money.
It's called a high school diploma, although I guess you have yet to obtain it since you obviously havn't even gotten to eleventh grade. Honestly, noone with half a life to speak of sits behind their computer and attempts to virtually anger someone they've never heard of. It's sad to the point where it's amusing. And that's why I've decided to pick at it.
Shh, the KKK are calling for you.
Stick to sodomizing other men. xoxo
hipeeyip 1 year ago
Like a what ? Like a BOSS !
n0th1ng2 1 year ago
@akshunyob I hope you don't have a daughter. Anyone who only thinks of women as sex-things is a clear pedo.
You enjoy calling your wife a whore?
Also, you wanna go on any topic, I will whoop your ass. I'm far more educated in my pinky than you are. And no, it's not because of "affirmative action" got me through university. It's because I, like all women in high skilled fields, worked my ass off.
You, some sex-crazed misogynist slob, are no more than dog shit on the shoes of women like me.
AshillaBeige 1 year ago
@AshillaBeige
Don't worry about him, he is just a troll.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@AshillaBeige
" Anyone who only thinks of women as sex-things is a clear pedo."
What...? Your grip on reality must be rather tenuous.
sdrawkcabgnipytmi 1 year ago
@sdrawkcabgnipytmi You should read the rest of the dude's comments. He goes on and on about how women are all and only whores and sluts, and goes ON and ON in detail, and then goes on about how he's a father. Yeeeah...
In cultures where women are viewed only as sex objects eg Islam, pedophilia is rampant (Saudi Arabia's 9-year-old brides), so it's NOT much of a stretch.
AshillaBeige 1 year ago
@AshillaBeige
Yea I'm pretty sure he's just saying that to piss you off.
But your statement is still absurd. Correlation doesn't equal causation. Besides, there are plenty of men in the west who view women as objects without being pedophiliacs.
Also, there's a much better correlation with religiosity and pedophilia. So why don't I just say that anyone who's religious is a pedophile.
sdrawkcabgnipytmi 1 year ago
@sdrawkcabgnipytmi Ah, but there's a much stronger association with misogyny than religiosity; however, religiosity often inspires the former. But I was saying that as a joke anyway.
And I didn't commit a correlation/causation fallacy as I didn't... correlate.
From someone who's done a shit ton of stats, people on the internet need to know what correlation means, generally.
AshillaBeige 1 year ago
@AshillaBeige
My mistake, you're right. You didn't correlate, I misused the word there.
sdrawkcabgnipytmi 1 year ago
@akshunyob HAHAHA. Yeah, you're clearly ALL for equality. That's why you depict half the world's population as whores.
Great lolgic there.
Way to prove your backwardness with your medieval notions that sex = filth.
Men and women are pretty much equally promiscuous. It takes 2 to tango.
Come back when you've grown up and learned to use commas.
Furthermore, a lot of anti-discrimination laws keep women OUT of the work as they turn us into walking law suits. Same goes for non-whites.
AshillaBeige 1 year ago
@akshunyob LMAO what kind of father comments on youtube boards and talks about trolling XD
You should have kept that shit to yourself. Go teach your kids to read or do math or something useful.
Parenting fail.
AshillaBeige 1 year ago
@akshunyob
Question time kiddies!
What kind of "father" has the time to sit behind his computer and troll youtube videos?
The kind who's wife/kids left him!!
Anyways, looking over the past few pages of comments, all you've proven is that you have absolutely nothing better to do than respond to all these comments in a sad attempt to troll.
Try Real Life, it has real sex instead of the kind you've been partaking in with your hand.
hipeeyip 1 year ago
@akshunyob If you're married with kids, I sincerely fear for their future.
Also, the pay gap exists in many countries still. It may have been formally declared extinct, but if you think men and women are treated as equals on the job market, you're really naive.
Qaoz 1 year ago
Lolkay, internet tough guy. I believe in everything you say. Derp.
petsnooze 1 year ago
@akshunyob To defend my comment, it did end up revealing you as a troll. So in that way it could be considered a success.
porsche911sbs 1 year ago
I really cant beleieve the comments I see, this just proves how right he is and I have to say I agree with him; however there are a few good men out their and hopefully their lil boys learn and pass it on so that this world might change for the better.
Each man came from a woman who gave them life so we should mean something more than property.
macredrover 1 year ago
I can see I've made akshunyob blow a fuse. Sorry, everyone.
chriswjp 1 year ago
@chriswjp Oh he's just mad that he's never gotten laid. And probably never will (at least I hope he won't).
porsche911sbs 1 year ago
Moral of the speech: Be Your True Self.
The3nlightened0ne 1 year ago
@akshunyob The idea of a gender role is wrong, it has already been researched and debunked by Cordelia Fine in her book "Delusions of Gender." Woman and men do not have to conform to stereotypical gender binaries that has been set by our society. Stepping out of the illusion of a gender role does not mean you're against nature, because the role of a gender is not presumed by society but by yourself. Tell me, which 'male rights' are feminists attacking?
petsnooze 1 year ago
@akshunyob Are men being oppressed? Do men have to fight to get equal pay for equal work? Did men have to fight to get a right to vote? Did men have to fight to be free from sexual harassment at a workplace? Feminism does empower women to fight for equal rights. But it also empowers men to rethink their privilege. Before trying to debunk feminism, study it first. The word feminism has its roots from women's rights but it does not exclude men. Men can be feminists too.
petsnooze 1 year ago
@akshunyob LOLWAT. Feminism is a hate movement? WHAT?! Feminism is an equality movement against patriarchal misogynist cisgendered privileged people like yourself. How could you not hate women if you're against feminism? If you're against feminism you're against gender equality.
petsnooze 1 year ago
@akshunyob Glad your point of view is as great as your grammar. Lets begin with your austistic ignorance.
