his relationship with batman became more and more powerful to challenge his sanity. Why can the batman nevr kill him? Because he was the only vilain that managed to affect him psychologically to prove that their characters are very much alike. the joker put gotham to the test, he wasnt able to prove thats his madness was not madness and merely the same thoughts of a self conscience member of the public. but that dosnt mean its not true.....
This was one of the most awesome and epic scenes I've ever seen on film.
At this point, it didn't matter that Dent was corrupted or that the Joker lived. The Joker had FAILED miserably. And do you know what was the best thing about it? Batman wasn't responsible for it, the Gotham police department wasn't responsible for it.
No, the ones responsible for defeating the Joker were the ordinary people of Gotham City.
@IAmTheStig320 joker was defeated symbolically in this scene, and that compensates the dozens of real victories he had during the movie?, all the people he murdered, the infrastructure he destroyed?
@crazytalkerman The Jokers interntion was to bring out the shadow side of humanity. Even if the Joker claimed to not have plans, everything he'd done lead up to this. The point of this was to destroy all hope- to show people will do whatever they can to survive, and simultaneoulsy prove with Harvey that even the truly heroic can be brought down to his level. He wanted to prove humanity was as ugly as him and failed. So I think the Batman (at least partially) won.
any thoughts as to why The Joker would be reading the threat from his notes rather than just speaking at 2:30 ? What could that mean? that he has bad memory or that he was maybe just following orders? :-/
No, you are not the only one who has though about that. Ever since I saw the movie I have been questioning it. If the Joker can trick Batman into saving Harvey Dent instead of Rachel from the warehouse, then wouldn't he be smart enough to trick passengers of the boats into thinking the detonator went to other boat instead of their own. Something to think about.
No, you are not the only one. If i am in the civilians boat and i hear the joker say that, i would immediately think that the joker want the people in those boats to kill themselves accidentally, instead of what happens in this movie, where they almost start making list of the pros and cons of letting the other people kill them
@xxxxxxsusiexxxxxx No, I don't think so because Joker wanted to crush the people's faith in each other. If it was a trick, and the people in one boat pushed the button and killed themselves, people would have martydomed them and villified the other because they wouldn't have known the truth about it. But it was true and they blew it, they would all feel guilty and ashamed altogether, both the survivors and the city.
I actually asked my mom a question similar to this scene. I asked her if she was in this situation and she had a choice would she blow up the other boat or not? she said she wouldn't blow up the boat. maybe I should ask my other family members the same question but knowing their morals and beliefs, they wouldn't do it. but I can't help but wonder if they would still think about it just a little.
This is a scene that I consider the best in the last 3 years of my life man! This rocks! When I watched this scene in the cinema, I can't even shake my hand, so intense man!
Just like the Joker says "You'll see......when the chips are down, these uh....these civilized people....they'll eat each other..."
The 'civilized' people on the so called 'good boat' were just as anxious and trigger-happy. Many on this boat were judging the prisoners as if they are all bad people at the core, but this scene proves that some of these 'bad people' have a profound sense of goodness and spirituality instilled in them.
I get chills when he throws the detonator out of the boat
I thought so when i saw the movie for the forst time. you know, joker tells that you could blow up the other boat, but then you make yourself explode instead...
You guys get to do an essay on this scene? Wow, that is cool.
I would write something like "It goes to show that our stereostypes and labels about the so called 'bad guys' can be misleading, as this scene proves that even self-proclaimed 'civilized people' can be just as dangerous when the chips are down."
The Joker announces to the public that anyone left in Gotham at nightfall will be subject to his rule. With the bridges and tunnels out of the city closed due to a warning by the Joker, authorities begin evacuating people by ferry. The Joker has explosives placed on two of the ferries—one ferry with convicts, who were evacuated in an effort to keep the Joker from freeing them, and the other with civilians.
@AlisonLouiseTbh I realize you left this comment two years ago, but I was really curious, how did that essay go? did you understand the scene in the end?
That would make some sense, that's the kind of thing the Joker would do here, but blowing up the other boat is the kind of action that he would accept and reward.
its easy to say "oh i would of blown them up the first chance i got" now, but if you were on a boat, with a swtich controling dozens of lives, you wouldnt think the same.
