no one thinks about exploiting natural resources from other planets and the asteroid field between mars and zeus? if the technologies were created, we could have huge profits from such endeavours and not to mention that creating extraterrestrial colonies can save the human species in case of a disaster. It's also being discussed of reducing polution in earth by sending chemical and nuclear waste in uninhabitable planets (e.g. gas giants)
Seeing answer and laziness like this leaves a little chant in my head , that goes a little like this ....I hate humanity I hate humanity I hate humanity.
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Apollo wasn't "needed" either. Would you have canceled that as well? Furthermore, the reasons America is going bankrupt have virtually NOTHING to do with the pittance ... 17-19 billion NASA budget. NASA accounts for less than 1% of the Federal budget, so to say the Space Program is at fault for the budget deficit is obviously ludicrous.
The really big money-guzzler in the Federal budget is the military, not NASA.
We didn't see any marginal benefit of going to the moon either. One obvious effect was the sudden surge in interest in the fields of science in engineering.
We could terraform it using the special selection on plants to survive the climate and planting them there, would take an estimated 100 to 1000 years but it would surely be worth it for later generations...
@RoronoaZoro222 I don't think we should terraform anything..... how would you like it if Earth was Marsformed? Mars, as lifeless as it is, is a part of nature... we shouldn't make the universe into OUR image.... we should leave it as nature intended, we're not that great hot-shots
You know what else is a part of nature? Trees. Does this mean we should never cut any of them down and turn them into math/science textbooks? Obviously it is in our interest to have things like medical textbooks. Likewise, it is in the interest of humanity to terraform Mars and become a multi-planet species.
Just because something is "natural" does not mean it is objectively the best idea. Just because Mars is "naturally" the way it is doesn't mean human beings shouldn't change it.
@jmxgen like I said in my previous comment, why shape the world into our image? I see no point to that; you might argue we would make our lives better, but what is the point of doing that to the extreme? I am not saying we shouldn't improve our lives, that we shouldn't evolve... quite the contrary I admire the improvements in technology and society over the ages and I hope they will improve further...
"you might argue we would make our lives better, but what is the point of doing that to the extreme?"
The point of making our lives better to an extreme.... is to make our lives much better. That should be obvious. Making our lives better is pleasurable, and that's why we should do it as much as possible.
@jmxgen but should we go so far as to do things like: extinguish species, pollute the whole planet, turn the land into our bed and food basket (analogy for: cities and the farm-land that feeds them) on a global level, turning Earth into Coruscant, terraforming Mars and who knows what other planets..... should we shape the whole damn universe into our image? who the hell are we?
"but should we go so far as to do things like: extinguish species, pollute the whole planet, turn the land into our bed and food basket (analogy for: cities and the farm-land that feeds them) on a global level"
We already do all of those things. Would you rather give up modern technology and civilization in order to stop?
"terraforming Mars and who knows what other planets..... should we shape the whole damn universe into our image?"
@jmxgen we are a species that appeared practically a few moments ago, and now we claim to be the lords of the universe? humanity has some great qualities but.... it's not just not fair, it's not right, nature SHOULD as much as possible be left as it is, a beautiful mechanism where every piece fits together to make run like clockwork...
"and now we claim to be the lords of the universe? humanity has some great qualities but.... it's not just not fair, it's not right, nature SHOULD as much as possible be left as it is"
What's so objectively better about having Mars remain a barren lifeless world as opposed to being terraformed into a world providing a habitat for life?
@jmxgen because that's what the natural form of Mars is;
hey, let's build cities on Mars, like dome-cities or something similar; look, I did say in one of the comments that expanding our civilization is not a bad thing.... but let's not exaggerate; cities rather than terraformation
"because that's what the natural form of Mars is;"
Doesn't matter. Spreading organic life to other planets is a far more compelling interest than preserving a giant red lump of dust in its 'natural' state - as a giant red lump of dust.
"humanity has some great qualities but.... it's not just not fair, it's not right, nature SHOULD as much as possible be left as it is"
Why? Why is something 'natural' objectively better than something 'unnatural'? Value is something created and experienced in the mind of a living being. If human beings value something 'natural' less than something 'unnatural,' and it pleases them to change something natural into something unnatural, there is no reason for them not to do it.
@jmxgen yes, we should evolve, nature, the clockwork I just mentioned, it it's "ticking" created us, and we are capable of being aware of understanding nature, our creator, of understanding ourselves, of creating technology and philosophy... but that evolution has to be like I said above sensible, protect species, the environment, use our technology to make our lives better AND SIMULTANEOUSLY coexist with nature, explore space, BUT NOT TERRAFORM WHOLE PLANETS!!!
@jmxgen on a less philosophical, more particular note: Mars has beauties of it's own as it is, those would be destroyed if we terraformed the planet; just like a forrest or even a dessert have own beauty... you shouldn't chop down a forrest and neither should you turn a dessert into farmland (assuming we had the technology to do it... that was more of a sci-fi scenario)
again sorry for so many massages but I wanted to get my ideas across properly
@jmxgen yes I sure do; this is a technological question; we can use other materials instead of paper or recycle paper already used; examples: plastic or paper grown by genetically-created bacteria in the laboratory; but the best solution is this: digitize everything; then there's no need for books at all;
"we can use other materials instead of paper or recycle paper already used; examples: plastic or paper grown by genetically-created bacteria in the laboratory; but the best solution is this: digitize everything; then there's no need for books at all"
There's no 'need' for lots of things. There's no 'need' for ice cream, apple pie, restaurants, automobiles, or big-screen TVs. So? The question isn't whether things are 'needed,' the question is whether people want them.
"but the best solution is this: digitize everything; then there's no need for books at all;"
I hope you're aware that electronics-related pollution is considered by large swaths of environmentalists to be a quite a compelling problem. After taking that into consideration, your solution creates nearly as many environmental problems as it solves.
The bottom line is: if you want modern comforts and high standards of living, you need to alter the natural world to do it.
"and neither should you turn a dessert into farmland (assuming we had the technology to do it... that was more of a sci-fi scenario)"
Well actually, to an extent, we do that right now too. It's called irrigation, and we have a much larger food supply because of it. Would you rather we didn't irrigate our crops, so we had much less land, and even more people starve to death than currently do?
Irrigation is awesome. I totally support terraforming.
@jmxgen if I could shape the world into my own view, I would genetically engineer organisms that could produce many needed substances without the need of exploiting nature... or at least not as much as we do today; imagine a whole city having it's food supplied by own huge facility as opposed to several thousand acres of forests and preerie...or desert turned into farm-land;
"if I could shape the world into my own view, I would genetically engineer organisms that could produce many needed substances without the need of exploiting nature... "
"if I could shape the world into my own view, I would genetically engineer organisms that could produce many needed substances without the need of exploiting nature..."
There's nothing wrong with 'exploiting' nature when doing so makes people's lives better. That's what we've been doing since the dawn of civilization, and it's responsible for our modern comforts and high standard of living.
