Yes, the Quran makes no sense at all as a whole. It has its moments, of course, like all so-called "holy texts". But it also descends deeply into la-la land on other occasions. But Muslims are people just like all other people.
I had a Turkish Muslim neighbor that I thought was a pretty good guy (except for his annoying habit of calling me Christian, even though I explained to him that I was an atheist dozens of times) until he attempted to rationalize Palestinians suicide bombing Israeli school children. Since then I have not believed in "moderate" Islam.
There are enough reformations in Islam But the Koran can never change and is infalable. You can not change the Koran like they did with the bible nor ar we going to do that. We are the ones who are Moslims but other people want to change what they don't know what a joke. take a look at bijbelenkoran. nl to compaire the Bible with The Koran
Well, literally interpreting the Koran is foolishness.
A winged horse would not be able to fly, much less take you to Paradise.
No one outside of the Middle East and (later conquered) India mentions the moon being split asunder. India's history was probably rewritten to include the tale.
Either interpret those two things as metaphorical and admit that the Koran is not literal truth or be regarded as silly.
Islam means putting youre desires on the side and doing what God expects you to do. You can believe in Islam and don't follow the rules that does not make you a Moslim. That makes you a admirer. We said this over and over again that Islam is against terrorism or deviding but until people respect us for who we are and respect our way of life it would be hypocrasy to expect any respect from us.
"We said this over and over again that Islam is against terrorism or deviding but until people respect us for who we are and respect our way of life it would be hypocrasy to expect any respect from us."
"My respect is earned not given away, but I will give you my indifference for free" - Matticus Kole
I refuse to give people, who submit to the reign of terrorist groups, ANY respect. You want respect from us? Earn it by speaking out against the extremists.
I speak out to the injustice not to the extremist. I speak out to the terrorist wich is in my vieuw George Bush. I don't need youre respect but if you want to fight against my religion with 1.5 miljard Moslims I will be on the front line if you have a freedom of speach I will refuse to be on the background and be apologetic for someoneelses actions. You people first speak out against the terrorist Bush if then still something happens from our side we will speak against that.
"I don't need youre respect but if you want to fight against my religion with 1.5 miljard Moslims I will be on the front line if you have a freedom of speach I will refuse to be on the background and be apologetic for someoneelses actions. "
Hrumph... I'm gonna guess English is not your first language? Most of that was illegible to me.
"You people first speak out against the terrorist Bush if then still something happens from our side we will speak against that."
When Bush went after Osama Bin Laden... I was cheering. However, when Bush went after Saddam Hussien, I was one of his more vocal critics (in my part of the US). The extremists from YOUR side were the one's who attacked first. Therefore... YOUR side is the one who must speak out first.
This is what you think. Maybe you don't know what is going on in the world in the last century. American Army Bases Are stated in almost every country in the world. British People took Half of Palastina wich was a Moslim country for 900 years and gave it to The Jews in 1945 after ww2 just to feel good about them selfs. Amerikans helpt Israel take more land from Syria,Libanon and The Palastinians in 1967
By the Way he went after Osmama but chased the Taliban to the mountains and attacked them. No Osama Bin Laden. And what a cuinsadanse that the new President was already a friend of Bush before he Invaded Afganistan. Isn't it funny that 6 months before war a representatief of Taliban was in Amerika for talks about gaspipelines from Kazachistan true Afganistan for Amerikan conpanies. Bush has a lot of cuinsadances don't he?
By the Way he went after Osmama but chased the Taliban to the mountains and attacked them. No Osama Bin Laden. And what a cuinsadanse that the new President was already a friend of Bush before he Invaded Afganistan. Isn't it funny that 6 months before war a representatief of Taliban was in Amerika for talks about gaspipelines from Kazachistan true Afganistan for Amerikan conpanies. Bush has a lot of cuinsadances don't he?
