@Heavenfirst Again thank you Claire. I will add that this departing from the faith and giving heed to seducing spirits is talking about the lasts days of the church age, the dispensation of grace and is not talking about the same last days Peter spoke of in Acts 2 where he cites Joel. Those last days are the last days of the prophetic program which had started as Peter says until God interrupted it and ushered in the present dispensation. We must make the distinction here on last days :)
End Times Research MinistryproofofLastdays's Channel and Hearken The WatchmenHearkenTheWatchmen's 2 very good channels to check out, Mike Hoggard is an awesome preacher, I consider his church mine
Romans 15:18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,
Paul certainly talked about the last days, of the dispensation of the grace of God. He did that in 2 Timothy 3 for instance, where he addressed the pattern of society in the last days, of the age of grace....nothing about prophecies, applying to prophetic program associated with the nation Israel, being fulfilled!
Amen, brother. Our Apostle; Paul never said signs like earthquakes, dreams, prophecies etc. would be a part of the last days of the age of Grace! If we believe that the dispensation of the grace of God is a mystery (a secret, parenthetical), not revealed to anyone other than the Apostle of the gentiles; Paul, we need to listen what he said. Paul is very clear on that! We can't use scriptures which applies to the nation Israel and try to explain what was revealed unto the Apostle Paul.
@ROMANSthruPHILEMON Thank you my dear friend for all your comments to mousey1952. They are clear and concise and I agree with all you said. In our age prophetic signs are not given but trends are as you pointed out in 2 Tim 3:1-5 :) If only the church as a whole could wrap their arms around this evident truth and rejoice in it. But some would rather walk by sight (signs) than by faith and in so doing miss out on the meatier things given to us as members f the BOC. In Christ - John
God is not going to Rapture the Church and then start building the events for the tribulation..just because we are in the age of Grace does not mean prophecy is not being fulfilled, while I realize God is not pouring out wrath now, that does not mean He is not fulfilling prophecy or limiting Him from chastizing nations, grace is based on individual salvation, so I would say that would not be talking about God's dealing with nations
@mousey1952 Thank you for your comment :) I have to kindly disagree with for the next thing to come in God's prophetic program is the 7 year tribulation and that has not come and will not come until the church, the Body of Christ is snatched out of here to be with Christ in the air. Then God will turn His attention back to Israel and the nations. Can you explain why Joel's prophecy has not yet been fulfilled when Peter said it had started? Either Peter was wrong or God closed the program.
@bibledoctrine there was also a period in acts when grace and the kingdom operated simultanious, at the same time, which is the case here, since 1948 when Israel was brought back to their land, God is transitioning, I agree He will rapture the church before the tribulation, but He is transitioning up to the point where He will rapture the Church, prophecy is being fulfilled in the alignment of the nations, that is very obvious. I am a dispensationalist, but not a hyper despensationalist
@mousey1952 the grace and kingdom program never operated simultaneous. Stephen, the fruit inspector, was stoned in Acts 7. The 1-year extension of mercy (1 year after pentecost) to Israel (the Parable of the fig tree; Luke 13) had run out when Saul/Paul was saved on the road to Damascus, in Acts 9. Paul and everyone after him was a body of Christ saint. God was dealing differently with men, and Peter was witnessed to see it when God told him to go to Cornelius, a gentile, in Acts 10.
@ROMANSthruPHILEMON yes indeed it did operate at the same time in acts, Revelation completed the cannon of scripture which was written well after Paul started preaching grace to the gentiles, God has not hidden for 2000 years, He is still well incontrol of the things in this world, always has been,
@mousey1952 Paul always went to unbelieving jews first (NOT kingdom saints), in each area he visited. He never went against the jewish conscience; he never preached contrary to the Law and the Jewish customs. Signs validated his ministry (the jews required a sign).
1 Corinthians 7:20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
Feel free to check out the playlist "Understanding the book of Acts (#116-#119) [Curt Crist]" on my channel, for more info :)
@ROMANSthruPHILEMON I disagree. Paul's whole ministry of God's grace through the finished work of Christ was against the Jewish consciousness, against the law (ministry of death) and against their customs: circumcision, the sabbath, dietary rules and touch not, taste not, handle not.
We all need to be Bereans and search out the Truth through His Word and not rely on the doctrines of men.