@jmxgen well, actually I am studying to be a genetic engineer... so I could contribute to realizing that view of the world that I just described...so yeah pigs just might fly
"and it's responsible for our modern comforts and high standard of living."
those things can be achieved in a more nature-friendly way; much more; that's the things with technology, it's our invention we can make it anyway we want, including good with us and nature at the same time
"those things [modern comforts, high standards of living] can be achieved in a more nature-friendly way;"
They probably COULD be, but at a certain cost. Producing things that are eco-friendly is typically more costly than producing things the conventional way. This means the scarce scientific and financial resources of a people would be misdirected toward activities that don't increase living standards, in place of producing more things people want (which increases living standards).
"those things can be achieved in a more nature-friendly way;"
Like many other people, I don't care about what's best for nature. First and foremost, I'm interested in improving living standards for sentient beings, such as humans. Preserving things in their 'natural' state is only a worthy or laudable goal to the extent that it benefits sentient beings.
As soon as it is cheaper, easier, or in our interest to change the natural into the unnatural (for our benefit) it should be done.
@jmxgen I was just about to reply since this was originally started by my comment, but I see you thoroughly wiped the floor with him in this little comment debate already, good job :)
2nd guy is exactly right, people like the 1st guy and his stupidity for blowing more money on usless funding has destroyed the ecomony such as this usless war for one mans greed.
this conflict on no way shape or form should have taken nearly as long as it has.
The space program isn't even comparable to the war in Iraq. The space program has provided valuable insights into the cosmos, given us new technologies, and has furthered science as a whole. It is expensive yes, but there are much less valuable things that should be cut before the space program is even touched.
The second guy's answer Is Directly on point...Good fuckin answer...as deep in dept as we are..we need to worry about where we are "Earth"....Not spendin millions on a trip to Mars..."To the second guy" u may have lost the vote of the guy who asked that question...but i believe you got many more for that answer.
Mars trip would be a waste of money. Instead there should be a program of mapping meteors and such objects, and also a program to figure out how to change their trajectories if needed.
The television is an aggregation of several different inventions put together. Most of them came from either the U.S. or the U.K. but neither country invented the TV all by itself.
DUMB asses! Why worry going to a desert such as mars and spend millions of dollars or billions to make mars a greener planet such as earth, when we have planet earth that is already green? All we need to do is focus first on our planet and make it a better place to live in! Worry Mars later!!!
"Let's worry about Earth, then worry about Space!"
This is the sort of short sighted, small minded thinking that gets a species extinct. Space exploration and infrastructure may very well be the only thing capable of saving this planet as well as it's population.
Because you can't connect 'up there' to 'down here' in your heads is a limitation of your own imaginations. Study history and you'll see it's filled with idiots like you lot at every major discovery.
you are syupid crazy and dumb as a beggar on the street! You cant even solve the problem of global warming or solve the cutting of trees or iligal tree cutting then you gonna go to mars that in facts its impossible or in the process of solving how to put life there?! Solve our problem in this planet first stop cutting trees you dumb ass!
Learn how to spell before you flame someone. We not as a country but as a planet need to push space exploration to the limit. Global warming is happening and will continue to happen, there is no way to stop it. Eventually this planet will not be able to sustain life due to overpopulation and vanishing resources. Space colonization is the only thing that is going to save our species from extinction, it's going to happen and we should focus on it now instead of when its to late.
There will always be poverty, war, disease, and all that other bad stuff, no matter WHAT. Human space exploration should not be stopped or put off until that stuff is solved because that stuff will NEVER be completely solved.
lets send all the democrats to mars and let them make a Utopian socialist society........but for now we might have to keep them here until we can fix our deficit which we need to fix now. thanks tancredo but he has already dropped out.
your country is going bankrupt that may be hard to crasp im sure it was hard for the russians to crasp 20 yrs ago but its coming thats for sure. RON PAUL is the only one addrressing this but who cares right. wake up america!!!! youtube "ron paul" now to be awaken and finally learn for yourselves.
I know that being in space has made its benefits, which include medicene, but... We're spending a LOT of money to explore something that makes no difference in the lives of average people. Wouldn't it be wiser to spend more money on education and other such things than finding out if we're alone in the galaxy?
There's just no pay we can feasibly send massive payloads for megastructures via conventional fuel rockets. Nuclear rockets are out of the question since it would contaminate the entire space station and surrounding area.
Instead we should concentrate on space elevator technology, based on materials science, as well as industrial engineering to manufacture nano-shaped materials on a massive scale.
Space Exploration in my opinion is the most important thing this country is spending money on. We need to colonize space and I don't mean that moon or mars but space its self with torus, cylindrical, and bernal colonies. We can do it we just procrastinate over and over again.
The 669 commutations and pardons Mike Huckabee handed out from 1996-2004 were more than Clinton and the state's two previous governors granted in an 18-year period.
WTF? Where do they find these dumbass questions? Who is this idiot? We have more important things than SPACE EXPLORATION, moron! I wanna slap him upside the head for wasting the candidates' time. I wanna slap the CNN video-chooser, too. This Youtube debate seems like a huge joke based on all these waste-of-time questions. NASA should be privatized, if you ask me! Save about 15 billion a year. We don't need to explore space anymore. The space race has long been over.
I am the Moron who asked the question. Space exploration goes beyond just the US/Soviet space race. Space explorationwill serve the purpose of helping us better understand the universe in which we exist, and further help us determine if life is unique to earth. Science and Exploration of this kind are progressive ideas that go beyond the basic "just to survive" programs, and war.
Furthermore, I do encourage the privatization of space exploration, but Congress has passed a series of regulations on private space exploration making it very difficult for start-ups to compete.
As well, your view of things seems very short-sigthed, in that anything outside of basic survival seems like a waste...
So why don't you try to expand your vocabulary, instead of insulting a complete stranger, try adding something constructive, and try expanding your horizons.
what d'you say of this:I'm kind of tired of US having the monopole on so many things on this Earth...so I am even more outraged of the notion of US monopole over space!!! I mean u said "putting an American on the surface of Mars" WHY AMERICAN!?!?!
OK I realise it's your space program... but maybe that's the problem... COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD UNITE IN THE FIELD OF SPACE EXPLORATION+US:SHARE YOUR SPACE PROGRAM WITH THE OTHER COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD Maybe the 1st man on MARS should be a Romanian!!!
" I mean u said "putting an American on the surface of Mars" WHY AMERICAN!?!?!
OK I realise it's your space program... but maybe that's the problem... COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD UNITE IN THE FIELD OF SPACE EXPLORATION+US:SHARE YOUR SPACE PROGRAM WITH THE OTHER COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD Maybe the 1st man on MARS should be a Romanian!!!"
lol. If all of you other countries want to use America's space program, why don't you get your own like America did?
@jmxgen well, where I put a '+' I really meant and/or but I was running out of sapce;
indeed, other countries should have their own space program.... each can have one or all small countries which can't hav eone by themselves could unite to make one for all or the us could share it's space program or all of the above
@jmxgen but my point was something else; despite the fact that I realize the practical complications of having a space program and hence why only some rich countries can have them, despite that practical fact, on a moral level, it doesn't seem fair to me that one country should have monopole or close to monopole over space... space is the ultimate frontier for all humanity
"it doesn't seem fair to me that one country should have monopole or close to monopole over space... space is the ultimate frontier for all humanity"
Nobody has a monopoly on space.. more and more countries are creating their own space programs like Iran and China. If your country doesn't have one and you want one, call your politicians and tell them to get their act together. It's not America's fault you don't have a space program like ours.
