Meh. This isn't so special. Props to the guy on his lack of empathy for fetuses.
I object to abortion in cases where the mother's life isn't in danger, but I don't see any reason to single this guy out. Whether an abortion is early or late term makes about as much difference to me as whether I'm eating breakfast or lunch.
i heard he had a teenage girl doing the anesthetics (sp) for his doctor office, i hope he gets the death penetalty, or somebody murks his old ass while hes in prison for the rest of his life...
That is so true! it is only when we see the baby then its wrong to kill it, while when it has been alive and there all along in the fetus then its different. how pathetic and ironic
@nofilmneeded i support abortion rights, and if what he is accused of doing is true, then yes, he very much did something wrong. i guess you didn't know what you are talking about. what he is accused of is not abortion. he is accused of killing BORN beings.
Heartless, cold hearted people. That dr deserves to be put away for life. I knew a girl who got an abortion. they used saline solution. she heard her baby screaming and crying. she was never the same after that.
If the US caves in to Al Qaeda like fundamentalism and over turns Roe v. Wade you better get used to Scissor type abortions b/c they will flourish, replacing legitimate abortions with all manner of this kind of horror. Better not strip our rights away or this will become all too common.
@BlameRepublicans "Roe v. Wade you better get used to Scissor type abortions b/c they will flourish, "
Oh no lol actually I'm planning to make a youtube video on how to engineer this, but with the latest trends in social networking as well as other information technologies I have some ideas on how to REALLY clamp down on this sort of thing. Social behavior can be programmed and social controls can be implemented with the right kinds of sciences.
You can "engineer" women into giving up control of their own bodies? Good luck with that. While you're at it - "engineer" up some way of putting an end to world hunger and human greed.
@BlameRepublicans Have you heard of the Asch conformance experiment? That's not all we will engineer either though. Teenage boys sexual behavior can also be regulated like this. When studying humans we find that there are social patterns in nature conducive to modifying both. We just have to isolate these, perfect them, and replicate them.
@BlameRepublicans Well it is, but see this would be an elaborate project. I was thinking that the "baby corporations" once they realize their own economic self-interest would provide the money for think-tanks to study this. They could also be used to leverage some of the political process to provide controls in other areas. (there's more than one way to skin a cat)
I just checked it out a wiki. One problem I anticipate - how many confederates with Johnny & Suzy have with them in the back seat of his car after prom??? :-) I have a very interesting story about this phenomenon that happened to me personally when I served in the Army. You would not believe what young men will approve of if they think it's the prevailing pack mentality.
@BlameRepublicans That's actually the basis of my idea -we will subtly change the pack mentality. Particularly we will have to reorganized such that the older men are the ones leading it. (as men age they tend to have a new dynamic of control of their sons sexual behavior as well as protecting their daughters from outsiders).
@BlameRepublicans Well not 300 million people are involved of course. And as for the bulk of society well we already have PC which is able to mold people's minds. If we develop a right-wing version of PC and use it to mold social consciousness in the same manner it could be used to similar effect.
All PC does is force the "do unto others" rule. I don't know if there's a "wing" involved. Getting people to keep their bigoted comments to themselves is much easier than changing base sexual behavior. I'm not necessarily opposed to encouraging young people to abstain/be as responsible as possible, I just don't know how successful you would be.
@BlameRepublicans "All PC does is force the "do unto others" rule." Well you don't want to be aborted right? So don't abort. It would fall under that category.
@JohananRaatz I'm way ahead of you. I've got 3 kids, 0 of them have been aborted. We can stop you from calling your co-worker "nigger" without compromising your Constitutional rights. We can't meddle in the reproductive choices of women without that happening however.
@BlameRepublicans Sure we can. There is no constitutional right to an abortion. This business with rights existing within the penumbra of a penumbra of a right which is magically interpreted into being is utter nonsense. And even the Roe ruling mentioned that if it is ever determined that the fetal child was a human being that the entire ruling along with any rights it suggested are null and void.
There is no Constitutional right explicitly allowing me to say “Jesus is Lord” or “Allah is the one true god!” BUT I can say those things if I so choose. I have the right of free speech. I also have a right against government encroachment on my rights as per the 9th Amendment. So it's not so much do we have the "right" to abort, but rather - the government doesn't have the right to stop it. (See Row v. Wade)
@BlameRepublicans Yes, but you are not infringing on anyone else's natural rights when you use your free speech. This is not the case with abortion -or at least if it is it is only dubiously so. (Roe v. Wade even said you don't have a right to an abortion if it turns out that the fetal child is a human being.)
This case is different. If it turns out the the fetal child is a human being, then the government does have a right to intervene -just like they do to stop child abuse or murder.
And in the ensuing "show down" of rights the 9th leaves the decision up to Mom. It's just the way the cookie crumbles. I understand the desire to stop the abortions, but the government simply hasn't the right to do so. Like invading another country b/c we don't like the way they carry out their internal affairs.
@BlameRepublicans That interpretation of the 9th amendment presumes that abortion is a real right in the first place. That case has never been made. At best it's a socially fabricated synthetic right.
The 5th amendment however does contradict this interpretation of the 9th amendment: "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;" The fetal child doesn't even get any process of law before being summarily executed on the whim of the mother.
Oh no it does not. The 9th is there to stop you from doing exactly what you are trying to do - assume government domain. When in doubt America goes on the side of personal freedom. Less government and all that, right? The 9th protects us from intrusion of a tyrannical government. We’re free to make these choices ourselves. Our government limited itself to the role of spectator when they wrote the 9th.
@BlameRepublicans Well, I don't believe anyone has the right to choose to murder an unborn American citizen.
These babies are human and very much alive. If they were not so, then no one would have the abortion. They have it because they don't want the child. It's obvious that they believe that what is growing is human and alive. We do not have the right to determine who lives and who dies. Bottom line.
@darklarva1 I don't question the humanity of the unborn. I simply see the government stepping in and telling women what to do with their bodies as going too far. Would you support FORCED kidney donations? The government could reduce the number of people who die waiting for a kidney if they checked medical records and lined up matches to harvet (by force) a kidney. If you don't support it - why not? What's the difference between this and overturning Roe v. Wade?
@darklarva1 "Well, I don't believe anyone has the right to choose to murder an unborn American citizen." first, there is no such thing as an unborn american citizen. that is a paradox. second, he isn't accused of killing unborn "anythings". he is accused of killing BORN beings. "They have it because they don't want the child." it isn't a child, and women have abortions for all kinds of reasons. and when it is inside your uterus, you DO have the right to determine if it lives or dies.
@BlameRepublicans By the way, I did it AGAIN! UGH! My son is logged in under "darklarva" on my computer. I didn't realize this and just noticed that my response to you was not under my login of "mamaluvsherbabes" but under my son's "darklarva"....Thought I should explain this in case you were wondering where the heck this resonse came from! haha
You're a good kid who's going to be a great leader some day. You are very comfortable with your words and you think critically. I notice you're a gamer so I'm sure there are plenty of people to debate with on xbox live later. Go out and tear it up in the snow. I stopped snow boarding when I had kids but my daughter loves night sledding. I think I'll follow your example.
He's doomed unless he gets out of the cult that has very obviously destroyed you as a man and left a broken shell incapable of rational, objective self analysis. As they say "misery loves company" so I can see why you are so eager to ham-string him. You wouldn't want the mistakes you made to stand out so brightly now would you?
Now there's some advice. Stay away from people who state clear opinions "STAY AWAY FROM CATHOLIC CLERGY.". Are you really instructing this kid to put on blinders.
Let me give him better advice. @piemaster, engage atheists on the internet every chance you get. You can clearly see here that thy are full of hate for their fellow man and this is no different anywhere else. Engage them and prompt them to change.
No organization to which I belong has ever paid hush money to their victims of child rape. This is something CatholicAmerican can not say. Keep this in mind when taking advice from either of us.
Your simple and innocent comments are very refreshing. Thank you for sharing your age too. I hope you continue to debate because you comments are read by more than just the person you are commenting to. Even though this person is responding negatively, you have helped yourself to better articulate the Truth and you have given numerous other people a chance to reflect on the True things that you are saying.
Your comment reveals that you are in over your head.
I hope that you will one day see the error of your world view. But until you do, you should know that there are people sending me private messages thanking me for taking you to task. You see, the truth is appealing to people which is why I am happy that you are here commenting. I have come to find that people learn the Truth quicker when they see people like you trying to shoot holes in it. Your self interest is serving God.
You're not the only one receiving emails. Atheism is growing while at the same time Christianity is shrinking. This is a very good thing. :-) Why? Truth. You do not know and are not interested in the real truth. You've got a pre-written script, with all the answers in place. Few if any are correct but that doesn't matter to the flock. You seek to undermine all that which does not fit into your cult mythology, and I won't let you.
But there are brick buildings that stand in testimony to the fact that secularists lie about the effect of religion in the world. I listed Universities and Fathers of Science, I didn't mention that the Catholic Church has built more hospitals than any other institution in history. God loves His creation and he is doing the best he can with the few who choose to follow him. For your own sake I would stop ignoring historical fact.
You have nothing but made up statistics to back up your claim. Talk to me when atheists are able to organize something like "World Youth Day". The only place where atheists are growing is in the media and they are using the media to project a false view of what the world really looks like.
Humanity is slowly opening its eyes. 6% (18.5 million) of Americans are Atheist, and more importantly 14.1% of Americans have "no religion". This is important b/c without the steady intellect killing bullshit the church pumps into their heads these 14.1% are VERY likely to not only become Atheist themselves - but they won't destroy their children with mindless Church indoctrination. If not mind raped by religious non-sense in youth - the human mind stands a great chance of fully developing.
"mindless Church indoctrination" like teaching people about the ethical practice of ADULT stem cell research.
Other things like NAPRO technology to actually treat woman's infertility. The devastating effects that contraception has on a woman's endocrine system. On the water cycle too, just google search "Estrogen in the water". Did you also know that male testosterone development is compromised in a house where the mother is taking the pill? The pill = dysfunctional health.
