@tyciol he lifted it with hip flexion with a little help from TA,nobody on earth could dorsiflex that much because the muscle is so small,its not designed for great force and doesnt need it.
@scarred10 After re-watching the video I'm inclined to agree with you. I watched his knees and they were moving. It should be possible to do this without moving them though right?
Even if the knees move and the hip flexors contribute a bit, I think it'd still hit it fine
I'm not sure how to explain it, but I believe that just using the pedal of the drum won't lead to as much adaptation. Unlike an exercise like running, which over time can lead to adaptations that favours a better coordination of the muscles involved, the tibialis anterior is a lot more lonely. Therefore, just doing the movement will bring more endurance but won't do much to improve the maximal speed, unlike resistance training.
In my opinion it could increase bass pedal drumming, BUT one would have to practice that specific function nonetheless.
By exercising specifically the tibialis anterior, many adaptations take place: enhanced capillarisation, probably enhanced innervation as the nerves are somehow guided by the capillaries (not sure if that has been proven), and probably some metabolic adaptations.
The whole time I was watching this I was just waiting for the guy in the background to lift the bar, From his demeanor it seems like it will be a lot of weight. I was disappoint.
@lyfzuxz Those muscles are perfect to have strong for double bass drumming... I was looking all over for good exercises for these muscles and I finally found one! WOOT! ^_^
@Tubbed69 Actually, no - when doing this exercise with a heavy weight, you'll train your muscles in maximum strength - which is not the same as speedy muscles.
I am a fysiotherapy student AND a drummer so I know what I'm talking about.
The best way to improve bass-speed is to practise while drumming. It's pointless to replace that exercise with a different one.
@Coerced Well.. Thats not correct... When you use your biggest motor units (the one that gives the most power), you also need to use the smaller motor units (they are connected, so that you cant use the big ones, without in the same time using the smaller ones)...
@yotta2r So you would train those motor units as well and the muscles will become stronger/ the functionality will swift to delivering maximum strength. But for bass speed as a drummer the limiting factor is coordination. So I' d still think this won't improve bass speed. To improve that you need neuro-muscular training or training in coordination (and technique) by replicating the exact movement you will perform during drumming.
@yotta2r Read through your comment again and you really only explain that a movement made by the body is never the result of a single muscle that does its job but there are synergists as well that help... But that doesn't seem to really be on topic here so, if you're a professional I'd like a full explanation of your vision :).
Always open to new visions. I'm still learning myself.
@Coerced professional and professional... I know my shit..
Well.. You are saying that your "maximum strength muscles" aren't the same as your "speedy muscles"... And as the motor units do not operate alone, you are wrong...
@yotta2r I'm not saying that, I'm saying that you specialise your muscles differently and you do not train coordination and technique with this excercise. So it's not a good excercise for drumming.
Exactly what kind of professional are you? Just curious.
Well..: Hah...Not to get picky, but you said it wasn't the same muscles... Anyway, its correct that it will give him minimal bass pedal speed gains :)
@yotta2r Heh... that's kindof what I expected ;). There's so much more to a good training that 99.9% of all people realise. This training is more likely to slow his bass technique than to improve it because of the changes of fysiology within the muscles and... well there's so much more to it than just that. I've been in Indonesia the past 4 weeks though and I still am so if you want, I can explain to you all the details and stuff back home but right now - this slow internet drives me crazy ;).
Maybe even the abdomen, is active in this. Just to make a suggestion, your body isn't really designed for that kind of weight all at once in that area - so it would subsequently offset itself by distributing the weight to other areas.
@GnariusFestivus What I do is, put your back up against the wall - I put a small pillow behind the lower of my back - make sure the wall is taking the weight of your back, step your feet out about a foot and a half maybe 2, just enough so that your legs are straight and finally put a decent sized book under your feet; last part optional. Then lift your toes as high as you can off the ground, and lower them back down - after the initial execution don't let your toes touch the ground again.
@TheKlaj1992 I was just about to say that, anyways, not to rain on this, because most people completely have no idea how important this muscle really is, but I can see that your hip muscles are indeed taking some of the brunt of this because of the way you're sort of 'rocking' up. The point of mass is kind of distributed to that area when you do that.
thanks for this, i just tried it and my shins burn like hell!
huanrohigh 4 months ago
@youngaharvey i think it's called shin curl.
huanrohigh 4 months ago
What is the name of this exercise?
youngaharvey 10 months ago
Cool where do I get dumbbells that heavy though? =(
tyciol 1 year ago
@tyciol i was gonna ask this
Obsidian1392 10 months ago
@tyciol It's just a regular dumbbell with 10 pound plates.
peanutbutterblah 7 months ago
@peanutbutterblah If they're 10 each, that'd mean it's 120lbs. That's some strong TAs.
tyciol 3 months ago
@tyciol he lifted it with hip flexion with a little help from TA,nobody on earth could dorsiflex that much because the muscle is so small,its not designed for great force and doesnt need it.
scarred10 2 weeks ago
@scarred10 After re-watching the video I'm inclined to agree with you. I watched his knees and they were moving. It should be possible to do this without moving them though right?
Even if the knees move and the hip flexors contribute a bit, I think it'd still hit it fine
tyciol 2 weeks ago
@tyciol you could but the weight would be about a quarter of this,the tib anterior is a very small muscle and doesnt need to be strong.
scarred10 2 weeks ago
Nice!