@jmxgen we're surrounded by space, space is practically all the universe-the volume of the earth, it's a form of nature, it's future of technology, of humanity, on a physical and spiritual level.... something like that shouldn't just be treated as piece of land is, it shouldn't belong just to companies or governments... every nation should have access to it; that's my point
sorry for sending you 3 messages, I wasn't trying to spam, just trying to get my point across a little better
"space is practically all the universe-the volume of the earth, it's a form of nature, it's future of technology, of humanity, on a physical and spiritual level.... something like that shouldn't just be treated as piece of land is, it shouldn't belong just to companies or governments... every nation should have access to it; that's my point"
And they CAN - if they get their act together and start working on a space program. If they don't, that's their problem.
Human exploration of Mars can yield so much benefit to humanity, not just the United States... We can answer questions like how to be better keepers of our earth, if life is unique to earth, etc. The cost is minimal compared to the benefits... and if we go with the help of NASA or not, humanity should stop waging wars and start realizing our full potential.
Even though I believe in space colonization I don't think we should colonize celstial bodies but use Torus Colonies that way we can make as many as we wish without the tedious task of terriformation.
Too bad RP didn't get this question. He'd have laid the smack down.
The government doesn't have the right to steal my money at gunpoint and build spaceships with it, sorry. I know it's morally uplifting and amazing and it may have some side benefits. Doesn't matter - they don't have the RIGHT.
Do you listen to what he says? I mean what are you looking for in a president? I dont understand you people. This man is trying to save the country you live in! We are in trouble here and no one seems to want to listen to a man who is shooting straight form the hip with factual information to back it up! Wake up!
I've listened to Ron Paul. He's a madman. He's not trying to save us, he's hurting us by being so lax and soft on national security. What exactly are you ron paul supporters anyway ? Ex-liberals ? Because anyone who thinks like ron paul does about national security has to have a liberal mindset.
Lax on national security! He's the one that wants to protect our borders and bring our troops home to protect our counrty not work street patrol in fucking Iraq! So no obviously you dont listen. 9 TRILLION dollars in debt, 3 BILLION a day in borrowing, 1 TRILLION a year on a war we shouldnt even be in! How is that protecting our national security? Maybe you should listen harder there guy.
For more information on the current push for Mars Exploration, visit our user profile and subsequently our website.
There is a lot going on, and with space enthusiasts rallying behind the movement, we can ensure that the space program does not stagnate in low earth orbit.
The question regarding Mars Exploration is a serious question, and should be asked of all the Presidential candidates. We currently poses the technology to achieve such a mission, and further private research is being conducted on every aspect involved with making such a journey. We welcome bold leaders with vision!
We can go to space but not now, not when we're over 2 trillion dollars in debt, literacy rate is 97% and half the world is starving to death.18,000 children die of hunger every day and you wanna go to mars?
Wow, didn't notice until now that Huckabee is a really scripted person. At first I thought he was speaking from the heart, but now it sounds as if he's speaking off a halmark card everytime.
There will always be homeless people in America. The fact that they exist does not mean that we should cease scientific exploration.
And a literacy rate of 97% seems pretty good! What is it in other countries? I bet not that high?
But you are advocating holding back society so everyone can play catch-up? Get real. We need to make progress, and continue growing our society in parallel!
Space exploration has given us a lot of technology and made all of our lives easier.But putting a man on any planet is a fuckin waste of time,money and effort.That same money,time,effort could go to treating AIDS,ending world hunger,education,and eliminating poverty in America,and abroad.
Are you stating that America has to be single track minded? Why not do all of these things AND explore space? It is not a matter of funding. Nasa only gets 0.6% of the national budget as it is, and that is for ALL NASA science. Human Space flight is a mere fraction of that budget.
Pork-barrel spending on Wars? 51% of our Federal Income Taxes goes to pork-barrel spending on False-Flag Wars. We have a 51% percent Federal False-Flag War Tax.
Iraq War False-Flag War
Vietnam False-flag War
Spanish American War False-Flag War
Iran the next False-Flag War
51% of your Federal Income Taxes pay for these wars. Who really benefits from False-Flag Wars?
while pure NASA science grabs just 0.6% of the federal budget. Tancredo: "We cannot afford this", but he wants to stay indefinately in Iraq? NASA has cost $612 Billion over 50 years. Iraq has cost $450 Billion over 4 years.
Put progress and science over war... the benefits are clear!
that hillary thing was a little childish. if we could ever find him i would personally vote for osama bin laden to mars. but man on mars is a waste of money. what was the benefit of man on the moon?
Microwave ovens, Tang, Environmental Controls (A/C), computer technology, propulsion technologies, battery technologies), Radar technologies, Radiation technologies, food technologies, composite technologies, etc etc... so, yeah... there was a lot of benefit. And much more to come from a prolonged visit to another planet!
Sending a man to Mars is not expensive. We can spend our money a million ways... space explopration is the most innovative and inspirational. NASA's cost over 50 years has been $612 billion, where the Iraq war has cost $450 billion in 4 years. Which has provided more benefit?
Oh, agreed... it would be crazy to suggest that ALL 450 billion be pumped into the space program! Mars by 2020 would require about 1 Billion increase a year, or a total after adjusting the current Orion program to equal about 20 Billion over 13 years... That is small potatoes! And the other 449 Billion can go back to the taxpayer, the debt, or to me :)
Is this a joke? I'm not a Hillary supporter (and it has nothing to do with her being a "bitch" and all the other nonsense comments people make, I actually take issue with her positions on the ISSUES, remember those?) but that comment was absolutely unnecessary. He did it simply to throw red meat to the jackals in the crowd and they ate it up.
fair enough...but jesse jackson is just a figure head, nobody really takes him seriously..i dont think its a fair comparison. Anyway everyone gangs up on Hillary cause its easy to be a sexist as a republican...they still believe women are evil.
How can you say no one takes Jackson serious? Have you seen his following? I don't like Hillary, but it has nothing to do with her being a woman--I really wish that Libby Dole had stayed in the race, I really wish that Condy would have ran too. Republicans don't like Hillary because she swings with the polls like her husband did, and many around here view her as the Neo-Carpetbagger.
Fuck man if this kid wants to go to Mars, he can put forth the money himself....He's probably a smart kid but he still believes money grows on trees or his parents wallet.
For starters, I am not a kid. I posed the question as an Engineer on the current HSF NASA programs as a response to Congress cutting Human to Mars funding of our current program. I clearly understand the value of a dollar, and I also understand that there are things worth spending money on, and Human Space Exploration is the most inspirational of them all. BTW, I am not a kid. Thanks though!
I firmly believe that the best way to explore space is via private enterprise... however, Congress has placed so many restrictions on private space flight that it is impossible for small ventures to start up. So we are faced with the beast that is NASA. Taking 23 years to go to mars when we have the technology at hand is nothing more than prolonging the process to ensure longevity of jobs. What it really does is kills ingenuity in the field of aerospace.