If there is empirical evidence supporting your claims about contraception - then by all means - let's investigate it. If it's true of course we must revisit the drugs used, and look for better ways. That's a no-brainer. I will go to the FDA's website and research your claim. I suspect it's bunk, but hey - I'm OPEN MINDED!
Wait. I thought you were a "Free Thinker", What are you doing making an appeal to an authority like the FDA? Every "Free Thinker" opposes appeals to authority. Didn't you get the memo? Just google search "Free thinker appeal to authority". I'm not going to follow any of your rules because you don't even follow them.
Youtube search "Estrogen in the Water" and start watching.
In that search you can even watch the secularist NBC video on the subject.
@CatholicAmerican BlameRepublicans doesn't know what he believes in. He's just on here looking for a fight and attention. Yesterday he attempted to pigeonhole my entire nation because he took personal offense at my rejection of his "sexual advances". You're trying to reason with someone who cannot grasp why his request for naked photos from a complete stranger on youtube was inappropriate. His social skills are very poorly developed.
But I believe that most people act this way because they have been marginalized by the people close to them. If anything I haven't cussed at him and that counts for something even if he continues to respond negatively. I will eventually have to stop responding and move elsewhere but I'm not currently engaged on another video yet. This is kind of a ministry for me. I used to be an atheist.
You read that @BR ? Just because I haven't said so doesn't mean I'm not praying for you.
The FDA is a Science based law enforcement agency. They don't consult an Oracle nor do they toss chicken bones onto the ground and read the future, or "pray" for information. They do science. Nice try god squad. Try again.
Quit pretending that atheism isn't a religion. Atheists are the biggest religious zealots on the internet. You can't have a conversation without trying to bring religion into it. Here, it is you who have constantly tried to turn abortion into a religious debate. That seems to be clear to everyone here except you. I've tried to stick to biology and other testable scientific topics but NO, you keep interjecting religious statements.
I've been waiting for that one. Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color. Religion must - at it's core have faith, correct? Faith is the believe in some proposition in the absence of proof, correct? Atheism requires no faith whatsoever. I see no proof of god, therefore I am an Atheist. Atheism is blissfully un-religious.
@BlameRepublicans Ok, yes there are people in both category who abuse either. The Dover creationists are the religious example of this. But they're missing the point just as much as the New Atheists are. The point of religion is to "immanentize" the transcendent category -bringing it into an anthropomorphized form that we can relate to. And you can't have any real transcendent values without this. This is the function of religion, but the "new atheists" just don't get this.
I'm sure you are proud of your Nuremberg Jonestown rally but my statistics are true. You believe a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree - BUT you don't believe my statistics? Your "wish-thinking" as Dawkins calls it
Well that's the problem, you're looking at ink on paper (statistics). I look at the hundreds of thousands of people who I interact with at places like "World Youth Day" and "The March For Life".
You live in a made up paper world which is why you treat your fellow man poorly.
I live in the real world and anchor what I believe to things that are observable in reality like the development of a human being. The purpose and function of sexual anatomy. Real things!
I'm not the one who believes a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. That's YOU. So do you *really* think you can speak on "reality"? You can't. Life is not a dress rehearsal for heaven. Stop living as such
"A Jewish Zombie" now that's a creative way to poke fun at Jesus and I can understand how an ignorant person would take delight in someone who articulates things in that way but the clever wording is just meant to convert the daft. It doesn't provide one ounce of satisfaction to anyone who thinks critically about the origin of man. Did you will yourself into existence?
Your entire comment was yet another religious rant and had nothing to do with abortion.
I have kids because my wife and I are in love. That led to us using our sexual anatomy in the way nature has designed it. This started the process of human generation that you can watch in live video by google searching "Vimeo Biology of Prenatal Development".
I wish you could experience life in our house. Our children are wildly scientific. Did you know that Catholic Franciscan Friar, Roger Bacon is the Father of the scientific method? Look it up.
Without the aid of the media the "March For Life" in D.C. drew a 400,000+ crowd in 29 degree weather. What has atheism done? Drawn people to a Metalica concert?
Insanity in large groups is still insanity. In 2010 1,799,601 Muslims all went to Mecca for Hajj. That trumps your few hundred thousand any day. So are we to infer that Islam is more correct?
You have a talent for being a wordsmith and pseudo intellectual gymnastics, I'll give you that much. So when I asked what atheism has done you quote what the Muslim religion has done. I didn't question the accomplishments of the Muslim religion. They strive to keep their members ignorant just like the atheists. Only the Catholics advance individuals regardless of their religious creed. I'm glad they have built and run the most hospitals. Atheists won't be turned away.
Atheism in one form or another has given the world scientific knowledge. Atheism doesn't have "members". This is to say there's no card you can carry that proves you are free of primitive cult myths. It doesn't work that way. Keeping people ignorant is in direct opposition of freethinkers. That's religion's role. You have already admitted that you seek to keep child ignorant of sex, you try to deny victims of spinal cord injury the ability to walk by blocking stem cell research, etc...
I've seen your example of "freethinkers". It was clear that when you said "Stay away from priests". You're a person who wants people to have blinders on. Catholic teaching encourages people to engage others with opposing views. Catholic teaching also instructs people to cite original historical documents if they are going to make claims about the past. Your claim that the Church keeps people ignorant is unfounded. It's an atheist bedtime story. Brick buildings refute you.
Yes or No - has the Catholic Church not hosted and harbored pedophile priests? God's watching - answer honestly...(that's not much of a threat now is it. God was watching those priests too so I guess he just doesn't give a shit)
Heck yes. And Jesus called Judas to follow him but neither the homosexual priest or Judas followed Jesus.
An individual always has the free will to commit evil. Sexual abuse is evil.
But here is your atheist brainwashing at work. You speak not of the far greater cases of sexual assault in public schools. You'll say that priests are molesting kids because they can't have sex, well what's the excuse for public school teachers? You're a secularist and you are very ignorant.
Oh I see. The teachers get to do it so why can't the clergy? LOL. I've never pondered the reasons why the priests did what they did. It doesn't matter. They're doing it and until it started hemorrhaging settlement money the Church chose to ignore it. You let these priests off easy. Anyone who tells me they're the personal envoy of god right before he sticks his dick in me rates off the charts compared to your run of the mill pedophile.
Both the teachers and the homosexual priests were acting in a gravely disordered way.
You're a subjective speaker. You categorize pedophilia on a sliding scale based on your world view. Even on topics of pedophilia it's all about you. Tell that to the abuse victims themselves. Your comments are very near sighted and selfish.
That is the classic atheist response "religious people should be punished more severely than secular criminals". You're a bigot.
Your hospital would be stuck in the stone age if not for the hard work of SCIENTISTS. The very institution your cult hates - so you can't really take credit for that. Truth be told if you had any real faith you would simply pray to jesus when you were sick. But such is the flimsy nature of your faith. You use computers, electricity, medical doctors, automobiles, indoor plumbing, etc....all things brought forth by SCIENCE, owing NOTHING to your christ cult.
Scientists like Fr. Gregor Mandel who pioneered the study of genetics.
Or how about a Christian like Dr. Francis Collins who headed the human genome project.
The study of medicine has always been a Catholic endeavor. Look at the advances in ADULT stem cell research. There are over 70 treatments for things now where as the secular driven embryonic human destruction stem cell research has produced ZERO treatments and a ton of misleading puff articles in med. journals.
"Gregor Johann Mendel (July 20, 1822 – January 6, 1884) was an Austrian Augustinian monk and scientist..."
"AND SCIENTIST" Just what he did to draw a pay-check is inconsequential. His contributions to Science came from his SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH. Not your non-sense religion. I worked my way through University as a janitor. Do mops and broom deserve credit for the scientific project I worked on?
Cite an original historical document that names one and cite to me their offense.
Yes, I'm aware that there are such documents so that means you should be able to find one but I don't think you have actually read any. Real history isn't as anti-religious as you spin it to be.
@CatholicAmerican You are amazing. You have remained cordial and respectful amid this individual's incessant criticisms. This person is very angry and is using you and others as a personal punching bag. I've argued with his kind many times before but it usually comes to the same end...inconclusive and unproductive. Still, as U have stated, the truth is being witnessed as you voice it by others who likewise will benefit from it. So, keep up the good work. God bless you for your tireless efforts.
@BlameRepublicans I'm sorry you're so critical and dissatisfied. We're open to constructively debate. You needn't become so condescending. Much could be learned through a respectful exchange of opinions and beliefs.
@BlameRepublicans I don't believe "CatholicAmerican" or anyone else is interested in handing over our precious liberties to the pope. Although, some may be gradually convinced to sacrifice more and more of our freedoms under the guise of a false protection from the government. It is not each other with whom we should fight. One day, we may need to rely upon each other.
It's a great point you are making. In order to be in favor of a so called "right" to abortion, you have to introduce a schizophrenic narrative into the works because pregnancy and parenthood are the natural goal of human fertility and many "pro-choicers" are parents.
They recognize the undeniable biological fact of human fertility but they have been indoctrinated from childhood to hold a sexual ethic that runs counter to the biological fact and the responsibility connected to it.
Please don't speak about "sexual ethics". As a Catholic you are the LEAST qualified among us to run your mouth. Are you a member of the clergy? How many lives have you ruined? How much money have you taken your flock for? Corrupt animals like you deserve no say in individual rights. Given the right circumstances it would be you (or more likely your sheep) to fly a jet liner into the nearest sky scrapper. You're nuts.
Other than supporting the over turning of Row V. Wade - what have YOU done to stop abortions? Adopted an unwanted child? Paid for free contraception for those who can't afford it? What? Most "Pro-Life" folks I know haven't done a damn thing except strip rights from others. That's real cheap. It's called "love the fetus, hate the child." Ironically the those who seek to ban abortion bristle at Hillary Clinton when she said "It takes a village to raise a child." Will you pay for the kids?