By the Way he went after Osmama but chased the Taliban to the mountains and attacked them. No Osama Bin Laden. And what a cuinsadanse that the new President was already a friend of Bush before he Invaded Afganistan. Isn't it funny that 6 months before war a representatief of Taliban was in Amerika for talks about gaspipelines from Kazachistan true Afganistan for Amerikan conpanies. Bush has a lot of cuinsadances don't he?
Which extremists how many extremists attacked youre country? Only one group. How many death 3000. Spain attack 190 death. Britain 40 50 i dont know. total of lets say 3300. How many people did The Amerikan Terrorist Army kill? Around 2.000.000 in Irak and Afganistan. This is no terrorism no This is Genocide. And if you aren't agreeing with me is only because you put more value on Amerikan lifes than on Moslim Lifes.
I will accept you for who you are and I will accept your way of life as your choice, for yourself. You will do the same in return. Respect, however, needs to be earned.
They do take some teasing out, granted. But that's no excuse for pretending they don't exist. And maybe they're reluctant to speak out because their environment is not conducive to doing so. So it would take a lot more guts for them to speak out than it would for us. So maybe it's not that there are so few, but that they're scared. Certainly isn't right, of course.
Agreed. People need to distinguish between believer and extremist.
People forget that Christianity was once like this, with the Crusades and witch-hunts. Condemning all Muslims forces them to choose between us or them, when instead we should be encouraging them.
At the heart of every great religion lie the same eternal truths, where things go awry is when people take ancient writings and pose them as an authoritative "word of god" when they are only actually inspired writings that contain wonderful moral lessons and virtuous allegories...but some feel the necessity to use these writings to build dogma, doctrine & creed to enslave minds ....Unknown
remember that muslims tend to lie about religious issues. they put a layer of moderation over their death-cult, but it might very well be that its all lies. arafat almost turned into some kind of art, getting the nobel price for peace while preaching jihad behind closed doors.
and even if the violence caused by islam would stop, then the religion would still be just as ridiculous as christianity.
kurtilein3...I myself am an atheist. However I do not blindly campaign against religion. I have too many Christian friends that bare no resemblance to the Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell fundamentalist stereotype. This is why I can't accept to the Muslim stereotype that has been shoved down my throat by the western media.
Respectfully... Each time I read one of your comments or watch one of your videos I can't help but feel that you are as steeped in your own dogma as any of the groups you rail against.
im fed up with the stupidity that the religious morons are spreading so proudly, thats all. no secret.
when it comes to religion, i want to see changes during my lifetime. so many people are suffering just because a bunch of ideas is spreading like a virus, causing all kinds of damage, from waste of resources to traumatized children and useless wars and terrorism.
to kurtilein3: I'm just curious if you are applying the same standards about truth etc to other forms of propaganda. How about the deception in corporatism, advertising and government that is creating so much misery? Why focus only on religions?
barklord: of course, other problems like biased media, conspiracy theories, new-age spirituality and the lack of understanding when it comes to science also need to be adressed. but the belief that faith is a virtue is at the core of the problem, and this belief is also at the core of all religions.
When you speak of religious morons are you referring to the fundamental extemists or the group as a whole? This is a crucial distinction I've yet to hear you make. Again, you have all my respect. You're clearly very intelligent. I'd just like to hear you address this subject with a little more curiosity. I feel that your established, immovable point of view (your dogma) gets in the way of that. Just my opinion. I'm nobody.
patflix: well, at least the extremists recognize that all other religions are crap. i think moderates can more easily change their minds, and the belief that all religions have some kind of validity and deserve respect causes a lot of problems, and this belief is exclusive to moderates. the moderates also provide the pool of people where the extremists find their followers.
so, i am differentiating, and im going after the moderates ^^
kurtilein3: It's clear that our world views differ from one another. Regardless...I appreciate your level of engagement and the time you take to respond. Thanks.
We don't difine them as crap but as not acceptabel to God because if there is a Creator it can only be one and if there is only one Creator there can only be one religion the religion of total submission to his will(Islam) and if you modarate this its is a partial submission and thus no Islam, no Islam no Moslim. But there can not be any compulsion in religion because if you force people to believe then where is the test? Where is de true conformation of God's power?