Logic is grounded on what is most beneficial for the country. Risk/Reward.
Yes, research benefits society through technological,scientific,and medical advancements. I'm not against that.
I'm against the govenrment stealing money from the American people that stifles all innovation through taxes, which is the power to destroy. Regulation should STRICTLY adhere to the US Constitution and prosperity would reign.
"As of June 13, 2006, over $320 billion has been allocated by the US Congress for the current war in Iraq, in comparison it only cost $2 billion to create the Hubble Space Telescope, and NASA's yearly budget averages only about $16 billion a year, in other words the money that has been spent on the Iraq war could have funded NASA for approximately 21 years"
no one thinks about exploiting natural resources from other planets and the asteroid field between mars and zeus? if the technologies were created, we could have huge profits from such endeavours and not to mention that creating extraterrestrial colonies can save the human species in case of a disaster. It's also being discussed of reducing polution in earth by sending chemical and nuclear waste in uninhabitable planets (e.g. gas giants)
OrnluWolfjarl 1 week ago
i do plan on sending an american to mars by 2020
bevy300Gamer 1 year ago
hmmm they both had good answers...
bbphnix 1 year ago
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bbphnix 1 year ago
9/11 was an inside job ... Proof ... youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us
parish32 1 year ago
Seeing answer and laziness like this leaves a little chant in my head , that goes a little like this ....I hate humanity I hate humanity I hate humanity.
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aquaman77310 2 years ago
America we are going bankrupt and Mars isn't needed right now.
cpblackangel88 2 years ago
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Apollo wasn't "needed" either. Would you have canceled that as well? Furthermore, the reasons America is going bankrupt have virtually NOTHING to do with the pittance ... 17-19 billion NASA budget. NASA accounts for less than 1% of the Federal budget, so to say the Space Program is at fault for the budget deficit is obviously ludicrous.
The really big money-guzzler in the Federal budget is the military, not NASA.
jmxgen 1 year ago
Huckabee's Pathos is incredible
Tryggis666 2 years ago
$1M on the means of getting to mars $30M on the over paid wages lol
djnemesisuk 2 years ago
Leave hilary alown!! And I agree with the "we can't afford going to mars" when we can't even handle the earth
gattonero583 2 years ago
That guy at the end made sense. I don't really see any marginal benefit of going to Mars at all.
doug09MT 2 years ago
We didn't see any marginal benefit of going to the moon either. One obvious effect was the sudden surge in interest in the fields of science in engineering.
AlphaCrucis 2 years ago
We could terraform it using the special selection on plants to survive the climate and planting them there, would take an estimated 100 to 1000 years but it would surely be worth it for later generations...
RoronoaZoro222 2 years ago
@RoronoaZoro222 I don't think we should terraform anything..... how would you like it if Earth was Marsformed? Mars, as lifeless as it is, is a part of nature... we shouldn't make the universe into OUR image.... we should leave it as nature intended, we're not that great hot-shots
bbphnix 1 year ago
@bbphnix
You know what else is a part of nature? Trees. Does this mean we should never cut any of them down and turn them into math/science textbooks? Obviously it is in our interest to have things like medical textbooks. Likewise, it is in the interest of humanity to terraform Mars and become a multi-planet species.
Just because something is "natural" does not mean it is objectively the best idea. Just because Mars is "naturally" the way it is doesn't mean human beings shouldn't change it.
jmxgen 1 year ago
@jmxgen like I said in my previous comment, why shape the world into our image? I see no point to that; you might argue we would make our lives better, but what is the point of doing that to the extreme? I am not saying we shouldn't improve our lives, that we shouldn't evolve... quite the contrary I admire the improvements in technology and society over the ages and I hope they will improve further...
bbphnix 1 year ago
@bbphnix
"you might argue we would make our lives better, but what is the point of doing that to the extreme?"
The point of making our lives better to an extreme.... is to make our lives much better. That should be obvious. Making our lives better is pleasurable, and that's why we should do it as much as possible.
jmxgen 1 year ago
@jmxgen but should we go so far as to do things like: extinguish species, pollute the whole planet, turn the land into our bed and food basket (analogy for: cities and the farm-land that feeds them) on a global level, turning Earth into Coruscant, terraforming Mars and who knows what other planets..... should we shape the whole damn universe into our image? who the hell are we?
bbphnix 1 year ago
@bbphnix
"but should we go so far as to do things like: extinguish species, pollute the whole planet, turn the land into our bed and food basket (analogy for: cities and the farm-land that feeds them) on a global level"
We already do all of those things. Would you rather give up modern technology and civilization in order to stop?
"terraforming Mars and who knows what other planets..... should we shape the whole damn universe into our image?"
Why not?
jmxgen 1 year ago
@jmxgen why not???? You didn't get it from all the stuff I wrote? read it again, more carefully...
but a very crude sum up would be:
'cause we don't deserve it!
bbphnix 1 year ago
@jmxgen we are a species that appeared practically a few moments ago, and now we claim to be the lords of the universe? humanity has some great qualities but.... it's not just not fair, it's not right, nature SHOULD as much as possible be left as it is, a beautiful mechanism where every piece fits together to make run like clockwork...
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"and now we claim to be the lords of the universe? humanity has some great qualities but.... it's not just not fair, it's not right, nature SHOULD as much as possible be left as it is"
What's so objectively better about having Mars remain a barren lifeless world as opposed to being terraformed into a world providing a habitat for life?
jmxgen 1 year ago
@jmxgen because that's what the natural form of Mars is;
hey, let's build cities on Mars, like dome-cities or something similar; look, I did say in one of the comments that expanding our civilization is not a bad thing.... but let's not exaggerate; cities rather than terraformation
bbphnix 1 year ago
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"because that's what the natural form of Mars is;"
Natural doesn't mean better.
jmxgen 1 year ago
@bbphnix
"because that's what the natural form of Mars is;"
Doesn't matter. Spreading organic life to other planets is a far more compelling interest than preserving a giant red lump of dust in its 'natural' state - as a giant red lump of dust.
jmxgen 1 year ago
@bbphnix
"humanity has some great qualities but.... it's not just not fair, it's not right, nature SHOULD as much as possible be left as it is"
Why? Why is something 'natural' objectively better than something 'unnatural'? Value is something created and experienced in the mind of a living being. If human beings value something 'natural' less than something 'unnatural,' and it pleases them to change something natural into something unnatural, there is no reason for them not to do it.
jmxgen 1 year ago
@jmxgen yes, we should evolve, nature, the clockwork I just mentioned, it it's "ticking" created us, and we are capable of being aware of understanding nature, our creator, of understanding ourselves, of creating technology and philosophy... but that evolution has to be like I said above sensible, protect species, the environment, use our technology to make our lives better AND SIMULTANEOUSLY coexist with nature, explore space, BUT NOT TERRAFORM WHOLE PLANETS!!!
bbphnix 1 year ago
@jmxgen on a less philosophical, more particular note: Mars has beauties of it's own as it is, those would be destroyed if we terraformed the planet; just like a forrest or even a dessert have own beauty... you shouldn't chop down a forrest and neither should you turn a dessert into farmland (assuming we had the technology to do it... that was more of a sci-fi scenario)
again sorry for so many massages but I wanted to get my ideas across properly
bbphnix 1 year ago
@bbphnix
"on a less philosophical, more particular note: Mars has beauties of it's own as it is, those would be destroyed if we terraformed the planet"
I think a world teaming with organic life is a much more beautiful thing than a giant red dustbowl.