@OrthElCid Please don't jump to conclusions...read the context; I was talking Paul's dealing with unbelieving jews or proselytes to judaism. God gave Paul a completely new doctrine (the revelation of the mystery), incl. a new Gospel called the Gospel of the grace of God about the accomplishments of the cross work of Jesus Christ, for a new time; the dispensation of the grace of God....
@OrthElCid Paul himself honored the feast days, being Jewish, during this period of time. God would allow no one to reject Paul’s message of grace, based on Paul’s life. They couldn’t look at Paul and accuse him of being a lawbreaker and Paul would indeed have to stand before kings, at the end of his ministry, and he would be accused of teaching the Jews, who were among the Gentiles, to forsake the law of Moses, but Paul couldn't be blamed for something he didn't do (Acts 28 for instance)
@ROMANSthruPHILEMON "Paul himself honored the feast days, being Jewish, during this period of time." Talking about the Acts period and the epistles written during that Acts period: Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians.
@ROMANSthruPHILEMON Let every man abide in the same calling , that is right as far as individuals are concerned and God's dealings with the church separate from Israel, but that is not what we are talking about, we are talking about signs anof the end, and prophecies being fulfilled, God is dealing with nations on national level, and God's Words about dealing with nations are still valid, salvation is personal and on an individual level, in Daniel God said that the wise would understand,
Enjoyed your new videos, bro John. Hope you had a blessed Resurrection Day!
JimQualls 10 months ago
@JimQualls Thank you Jim and yes I did :)
bibledoctrine 10 months ago
@Heavenfirst Again thank you Claire. I will add that this departing from the faith and giving heed to seducing spirits is talking about the lasts days of the church age, the dispensation of grace and is not talking about the same last days Peter spoke of in Acts 2 where he cites Joel. Those last days are the last days of the prophetic program which had started as Peter says until God interrupted it and ushered in the present dispensation. We must make the distinction here on last days :)
bibledoctrine 11 months ago
End Times Research MinistryproofofLastdays's Channel and Hearken The WatchmenHearkenTheWatchmen's 2 very good channels to check out, Mike Hoggard is an awesome preacher, I consider his church mine
mousey1952 11 months ago
Solid, biblical understanding of the word for the believer, the body of Christ today.
Terry8150 11 months ago
prophetic passages in the mystery program are minimal. It deals with false teachers and apostate christians
read 2 tim 3 .
And I sure there is some overlap with Israel in the land, but I am sure that is a prestaged .
Also these recent earthquakes and problems are nothing compared to the tribulation.
Zoomerange 11 months ago
2 Timothy 3:1-5
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
ROMANSthruPHILEMON 11 months ago
Romans 15:18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,
Paul certainly talked about the last days, of the dispensation of the grace of God. He did that in 2 Timothy 3 for instance, where he addressed the pattern of society in the last days, of the age of grace....nothing about prophecies, applying to prophetic program associated with the nation Israel, being fulfilled!
ROMANSthruPHILEMON 11 months ago
Amen, brother. Our Apostle; Paul never said signs like earthquakes, dreams, prophecies etc. would be a part of the last days of the age of Grace! If we believe that the dispensation of the grace of God is a mystery (a secret, parenthetical), not revealed to anyone other than the Apostle of the gentiles; Paul, we need to listen what he said. Paul is very clear on that! We can't use scriptures which applies to the nation Israel and try to explain what was revealed unto the Apostle Paul.
ROMANSthruPHILEMON 11 months ago 3
@ROMANSthruPHILEMON Thank you my dear friend for all your comments to mousey1952. They are clear and concise and I agree with all you said. In our age prophetic signs are not given but trends are as you pointed out in 2 Tim 3:1-5 :) If only the church as a whole could wrap their arms around this evident truth and rejoice in it. But some would rather walk by sight (signs) than by faith and in so doing miss out on the meatier things given to us as members f the BOC. In Christ - John
bibledoctrine 11 months ago
God is not going to Rapture the Church and then start building the events for the tribulation..just because we are in the age of Grace does not mean prophecy is not being fulfilled, while I realize God is not pouring out wrath now, that does not mean He is not fulfilling prophecy or limiting Him from chastizing nations, grace is based on individual salvation, so I would say that would not be talking about God's dealing with nations
mousey1952 11 months ago
@mousey1952 Thank you for your comment :) I have to kindly disagree with for the next thing to come in God's prophetic program is the 7 year tribulation and that has not come and will not come until the church, the Body of Christ is snatched out of here to be with Christ in the air. Then God will turn His attention back to Israel and the nations. Can you explain why Joel's prophecy has not yet been fulfilled when Peter said it had started? Either Peter was wrong or God closed the program.