I'm helping an infertile couple find a child to adopt.
Contraception rendered the woman infertile.
I can name 11 families who have adopted children in my parish.
How does adoption change the logic of what you are saying. "If there is no one who will adopt, we should kill humans". That has nothing to do with "rights" that's just bad logic.
Abortion is the enemy, right? My point is most anti-choice people I know hate abortion just enough to motive them to strip rights away from others but not quite enough to open their wallets or compromise their opinions on things like contraception and reality based sex ed. You're fear mongering comment above is a perfect example "Contraception rendered the woman infertile". Why didn't you say "God chose not to bless them with their own child"? Your religious agenda drips through your posts.
Fear mongers are the ones who try to tell women that they have a right to kill another human and then tell them that evil men who are republicans are trying to take those rights away because they want to oppress women. That's real fear mongering.
You make no appeals to biological facts. I do. You make appeals to poorly constructed laws that are not grounded in nature but are rather grounded in appeasing disordered human will.
That's the great thing about freedom. No one tells you you're free. You assume you are free and you wait for some delusional freak to come take your rights away from you. The degree to which you fight said thieves of freedom is the degree to which you are free. Biology? So now you DO BELIEVE in Science? At the moment 100,000 people die from starvation each day. That's right. Your "god" seems to have sent too many angels for the existing food stocks. Biologically speaking abortion works.
All of whom would have faced slow agonizing deaths by torture at the hands of Church inquisitors had they failed to tow the church line. Are you sure that's something you can be proud of?
Cite one book on the inquisition that you have read.
Cite one original historical document on the subject you have read. I'm going to bet (because you act like the last 20 secularists that I've debated) that you have only read atheist hate blogs on the subject. You are a part of a very ignorant group of people who make up stories about events they didn't live through.
"A history of the Marranos", "Inquisition and Medieval Society", and "The Inquisition: The Hammer of Heresy." This is you "debating"? Complaining about paying taxes and whining at me that I'm immoral is not "debating" it's you being a typical dogma bound christian.
You got me there. I'm not quite old enough to have lived through it. Unlike your Bible there is actual proof showing the inquisition happened. Funny how your love of proof comes and goes.
@BlameRepublicans "Are you sure that's something you can be proud of?"
This isn't something to be proud of, but this is a pot meet kettle situation. The last time the church did something like this was at least 300 years. Atheistic ideologies (which often reject transcendent value -it needn't be religious just Platonic) have done far worse things in the 20th century.
This is not to say that atheists are any worse than theists it's just saying you should be careful in your attributions.
Religous people behaving badly did so for their religion. People like Stalin or Tung may happen to have been Atheist but they were fanatics who abandoned reason and rational thought and did what they did not out of anything to do with Atheism. We can't say this about Bin Laden or Hitler.
@BlameRepublicans You're missing the point. This distinction is splitting hairs. Stalin killed people because of his ideology -which they also thought was based on reason- but wasn't. The ideology was based on materialism and thereby denied any transcendent values. While this is not identical with atheism the two go hand in hand. It's safe to say that the atheist paradigm caused this ideology.
Religion (whether you add God in or not) helps people be rational regarding the transcendent category.
You make a good case against Stalinism, but not Atheism. Stalin's departure from sanity was based on his political beliefs in the here and now. Using his lack of a believe in the here after is like saying he did what he did b/c he no longer believed in Santa Clause.
@BlameRepublicans "Stalin's departure from sanity was based on his political beliefs..."
You're missing the forest for the trees. Let's step back and do this Socratically. What was the philosophic foundation of his political beliefs?
"he no longer believed in Santa Clause."
Strangely yes, research "Plato" and "Noble lie" for this one. Think like everyone "believing in Harvey Dent" at the end of The Dark Knight to prevent Gotham city from slipping into the Joker's nihilism.
@BlameRepublicans (cont.)Let me break this down a little further. If we assume materialism (materialism and atheism go hand in hand) and we take it to it's logical conclusion then it leads to the conclusion that there are no Platonic (ie. transcendent) truths -because Platonic truths are not material.
If this is the case though then it lead to the belief that there are no values "above us" and that we just make our own values up.If we do that we can make any values up we want -like Stalin did.
@JohananRaatz Yeah than the rest of the population but those numbers have always been like that. It's not like there has been a big shift on this or anything. Besides all of that the existence of God has more to do with philosophy than science. Science (this not withstanding: watch?v=Kj8UdHuP5l8 ) has a hard time saying one way or the other. Most of the reason people are atheists or theists in science has more to do with their fundamental underlying philosophies rather than science itself.
@BlameRepublicans It is at the moment, but you are failing to understand that part of this is quite literally hard-wired. Religion exists in part due to evolutionary psychology. And even without God, there will still be a necessity for a "transcendent psychological function" that would take the place of religion. Today's "new athiests" are far too ready to reject ideals thought of as "above them."
BTW (though this wasn't a religious God perse) what did you make of my Universal Orch-OR videos?
see Dawkins’ "Nice guys finish first". Altruism and adherence to social norms of behavior have evolutionary benefits. I don't use the lack of God as a excuse to go do whatever. A vast majority of Atheists are the same way or else it would be us blowing shit up and committing genocide instead of you theists.
And BTW Hitler wasn't exactly religious himself. He was early on, but then we was just faking it to use religion for his own ends. He actually forced his entire cabinet to go to church for propaganda purposes even though they were complaining about it.
Though granted there have been some suggestions that he had his own weird religion based on a mish-mash of occult ideas -which tend to be wilder than regular religious ideas.
"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord Jesus Christ..." Adolf Hitler "Mein Kampf"
Read up on the Reich Concordat between Hitler and the Vatican. He was indeed a Christian. He never denounced. He ordered Mosques and Synagogues destroyed while protecting Christian Churches, and he was never excommunicated. There is no doubt
@BlameRepublicans Hitler was Christian only in name not in conduct. Hitler was a Jew who hated his ancestry. Hitler protected the Christian churches in an effort to brain wash the majority of Germans into thinking Jews were less than human. Unfortunately, he was successful in convincing a majority of Germans. Although there were hundreds who refused his lie and remained true to Christ...many of whom lost their lives trying to hide their Jewish neighbors.
@BlameRepublicans You don't understand the Hitler. The details of his personal life and that of his associates suggests this -the more privately discussed stuff. How many politicians "believe in God" today?
Let me give you a hint: "The Prince must always appear to be very religious..."
Again all of whom faced either torture and death or at least (in more recent times) estrangement from their loved ones and loss of their livelihood had they failed to show up to Church. It's only now that the Church can no longer coerce people into joining that we see RAPID departure from religion by Scientific professionals. In other words as soon as it became optional - Scientists bugged out. Why? Because Scientists are smart. Superstitious sheep are not.
So you're calling Dr. Francis Collins, the head of the human genome project, stupid. What ever man. We are to the point now where I would be shocked if you actually posted a rational statement that was grounded in reality.
@BlameRepublicans "It's only now that the Church can no longer coerce people into joining that we see RAPID departure from religion by Scientific professionals."
I'm IN the sciences and I can tell you that's simply not true. Are they less orthodox on such things as Genesis? Sure. But a decent proportion of scientists are religious. In my own physics dept. there are many people who are religious who'd you'd never guess as being religious based on their scientific beliefs.
"Many studies have been conducted in the United States and have generally found that scientists are less likely to believe in God than the rest of the population. Precise definitions and statistics vary, but generally about 1/3 are atheists, 1/3 agnostic, and 1/3 believe in God..."
Helmuth Nyborg conduted a study to see how IQ and religiosity relate. He found Atheists on average were 5.89 IQ points higher than theists. Does this mean Atheists are smarter? Or smarter people become Atheist? Either way...Of course it's not black and white, but in my life I have found the closer one sticks to religious dogma, the dumer they are.
@JohananRaatz my IQ?? It’s 155 1/2. ;-) Last it was tested 138 - math is not my friend. I'm not saying Atheist = smart, theist = dumb, but I do find the results interesting, and the fact that the smartest people among us, the Scientists, are IN GENERAL turning away from religion and embracing skepticism.
@BlameRepublicans Ok, let me explain these results. Why academics turn away from this. It's not because of the beliefs perse (though some beliefs are clearly wrong eg. creationism) It's more to do with a "politics of academia" thing. There are certain things that "everyone knows" in academia that if you don't people look at you funny. These include materialism, positivism, eliminativism etc. For example when I was a kid I saw a poltergeist two feet away from me, I don't talk about it though.
@BlameRepublicans (cont.) There are a lot of things which ordinary religious people believe that are unrealistic or don't match up to the real reality of what is going on. And a lot of other things which they believe which may be true, but not quite in the way they imagined. However what you see in academia is in part a reaction to that and in part based on a subconscious drive to fit into the "correct view" on certain fundamental things. (it's a I-Want-To-Believeism vs. Scully Syndrome thing.)
@BlameRepublicans (cont.) I might also note that these numbers are generally static with scientists. I saw a similar poll about ten years ago. It's not like they are generally turning away from it as a trend. It's that they are fixed at about 1/3 atheist 1/3 agnostic and 1/3 theist.
Pro-Life Catholics are responsible for building institutes of higher education like The University of Paris, Universitas Magistrorum et Scholarium, Abbey of St. Denis, University of Reims, Collège de Bons Enfants, University of Cologne, University of Vienna, Charles University in Prague, Notre Dame, University of Dallas, Michigan University, Boston College, Ave Maria University, Georgetown, Gonzaga University, Villanova, and Fordham University.
Again - all things began back when being an open Atheist was not allowed, so anyone who did anything of note could be claimed by one church or another. None of these achievements are exclusive to your faith. Muslims, Jews, Mormons, Scientologists, etc...have all started schools. If the Catholic church wants to actually do more good than bad the Pope should 1.) Allow the use of contraception 2.) Keep his nose out of our domestic social/political business. 3.) Stop protecting child rapists.