"just like a forrest or even a dessert have own beauty... you shouldn't chop down a forrest"
We chop down forests all the time. That's where we get math/science textbooks. Do you oppose that?
jmxgen 1 year ago
@jmxgen yes I sure do; this is a technological question; we can use other materials instead of paper or recycle paper already used; examples: plastic or paper grown by genetically-created bacteria in the laboratory; but the best solution is this: digitize everything; then there's no need for books at all;
bbphnix 1 year ago
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"we can use other materials instead of paper or recycle paper already used; examples: plastic or paper grown by genetically-created bacteria in the laboratory; but the best solution is this: digitize everything; then there's no need for books at all"
There's no 'need' for lots of things. There's no 'need' for ice cream, apple pie, restaurants, automobiles, or big-screen TVs. So? The question isn't whether things are 'needed,' the question is whether people want them.
jmxgen 1 year ago
@bbphnix
"but the best solution is this: digitize everything; then there's no need for books at all;"
I hope you're aware that electronics-related pollution is considered by large swaths of environmentalists to be a quite a compelling problem. After taking that into consideration, your solution creates nearly as many environmental problems as it solves.
The bottom line is: if you want modern comforts and high standards of living, you need to alter the natural world to do it.
jmxgen 1 year ago
@bbphnix
"and neither should you turn a dessert into farmland (assuming we had the technology to do it... that was more of a sci-fi scenario)"
Well actually, to an extent, we do that right now too. It's called irrigation, and we have a much larger food supply because of it. Would you rather we didn't irrigate our crops, so we had much less land, and even more people starve to death than currently do?
Irrigation is awesome. I totally support terraforming.
jmxgen 1 year ago
@jmxgen if I could shape the world into my own view, I would genetically engineer organisms that could produce many needed substances without the need of exploiting nature... or at least not as much as we do today; imagine a whole city having it's food supplied by own huge facility as opposed to several thousand acres of forests and preerie...or desert turned into farm-land;
bbphnix 1 year ago
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"if I could shape the world into my own view, I would genetically engineer organisms that could produce many needed substances without the need of exploiting nature... "
If pigs could fly...
jmxgen 1 year ago
@bbphnix
"if I could shape the world into my own view..."
If pigs could fly...
"if I could shape the world into my own view, I would genetically engineer organisms that could produce many needed substances without the need of exploiting nature..."
There's nothing wrong with 'exploiting' nature when doing so makes people's lives better. That's what we've been doing since the dawn of civilization, and it's responsible for our modern comforts and high standard of living.
jmxgen 1 year ago
@jmxgen well, actually I am studying to be a genetic engineer... so I could contribute to realizing that view of the world that I just described...so yeah pigs just might fly
"and it's responsible for our modern comforts and high standard of living."
those things can be achieved in a more nature-friendly way; much more; that's the things with technology, it's our invention we can make it anyway we want, including good with us and nature at the same time
bbphnix 1 year ago
@bbphnix
"those things [modern comforts, high standards of living] can be achieved in a more nature-friendly way;"
They probably COULD be, but at a certain cost. Producing things that are eco-friendly is typically more costly than producing things the conventional way. This means the scarce scientific and financial resources of a people would be misdirected toward activities that don't increase living standards, in place of producing more things people want (which increases living standards).
jmxgen 1 year ago
@bbphnix
"those things can be achieved in a more nature-friendly way;"
Like many other people, I don't care about what's best for nature. First and foremost, I'm interested in improving living standards for sentient beings, such as humans. Preserving things in their 'natural' state is only a worthy or laudable goal to the extent that it benefits sentient beings.
As soon as it is cheaper, easier, or in our interest to change the natural into the unnatural (for our benefit) it should be done.
jmxgen 1 year ago
@jmxgen I was just about to reply since this was originally started by my comment, but I see you thoroughly wiped the floor with him in this little comment debate already, good job :)
RoronoaZoro222 1 year ago
fuck nasa, the x prize alone will suffice.
behold, the birth of independent, and hopefully open source space exploration.
maniacafrodisiac 3 years ago
You can always send the talibans to mars. Now that is money well spent.
Sweden80Here 3 years ago 2
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This Mars shit is a huge waste of cash.
youngdrodeau 3 years ago
India, China, and Russia got themselves spacecraft now. D:
yottaparsec 3 years ago
so this means my neighbor who is making a spaceshuttle will get there b4 nasa
BUSBOYPRODUCTIONS 3 years ago
why waste money for exploration and dicovery when you can spend that money on warfare!
tammytrauma 3 years ago 2
2nd guy is exactly right, people like the 1st guy and his stupidity for blowing more money on usless funding has destroyed the ecomony such as this usless war for one mans greed.
this conflict on no way shape or form should have taken nearly as long as it has.
XAneimaX 3 years ago
The space program isn't even comparable to the war in Iraq. The space program has provided valuable insights into the cosmos, given us new technologies, and has furthered science as a whole. It is expensive yes, but there are much less valuable things that should be cut before the space program is even touched.
Termite551 3 years ago
The second guy's answer Is Directly on point...Good fuckin answer...as deep in dept as we are..we need to worry about where we are "Earth"....Not spendin millions on a trip to Mars..."To the second guy" u may have lost the vote of the guy who asked that question...but i believe you got many more for that answer.
KallMeKris 3 years ago
Kennedy had a lot more money lying around than our next President will have.
CountArtha 3 years ago 8
Not really...
but it costs a lot more to get to Mars than it does the moon.
chukmaty 3 years ago
ha ha ha !!! hillary to mars
PossiblyInsane33 3 years ago
Mars trip would be a waste of money. Instead there should be a program of mapping meteors and such objects, and also a program to figure out how to change their trajectories if needed.
youngThrashbarg 3 years ago
Yes... and that is why the last guy isn't going to win the election.... fuck tart
Batgirl33 3 years ago
As funny as it was, the attack on Hilary was REALLY uncalled for.
MacabreTurtle 3 years ago
the funny was def. more worth while
ArrowLance 3 years ago
haha, the Hilary attack was awesome, not that I don't like Hilary it's just that it was a good jab.
darkkodiak001 3 years ago
So, NASA created televisions? Hmm.
MooseOfReason 3 years ago
no the united kingdom invented television
painsey 3 years ago
The television is an aggregation of several different inventions put together. Most of them came from either the U.S. or the U.K. but neither country invented the TV all by itself.
CountArtha 3 years ago
DUMB asses! Why worry going to a desert such as mars and spend millions of dollars or billions to make mars a greener planet such as earth, when we have planet earth that is already green? All we need to do is focus first on our planet and make it a better place to live in! Worry Mars later!!!
emsing2001 4 years ago
"Let's worry about Earth, then worry about Space!"