Of course that logic also works both ways. It's easy to act noble and say "oh no, I would never blow up the other boat just to save my own life" but then when the time comes, it's easy for cowardice to kick in and blow them all to pieces.
she's the blonde one, uhm. can see her at 0:31 and like, 2:00 lol. ah epic. she doesn't even TELL US when she does this, i almost screamed and pointed at the screen in the cinema. i held it back as a little yelp instead so people looked at me funny :P
When Morgan Friedman first saw the cellphone/tv machine and said "that's too much power for one man to have," it was a dig at Google in general and Google street view, in particular.
he was expecting that he can turn every good people in bad ones, like he did whit Harvey, the detonator from the prisoners ferry was trowed overboard and the the guy from the citizens ferry was almost going to do it... great twists
I think that eitherway The Joker would have made each remote blow up the boat that they belonged to, to show that somebody's greed and selfish, heartless attitude would lead to their demise.
The people on each boat should have easily realized this, but the moment corrupted their judgment and would have pushed them to activating the remote. However, the man on the citizen boat didn't have the heart to do it, and the man on the prisoner boat was selfless and threw it out the window, showing good.
That's because you've never actually had to do it. But let's face it; it's easy to be all noble and say "Oh no, I would never kill a human being just to save myself," but then when you're actually put to the test, cowardice kicks in and you push the button. Personally I can't say for certain that I wouldn't do it, and people have gone bad for more trivial reasons than survival.
I didn't say for certain that I wouldn't do it I just don't think I would based on what I know about myself. Like I said before it all depends on the kind of person you are. I have heard that some people regard honour to be more important than life itself so who knows? The point is humans in any situation are capable of doing both evil and good things we are neither completely one or the another. Also some people like to say we're no better than animals but even animals are capable of kindness.
Don't be so sure. People can sometimes surprise you with what they do. It all depend really on what kind of a person you are. I think this scene ironically calls back to what the joker said earlier about when people are facing death they show you who you really are. Well that's what happens here but not like he expected.
I LOVE how the prisoner chucks the remote
tpauluchs 6 days ago
when the "ships" are down ... those civilized people will eat each other !! BRAINGASM !!
TornadoMDR 1 week ago
this was so smart of the joker. and the people are noble. who knows what people would do in this situation?
moonshoespotter1712 1 week ago
dam. reminds me a bit of 2012
port753 2 weeks ago
This scene was probably more impressive than any "choice" scene from the Saw movies
TheAxeFish 3 weeks ago
his relationship with batman became more and more powerful to challenge his sanity. Why can the batman nevr kill him? Because he was the only vilain that managed to affect him psychologically to prove that their characters are very much alike. the joker put gotham to the test, he wasnt able to prove thats his madness was not madness and merely the same thoughts of a self conscience member of the public. but that dosnt mean its not true.....
fuzzimuzzle 1 month ago
This is one of the most dramatic and coolest scenes i've ever seen. Really well done
This scene alone makes me wanna see The Dark Knight Rises, because i don't know how they will top this.
Slymind 1 month ago
how the hell can The Dark Knight Rises top this?
elcap22 2 months ago
@elcap22 It can try
AIRTUBEY 20 hours ago
This was one of the most awesome and epic scenes I've ever seen on film.
At this point, it didn't matter that Dent was corrupted or that the Joker lived. The Joker had FAILED miserably. And do you know what was the best thing about it? Batman wasn't responsible for it, the Gotham police department wasn't responsible for it.
No, the ones responsible for defeating the Joker were the ordinary people of Gotham City.
So. Bad. Ass.
IAmTheStig320 2 months ago
@IAmTheStig320 joker was defeated symbolically in this scene, and that compensates the dozens of real victories he had during the movie?, all the people he murdered, the infrastructure he destroyed?
crazytalkerman 2 months ago
@crazytalkerman The Jokers interntion was to bring out the shadow side of humanity. Even if the Joker claimed to not have plans, everything he'd done lead up to this. The point of this was to destroy all hope- to show people will do whatever they can to survive, and simultaneoulsy prove with Harvey that even the truly heroic can be brought down to his level. He wanted to prove humanity was as ugly as him and failed. So I think the Batman (at least partially) won.
IamIndeedLayingAnEgg 2 months ago
@IamIndeedLayingAnEgg so, you think if the civilians boat blows up, that´s not the worst case scenario?
crazytalkerman 1 month ago
its all game theory...