Cite your source. You're just making up stories. What time period are you even talking about.
You clearly get your history from movies and not books. Didn't I already say that secularists seek control of the media in order to give a false impression of world events.
Secularists always use the tactic of making as vague of accusations as they can. You are demonstrating this classic secularist tactic.
LOL "Cite your sources" - Or what? it means your fanatic fore-fathers didn't boil people in oil to get their children to convert??? Go crack any histoy book...Even as recently as 2005 we have public school teachers being pushed out of their jobs by religious idiots who resent the fact that teaching evolution is the LAW.
@BlameRepublicans "Even as recently as 2005 we have public school teachers being pushed out of their jobs by religious idiots who resent the fact that teaching evolution is the LAW. "
That's bad, and the boiling in oil thing was even worse. However the boiling in oil thing happened a REALLY long time ago. Whereas most of the people I know who support fetal homicide TODAY (not long ago) tend to be atheists. Both have the excesses but which one is more dangerous?
You traded in your boiling oil for burning witches, or conducted pogroms, Holocausts, genocides, terror attacks - all based on religion and YES - all far more destructive than abortion. They only reason Pat Robertson and the 700 Club are not out there hanging homosexuals in the streets is SECULAR Governance. By definition religious people can not control themselves. They're bound to a "higher law" and we have ample proof of this. Christian Americans only appear less savage b/c of secularism.
@BlameRepublicans You are incorrect in your assessment of Christians/Pat Robertson. Christians hate the sin while loving the sinner. Secular governance has nothing to do with not Christians refraining from "hanging homosexuals"...it is the Christian's allegiance to God that prevents him/her from behaving in such a heinous fashion.
You keep telling yourself that, but it’s the same god and gospel now that was around during Inquisition, Crusades and Holocaust. The only thing that’s changed is the thin line of Secularists like me keeping your religious chaff out of our government. The best thing for humanity would be for all religion to die a quick, silent death.
@BlameRepublicans I agree with you on one point, it IS the same God and Gospel. And you're right, religion is not of God. However, Christianity is a personal relationship with the Lord. Religion is man made, for the most part. But there have always been those who falsely claim to do God's work. We can't judge God by what man has done supposedly in His name. There is much you do not understand, my friend.
I think you're letting your god off the hook. Whenever some very unlikely but good outcome happens - like the pilot landing his jet on the Hudson river without loss of life - we hear theists say "thank god". When Adolf Hitler exterminated half the world's Jews no one said "why did god let that happen?" To be clear - there is no evidence of god *especially* a god involved with the events of our lives. God is in my opinion a projection of the human mind. Some see what they want to see.
@BlameRepublicans "To be clear - there is no evidence of god *especially* a god involved with the events of our lives. God is in my opinion a projection of the human mind. Some see what they want to see."
On a side note, just for the sake of trying it out I'm going to suggest you read some Carl Jung, also read about his collaboration with Wolfgang Pauli (of the "Pauli exclusion principle"). See what you find.
@BlameRepublicans I hear ya. But there are reasons for these things. We know that if it's good, it's God. (James 1:17). We also know that God has a perfect will as well as a permissive will. Specifically, He has given man the ability to do right or to do wrong. I don't understand why God allows some of the things He allows. But I do know that there is always a reason that I won't know until I live in Heaven.I've experienced HIm on a personal level. He's given visions/dreams that have come 2 pass
"The best thing for humanity would be for all religion to die a quick, silent death."
We get it, you hate religion but what are you going to do when Roe v. Wade is neutralized by the house and senate? Did you know that the Dred Scott ruling has never been overturned? Look it up. This immoral ruling was simply neutralized by other means. This same process is happening to the immoral ruling of Roe v. Wade. The U.S. is waking up to biology and becoming Pro-Life.
@CatholicAmerican what am I going to do? Support those politicians who seek to protect our rights and undermine the religious zealots who betrayed the 1st Amendment. I will harbor/protect and promote illegal abortion providers and the women/girls who seek them through money and logistics. What do you mean by "waking up to biology"? What does biology and Liberty have to do with one another?
@BlameRepublicans Really? The Salem Witch trials only killed 19 people. Russia and China had the largest mass killings in history -not just this century and it wasn't for religious motivation but dialectical materialism. And abortion kills 1.2 mil a year my ass it's less destructive.
"hanging homosexuals in the streets"
Do you HONESTLY believe they'd do that anymore? Really? Come on now. Yes there are a few kooks but by and large this is not the case even among the "Bible-thumping types."
@JohananRaatz That's 19 more people than were killed in the name of Atheism. The atrocities in Russia and China were not conducted in the name of or because of Atheism. Stalin had a mustache perhaps he killed those people in the name of mustachedom?
YES. Without a doubt if not for the protections of secular government you bet your ass the christians would be right back to their old ways. It is the result of their "faith". Belief in the unverifiable.
@BlameRepublicans "not conducted in the name of or because of Atheism. "
That's a load of BS and you know it. You are splitting hairs as to their exact motivation, but are missing the bigger picture. Let's try this Socratically for a moment: What philosophic/political motivation DID Stalin have? (I'll see from your answer to the question and we will pick up from there)
No - no one is out burning anyone at the stake becase they refuse to become Atheist. Stalin was motivated by his Communist ideals. He saw any harm he did as “worthy” of the revolution. I beg you to find a quote, any quote where he says he did what he did to further the cause of Atheism. Christianity was the cause of the genocide in the former Yugoslavia. The moment their secular government was gone – the followers of Jesus were murdering non-believers and digging mass graves. FACT.
@BlameRepublicans "Stalin was motivated by his Communist ideals... ...any quote where he says he did what he didto further the cause of Atheism. "
You're missing the forest for the trees again. It's not in a specific quote, but let's continue on with this Socratic discussion to get the bigger picture. What are Communist ideals motivated on? Namely what philosophy? (Hint: what did Marx incorporate into the basis of his ideology?)
Actually, they did. Not "burned at the stake" perse, but yes in as many words. People who were caught being Christian in the USSR were sent to the gulags for simply the crime of OWNING a Bible. Same thing in China -though they also go after Muslims and Buddhists there. I actually remember talking with someone from I believe it was the Czech Republic who said he had horrible childhood memories like this.
You make up stories about these so called "old ways" but every time I press a secularist to give me an original historical document, they balk and point me to an atheist blog instead.
As far as I can tell from reading original sources, Christianity is responsible for the greatest astronomical findings, global circumnavigation, Universities, Soup kitchens, orphanages, Hospitals.
LOL. Right is this the same Christian Church that said anyone who claimed the Earth went around the Sun was a heretic? Real good "astronomical findings". Please - the list of atrocities for which your cult is responsible is far too long to post here. To this very day you believe in absurdities like transubstantiation. You are insane if you think your cult is anything but an albatross around the neck of human progress! HA!!!
I already listed at least three books on the subject. Funny how your thirst for facts comes and goes. You do believe in the "virgin birth" right? LOL...
Meh. This isn't so special. Props to the guy on his lack of empathy for fetuses.
I object to abortion in cases where the mother's life isn't in danger, but I don't see any reason to single this guy out. Whether an abortion is early or late term makes about as much difference to me as whether I'm eating breakfast or lunch.
cowgodgames 3 weeks ago
hes an abortion doctor! this is not murder!
shadowwarrior55555 1 month ago
i heard he had a teenage girl doing the anesthetics (sp) for his doctor office, i hope he gets the death penetalty, or somebody murks his old ass while hes in prison for the rest of his life...
baybeemama1912 10 months ago
If you support abortion then he did nothing wrong!
nofilmneeded 11 months ago 8
@nofilmneeded you're a fucking retard.
bigzam1 10 months ago
@nofilmneeded
That is so true! it is only when we see the baby then its wrong to kill it, while when it has been alive and there all along in the fetus then its different. how pathetic and ironic
anoushka7878 7 months ago
@nofilmneeded he and his workers need the death penalty. they are ted bundys
hursti05 1 month ago
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@nofilmneeded i support abortion rights, and if what he is accused of doing is true, then yes, he very much did something wrong. i guess you didn't know what you are talking about. what he is accused of is not abortion. he is accused of killing BORN beings.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
Heartless, cold hearted people. That dr deserves to be put away for life. I knew a girl who got an abortion. they used saline solution. she heard her baby screaming and crying. she was never the same after that.
LanaV6 1 year ago
they were only babies, what's the fucking problem, they weren't even people yet...
johnny4463435 1 year ago
@johnny4463435 Tell me your joking
katieburak93 1 year ago
@johnny4463435 Please tell me you were joking.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
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@johnny4463435 Please tell me you were joking.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@JohananRaatz nah they aren't people
johnny4463435 1 year ago
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@johnny4463435 "nah they aren't people"
Ohkkaay! I suppose Jewish people and blacks aren't people either.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@johnny4463435 Are you fucking serious? What the fuck is wrong with you?
katieburak93 1 year ago
@katieburak93 nothing is wrong with me :S why are you asking stupid questions about my health, youtube is not for small talk
johnny4463435 1 year ago
Abortion sure is murder.