Is Islam more agressive than public relations campaigns that deliberately use deception to get what they want, even if the end result is addiction or war? Is Islam more dangerously mind-numbing than the opiates we call Tv or video games?
barklord: islam is easier to tackle than the issues you mention.
there are many problems on our planet, i am not limiting myself to religion, but if you compare and analyze the problems, you will see that religion is easier to solve than most of the other problems. if you had 80% non-religious people in america, less people that are faithful, it will also be easier to deal with the other stuff.
You can tackle a religion that is true but Islam is a way of live, an identity and 1.5 miljard people al over the world and groving. You can do whatever you want but you can not tackle Islam.
This is youre opinion everybody has his opinion. I don't concidere it an opinion but a fact that Islam is the one and onely true religion. Someone else can have a difrent opinion. But there is more agression in the Bible than in The Koran but we are conciderd agressief because we fight for our rights and against the opressor of the world Amerika.
To answer the question in the vid, because there are two types of Muslims: the evil and the corrupt. While the corrupt do include some innocents, they are still corrupt and therefore dangerous to themselves and others.
By corrupt, I am referring to their ideas from Islam in metaphysics, epistemology, ethics, and politics. The degree of this corruption varies between individuals as they compartmentalize Islam in their lives.
To the extent, that an individual Muslim is a mixture of virtue and vice, I respect virtue but that corrupt part of them that is from Islam is 100% vice.
The only reason anyone with an open mind might still adhere to Islam would be because of family or culture. I yelled at my computer screen when I saw a woman, feminist Muslim on a youtube vid argue for the inherent open-mindedness of the religion. "There are far more verses that relate this idea than there are those that don't." How utterly inane this statement is.
Of course. The Quran is riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies, but how that lady manages to mould that into her own liberal feminist outlook on life is her problem, isn't it? Why would you need to worry about that? She's taking steps in the right direction, and all I'm saying is that we need to encourage her while she does that.
Goodness I know what you mean about Muslim states. An Iranian friend of mine was Zoroastrian but legally he wasn't 'allowed' to be anything but 'Muslim'. And don't even get me started on the hypocrisy of Saudi Arabia, and Britain's own hypocrisy with the King of SA's recent visit.
It'll take a lot of Muslim countries several generations before they become moderate and what with the majority of them being developing countries they have added problems on top of some of the harsher regimes.
I really enjoyed "Essential Sufism" by Huston Smith. It's basically a collection of proverbs, quotes and stories in relation to Sufi beliefs. Very good read. My copy is dog eared and highlighted to a point where it's almost un-readable.
Rumi is the most well known and wonderful teachers of Sufism. His poetry is powerful and insightful. It won't let me post a link here, but if you Google him you'll find millions of references.
What song is that playing?
ViolentSubmissive 4 years ago
"Leave it alone" by Operator Please. Good, isn't it?
rozeboosje 4 years ago
My next door neighbors are Muslims who immigrated from Lebanon. They have always been very friendly to me and I am glad to have them as neighbors.
TheGiggler1 4 years ago
Good to hear it, Don :-)
rozeboosje 4 years ago
Thank you for this Pino.
thequestionmarkofGod 4 years ago
You're welcome Sara
rozeboosje 4 years ago
If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. - George Orwell
Mjhavok 4 years ago
Amen to good old George Orwell.
rozeboosje 4 years ago
We wouldn't have the works of Aristotle without Islamic scholars.
That said, I still think their religion is bonkers.
Mjhavok 4 years ago
Yes, the Quran makes no sense at all as a whole. It has its moments, of course, like all so-called "holy texts". But it also descends deeply into la-la land on other occasions. But Muslims are people just like all other people.
rozeboosje 4 years ago
Yes.