KnightsofNetwork 2 months ago
you just know, everyone would scramble to blow each other up in real life
trollope4lyf2k8 2 months ago
@trollope4lyf2k8 I agree with you, this scene is bullshit
sdwhitesox 1 month ago
SAW.
Gamesharkedfr 3 months ago
DAMN DEBO STILL IN JAIL?!?!?!
surforest2 3 months ago 2
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surforest2 3 months ago
(3:11) Dear Nolan: NOBODY TALKS LIKE THAT!!!!
horaciosi 3 months ago
Does anyone know the name of the actor sitting down at 2:51? I've seen him before but cant find his name..
krupza 3 months ago
My moms friend is in this movie, hes a prisoner :3
Chezeism 4 months ago
The Joker is a genius!
happyface421 9 months ago
"Well now, who are you to decide? We oughta talk this over, at least!" - What a douche!
semiinsane 1 year ago
How did The Joker smuggle a hundred barrels without no one noticed?
Michael2t 1 year ago
any thoughts as to why The Joker would be reading the threat from his notes rather than just speaking at 2:30 ? What could that mean? that he has bad memory or that he was maybe just following orders? :-/
nemirc 1 year ago
@nemirc I imagine having the Joker reading his lines was just supposed to be a little funny.
TKA001 1 year ago
is it just me, or does everytime batman has his suit thing on, he sounds like he has throat cancer... kinda wierd
purplemunshkin 1 year ago
am i the only one to think that as a twist that whoever was to push the detonator would have blown up their own boat?
xxxxxxsusiexxxxxx 2 years ago
No, you are not the only one who has though about that. Ever since I saw the movie I have been questioning it. If the Joker can trick Batman into saving Harvey Dent instead of Rachel from the warehouse, then wouldn't he be smart enough to trick passengers of the boats into thinking the detonator went to other boat instead of their own. Something to think about.
jamesmilos 2 years ago
No, you are not the only one. If i am in the civilians boat and i hear the joker say that, i would immediately think that the joker want the people in those boats to kill themselves accidentally, instead of what happens in this movie, where they almost start making list of the pros and cons of letting the other people kill them
julianzolo 2 years ago
@xxxxxxsusiexxxxxx Nope! I did too.
ljgibbs27 2 years ago
@xxxxxxsusiexxxxxx No, I don't think so because Joker wanted to crush the people's faith in each other. If it was a trick, and the people in one boat pushed the button and killed themselves, people would have martydomed them and villified the other because they wouldn't have known the truth about it. But it was true and they blew it, they would all feel guilty and ashamed altogether, both the survivors and the city.
Tuckerscreator 1 year ago
this reminds me alot of the classic saw traps
PkerWhomerang 2 years ago
If one "good" person detonated the other boat, then that proves they're far worse than the ones riding that boat, in chains.
EveryTimeV2 2 years ago
what if u knew for sure that the other boat would detonate the bomd. Wouldn t u do it before them?
TheSmok3 2 years ago
No, because then I'd have to live with it for the rest of my life. Which the prisoners didn't want either.
EveryTimeV2 2 years ago
So u would prefer to die then to live with it for the rest of your life? This is exactly like a "saw" moment for me. Live or die, make your choice
TheSmok3 2 years ago
id die for anyone.
EveryTimeV2 2 years ago
I actually asked my mom a question similar to this scene. I asked her if she was in this situation and she had a choice would she blow up the other boat or not? she said she wouldn't blow up the boat. maybe I should ask my other family members the same question but knowing their morals and beliefs, they wouldn't do it. but I can't help but wonder if they would still think about it just a little.
WindOfSolitude 2 years ago
This is a "Democratic vs Republican" analogy.
See if you can catch my point...
CoupDeGrace888 2 years ago
Tonight you're all going to be part of a social experiment...
mawhar 2 years ago
YEah, Jokers a Sociologist.
CoupDeGrace888 2 years ago
This is a scene that I consider the best in the last 3 years of my life man! This rocks! When I watched this scene in the cinema, I can't even shake my hand, so intense man!
Fran0neal 2 years ago
Just like the Joker says "You'll see......when the chips are down, these uh....these civilized people....they'll eat each other..."
The 'civilized' people on the so called 'good boat' were just as anxious and trigger-happy. Many on this boat were judging the prisoners as if they are all bad people at the core, but this scene proves that some of these 'bad people' have a profound sense of goodness and spirituality instilled in them.