ChooseLifeIreland 1 year ago
If the US caves in to Al Qaeda like fundamentalism and over turns Roe v. Wade you better get used to Scissor type abortions b/c they will flourish, replacing legitimate abortions with all manner of this kind of horror. Better not strip our rights away or this will become all too common.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans "Roe v. Wade you better get used to Scissor type abortions b/c they will flourish, "
Oh no lol actually I'm planning to make a youtube video on how to engineer this, but with the latest trends in social networking as well as other information technologies I have some ideas on how to REALLY clamp down on this sort of thing. Social behavior can be programmed and social controls can be implemented with the right kinds of sciences.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
You can "engineer" women into giving up control of their own bodies? Good luck with that. While you're at it - "engineer" up some way of putting an end to world hunger and human greed.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans Have you heard of the Asch conformance experiment? That's not all we will engineer either though. Teenage boys sexual behavior can also be regulated like this. When studying humans we find that there are social patterns in nature conducive to modifying both. We just have to isolate these, perfect them, and replicate them.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
Haven't heard of it. I'll give it a look, but that's quit a daunting task. I have many related questions, but will reserve until after I research it.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans Well it is, but see this would be an elaborate project. I was thinking that the "baby corporations" once they realize their own economic self-interest would provide the money for think-tanks to study this. They could also be used to leverage some of the political process to provide controls in other areas. (there's more than one way to skin a cat)
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
I just checked it out a wiki. One problem I anticipate - how many confederates with Johnny & Suzy have with them in the back seat of his car after prom??? :-) I have a very interesting story about this phenomenon that happened to me personally when I served in the Army. You would not believe what young men will approve of if they think it's the prevailing pack mentality.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans That's actually the basis of my idea -we will subtly change the pack mentality. Particularly we will have to reorganized such that the older men are the ones leading it. (as men age they tend to have a new dynamic of control of their sons sexual behavior as well as protecting their daughters from outsiders).
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
I think it's a grand plan. I don't know how we could get it to work on 300+ million folks!
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans Well not 300 million people are involved of course. And as for the bulk of society well we already have PC which is able to mold people's minds. If we develop a right-wing version of PC and use it to mold social consciousness in the same manner it could be used to similar effect.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
All PC does is force the "do unto others" rule. I don't know if there's a "wing" involved. Getting people to keep their bigoted comments to themselves is much easier than changing base sexual behavior. I'm not necessarily opposed to encouraging young people to abstain/be as responsible as possible, I just don't know how successful you would be.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans "All PC does is force the "do unto others" rule." Well you don't want to be aborted right? So don't abort. It would fall under that category.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@JohananRaatz I'm way ahead of you. I've got 3 kids, 0 of them have been aborted. We can stop you from calling your co-worker "nigger" without compromising your Constitutional rights. We can't meddle in the reproductive choices of women without that happening however.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans Sure we can. There is no constitutional right to an abortion. This business with rights existing within the penumbra of a penumbra of a right which is magically interpreted into being is utter nonsense. And even the Roe ruling mentioned that if it is ever determined that the fetal child was a human being that the entire ruling along with any rights it suggested are null and void.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
There is no Constitutional right explicitly allowing me to say “Jesus is Lord” or “Allah is the one true god!” BUT I can say those things if I so choose. I have the right of free speech. I also have a right against government encroachment on my rights as per the 9th Amendment. So it's not so much do we have the "right" to abort, but rather - the government doesn't have the right to stop it. (See Row v. Wade)
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans Yes, but you are not infringing on anyone else's natural rights when you use your free speech. This is not the case with abortion -or at least if it is it is only dubiously so. (Roe v. Wade even said you don't have a right to an abortion if it turns out that the fetal child is a human being.)
This case is different. If it turns out the the fetal child is a human being, then the government does have a right to intervene -just like they do to stop child abuse or murder.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
And in the ensuing "show down" of rights the 9th leaves the decision up to Mom. It's just the way the cookie crumbles. I understand the desire to stop the abortions, but the government simply hasn't the right to do so. Like invading another country b/c we don't like the way they carry out their internal affairs.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans That interpretation of the 9th amendment presumes that abortion is a real right in the first place. That case has never been made. At best it's a socially fabricated synthetic right.
The 5th amendment however does contradict this interpretation of the 9th amendment: "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;" The fetal child doesn't even get any process of law before being summarily executed on the whim of the mother.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
Oh no it does not. The 9th is there to stop you from doing exactly what you are trying to do - assume government domain. When in doubt America goes on the side of personal freedom. Less government and all that, right? The 9th protects us from intrusion of a tyrannical government. We’re free to make these choices ourselves. Our government limited itself to the role of spectator when they wrote the 9th.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
I think I'm going to vomit.
katieburak93 1 year ago
Rates of death of women who have an abortion:
One out of every 6,000 women who have an abortion after 21 weeks gestation die.
One out of every 166,000 abortions ends in death.
Just under one out of every 100 abortions has a serious complication
[Source: AGI, 1998. Note: These figures may be low due to under-reporting of deaths due to abortions.]
mamaluvsherbabes 1 year ago
@mamaluvsherbabes All sounds reasons why women should CHOOSE to not abort, but not a good argumet for stripping their right to choose away from them.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans Well, I don't believe anyone has the right to choose to murder an unborn American citizen.
These babies are human and very much alive. If they were not so, then no one would have the abortion. They have it because they don't want the child. It's obvious that they believe that what is growing is human and alive. We do not have the right to determine who lives and who dies. Bottom line.
darklarva1 1 year ago 4
@darklarva1 I don't question the humanity of the unborn. I simply see the government stepping in and telling women what to do with their bodies as going too far. Would you support FORCED kidney donations? The government could reduce the number of people who die waiting for a kidney if they checked medical records and lined up matches to harvet (by force) a kidney. If you don't support it - why not? What's the difference between this and overturning Roe v. Wade?
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
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@darklarva1 "Well, I don't believe anyone has the right to choose to murder an unborn American citizen." first, there is no such thing as an unborn american citizen. that is a paradox. second, he isn't accused of killing unborn "anythings". he is accused of killing BORN beings. "They have it because they don't want the child." it isn't a child, and women have abortions for all kinds of reasons. and when it is inside your uterus, you DO have the right to determine if it lives or dies.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@BlameRepublicans By the way, I did it AGAIN! UGH! My son is logged in under "darklarva" on my computer. I didn't realize this and just noticed that my response to you was not under my login of "mamaluvsherbabes" but under my son's "darklarva"....Thought I should explain this in case you were wondering where the heck this resonse came from! haha
darklarva1 1 year ago
@darklarva1 No worries. I had not even noticed.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@piemaster2223
I missed this comment.
You're a good kid who's going to be a great leader some day. You are very comfortable with your words and you think critically. I notice you're a gamer so I'm sure there are plenty of people to debate with on xbox live later. Go out and tear it up in the snow. I stopped snow boarding when I had kids but my daughter loves night sledding. I think I'll follow your example.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
He's doomed unless he gets out of the cult that has very obviously destroyed you as a man and left a broken shell incapable of rational, objective self analysis. As they say "misery loves company" so I can see why you are so eager to ham-string him. You wouldn't want the mistakes you made to stand out so brightly now would you?
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
Your idea of getting out into the snow is probably for the best! Enjoy the white stuff.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@piemaster2223 If you are 14 I have 3 things to say.
1.) I apologize for speaking in a rough manner to you.
2.) STAY AWAY FROM CATHOLIC CLERGY.
3.) Free yourself from the intellect killing trap that is religion. Please check out FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION at FFRF.ORG
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
Now there's some advice. Stay away from people who state clear opinions "STAY AWAY FROM CATHOLIC CLERGY.". Are you really instructing this kid to put on blinders.
Let me give him better advice. @piemaster, engage atheists on the internet every chance you get. You can clearly see here that thy are full of hate for their fellow man and this is no different anywhere else. Engage them and prompt them to change.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
No organization to which I belong has ever paid hush money to their victims of child rape. This is something CatholicAmerican can not say. Keep this in mind when taking advice from either of us.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@piemaster2223
Your simple and innocent comments are very refreshing. Thank you for sharing your age too. I hope you continue to debate because you comments are read by more than just the person you are commenting to. Even though this person is responding negatively, you have helped yourself to better articulate the Truth and you have given numerous other people a chance to reflect on the True things that you are saying.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
@CatholicAmerican he's getting aroused. I'm reporting him to YT.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
Your comment reveals that you are in over your head.
I hope that you will one day see the error of your world view. But until you do, you should know that there are people sending me private messages thanking me for taking you to task. You see, the truth is appealing to people which is why I am happy that you are here commenting. I have come to find that people learn the Truth quicker when they see people like you trying to shoot holes in it. Your self interest is serving God.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
You're not the only one receiving emails. Atheism is growing while at the same time Christianity is shrinking. This is a very good thing. :-) Why? Truth. You do not know and are not interested in the real truth. You've got a pre-written script, with all the answers in place. Few if any are correct but that doesn't matter to the flock. You seek to undermine all that which does not fit into your cult mythology, and I won't let you.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
But there are brick buildings that stand in testimony to the fact that secularists lie about the effect of religion in the world. I listed Universities and Fathers of Science, I didn't mention that the Catholic Church has built more hospitals than any other institution in history. God loves His creation and he is doing the best he can with the few who choose to follow him. For your own sake I would stop ignoring historical fact.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
You have nothing but made up statistics to back up your claim. Talk to me when atheists are able to organize something like "World Youth Day". The only place where atheists are growing is in the media and they are using the media to project a false view of what the world really looks like.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
Humanity is slowly opening its eyes. 6% (18.5 million) of Americans are Atheist, and more importantly 14.1% of Americans have "no religion". This is important b/c without the steady intellect killing bullshit the church pumps into their heads these 14.1% are VERY likely to not only become Atheist themselves - but they won't destroy their children with mindless Church indoctrination. If not mind raped by religious non-sense in youth - the human mind stands a great chance of fully developing.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
"mindless Church indoctrination" like teaching people about the ethical practice of ADULT stem cell research.
Other things like NAPRO technology to actually treat woman's infertility. The devastating effects that contraception has on a woman's endocrine system. On the water cycle too, just google search "Estrogen in the water". Did you also know that male testosterone development is compromised in a house where the mother is taking the pill? The pill = dysfunctional health.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
If there is empirical evidence supporting your claims about contraception - then by all means - let's investigate it. If it's true of course we must revisit the drugs used, and look for better ways. That's a no-brainer. I will go to the FDA's website and research your claim. I suspect it's bunk, but hey - I'm OPEN MINDED!
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
Wait. I thought you were a "Free Thinker", What are you doing making an appeal to an authority like the FDA? Every "Free Thinker" opposes appeals to authority. Didn't you get the memo? Just google search "Free thinker appeal to authority". I'm not going to follow any of your rules because you don't even follow them.