First off ,if they destroy masculinity, you would have alot to be worried about now wouldn't you.? Secondly, masculinity is not even leadership, its a belief among people much like femininity, which really contradicts itself because your following what everyone else created, so leadership is only an ego away. Woman have roles, and they choose them.
chriswjp 1 year ago
@akshunyob I'm sorry but this is patently ridiculous. You can't claim to love women if you honestly believe that you should have the right to rape them and that that's a "good" thing. And in case you haven't noticed, feminists rarely go around saying things like that about men. Also, why are you now saying men and women are equal? In your last reply to me you said that men are naturally "top dog." even if that were true,it would be the definition of inequality. I really don't get you.
chriswjp 1 year ago
@akshunyob I would just go ahead and assume you're gay, since that would be the only way you could have a relationship with an 'equal.' But, since men who hate women are usually homophobes too, I just feel sorry for any woman who comes near you.
chriswjp 1 year ago
hey akshun, not that your threats are anything to me but a hig joke (like you), but I'd gouge your eyes out and be done with you.
NachshonR 1 year ago
@akshunyob i'm not sure you help anyone by associating femininity with soft, yielding, passive and masculinity with hard and aggressive; in fact, I think Tony Porter is trying to expose some of the issues with how masculinity is constructed as "hard and aggressive". I fear you missed the point...
takkaria 1 year ago
@akshunyob Please tell me you 1) are a troll, or 2) don't plan to procreate. Evidence has everything to do with logic and science and very little to do with feminism alone. Playing fair is just a matter of ethics, but I don't expect you to know much about that if this is actually you and not your pernicious internet alter ego doing the talking.
megjett 1 year ago
And as long as reasonable men like myself walk this Earth, you will not be able to force sex upon anyone, so you animales can fear men like me (which isn't good, but apparently necessary).
NachshonR 1 year ago
@akshunyob "men are top dog, no amount of dogma from feminism can take away our ability to subdue you and force sex upon you. Its a power we will always have and it makes you fear us, which is good." but, "woman who arent even gender oppressed in the Western world at all"? sorry, but both of these things can't be true at the same time. Actually, neither one is. But you should still pick one and stick with it.
chriswjp 1 year ago
A gentleman is still a man, but a man who feels strong because he dominates a woman is nothing more than a coward.
NachshonR 1 year ago 2
@akshunyob "proof is for feminists"? Are you retarded? No wait, don't answer that. Every post you've made is a testament to how stupid the internet can get.
DeoMachina 1 year ago
If you play football like a girl, then you are never going to make it into the NFL, its as simple as that.
mudbone80 1 year ago
Don't act like a man = never get laid.
While I do agree that tolerance is generally a good thing, there are some things on which people cannot reasonably compromise. Trying to artificially deconstruct our natural gender roles is one of those things. There is a reason why birth rates in developed countries is so low.
Just saying.
furikuri52 1 year ago
@furikuri52 The reason birth rates in developed countries is lower is because our babies don't DIE.
There's another TED video on this subject actually, where somebody talked about how if we lower infant mortality in developing countries they'll have less kids and the world population won't get too high.
DeoMachina 1 year ago
@furikuri52 Yeah, the low birth rates couldn't possibly be due to the availability of contraceptives in developed countries and other factors. /sarcasm No one's asking men to abandon their masculinity. It's the mentality of society as a whole - that of men and women alike - that needs to change. The sexes have their biological differences, but that doesn't mean they aren't equally valuable and respectable and shouldn't be treated as such. Just saying.
megjett 1 year ago
@furikuri52 birth rates in developed countries are low because there's less farms. People don't have lots of kids to help with farm work as often anymore like they used to.
Hey if you'd rather live in a third world country then be my guest.
WerewolfOfTheWater 9 months ago
anyway i do agree it's human nature , and i think man should be the leader for too many reasons , Physically/The ability to handle things woman may be unable to afford , but i don't think crying is something bad for a man , actually i cry all the time even from small things , but believe me i'm man enough to kick you're ass who ever you are LOL
multitouch0 1 year ago
@multitouch0
To assert that a man should be in the dominant position, you need to provide reasons why and back them up with scientific studies if you are going to make a claim of human nature.
angeltears87 1 year ago
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multitouch0 1 year ago
exactly like what my father was saying to me , he past away now God Bless hem , i never saw hem crying on all my life , even when my Big brother died after he get sick with Cancer he didn't cry but he was sad , God Bless hem
multitouch0 1 year ago
@akshunyob You do have low brain capacity if you think I said anything of the sorts. And the 14 people that agreed with you also have poor reading comprehension skills. But I guess its easy to rage against this message because you don't want to hear it.
GooGoo32 1 year ago
in an ideal world = "u heard about jon he mad sensitive he getting women all da time" real world = "u heard about jon he cried during titanic what a homo"
damierrumble 1 year ago
im joking about the lesbian thing of course but women partly force men to be this way
xxCAGExx 1 year ago
the thing is women dont want men who are bitches, they want alpha-males....if they didnt theyd jus be lesbians
xxCAGExx 1 year ago
@akshunyob
Maybe you should consider enlisting a mental health professional. I am uninterested in listening to your nonsensical ranting. farewell and good luck, I hope you will find your way out of such extreme and irrational hatred one day.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@akshunyob
You undermine your own position
angeltears87 1 year ago
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angeltears87 1 year ago
The dark secret here is that women prefer alpha males-- and domination is how you become alpha. So this is not completely our fault.
hymnofashes 1 year ago