I get chills when he throws the detonator out of the boat
EventuallyWeMerge 2 years ago
I wish there was a deleted scene where the "citizens" press the button, except that it turns out that they had the remote to their own boat.
dybeen 2 years ago 16
I thought so when i saw the movie for the forst time. you know, joker tells that you could blow up the other boat, but then you make yourself explode instead...
lordrandal90 2 years ago
@dybeen with a mind like the joker that would probably be the case
ssssssssssssssssss50 1 month ago
Yeah, this proves that not everyone that does bad doesnt mean that they have no good in them, unlike the joker
Gir78623 2 years ago
It doesn't prove anything, the people are not real, it's a movie >.>
Senshi2k6 2 years ago
Well I think it kind of does. Some people just can't live with having taken the life of another whether they had to or if it was accidental.
mummra4ever 2 years ago
You guys get to do an essay on this scene? Wow, that is cool.
I would write something like "It goes to show that our stereostypes and labels about the so called 'bad guys' can be misleading, as this scene proves that even self-proclaimed 'civilized people' can be just as dangerous when the chips are down."
EventuallyWeMerge 2 years ago
we're doing this scene as part of a essay at school aaaand i dont understand lol :S
why are they all on the two boats anyway?
someone pleease answer, cause its for my coursework (: x
AlisonLouiseTbh 2 years ago
The Joker announces to the public that anyone left in Gotham at nightfall will be subject to his rule. With the bridges and tunnels out of the city closed due to a warning by the Joker, authorities begin evacuating people by ferry. The Joker has explosives placed on two of the ferries—one ferry with convicts, who were evacuated in an effort to keep the Joker from freeing them, and the other with civilians.
stealthunter14 2 years ago
thanks, you helped loads (: x
AlisonLouiseTbh 2 years ago
Prisoner's on one side, citizens on the other, there moving them off the island so because the joker just treatened to kill them all :)
misterhalo2007 2 years ago
@AlisonLouiseTbh dumb
elgato9o 2 weeks ago
@AlisonLouiseTbh I realize you left this comment two years ago, but I was really curious, how did that essay go? did you understand the scene in the end?
flynntheman90 1 week ago
Human factor in this moment can't stop my tears, cause its so great, especially moment with the big thug, he throw away difference between them..
3iHard 2 years ago
i found out that they had their own detonator so if the citizens pulled it they blow up their own ship same with the cons
LiIAncly 2 years ago
really? how? they had each others detonators, didn't they??
VthatsME 2 years ago
well its the fastest way to kill everyone cause if i were the joker id want them all dead so pull the trigger your own ship blows upr
LiIAncly 2 years ago
That would make some sense, that's the kind of thing the Joker would do here, but blowing up the other boat is the kind of action that he would accept and reward.
jmerridew124 2 years ago
its easy to say "oh i would of blown them up the first chance i got" now, but if you were on a boat, with a swtich controling dozens of lives, you wouldnt think the same.
SniperKitty101 2 years ago
Of course that logic also works both ways. It's easy to act noble and say "oh no, I would never blow up the other boat just to save my own life" but then when the time comes, it's easy for cowardice to kick in and blow them all to pieces.
LittleMissRequiem 2 years ago 4
"every time you eat a coat
throw away your winter toad"
flaminia5 2 years ago
my grandma's in this!! :D
rolloverpudding 2 years ago
wich is ur grandma
jitsa 2 years ago
relly? :) cool :D
link123253 2 years ago
sick that is awesome!
AKmacintosh 2 years ago
lol i know!!
she's the blonde one, uhm. can see her at 0:31 and like, 2:00 lol. ah epic. she doesn't even TELL US when she does this, i almost screamed and pointed at the screen in the cinema. i held it back as a little yelp instead so people looked at me funny :P
rolloverpudding 2 years ago
lol how did she get to be in it? Is she an actor or did they just ask for volunteers?
AKmacintosh 2 years ago
That's fucking awesome!
jmerridew124 2 years ago
When Morgan Friedman first saw the cellphone/tv machine and said "that's too much power for one man to have," it was a dig at Google in general and Google street view, in particular.
ponderer2009 2 years ago
look at 2:23, i have a video on that shot
nativeagent747 2 years ago
who is the big tank guy that throws away the remote? iv seen him in a few movies. was he in the green mile too?
dedl1veson 2 years ago
A few huh? Zeus, or big tank guy lol, has been in over 150 movies and tv shows.
sn1zzo 2 years ago
That's not the guy from the green mile. But he's been in tons of movies in minor roles. Usually black movies.