Youtube search "Estrogen in the Water" and start watching.
In that search you can even watch the secularist NBC video on the subject.
What does the FDA say?
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
@CatholicAmerican BlameRepublicans doesn't know what he believes in. He's just on here looking for a fight and attention. Yesterday he attempted to pigeonhole my entire nation because he took personal offense at my rejection of his "sexual advances". You're trying to reason with someone who cannot grasp why his request for naked photos from a complete stranger on youtube was inappropriate. His social skills are very poorly developed.
MsColdCanada 1 year ago
@MsColdCanada
But I believe that most people act this way because they have been marginalized by the people close to them. If anything I haven't cussed at him and that counts for something even if he continues to respond negatively. I will eventually have to stop responding and move elsewhere but I'm not currently engaged on another video yet. This is kind of a ministry for me. I used to be an atheist.
You read that @BR ? Just because I haven't said so doesn't mean I'm not praying for you.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
The FDA is a Science based law enforcement agency. They don't consult an Oracle nor do they toss chicken bones onto the ground and read the future, or "pray" for information. They do science. Nice try god squad. Try again.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
"mind raped by religious non-sense"
Quit pretending that atheism isn't a religion. Atheists are the biggest religious zealots on the internet. You can't have a conversation without trying to bring religion into it. Here, it is you who have constantly tried to turn abortion into a religious debate. That seems to be clear to everyone here except you. I've tried to stick to biology and other testable scientific topics but NO, you keep interjecting religious statements.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
I've been waiting for that one. Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color. Religion must - at it's core have faith, correct? Faith is the believe in some proposition in the absence of proof, correct? Atheism requires no faith whatsoever. I see no proof of god, therefore I am an Atheist. Atheism is blissfully un-religious.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
If you have ever really studied evolution, you know that there are no testable elements in the theory of evolution.
The same is true for string theory.
The big bang theory (remember that this one was coined by a Catholic Priest)
If you believe that the world came to be by chance occurrence then you are living by faith because there is no way for you to test that theory.
btw, Catholics are free to believe in evolution, string theory, and the big bang. God Created physics.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans Ok, yes there are people in both category who abuse either. The Dover creationists are the religious example of this. But they're missing the point just as much as the New Atheists are. The point of religion is to "immanentize" the transcendent category -bringing it into an anthropomorphized form that we can relate to. And you can't have any real transcendent values without this. This is the function of religion, but the "new atheists" just don't get this.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
I'm sure you are proud of your Nuremberg Jonestown rally but my statistics are true. You believe a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree - BUT you don't believe my statistics? Your "wish-thinking" as Dawkins calls it
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
Well that's the problem, you're looking at ink on paper (statistics). I look at the hundreds of thousands of people who I interact with at places like "World Youth Day" and "The March For Life".
You live in a made up paper world which is why you treat your fellow man poorly.
I live in the real world and anchor what I believe to things that are observable in reality like the development of a human being. The purpose and function of sexual anatomy. Real things!
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
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I'm not the one who believes a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. That's YOU. So do you *really* think you can speak on "reality"? You can't. Life is not a dress rehearsal for heaven. Stop living as such
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
"A Jewish Zombie" now that's a creative way to poke fun at Jesus and I can understand how an ignorant person would take delight in someone who articulates things in that way but the clever wording is just meant to convert the daft. It doesn't provide one ounce of satisfaction to anyone who thinks critically about the origin of man. Did you will yourself into existence?
Your entire comment was yet another religious rant and had nothing to do with abortion.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
My own origin is pretty simple. Sometime in 1970 mom and dad were bored. They had sexual intercourse, 9 months later I was born.
Oh - Abortion falls under the control of the woman. No one else.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
"my mom and dad were bored"
I have kids because my wife and I are in love. That led to us using our sexual anatomy in the way nature has designed it. This started the process of human generation that you can watch in live video by google searching "Vimeo Biology of Prenatal Development".
I wish you could experience life in our house. Our children are wildly scientific. Did you know that Catholic Franciscan Friar, Roger Bacon is the Father of the scientific method? Look it up.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
Without the aid of the media the "March For Life" in D.C. drew a 400,000+ crowd in 29 degree weather. What has atheism done? Drawn people to a Metalica concert?
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
Insanity in large groups is still insanity. In 2010 1,799,601 Muslims all went to Mecca for Hajj. That trumps your few hundred thousand any day. So are we to infer that Islam is more correct?
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
You have a talent for being a wordsmith and pseudo intellectual gymnastics, I'll give you that much. So when I asked what atheism has done you quote what the Muslim religion has done. I didn't question the accomplishments of the Muslim religion. They strive to keep their members ignorant just like the atheists. Only the Catholics advance individuals regardless of their religious creed. I'm glad they have built and run the most hospitals. Atheists won't be turned away.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
Atheism in one form or another has given the world scientific knowledge. Atheism doesn't have "members". This is to say there's no card you can carry that proves you are free of primitive cult myths. It doesn't work that way. Keeping people ignorant is in direct opposition of freethinkers. That's religion's role. You have already admitted that you seek to keep child ignorant of sex, you try to deny victims of spinal cord injury the ability to walk by blocking stem cell research, etc...
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
I've seen your example of "freethinkers". It was clear that when you said "Stay away from priests". You're a person who wants people to have blinders on. Catholic teaching encourages people to engage others with opposing views. Catholic teaching also instructs people to cite original historical documents if they are going to make claims about the past. Your claim that the Church keeps people ignorant is unfounded. It's an atheist bedtime story. Brick buildings refute you.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
Yes or No - has the Catholic Church not hosted and harbored pedophile priests? God's watching - answer honestly...(that's not much of a threat now is it. God was watching those priests too so I guess he just doesn't give a shit)
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
Heck yes. And Jesus called Judas to follow him but neither the homosexual priest or Judas followed Jesus.
An individual always has the free will to commit evil. Sexual abuse is evil.
But here is your atheist brainwashing at work. You speak not of the far greater cases of sexual assault in public schools. You'll say that priests are molesting kids because they can't have sex, well what's the excuse for public school teachers? You're a secularist and you are very ignorant.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
Oh I see. The teachers get to do it so why can't the clergy? LOL. I've never pondered the reasons why the priests did what they did. It doesn't matter. They're doing it and until it started hemorrhaging settlement money the Church chose to ignore it. You let these priests off easy. Anyone who tells me they're the personal envoy of god right before he sticks his dick in me rates off the charts compared to your run of the mill pedophile.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
word play, yet again.
Both the teachers and the homosexual priests were acting in a gravely disordered way.
You're a subjective speaker. You categorize pedophilia on a sliding scale based on your world view. Even on topics of pedophilia it's all about you. Tell that to the abuse victims themselves. Your comments are very near sighted and selfish.
That is the classic atheist response "religious people should be punished more severely than secular criminals". You're a bigot.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
Your hospital would be stuck in the stone age if not for the hard work of SCIENTISTS. The very institution your cult hates - so you can't really take credit for that. Truth be told if you had any real faith you would simply pray to jesus when you were sick. But such is the flimsy nature of your faith. You use computers, electricity, medical doctors, automobiles, indoor plumbing, etc....all things brought forth by SCIENCE, owing NOTHING to your christ cult.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
Scientists like Fr. Gregor Mandel who pioneered the study of genetics.
Or how about a Christian like Dr. Francis Collins who headed the human genome project.
The study of medicine has always been a Catholic endeavor. Look at the advances in ADULT stem cell research. There are over 70 treatments for things now where as the secular driven embryonic human destruction stem cell research has produced ZERO treatments and a ton of misleading puff articles in med. journals.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
"Gregor Johann Mendel (July 20, 1822 – January 6, 1884) was an Austrian Augustinian monk and scientist..."
"AND SCIENTIST" Just what he did to draw a pay-check is inconsequential. His contributions to Science came from his SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH. Not your non-sense religion. I worked my way through University as a janitor. Do mops and broom deserve credit for the scientific project I worked on?
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
Scientific research cultivated by Catholic institutions of higher education. Encouraged and funded by Catholic clerics. Quit trying to spin history.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
It almost balances out for all the burned heretics.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
"burned heretics"
Cite an original historical document that names one and cite to me their offense.
Yes, I'm aware that there are such documents so that means you should be able to find one but I don't think you have actually read any. Real history isn't as anti-religious as you spin it to be.
Cite a source.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
What's wrong Catho-Merica? "bed time" for you again?
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@CatholicAmerican You are amazing. You have remained cordial and respectful amid this individual's incessant criticisms. This person is very angry and is using you and others as a personal punching bag. I've argued with his kind many times before but it usually comes to the same end...inconclusive and unproductive. Still, as U have stated, the truth is being witnessed as you voice it by others who likewise will benefit from it. So, keep up the good work. God bless you for your tireless efforts.
mamaluvsherbabes 1 year ago
@mamaluvsherbabes you two should get a room. Though I think that's a sin.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans I'm sorry you're so critical and dissatisfied. We're open to constructively debate. You needn't become so condescending. Much could be learned through a respectful exchange of opinions and beliefs.
mamaluvsherbabes 1 year ago
Any American worth his salt bristles at the prospect of others handing our liberty over to the Pope. Some people are not worth my respect.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans I don't believe "CatholicAmerican" or anyone else is interested in handing over our precious liberties to the pope. Although, some may be gradually convinced to sacrifice more and more of our freedoms under the guise of a false protection from the government. It is not each other with whom we should fight. One day, we may need to rely upon each other.
mamaluvsherbabes 1 year ago
@piemaster2223
It's a great point you are making. In order to be in favor of a so called "right" to abortion, you have to introduce a schizophrenic narrative into the works because pregnancy and parenthood are the natural goal of human fertility and many "pro-choicers" are parents.