bibledoctrine 11 months ago
@bibledoctrine there was also a period in acts when grace and the kingdom operated simultanious, at the same time, which is the case here, since 1948 when Israel was brought back to their land, God is transitioning, I agree He will rapture the church before the tribulation, but He is transitioning up to the point where He will rapture the Church, prophecy is being fulfilled in the alignment of the nations, that is very obvious. I am a dispensationalist, but not a hyper despensationalist
mousey1952 11 months ago
@mousey1952 the grace and kingdom program never operated simultaneous. Stephen, the fruit inspector, was stoned in Acts 7. The 1-year extension of mercy (1 year after pentecost) to Israel (the Parable of the fig tree; Luke 13) had run out when Saul/Paul was saved on the road to Damascus, in Acts 9. Paul and everyone after him was a body of Christ saint. God was dealing differently with men, and Peter was witnessed to see it when God told him to go to Cornelius, a gentile, in Acts 10.
ROMANSthruPHILEMON 11 months ago
@ROMANSthruPHILEMON yes indeed it did operate at the same time in acts, Revelation completed the cannon of scripture which was written well after Paul started preaching grace to the gentiles, God has not hidden for 2000 years, He is still well incontrol of the things in this world, always has been,
mousey1952 11 months ago
@mousey1952 Paul always went to unbelieving jews first (NOT kingdom saints), in each area he visited. He never went against the jewish conscience; he never preached contrary to the Law and the Jewish customs. Signs validated his ministry (the jews required a sign).
1 Corinthians 7:20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
Feel free to check out the playlist "Understanding the book of Acts (#116-#119) [Curt Crist]" on my channel, for more info :)
ROMANSthruPHILEMON 11 months ago
@ROMANSthruPHILEMON I disagree. Paul's whole ministry of God's grace through the finished work of Christ was against the Jewish consciousness, against the law (ministry of death) and against their customs: circumcision, the sabbath, dietary rules and touch not, taste not, handle not.
We all need to be Bereans and search out the Truth through His Word and not rely on the doctrines of men.
"It is finished."
OrthElCid 11 months ago
@OrthElCid Please don't jump to conclusions...read the context; I was talking Paul's dealing with unbelieving jews or proselytes to judaism. God gave Paul a completely new doctrine (the revelation of the mystery), incl. a new Gospel called the Gospel of the grace of God about the accomplishments of the cross work of Jesus Christ, for a new time; the dispensation of the grace of God....
ROMANSthruPHILEMON 11 months ago
@OrthElCid Paul himself honored the feast days, being Jewish, during this period of time. God would allow no one to reject Paul’s message of grace, based on Paul’s life. They couldn’t look at Paul and accuse him of being a lawbreaker and Paul would indeed have to stand before kings, at the end of his ministry, and he would be accused of teaching the Jews, who were among the Gentiles, to forsake the law of Moses, but Paul couldn't be blamed for something he didn't do (Acts 28 for instance)
ROMANSthruPHILEMON 11 months ago
@ROMANSthruPHILEMON "Paul himself honored the feast days, being Jewish, during this period of time." Talking about the Acts period and the epistles written during that Acts period: Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians.
ROMANSthruPHILEMON 11 months ago
@ROMANSthruPHILEMON Let every man abide in the same calling , that is right as far as individuals are concerned and God's dealings with the church separate from Israel, but that is not what we are talking about, we are talking about signs anof the end, and prophecies being fulfilled, God is dealing with nations on national level, and God's Words about dealing with nations are still valid, salvation is personal and on an individual level, in Daniel God said that the wise would understand,
mousey1952 11 months ago
@mousey1952 It is wondrous and amazing how everything is lining up for the great event called the harpazo/rapture/caught up/catching away
MARANATHA!!!.
OrthElCid 11 months ago