Senshi2k6 2 years ago
Tiny Lister.
mscubana 2 years ago
awesome quality!
RDLgo 2 years ago
he was expecting that he can turn every good people in bad ones, like he did whit Harvey, the detonator from the prisoners ferry was trowed overboard and the the guy from the citizens ferry was almost going to do it... great twists
P9HL2BETA 2 years ago 2
I think that eitherway The Joker would have made each remote blow up the boat that they belonged to, to show that somebody's greed and selfish, heartless attitude would lead to their demise.
The people on each boat should have easily realized this, but the moment corrupted their judgment and would have pushed them to activating the remote. However, the man on the citizen boat didn't have the heart to do it, and the man on the prisoner boat was selfless and threw it out the window, showing good.
tublife 2 years ago 3
i know......also that girl that said.."They had their chances" didnt think about the cops/guards that were on the boat also.
LiIAncly 2 years ago 3
deebo
36fido 2 years ago 2
Game theory
airva21901 3 years ago
The Joker was absolutely right. Given the circumstances, ANYONE can be as ugly as him (except for a select few, of course).
Visonu 3 years ago 6
I don't know though. I don't think I could go through killing others just to ensure my own survival. Those "selected few" are more than you think.
mummra4ever 2 years ago
That's because you've never actually had to do it. But let's face it; it's easy to be all noble and say "Oh no, I would never kill a human being just to save myself," but then when you're actually put to the test, cowardice kicks in and you push the button. Personally I can't say for certain that I wouldn't do it, and people have gone bad for more trivial reasons than survival.
LittleMissRequiem 2 years ago
I didn't say for certain that I wouldn't do it I just don't think I would based on what I know about myself. Like I said before it all depends on the kind of person you are. I have heard that some people regard honour to be more important than life itself so who knows? The point is humans in any situation are capable of doing both evil and good things we are neither completely one or the another. Also some people like to say we're no better than animals but even animals are capable of kindness.
mummra4ever 2 years ago
It is actually a very interesting experiment, how much do we trust each other and why do we trust each other?
I am just afraid in the real world (if we can use such a fraze in a situation like this) both boats would have pushed the remote.
Baal1985 3 years ago 3
i think 911 was a good example that humanity is still intact in people... everyone helped out each other in that situation..
iToyRobot 2 years ago 3
Don't be so sure. People can sometimes surprise you with what they do. It all depend really on what kind of a person you are. I think this scene ironically calls back to what the joker said earlier about when people are facing death they show you who you really are. Well that's what happens here but not like he expected.
mummra4ever 2 years ago 23
This has been flagged as spam show
yeah its up ur mums ass
patocp 3 years ago
dude its DEEBO!
thugnif1cent 3 years ago 4
ah shit Deebo commin'
who?
DEE-BO!
AH SHIT!
badgerman6666 3 years ago 7
One of my most favorite scenes!
Aquarius199 3 years ago 4
2:32 is that ledger?
jt32kbg 3 years ago 3
Yes, it's Heath Ledger.
Aquarius199 3 years ago 3
no,its batman,but are you sure of the time
Xonic10 3 years ago
u didnt put the best part
rustismyfavcolor 3 years ago 3
whos the scary dude that throws the detonator out the window?
oh i love him<3
hes so beast ahhaha.
whats his name?
cfleisch13 3 years ago
DEEBO!
badgerman6666 3 years ago 2
what about the part when the black prisoner takes the remote and throws it out the window. thats an awesome part.
KOFILMSANDMEDIA 3 years ago 20
who plays the dude who starts the vote on the civilian ship
nightekX 3 years ago
the second half was my favorite part in the entire movie. what a beautiful scene.
xXull 3 years ago 2
Same here
bond626007 3 years ago
appl e juice
willlucas1996 3 years ago
That was the Staten Island Ferry in New York City
4610309 3 years ago
it looked like navy pier in Chicago
lostaznking 3 years ago
wheres he second half??
banannnaa 3 years ago
i think it was kinda funny how it was day then night almost instantly
junkers1337 3 years ago
When I first saw this, I thought the remote was a trick, and it would actually blow your own boat up.
ACviewer 3 years ago 7
I love this scene thanks for posting it =)
SilentHolmes 3 years ago 4