This is the sort of short sighted, small minded thinking that gets a species extinct. Space exploration and infrastructure may very well be the only thing capable of saving this planet as well as it's population.
Because you can't connect 'up there' to 'down here' in your heads is a limitation of your own imaginations. Study history and you'll see it's filled with idiots like you lot at every major discovery.
bagtaggar 4 years ago 4
you are syupid crazy and dumb as a beggar on the street! You cant even solve the problem of global warming or solve the cutting of trees or iligal tree cutting then you gonna go to mars that in facts its impossible or in the process of solving how to put life there?! Solve our problem in this planet first stop cutting trees you dumb ass!
emsing2001 4 years ago
Learn how to spell before you flame someone. We not as a country but as a planet need to push space exploration to the limit. Global warming is happening and will continue to happen, there is no way to stop it. Eventually this planet will not be able to sustain life due to overpopulation and vanishing resources. Space colonization is the only thing that is going to save our species from extinction, it's going to happen and we should focus on it now instead of when its to late.
getphazed 4 years ago
So we just need to find NEW planets to overpopulate and pollute when this one is gone? That'll work for about five generations, MAYBE.
CountArtha 3 years ago
Why do we care about Mars its a giant desert! The question should have been about space exploration
Xtremist86 4 years ago
Here's an idea, how about we worry about the people on Earth before we worry about a barren planet with no oxygen. Mars can kiss my ass.
turbidbitch1 4 years ago
There will always be poverty, war, disease, and all that other bad stuff, no matter WHAT. Human space exploration should not be stopped or put off until that stuff is solved because that stuff will NEVER be completely solved.
YouTracy 4 years ago 2
lets send all the democrats to mars and let them make a Utopian socialist society........but for now we might have to keep them here until we can fix our deficit which we need to fix now. thanks tancredo but he has already dropped out.
coolestguyohya16 4 years ago
Good Shot, Tancredo...Honest answer vs. Huck's magic.. Speaking of going to Mars with a skyrocketing budget deficits:)
winterblade1 4 years ago
Huckabee had a nice line in there! haha. However, Tancerdo spoke the truth.
xxsugarxarteryxx 4 years ago
your country is going bankrupt that may be hard to crasp im sure it was hard for the russians to crasp 20 yrs ago but its coming thats for sure. RON PAUL is the only one addrressing this but who cares right. wake up america!!!! youtube "ron paul" now to be awaken and finally learn for yourselves.
spanishaustralian 4 years ago
Huckabee had the best line!
I agree, we should send Hilary to Mars, and leave her there!
Gordostube 4 years ago
I agree with the second guy.
Fuck Mars
cyncmaster150 4 years ago
Mike Huckabee knows how to say something, that in other context may cause some criticism, and turn it into a funny thing...
Go Mike you're by far the best!!!
perfumouni 4 years ago
petty childish illusory
huckabee
he is a magician like the space program and technology in general which has been useful until now but come now there is gratuitousness
austinsive 4 years ago
I can't stand Huckaboo but that was a great line
sending Hillary to Mars & not a bad idea...
mrkrl 4 years ago
WHATA IDIOT.. waste money on mars when u cant even take care of ur own country
jezzetv 4 years ago
I know that being in space has made its benefits, which include medicene, but... We're spending a LOT of money to explore something that makes no difference in the lives of average people. Wouldn't it be wiser to spend more money on education and other such things than finding out if we're alone in the galaxy?
BeanNBuur 4 years ago
huckabee was cool until he made that comment about hillary, how adult are we?
ljpvt 4 years ago
Huckabee is by far the best!!!
perfumouni 4 years ago
hold on a second, this comment is super stupid
from XENODAMUS, contaminate the space station and surrounding areas, if you do not know outer space is full of contaminants
"SPECIALLY" radioactive and that is one of many reasons the space suit is radioactive proof
jimdrade 4 years ago
are you crazy hillary to mars, she better go alone cause she will anoyed the shit out of the people that travels with her
jimdrade 4 years ago
yeah, don't spend money on anything constructive, just spend 300x more on blowing up iraq >_>
MiniDJBeirne 4 years ago
What's with the Hilary thing???????
Seriously grow up. I mean, I don't like her that much myself but stop trying to make yourself look good by making fun of her. That is very childish
vada06 4 years ago
Mars bitches!
with red rocks
goread41 4 years ago
lol! Hillary on the first rocket to Mars... oh my. -That was rich.
wordkeeper 4 years ago
haha, yea that was awesome.
Genius523 4 years ago
There's just no pay we can feasibly send massive payloads for megastructures via conventional fuel rockets. Nuclear rockets are out of the question since it would contaminate the entire space station and surrounding area.
Instead we should concentrate on space elevator technology, based on materials science, as well as industrial engineering to manufacture nano-shaped materials on a massive scale.
Xenodamus 4 years ago
come to Jesus Today is the best debate and policies
71Warrior4Jesus 4 years ago
Space Exploration in my opinion is the most important thing this country is spending money on. We need to colonize space and I don't mean that moon or mars but space its self with torus, cylindrical, and bernal colonies. We can do it we just procrastinate over and over again.
Inuyasha1945 4 years ago 4
FUCK HUMAN SPACE EXPLORATION
lets explore how the constitution is being shitted on, our country is going bankrupt, we're in an awful war, and we're losing our civil liberties
"NASSHOLES I COLE 'EM"
-George Carlin
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TinaBopperM 4 years ago
WTF? Where do they find these dumbass questions? Who is this idiot? We have more important things than SPACE EXPLORATION, moron! I wanna slap him upside the head for wasting the candidates' time. I wanna slap the CNN video-chooser, too. This Youtube debate seems like a huge joke based on all these waste-of-time questions. NASA should be privatized, if you ask me! Save about 15 billion a year. We don't need to explore space anymore. The space race has long been over.
Whoo69 4 years ago
I am the Moron who asked the question. Space exploration goes beyond just the US/Soviet space race. Space explorationwill serve the purpose of helping us better understand the universe in which we exist, and further help us determine if life is unique to earth. Science and Exploration of this kind are progressive ideas that go beyond the basic "just to survive" programs, and war.
Eisenmond 4 years ago 8
Furthermore, I do encourage the privatization of space exploration, but Congress has passed a series of regulations on private space exploration making it very difficult for start-ups to compete.
As well, your view of things seems very short-sigthed, in that anything outside of basic survival seems like a waste...
So why don't you try to expand your vocabulary, instead of insulting a complete stranger, try adding something constructive, and try expanding your horizons.
Eisenmond 4 years ago 7
what d'you say of this:I'm kind of tired of US having the monopole on so many things on this Earth...so I am even more outraged of the notion of US monopole over space!!! I mean u said "putting an American on the surface of Mars" WHY AMERICAN!?!?!
OK I realise it's your space program... but maybe that's the problem... COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD UNITE IN THE FIELD OF SPACE EXPLORATION+US:SHARE YOUR SPACE PROGRAM WITH THE OTHER COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD Maybe the 1st man on MARS should be a Romanian!!!
bbphnix 1 year ago
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" I mean u said "putting an American on the surface of Mars" WHY AMERICAN!?!?!