Mjhavok 4 years ago
I had a Turkish Muslim neighbor that I thought was a pretty good guy (except for his annoying habit of calling me Christian, even though I explained to him that I was an atheist dozens of times) until he attempted to rationalize Palestinians suicide bombing Israeli school children. Since then I have not believed in "moderate" Islam.
CadicusTheDamned 4 years ago
Read your statement, Cadicus. On the basis of being disappointed by one Muslim....?
rozeboosje 4 years ago
He is was the most moderate Muslim I had ever met.
I live in a college town, and there are quite a few graduate students of the Islamic persuasion here.
Perhaps there are moderate Muslims I haven't met, but the Koran has verses that speak against not taking it literally.
They need a Reformation or something, I think.
CadicusTheDamned 4 years ago
Yes, agreed.
rozeboosje 4 years ago
There are enough reformations in Islam But the Koran can never change and is infalable. You can not change the Koran like they did with the bible nor ar we going to do that. We are the ones who are Moslims but other people want to change what they don't know what a joke. take a look at bijbelenkoran. nl to compaire the Bible with The Koran
Ahmedo1984 4 years ago
Well, literally interpreting the Koran is foolishness.
A winged horse would not be able to fly, much less take you to Paradise.
No one outside of the Middle East and (later conquered) India mentions the moon being split asunder. India's history was probably rewritten to include the tale.
Either interpret those two things as metaphorical and admit that the Koran is not literal truth or be regarded as silly.
Those are your two options.
CadicusTheDamned 4 years ago
I really like that music. I like the message just as much. I do not know much about this, but your video makes sense.
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LinkTetraWW 4 years ago
Cheers, LinkTetraWW
rozeboosje 4 years ago
Groot gelijk :) *****
creationismisstupid 4 years ago
bedankt!
rozeboosje 4 years ago
Islam means putting youre desires on the side and doing what God expects you to do. You can believe in Islam and don't follow the rules that does not make you a Moslim. That makes you a admirer. We said this over and over again that Islam is against terrorism or deviding but until people respect us for who we are and respect our way of life it would be hypocrasy to expect any respect from us.
Ahmedo1984 4 years ago
"We said this over and over again that Islam is against terrorism or deviding but until people respect us for who we are and respect our way of life it would be hypocrasy to expect any respect from us."
"My respect is earned not given away, but I will give you my indifference for free" - Matticus Kole
I refuse to give people, who submit to the reign of terrorist groups, ANY respect. You want respect from us? Earn it by speaking out against the extremists.
J6a6so6n 4 years ago
I speak out to the injustice not to the extremist. I speak out to the terrorist wich is in my vieuw George Bush. I don't need youre respect but if you want to fight against my religion with 1.5 miljard Moslims I will be on the front line if you have a freedom of speach I will refuse to be on the background and be apologetic for someoneelses actions. You people first speak out against the terrorist Bush if then still something happens from our side we will speak against that.
Ahmedo1984 4 years ago
"I speak out to the injustice not to the extremist."
So you're saying, what the extremists are doing, isn't an "injustice"?
"I speak out to the terrorist wich is in my vieuw George Bush."
I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call Bush a "terrorist"... but he is damn close.
J6a6so6n 4 years ago
"I don't need youre respect but if you want to fight against my religion with 1.5 miljard Moslims I will be on the front line if you have a freedom of speach I will refuse to be on the background and be apologetic for someoneelses actions. "
Hrumph... I'm gonna guess English is not your first language? Most of that was illegible to me.
J6a6so6n 4 years ago
"You people first speak out against the terrorist Bush if then still something happens from our side we will speak against that."
When Bush went after Osama Bin Laden... I was cheering. However, when Bush went after Saddam Hussien, I was one of his more vocal critics (in my part of the US). The extremists from YOUR side were the one's who attacked first. Therefore... YOUR side is the one who must speak out first.