They recognize the undeniable biological fact of human fertility but they have been indoctrinated from childhood to hold a sexual ethic that runs counter to the biological fact and the responsibility connected to it.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
Please don't speak about "sexual ethics". As a Catholic you are the LEAST qualified among us to run your mouth. Are you a member of the clergy? How many lives have you ruined? How much money have you taken your flock for? Corrupt animals like you deserve no say in individual rights. Given the right circumstances it would be you (or more likely your sheep) to fly a jet liner into the nearest sky scrapper. You're nuts.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
You make the point clear again.
Anybody who doesn't agree with your world view doesn't deserve rights.
You say, "animals like you deserve no say in individual rights."
This oppressive mentality springs out of your views on man and abortion.
By the way, I'm a married father of 3.
Please behave yourself and refrain from typing hateful despicable comments. They don't advance your personal thesis any.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
Other than supporting the over turning of Row V. Wade - what have YOU done to stop abortions? Adopted an unwanted child? Paid for free contraception for those who can't afford it? What? Most "Pro-Life" folks I know haven't done a damn thing except strip rights from others. That's real cheap. It's called "love the fetus, hate the child." Ironically the those who seek to ban abortion bristle at Hillary Clinton when she said "It takes a village to raise a child." Will you pay for the kids?
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
I'm helping an infertile couple find a child to adopt.
Contraception rendered the woman infertile.
I can name 11 families who have adopted children in my parish.
How does adoption change the logic of what you are saying. "If there is no one who will adopt, we should kill humans". That has nothing to do with "rights" that's just bad logic.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
Abortion is the enemy, right? My point is most anti-choice people I know hate abortion just enough to motive them to strip rights away from others but not quite enough to open their wallets or compromise their opinions on things like contraception and reality based sex ed. You're fear mongering comment above is a perfect example "Contraception rendered the woman infertile". Why didn't you say "God chose not to bless them with their own child"? Your religious agenda drips through your posts.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
Fear mongers are the ones who try to tell women that they have a right to kill another human and then tell them that evil men who are republicans are trying to take those rights away because they want to oppress women. That's real fear mongering.
You make no appeals to biological facts. I do. You make appeals to poorly constructed laws that are not grounded in nature but are rather grounded in appeasing disordered human will.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
That's the great thing about freedom. No one tells you you're free. You assume you are free and you wait for some delusional freak to come take your rights away from you. The degree to which you fight said thieves of freedom is the degree to which you are free. Biology? So now you DO BELIEVE in Science? At the moment 100,000 people die from starvation each day. That's right. Your "god" seems to have sent too many angels for the existing food stocks. Biologically speaking abortion works.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
"So now you DO BELIEVE in Science?"
That's a shamefully ignorant statement.
Catholics throughout history have been at the forefront of scientific advancement.
George Lemaitre, the Father of the Big Bang theory.
Abbot Gregor Mendel, the Father of Genetics.
Franciscan Friar, Roger Bacon, the Father of Scientific Laws.
St. Archbishop Nicolas Steno, the Father of Geology.
Rene Descartes, the Father of Modern Rationalism.
Fr. Marin Mersenne, the Father of Acoustics.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
All of whom would have faced slow agonizing deaths by torture at the hands of Church inquisitors had they failed to tow the church line. Are you sure that's something you can be proud of?
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
Cite one book on the inquisition that you have read.
Cite one original historical document on the subject you have read. I'm going to bet (because you act like the last 20 secularists that I've debated) that you have only read atheist hate blogs on the subject. You are a part of a very ignorant group of people who make up stories about events they didn't live through.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
"A history of the Marranos", "Inquisition and Medieval Society", and "The Inquisition: The Hammer of Heresy." This is you "debating"? Complaining about paying taxes and whining at me that I'm immoral is not "debating" it's you being a typical dogma bound christian.
You got me there. I'm not quite old enough to have lived through it. Unlike your Bible there is actual proof showing the inquisition happened. Funny how your love of proof comes and goes.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans "Are you sure that's something you can be proud of?"
This isn't something to be proud of, but this is a pot meet kettle situation. The last time the church did something like this was at least 300 years. Atheistic ideologies (which often reject transcendent value -it needn't be religious just Platonic) have done far worse things in the 20th century.
This is not to say that atheists are any worse than theists it's just saying you should be careful in your attributions.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
Religous people behaving badly did so for their religion. People like Stalin or Tung may happen to have been Atheist but they were fanatics who abandoned reason and rational thought and did what they did not out of anything to do with Atheism. We can't say this about Bin Laden or Hitler.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans You're missing the point. This distinction is splitting hairs. Stalin killed people because of his ideology -which they also thought was based on reason- but wasn't. The ideology was based on materialism and thereby denied any transcendent values. While this is not identical with atheism the two go hand in hand. It's safe to say that the atheist paradigm caused this ideology.
Religion (whether you add God in or not) helps people be rational regarding the transcendent category.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
You make a good case against Stalinism, but not Atheism. Stalin's departure from sanity was based on his political beliefs in the here and now. Using his lack of a believe in the here after is like saying he did what he did b/c he no longer believed in Santa Clause.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans "Stalin's departure from sanity was based on his political beliefs..."
You're missing the forest for the trees. Let's step back and do this Socratically. What was the philosophic foundation of his political beliefs?
"he no longer believed in Santa Clause."
Strangely yes, research "Plato" and "Noble lie" for this one. Think like everyone "believing in Harvey Dent" at the end of The Dark Knight to prevent Gotham city from slipping into the Joker's nihilism.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans (cont.)Let me break this down a little further. If we assume materialism (materialism and atheism go hand in hand) and we take it to it's logical conclusion then it leads to the conclusion that there are no Platonic (ie. transcendent) truths -because Platonic truths are not material.
If this is the case though then it lead to the belief that there are no values "above us" and that we just make our own values up.If we do that we can make any values up we want -like Stalin did.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@JohananRaatz Yeah than the rest of the population but those numbers have always been like that. It's not like there has been a big shift on this or anything. Besides all of that the existence of God has more to do with philosophy than science. Science (this not withstanding: watch?v=Kj8UdHuP5l8 ) has a hard time saying one way or the other. Most of the reason people are atheists or theists in science has more to do with their fundamental underlying philosophies rather than science itself.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
The reasons we reject god are many and as vaired as those who take such a bold step. The truth is it's happening and in greater numers all the time.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans It is at the moment, but you are failing to understand that part of this is quite literally hard-wired. Religion exists in part due to evolutionary psychology. And even without God, there will still be a necessity for a "transcendent psychological function" that would take the place of religion. Today's "new athiests" are far too ready to reject ideals thought of as "above them."
BTW (though this wasn't a religious God perse) what did you make of my Universal Orch-OR videos?
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
see Dawkins’ "Nice guys finish first". Altruism and adherence to social norms of behavior have evolutionary benefits. I don't use the lack of God as a excuse to go do whatever. A vast majority of Atheists are the same way or else it would be us blowing shit up and committing genocide instead of you theists.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans "We can't say this about Bin Laden or Hitler."
And BTW Hitler wasn't exactly religious himself. He was early on, but then we was just faking it to use religion for his own ends. He actually forced his entire cabinet to go to church for propaganda purposes even though they were complaining about it.
Though granted there have been some suggestions that he had his own weird religion based on a mish-mash of occult ideas -which tend to be wilder than regular religious ideas.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord Jesus Christ..." Adolf Hitler "Mein Kampf"
Read up on the Reich Concordat between Hitler and the Vatican. He was indeed a Christian. He never denounced. He ordered Mosques and Synagogues destroyed while protecting Christian Churches, and he was never excommunicated. There is no doubt
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans Hitler was Christian only in name not in conduct. Hitler was a Jew who hated his ancestry. Hitler protected the Christian churches in an effort to brain wash the majority of Germans into thinking Jews were less than human. Unfortunately, he was successful in convincing a majority of Germans. Although there were hundreds who refused his lie and remained true to Christ...many of whom lost their lives trying to hide their Jewish neighbors.
mamaluvsherbabes 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans You don't understand the Hitler. The details of his personal life and that of his associates suggests this -the more privately discussed stuff. How many politicians "believe in God" today?
Let me give you a hint: "The Prince must always appear to be very religious..."
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
Andreas Vesalius, the Father of Modern Anatomy and Physiology.
Antoine Lavoisier, the Father of Modern Chemistry.
Blaise Pascal, the Father of Hydrostatics.
Louis Pasteur, the Father of Pasteurization.
Archdeacon Nicolaus Copernicus, the Father of Heliocentrism.
Pierre Duhem, the Father of the History of Medieval Science.
Fr. George Coyne, the discoverer of asteroid 14429 Coyne.
Dr. Martin Nowak, discoveries in evolutionary dynamics.
Guglielmo Marconi, the Father of Radio.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
Again all of whom faced either torture and death or at least (in more recent times) estrangement from their loved ones and loss of their livelihood had they failed to show up to Church. It's only now that the Church can no longer coerce people into joining that we see RAPID departure from religion by Scientific professionals. In other words as soon as it became optional - Scientists bugged out. Why? Because Scientists are smart. Superstitious sheep are not.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
So you're calling Dr. Francis Collins, the head of the human genome project, stupid. What ever man. We are to the point now where I would be shocked if you actually posted a rational statement that was grounded in reality.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans "It's only now that the Church can no longer coerce people into joining that we see RAPID departure from religion by Scientific professionals."
I'm IN the sciences and I can tell you that's simply not true. Are they less orthodox on such things as Genesis? Sure. But a decent proportion of scientists are religious. In my own physics dept. there are many people who are religious who'd you'd never guess as being religious based on their scientific beliefs.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
"Many studies have been conducted in the United States and have generally found that scientists are less likely to believe in God than the rest of the population. Precise definitions and statistics vary, but generally about 1/3 are atheists, 1/3 agnostic, and 1/3 believe in God..."