OK I realise it's your space program... but maybe that's the problem... COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD UNITE IN THE FIELD OF SPACE EXPLORATION+US:SHARE YOUR SPACE PROGRAM WITH THE OTHER COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD Maybe the 1st man on MARS should be a Romanian!!!"
lol. If all of you other countries want to use America's space program, why don't you get your own like America did?
jmxgen 1 year ago
@jmxgen well, where I put a '+' I really meant and/or but I was running out of sapce;
indeed, other countries should have their own space program.... each can have one or all small countries which can't hav eone by themselves could unite to make one for all or the us could share it's space program or all of the above
bbphnix 1 year ago
@jmxgen but my point was something else; despite the fact that I realize the practical complications of having a space program and hence why only some rich countries can have them, despite that practical fact, on a moral level, it doesn't seem fair to me that one country should have monopole or close to monopole over space... space is the ultimate frontier for all humanity
bbphnix 1 year ago
@bbphnix
"it doesn't seem fair to me that one country should have monopole or close to monopole over space... space is the ultimate frontier for all humanity"
Nobody has a monopoly on space.. more and more countries are creating their own space programs like Iran and China. If your country doesn't have one and you want one, call your politicians and tell them to get their act together. It's not America's fault you don't have a space program like ours.
jmxgen 1 year ago
@jmxgen we're surrounded by space, space is practically all the universe-the volume of the earth, it's a form of nature, it's future of technology, of humanity, on a physical and spiritual level.... something like that shouldn't just be treated as piece of land is, it shouldn't belong just to companies or governments... every nation should have access to it; that's my point
sorry for sending you 3 messages, I wasn't trying to spam, just trying to get my point across a little better
bbphnix 1 year ago
@bbphnix
"space is practically all the universe-the volume of the earth, it's a form of nature, it's future of technology, of humanity, on a physical and spiritual level.... something like that shouldn't just be treated as piece of land is, it shouldn't belong just to companies or governments... every nation should have access to it; that's my point"
And they CAN - if they get their act together and start working on a space program. If they don't, that's their problem.
jmxgen 1 year ago
Human exploration of Mars can yield so much benefit to humanity, not just the United States... We can answer questions like how to be better keepers of our earth, if life is unique to earth, etc. The cost is minimal compared to the benefits... and if we go with the help of NASA or not, humanity should stop waging wars and start realizing our full potential.
TheMarsSociety 4 years ago
Even though I believe in space colonization I don't think we should colonize celstial bodies but use Torus Colonies that way we can make as many as we wish without the tedious task of terriformation.
Inuyasha1945 4 years ago 3
Too bad RP didn't get this question. He'd have laid the smack down.
The government doesn't have the right to steal my money at gunpoint and build spaceships with it, sorry. I know it's morally uplifting and amazing and it may have some side benefits. Doesn't matter - they don't have the RIGHT.
johanwolfe 4 years ago
How come Ron Paul is so popular on the internet. I don't like it. I hope that after he loses in 2008, we never see him again.
mozart20dlubos 4 years ago
Do you listen to what he says? I mean what are you looking for in a president? I dont understand you people. This man is trying to save the country you live in! We are in trouble here and no one seems to want to listen to a man who is shooting straight form the hip with factual information to back it up! Wake up!
bgabbs69 4 years ago 3
People are starting to listen.
Justice in Government is coming!
Ron Paul '08
SKVNGE 4 years ago
I've listened to Ron Paul. He's a madman. He's not trying to save us, he's hurting us by being so lax and soft on national security. What exactly are you ron paul supporters anyway ? Ex-liberals ? Because anyone who thinks like ron paul does about national security has to have a liberal mindset.
mozart20dlubos 4 years ago
Lax on national security! He's the one that wants to protect our borders and bring our troops home to protect our counrty not work street patrol in fucking Iraq! So no obviously you dont listen. 9 TRILLION dollars in debt, 3 BILLION a day in borrowing, 1 TRILLION a year on a war we shouldnt even be in! How is that protecting our national security? Maybe you should listen harder there guy.
bgabbs69 4 years ago
sending Hillary to mars would make people like her more. Huckabee, you are an idiot
booksbooks 4 years ago
For more information on the current push for Mars Exploration, visit our user profile and subsequently our website.
There is a lot going on, and with space enthusiasts rallying behind the movement, we can ensure that the space program does not stagnate in low earth orbit.
TheMarsSociety 4 years ago
The question regarding Mars Exploration is a serious question, and should be asked of all the Presidential candidates. We currently poses the technology to achieve such a mission, and further private research is being conducted on every aspect involved with making such a journey. We welcome bold leaders with vision!
TheMarsSociety 4 years ago
wow, do you think she would really go?
mandmp11 4 years ago
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nododon 4 years ago
God bless everyone here for Loving Jesus.
71Warrior4Jesus 4 years ago
Fuck off
bgabbs69 4 years ago
I don't know...I don't think I could vote for Huckabee, not even as second fiddle.
gingergargoyle 4 years ago
We can go to space but not now, not when we're over 2 trillion dollars in debt, literacy rate is 97% and half the world is starving to death.18,000 children die of hunger every day and you wanna go to mars?
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
Yep.
gingergargoyle 4 years ago
oops I need to clarify or you might think I'm agreeing with you--which I'm not. Yep I want to send people to Mars.
gingergargoyle 4 years ago
Hmm...I have a solutions for that: hallucinogens :) (Salvia to be specific)
ZeNiteOwl 4 years ago
Wow, didn't notice until now that Huckabee is a really scripted person. At first I thought he was speaking from the heart, but now it sounds as if he's speaking off a halmark card everytime.
OoorahEntertainment 4 years ago
because he speaks well you assume he is scripted? How so?
Eisenmond 4 years ago
mars= :(
space habitats= :D
cockroach2 4 years ago
Huckabee and his lame attack on Hillary...
what a low-class ignorant hillbilly fucktard.
Raul48819 4 years ago
he should have said we should send her dismembered corpse...i bet all the christian republicans would get wet in their seats
circlejosh 4 years ago
There are homeless people in America,literacy rate is 97% and you these bitches wanna send people to mars?Get your fuckin priorities straight.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
There will always be homeless people in America. The fact that they exist does not mean that we should cease scientific exploration.
And a literacy rate of 97% seems pretty good! What is it in other countries? I bet not that high?
But you are advocating holding back society so everyone can play catch-up? Get real. We need to make progress, and continue growing our society in parallel!
Eisenmond 4 years ago
Space exploration has given us a lot of technology and made all of our lives easier.But putting a man on any planet is a fuckin waste of time,money and effort.That same money,time,effort could go to treating AIDS,ending world hunger,education,and eliminating poverty in America,and abroad.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
and equipping sharks with lasers...important shit!!!!!!
circlejosh 4 years ago 2
Are you stating that America has to be single track minded? Why not do all of these things AND explore space? It is not a matter of funding. Nasa only gets 0.6% of the national budget as it is, and that is for ALL NASA science. Human Space flight is a mere fraction of that budget.