J6a6so6n 4 years ago
This is what you think. Maybe you don't know what is going on in the world in the last century. American Army Bases Are stated in almost every country in the world. British People took Half of Palastina wich was a Moslim country for 900 years and gave it to The Jews in 1945 after ww2 just to feel good about them selfs. Amerikans helpt Israel take more land from Syria,Libanon and The Palastinians in 1967
Ahmedo1984 4 years ago
By the Way he went after Osmama but chased the Taliban to the mountains and attacked them. No Osama Bin Laden. And what a cuinsadanse that the new President was already a friend of Bush before he Invaded Afganistan. Isn't it funny that 6 months before war a representatief of Taliban was in Amerika for talks about gaspipelines from Kazachistan true Afganistan for Amerikan conpanies. Bush has a lot of cuinsadances don't he?
Ahmedo1984 4 years ago
By the Way he went after Osmama but chased the Taliban to the mountains and attacked them. No Osama Bin Laden. And what a cuinsadanse that the new President was already a friend of Bush before he Invaded Afganistan. Isn't it funny that 6 months before war a representatief of Taliban was in Amerika for talks about gaspipelines from Kazachistan true Afganistan for Amerikan conpanies. Bush has a lot of cuinsadances don't he?
Ahmedo1984 4 years ago
By the Way he went after Osmama but chased the Taliban to the mountains and attacked them. No Osama Bin Laden. And what a cuinsadanse that the new President was already a friend of Bush before he Invaded Afganistan. Isn't it funny that 6 months before war a representatief of Taliban was in Amerika for talks about gaspipelines from Kazachistan true Afganistan for Amerikan conpanies. Bush has a lot of cuinsadances don't he?
Ahmedo1984 4 years ago
No English is not My first language nor my second it's my 4th Language. But i'm sure you got the point.
Ahmedo1984 4 years ago
Which extremists how many extremists attacked youre country? Only one group. How many death 3000. Spain attack 190 death. Britain 40 50 i dont know. total of lets say 3300. How many people did The Amerikan Terrorist Army kill? Around 2.000.000 in Irak and Afganistan. This is no terrorism no This is Genocide. And if you aren't agreeing with me is only because you put more value on Amerikan lifes than on Moslim Lifes.
Ahmedo1984 4 years ago
I will accept you for who you are and I will accept your way of life as your choice, for yourself. You will do the same in return. Respect, however, needs to be earned.
rozeboosje 4 years ago
5* faved.
hobgoblinsrhere 4 years ago
Thanks!
rozeboosje 4 years ago
Yes, Islam art is great.
We also should not forget that medieval Islam outperformed the christian world in science. Fundamentalism should not be the final word.
lovasip 4 years ago
Indeed. It never should be. In any walk of life.
rozeboosje 4 years ago
Wait, who ignores or attacks the good muslims?
I think the only obstacle for those who don't acknowledge decent muslims is the dearth of decent muslims.
rowsdowersavesus 4 years ago
They do take some teasing out, granted. But that's no excuse for pretending they don't exist. And maybe they're reluctant to speak out because their environment is not conducive to doing so. So it would take a lot more guts for them to speak out than it would for us. So maybe it's not that there are so few, but that they're scared. Certainly isn't right, of course.
rozeboosje 4 years ago
Agreed. People need to distinguish between believer and extremist.
People forget that Christianity was once like this, with the Crusades and witch-hunts. Condemning all Muslims forces them to choose between us or them, when instead we should be encouraging them.
Clutchology 4 years ago
Exactly, Clutchology. Thanks.
rozeboosje 4 years ago
At the heart of every great religion lie the same eternal truths, where things go awry is when people take ancient writings and pose them as an authoritative "word of god" when they are only actually inspired writings that contain wonderful moral lessons and virtuous allegories...but some feel the necessity to use these writings to build dogma, doctrine & creed to enslave minds ....Unknown
KasparHauser4 4 years ago
Very well said, KasparHauser4
rozeboosje 4 years ago
remember that muslims tend to lie about religious issues. they put a layer of moderation over their death-cult, but it might very well be that its all lies. arafat almost turned into some kind of art, getting the nobel price for peace while preaching jihad behind closed doors.