DANIAC262 1 year ago
I'm not sure how to explain it, but I believe that just using the pedal of the drum won't lead to as much adaptation. Unlike an exercise like running, which over time can lead to adaptations that favours a better coordination of the muscles involved, the tibialis anterior is a lot more lonely. Therefore, just doing the movement will bring more endurance but won't do much to improve the maximal speed, unlike resistance training.
MaxThonder 1 year ago
In my opinion it could increase bass pedal drumming, BUT one would have to practice that specific function nonetheless.
By exercising specifically the tibialis anterior, many adaptations take place: enhanced capillarisation, probably enhanced innervation as the nerves are somehow guided by the capillaries (not sure if that has been proven), and probably some metabolic adaptations.
MaxThonder 1 year ago
If you wear steel capped construction boots these don't hurt as much
MawBTS 1 year ago
The whole time I was watching this I was just waiting for the guy in the background to lift the bar, From his demeanor it seems like it will be a lot of weight. I was disappoint.
McSteez22 1 year ago 8
@McSteez22 ha ha ha that was so funny,i thought he had some serious weight there,he was preparing him self for 1 hour
TheSUBGAMER 6 months ago 2
what is that muscle good for
lyfzuxz 1 year ago
@lyfzuxz Those muscles are perfect to have strong for double bass drumming... I was looking all over for good exercises for these muscles and I finally found one! WOOT! ^_^
Jonspnes 1 year ago
@Jonspnes I have that muscle pretty big, mostly due to genes. Maybe I should get into drumming then, ty!
lyfzuxz 1 year ago
how hard was it to walk after that
slacker361 1 year ago
great way to improve bass pedal speed for drummers
Tubbed69 1 year ago
@Tubbed69 Actually, no - when doing this exercise with a heavy weight, you'll train your muscles in maximum strength - which is not the same as speedy muscles.
I am a fysiotherapy student AND a drummer so I know what I'm talking about.
The best way to improve bass-speed is to practise while drumming. It's pointless to replace that exercise with a different one.
Coerced 1 year ago
@Coerced Well.. Thats not correct... When you use your biggest motor units (the one that gives the most power), you also need to use the smaller motor units (they are connected, so that you cant use the big ones, without in the same time using the smaller ones)...
yotta2r 1 year ago
@yotta2r So you would train those motor units as well and the muscles will become stronger/ the functionality will swift to delivering maximum strength. But for bass speed as a drummer the limiting factor is coordination. So I' d still think this won't improve bass speed. To improve that you need neuro-muscular training or training in coordination (and technique) by replicating the exact movement you will perform during drumming.
Don't see how I'd be wrong here?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Coerced 1 year ago
@yotta2r Read through your comment again and you really only explain that a movement made by the body is never the result of a single muscle that does its job but there are synergists as well that help... But that doesn't seem to really be on topic here so, if you're a professional I'd like a full explanation of your vision :).
Always open to new visions. I'm still learning myself.
Coerced 1 year ago
@Coerced professional and professional... I know my shit..
Well.. You are saying that your "maximum strength muscles" aren't the same as your "speedy muscles"... And as the motor units do not operate alone, you are wrong...
yotta2r 1 year ago
@yotta2r I'm not saying that, I'm saying that you specialise your muscles differently and you do not train coordination and technique with this excercise. So it's not a good excercise for drumming.
Exactly what kind of professional are you? Just curious.
Coerced 1 year ago
@Coerced Hah.. The 17 year old kind ;)
Well..: Hah...Not to get picky, but you said it wasn't the same muscles... Anyway, its correct that it will give him minimal bass pedal speed gains :)
yotta2r 1 year ago
@yotta2r Heh... that's kindof what I expected ;). There's so much more to a good training that 99.9% of all people realise. This training is more likely to slow his bass technique than to improve it because of the changes of fysiology within the muscles and... well there's so much more to it than just that. I've been in Indonesia the past 4 weeks though and I still am so if you want, I can explain to you all the details and stuff back home but right now - this slow internet drives me crazy ;).
Coerced 1 year ago
@Coerced I would love it if you could do this!!
yotta2r 1 year ago
Maybe even the abdomen, is active in this. Just to make a suggestion, your body isn't really designed for that kind of weight all at once in that area - so it would subsequently offset itself by distributing the weight to other areas.
GnariusFestivus 1 year ago
@GnariusFestivus What I do is, put your back up against the wall - I put a small pillow behind the lower of my back - make sure the wall is taking the weight of your back, step your feet out about a foot and a half maybe 2, just enough so that your legs are straight and finally put a decent sized book under your feet; last part optional. Then lift your toes as high as you can off the ground, and lower them back down - after the initial execution don't let your toes touch the ground again.
GnariusFestivus 1 year ago
ohh hell yeah buuudy :) i could feel the burn from this seat, good one thanks.
Ghjoest 2 years ago
Is there an actual name for this exercise?
binaryfinary2005 2 years ago
is there any easier way to exercise that muscle
TheKlaj1992 2 years ago
@TheKlaj1992 use smaller weights like 10 lbs., you could walk on your heels, and do shin and calf stretches.
nightmoon11 2 years ago
@TheKlaj1992 I was just about to say that, anyways, not to rain on this, because most people completely have no idea how important this muscle really is, but I can see that your hip muscles are indeed taking some of the brunt of this because of the way you're sort of 'rocking' up. The point of mass is kind of distributed to that area when you do that.
GnariusFestivus 1 year ago
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Traps59 2 years ago