Eisenmond 4 years ago
Pork-barrel spending on Wars? 51% of our Federal Income Taxes goes to pork-barrel spending on False-Flag Wars. We have a 51% percent Federal False-Flag War Tax.
Iraq War False-Flag War
Vietnam False-flag War
Spanish American War False-Flag War
Iran the next False-Flag War
51% of your Federal Income Taxes pay for these wars. Who really benefits from False-Flag Wars?
ManufacturedThoughts 4 years ago 2
while pure NASA science grabs just 0.6% of the federal budget. Tancredo: "We cannot afford this", but he wants to stay indefinately in Iraq? NASA has cost $612 Billion over 50 years. Iraq has cost $450 Billion over 4 years.
Put progress and science over war... the benefits are clear!
Eisenmond 4 years ago
that hillary thing was a little childish. if we could ever find him i would personally vote for osama bin laden to mars. but man on mars is a waste of money. what was the benefit of man on the moon?
southco3894 4 years ago
Microwave ovens, Tang, Environmental Controls (A/C), computer technology, propulsion technologies, battery technologies), Radar technologies, Radiation technologies, food technologies, composite technologies, etc etc... so, yeah... there was a lot of benefit. And much more to come from a prolonged visit to another planet!
Eisenmond 4 years ago
Sending a man to Mars is a ridiculous expense that we can't afford. There are more important and relevant things to spend money on.
sunday325 4 years ago
Sending a man to Mars is not expensive. We can spend our money a million ways... space explopration is the most innovative and inspirational. NASA's cost over 50 years has been $612 billion, where the Iraq war has cost $450 billion in 4 years. Which has provided more benefit?
Eisenmond 4 years ago
definitely the space program, but I also think that 450 billion could be spent on more important things.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
Oh, agreed... it would be crazy to suggest that ALL 450 billion be pumped into the space program! Mars by 2020 would require about 1 Billion increase a year, or a total after adjusting the current Orion program to equal about 20 Billion over 13 years... That is small potatoes! And the other 449 Billion can go back to the taxpayer, the debt, or to me :)
Eisenmond 4 years ago
DING DING DING DING, Governor Mike Hucklebee said Hiliary Clinton, that's this election season's magic word!
squizo21 4 years ago 2
Wow, a Hillary joke...ha ha. Huckabee, your coffin misses you.
drkhwy 4 years ago 2
obama 08
for stopping these warmongers.
schwirzl 4 years ago
What does space exploration have to do with the war?
qqqmmmpppzzz 4 years ago
nothing
schwirzl 4 years ago
give the liberal spinners some time--they will figure out a way of linking it...and blaming it on Bush, too.
gingergargoyle 4 years ago
Is this a joke? I'm not a Hillary supporter (and it has nothing to do with her being a "bitch" and all the other nonsense comments people make, I actually take issue with her positions on the ISSUES, remember those?) but that comment was absolutely unnecessary. He did it simply to throw red meat to the jackals in the crowd and they ate it up.
boredgurl24 4 years ago
oh man...it was a Schwarzeneggar moment, that's for sure. I'm surprised though that the media hasn't made hay with it though.
gingergargoyle 4 years ago
Tancredo should bow out, now. He really, truly, has no idea what he is talking about on almost any other issue than immigration.
kiminokami 4 years ago
thats so petty...lets send hillary to mars? Republicans are so tribal and selfish
bakdgreat 4 years ago
No matter what political group you attack, it is an example of the pot calling the kettle black. Democrats are PLEEEEENTY tribal and selfish.
kiminokami 4 years ago 3
lets not judge all Republicans by Huckabee and we won't judge all Democrats by Jesse Jackson.
gingergargoyle 4 years ago
fair enough...but jesse jackson is just a figure head, nobody really takes him seriously..i dont think its a fair comparison. Anyway everyone gangs up on Hillary cause its easy to be a sexist as a republican...they still believe women are evil.
bakdgreat 4 years ago
How can you say no one takes Jackson serious? Have you seen his following? I don't like Hillary, but it has nothing to do with her being a woman--I really wish that Libby Dole had stayed in the race, I really wish that Condy would have ran too. Republicans don't like Hillary because she swings with the polls like her husband did, and many around here view her as the Neo-Carpetbagger.
gingergargoyle 4 years ago
They're not evil, it's just that it's easy to make fun of her. lol nice 1 Huckabee!
v12engine12v 4 years ago
Fuck man if this kid wants to go to Mars, he can put forth the money himself....He's probably a smart kid but he still believes money grows on trees or his parents wallet.
smittsteve04 4 years ago
For starters, I am not a kid. I posed the question as an Engineer on the current HSF NASA programs as a response to Congress cutting Human to Mars funding of our current program. I clearly understand the value of a dollar, and I also understand that there are things worth spending money on, and Human Space Exploration is the most inspirational of them all. BTW, I am not a kid. Thanks though!
Eisenmond 4 years ago
I firmly believe that the best way to explore space is via private enterprise... however, Congress has placed so many restrictions on private space flight that it is impossible for small ventures to start up. So we are faced with the beast that is NASA. Taking 23 years to go to mars when we have the technology at hand is nothing more than prolonging the process to ensure longevity of jobs. What it really does is kills ingenuity in the field of aerospace.
Eisenmond 4 years ago
Thank you Tancredo for shutting up this stupid old crowd. These old geezers are the ones that are going to kill this country for all of us.
kitadabeagle 4 years ago
Mars? People are dying from starvation and wars on this planet.
renzaura 4 years ago
I dont think you understand resource allocation concepts very well...like most republicans, your logic is grounded in black and white.
bakdgreat 4 years ago
Logic is grounded on what is most beneficial for the country. Risk/Reward.
Yes, research benefits society through technological,scientific,and medical advancements. I'm not against that.
I'm against the govenrment stealing money from the American people that stifles all innovation through taxes, which is the power to destroy. Regulation should STRICTLY adhere to the US Constitution and prosperity would reign.
renzaura 4 years ago
There was...but lets fix the economy first and all the other problems first.Are they so enthusiastic about education.
urlocalSAVAGE 4 years ago
lets fix america first before fucking america up
tamaragranger 4 years ago
wow lets see...translation..
"are you willing to waste money on another useless cause?"
we should worry about the Iraq war and immigration not mars
mexcan27 4 years ago
its coast a shit load of money to invest in the space program, why dont we just spend the money on the right stuff
justAquickNut 4 years ago
hehe...Hilary Clinton... on Mars... XD
emmaisms 4 years ago
lol hes awesome
tsh4nby 4 years ago
From Wikipedia
"As of June 13, 2006, over $320 billion has been allocated by the US Congress for the current war in Iraq, in comparison it only cost $2 billion to create the Hubble Space Telescope, and NASA's yearly budget averages only about $16 billion a year, in other words the money that has been spent on the Iraq war could have funded NASA for approximately 21 years"
cockroach2 4 years ago 2
I like that! Hilary goes to mars! lol
vitaswonderful1 4 years ago
We should shoot Osama into the Sun.
Vanostran 4 years ago