and even if the violence caused by islam would stop, then the religion would still be just as ridiculous as christianity.
kurtilein3 4 years ago
kurtilein3...I myself am an atheist. However I do not blindly campaign against religion. I have too many Christian friends that bare no resemblance to the Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell fundamentalist stereotype. This is why I can't accept to the Muslim stereotype that has been shoved down my throat by the western media.
patflix 4 years ago
Respectfully... Each time I read one of your comments or watch one of your videos I can't help but feel that you are as steeped in your own dogma as any of the groups you rail against.
patflix 4 years ago
then what are my dogmatic beliefs?
im fed up with the stupidity that the religious morons are spreading so proudly, thats all. no secret.
when it comes to religion, i want to see changes during my lifetime. so many people are suffering just because a bunch of ideas is spreading like a virus, causing all kinds of damage, from waste of resources to traumatized children and useless wars and terrorism.
kurtilein3 4 years ago
to kurtilein3: I'm just curious if you are applying the same standards about truth etc to other forms of propaganda. How about the deception in corporatism, advertising and government that is creating so much misery? Why focus only on religions?
Barklord 4 years ago
barklord: of course, other problems like biased media, conspiracy theories, new-age spirituality and the lack of understanding when it comes to science also need to be adressed. but the belief that faith is a virtue is at the core of the problem, and this belief is also at the core of all religions.
kurtilein3 4 years ago
When you speak of religious morons are you referring to the fundamental extemists or the group as a whole? This is a crucial distinction I've yet to hear you make. Again, you have all my respect. You're clearly very intelligent. I'd just like to hear you address this subject with a little more curiosity. I feel that your established, immovable point of view (your dogma) gets in the way of that. Just my opinion. I'm nobody.
patflix 4 years ago
patflix: well, at least the extremists recognize that all other religions are crap. i think moderates can more easily change their minds, and the belief that all religions have some kind of validity and deserve respect causes a lot of problems, and this belief is exclusive to moderates. the moderates also provide the pool of people where the extremists find their followers.
so, i am differentiating, and im going after the moderates ^^
kurtilein3 4 years ago
kurtilein3: It's clear that our world views differ from one another. Regardless...I appreciate your level of engagement and the time you take to respond. Thanks.
patflix 4 years ago
We don't difine them as crap but as not acceptabel to God because if there is a Creator it can only be one and if there is only one Creator there can only be one religion the religion of total submission to his will(Islam) and if you modarate this its is a partial submission and thus no Islam, no Islam no Moslim. But there can not be any compulsion in religion because if you force people to believe then where is the test? Where is de true conformation of God's power?
Ahmedo1984 4 years ago
ahmedo1984:
your comment makes a lot of sense, you are taking a quite rational and open-minded position.
but in my oppinion, islam really doesnt make any sense at all. its just like any other religion, just a bit more agressive.
kurtilein3 4 years ago
kurtilein3:
Is Islam more agressive than public relations campaigns that deliberately use deception to get what they want, even if the end result is addiction or war? Is Islam more dangerously mind-numbing than the opiates we call Tv or video games?
Barklord 4 years ago
barklord: islam is easier to tackle than the issues you mention.
there are many problems on our planet, i am not limiting myself to religion, but if you compare and analyze the problems, you will see that religion is easier to solve than most of the other problems. if you had 80% non-religious people in america, less people that are faithful, it will also be easier to deal with the other stuff.
kurtilein3 4 years ago
You can tackle a religion that is true but Islam is a way of live, an identity and 1.5 miljard people al over the world and groving. You can do whatever you want but you can not tackle Islam.
Ahmedo1984 4 years ago
This is youre opinion everybody has his opinion. I don't concidere it an opinion but a fact that Islam is the one and onely true religion. Someone else can have a difrent opinion. But there is more agression in the Bible than in The Koran but we are conciderd agressief because we fight for our rights and against the opressor of the world Amerika.