/wiki/Relationship_between_religion_and_science
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
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JohananRaatz 1 year ago
Helmuth Nyborg conduted a study to see how IQ and religiosity relate. He found Atheists on average were 5.89 IQ points higher than theists. Does this mean Atheists are smarter? Or smarter people become Atheist? Either way...Of course it's not black and white, but in my life I have found the closer one sticks to religious dogma, the dumer they are.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans Ok, as for IQ. I know the average but this is an ad hom. Personally though I know my own IQ. It's 155. What's yours?
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@JohananRaatz my IQ?? It’s 155 1/2. ;-) Last it was tested 138 - math is not my friend. I'm not saying Atheist = smart, theist = dumb, but I do find the results interesting, and the fact that the smartest people among us, the Scientists, are IN GENERAL turning away from religion and embracing skepticism.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans Ok, let me explain these results. Why academics turn away from this. It's not because of the beliefs perse (though some beliefs are clearly wrong eg. creationism) It's more to do with a "politics of academia" thing. There are certain things that "everyone knows" in academia that if you don't people look at you funny. These include materialism, positivism, eliminativism etc. For example when I was a kid I saw a poltergeist two feet away from me, I don't talk about it though.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans (cont.) There are a lot of things which ordinary religious people believe that are unrealistic or don't match up to the real reality of what is going on. And a lot of other things which they believe which may be true, but not quite in the way they imagined. However what you see in academia is in part a reaction to that and in part based on a subconscious drive to fit into the "correct view" on certain fundamental things. (it's a I-Want-To-Believeism vs. Scully Syndrome thing.)
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans (cont.) I might also note that these numbers are generally static with scientists. I saw a similar poll about ten years ago. It's not like they are generally turning away from it as a trend. It's that they are fixed at about 1/3 atheist 1/3 agnostic and 1/3 theist.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
Pro-Life Catholics are responsible for building institutes of higher education like The University of Paris, Universitas Magistrorum et Scholarium, Abbey of St. Denis, University of Reims, Collège de Bons Enfants, University of Cologne, University of Vienna, Charles University in Prague, Notre Dame, University of Dallas, Michigan University, Boston College, Ave Maria University, Georgetown, Gonzaga University, Villanova, and Fordham University.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
Again - all things began back when being an open Atheist was not allowed, so anyone who did anything of note could be claimed by one church or another. None of these achievements are exclusive to your faith. Muslims, Jews, Mormons, Scientologists, etc...have all started schools. If the Catholic church wants to actually do more good than bad the Pope should 1.) Allow the use of contraception 2.) Keep his nose out of our domestic social/political business. 3.) Stop protecting child rapists.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
"being an open Atheist was not allowed"
Cite your source. You're just making up stories. What time period are you even talking about.
You clearly get your history from movies and not books. Didn't I already say that secularists seek control of the media in order to give a false impression of world events.
Secularists always use the tactic of making as vague of accusations as they can. You are demonstrating this classic secularist tactic.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
LOL "Cite your sources" - Or what? it means your fanatic fore-fathers didn't boil people in oil to get their children to convert??? Go crack any histoy book...Even as recently as 2005 we have public school teachers being pushed out of their jobs by religious idiots who resent the fact that teaching evolution is the LAW.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans "Even as recently as 2005 we have public school teachers being pushed out of their jobs by religious idiots who resent the fact that teaching evolution is the LAW. "
That's bad, and the boiling in oil thing was even worse. However the boiling in oil thing happened a REALLY long time ago. Whereas most of the people I know who support fetal homicide TODAY (not long ago) tend to be atheists. Both have the excesses but which one is more dangerous?
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
You traded in your boiling oil for burning witches, or conducted pogroms, Holocausts, genocides, terror attacks - all based on religion and YES - all far more destructive than abortion. They only reason Pat Robertson and the 700 Club are not out there hanging homosexuals in the streets is SECULAR Governance. By definition religious people can not control themselves. They're bound to a "higher law" and we have ample proof of this. Christian Americans only appear less savage b/c of secularism.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans You are incorrect in your assessment of Christians/Pat Robertson. Christians hate the sin while loving the sinner. Secular governance has nothing to do with not Christians refraining from "hanging homosexuals"...it is the Christian's allegiance to God that prevents him/her from behaving in such a heinous fashion.
mamaluvsherbabes 1 year ago
You keep telling yourself that, but it’s the same god and gospel now that was around during Inquisition, Crusades and Holocaust. The only thing that’s changed is the thin line of Secularists like me keeping your religious chaff out of our government. The best thing for humanity would be for all religion to die a quick, silent death.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans I agree with you on one point, it IS the same God and Gospel. And you're right, religion is not of God. However, Christianity is a personal relationship with the Lord. Religion is man made, for the most part. But there have always been those who falsely claim to do God's work. We can't judge God by what man has done supposedly in His name. There is much you do not understand, my friend.
mamaluvsherbabes 1 year ago
I think you're letting your god off the hook. Whenever some very unlikely but good outcome happens - like the pilot landing his jet on the Hudson river without loss of life - we hear theists say "thank god". When Adolf Hitler exterminated half the world's Jews no one said "why did god let that happen?" To be clear - there is no evidence of god *especially* a god involved with the events of our lives. God is in my opinion a projection of the human mind. Some see what they want to see.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans "To be clear - there is no evidence of god *especially* a god involved with the events of our lives. God is in my opinion a projection of the human mind. Some see what they want to see."
On a side note, just for the sake of trying it out I'm going to suggest you read some Carl Jung, also read about his collaboration with Wolfgang Pauli (of the "Pauli exclusion principle"). See what you find.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans I hear ya. But there are reasons for these things. We know that if it's good, it's God. (James 1:17). We also know that God has a perfect will as well as a permissive will. Specifically, He has given man the ability to do right or to do wrong. I don't understand why God allows some of the things He allows. But I do know that there is always a reason that I won't know until I live in Heaven.I've experienced HIm on a personal level. He's given visions/dreams that have come 2 pass
mamaluvsherbabes 1 year ago
Didn't your god order the ececution of a guy for collecting firewood? (Numbers 15:40)
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
"The best thing for humanity would be for all religion to die a quick, silent death."
We get it, you hate religion but what are you going to do when Roe v. Wade is neutralized by the house and senate? Did you know that the Dred Scott ruling has never been overturned? Look it up. This immoral ruling was simply neutralized by other means. This same process is happening to the immoral ruling of Roe v. Wade. The U.S. is waking up to biology and becoming Pro-Life.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
@CatholicAmerican what am I going to do? Support those politicians who seek to protect our rights and undermine the religious zealots who betrayed the 1st Amendment. I will harbor/protect and promote illegal abortion providers and the women/girls who seek them through money and logistics. What do you mean by "waking up to biology"? What does biology and Liberty have to do with one another?
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans Really? The Salem Witch trials only killed 19 people. Russia and China had the largest mass killings in history -not just this century and it wasn't for religious motivation but dialectical materialism. And abortion kills 1.2 mil a year my ass it's less destructive.
"hanging homosexuals in the streets"
Do you HONESTLY believe they'd do that anymore? Really? Come on now. Yes there are a few kooks but by and large this is not the case even among the "Bible-thumping types."
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@JohananRaatz That's 19 more people than were killed in the name of Atheism. The atrocities in Russia and China were not conducted in the name of or because of Atheism. Stalin had a mustache perhaps he killed those people in the name of mustachedom?
YES. Without a doubt if not for the protections of secular government you bet your ass the christians would be right back to their old ways. It is the result of their "faith". Belief in the unverifiable.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans "not conducted in the name of or because of Atheism. "
That's a load of BS and you know it. You are splitting hairs as to their exact motivation, but are missing the bigger picture. Let's try this Socratically for a moment: What philosophic/political motivation DID Stalin have? (I'll see from your answer to the question and we will pick up from there)
"bet your ass the christians would be right back"
(facepalm) No, that's completely unrealistic.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
No - no one is out burning anyone at the stake becase they refuse to become Atheist. Stalin was motivated by his Communist ideals. He saw any harm he did as “worthy” of the revolution. I beg you to find a quote, any quote where he says he did what he did to further the cause of Atheism. Christianity was the cause of the genocide in the former Yugoslavia. The moment their secular government was gone – the followers of Jesus were murdering non-believers and digging mass graves. FACT.
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans "Stalin was motivated by his Communist ideals... ...any quote where he says he did what he didto further the cause of Atheism. "
You're missing the forest for the trees again. It's not in a specific quote, but let's continue on with this Socratic discussion to get the bigger picture. What are Communist ideals motivated on? Namely what philosophy? (Hint: what did Marx incorporate into the basis of his ideology?)
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans (cont.) "becase they refuse to become Atheist."
Actually, they did. Not "burned at the stake" perse, but yes in as many words. People who were caught being Christian in the USSR were sent to the gulags for simply the crime of OWNING a Bible. Same thing in China -though they also go after Muslims and Buddhists there. I actually remember talking with someone from I believe it was the Czech Republic who said he had horrible childhood memories like this.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
What are the "old ways" of Christians?
You make up stories about these so called "old ways" but every time I press a secularist to give me an original historical document, they balk and point me to an atheist blog instead.
As far as I can tell from reading original sources, Christianity is responsible for the greatest astronomical findings, global circumnavigation, Universities, Soup kitchens, orphanages, Hospitals.
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
LOL. Right is this the same Christian Church that said anyone who claimed the Earth went around the Sun was a heretic? Real good "astronomical findings". Please - the list of atrocities for which your cult is responsible is far too long to post here. To this very day you believe in absurdities like transubstantiation. You are insane if you think your cult is anything but an albatross around the neck of human progress! HA!!!
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
"anyone who claimed the Earth went around the Sun was a heretic"
Cite your source.
Because "On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Bodies" was dedicated to Pope Paul III. What are you talking about?
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago
"cite your source"
I already listed at least three books on the subject. Funny how your thirst for facts comes and goes. You do believe in the "virgin birth" right? LOL...
BlameRepublicans 1 year ago
@BlameRepublicans
WHAT BOOKS?
CatholicAmerican 1 year ago