Ahmedo1984 4 years ago
To answer the question in the vid, because there are two types of Muslims: the evil and the corrupt. While the corrupt do include some innocents, they are still corrupt and therefore dangerous to themselves and others.
By corrupt, I am referring to their ideas from Islam in metaphysics, epistemology, ethics, and politics. The degree of this corruption varies between individuals as they compartmentalize Islam in their lives.
jwoodswce 4 years ago
cont...
To the extent, that an individual Muslim is a mixture of virtue and vice, I respect virtue but that corrupt part of them that is from Islam is 100% vice.
jwoodswce 4 years ago
Good video, but what the picture of a "water candle" around the middle of your video has to do with Islam?
Kuba022 4 years ago
It's from the world of Islam; the picture came from a Pakistani web site. I just thought it was pretty :-)
rozeboosje 4 years ago
The only reason anyone with an open mind might still adhere to Islam would be because of family or culture. I yelled at my computer screen when I saw a woman, feminist Muslim on a youtube vid argue for the inherent open-mindedness of the religion. "There are far more verses that relate this idea than there are those that don't." How utterly inane this statement is.
robshred66 4 years ago
Of course. The Quran is riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies, but how that lady manages to mould that into her own liberal feminist outlook on life is her problem, isn't it? Why would you need to worry about that? She's taking steps in the right direction, and all I'm saying is that we need to encourage her while she does that.
rozeboosje 4 years ago
Glad to hear a voice of reason :)
naphra2 4 years ago
Glad to see people taking notice, naphra2!
rozeboosje 4 years ago
this is step in the right direction
eternalundylnglove 4 years ago
*a*
eternalundylnglove 4 years ago
Thanks, EUL.
rozeboosje 4 years ago
High 5!
Barklord 4 years ago
Thanks Jim
rozeboosje 4 years ago
Goodness I know what you mean about Muslim states. An Iranian friend of mine was Zoroastrian but legally he wasn't 'allowed' to be anything but 'Muslim'. And don't even get me started on the hypocrisy of Saudi Arabia, and Britain's own hypocrisy with the King of SA's recent visit.
kunstinflammen 4 years ago
It'll take a lot of Muslim countries several generations before they become moderate and what with the majority of them being developing countries they have added problems on top of some of the harsher regimes.
kunstinflammen 4 years ago
Exactly, and we must not stay silent about that. That's why encouriging Muslims looking to effect positive changes in such places is so important.
rozeboosje 4 years ago
Nice one again Rozey.:) And I'm glad to see some Sufis in there, they are something else altogether.
Never think you are better than others
Listen to their sorrows with compassion
If you want peace don't harbour bad thoughts
Do not gossip and
Don't teach what you do not know
Rumi (Sufi)
Loreleila 4 years ago
Yup. I deliberately chose a number of images from Sufism, which is a totally pacifistic variation of Islam.
rozeboosje 4 years ago
I have always been interested in Sufism. Do you know of any good sources to learn more about it?
Jainism is also totally pacifistic. Ghandi based much of his philosophy of non-violence on its tenets.
CadicusTheDamned 4 years ago
I really enjoyed "Essential Sufism" by Huston Smith. It's basically a collection of proverbs, quotes and stories in relation to Sufi beliefs. Very good read. My copy is dog eared and highlighted to a point where it's almost un-readable.
LMartella 4 years ago
I haven't heard of this book. Thank you, I'll seek it out. :)
Loreleila 4 years ago
Rumi is the most well known and wonderful teachers of Sufism. His poetry is powerful and insightful. It won't let me post a link here, but if you Google him you'll find millions of references.
Loreleila 4 years ago
this is getting tiresome people. at this point the biggest threat to our lives are our own institutions.
you've all been duped.
suckers.
YourSuperiorSays 4 years ago
I have no idea what relevance that statement might have on what I'm saying in this video
rozeboosje 4 years ago