Very interesting, thanks. I have a Leaf now for a month and love it. I had a 7kw solar array at home already, so for me the source is clearly non-polluting. As for charging, most will be surprised that I continue to only use the 110v charger included with the car and simply plug into my house. I charge it overnight just like a cell phone. I leased the car for 36 months because I feel the future versions will certainly have more range. But I have no range anxiety at all. I never drive more than
So I don't quite understand this. The car has a built-in web client that leaks information to whatever server it talks to? Does it talk directly to servers or via Nissan? Can it be disabled if I don't care to use it? What does it use for its data service?
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i was thinking of buying a electric car because im moving to san bernardino county and going to be driving down to glendale to work is that a good idea or just waste on train ride?
@jstack6 With the exception of a hydroelectric plant during a big flood, utilities never "dump" unneeded power, they simply don't generate it. The plants with the cheapest fuels (e.g., nuclear) generally run at 100% 24/7 and the most expensive gas turbines are fired up only during peak periods. The grid takes whatever wind and solar is available, but in most places they're a small fraction of total generation.
the range is really about 138 miles on a full 100% charge, we use 80% so the battery will last much longer than the warranty of 8 years 100K miles.
When you charge Off Peak you use excess electric that many times gets dumped by utiltities, they sell at low Of Peak rates because they have no way to store the power. So you get low cost power, you prevent waste and drive with no OIL . It's also in a 90%+ efficent car instead of a 20% or less efficient gas car
the range is really about 138 miles on a full 100% charge, we use 80% so the battery will last much longer than the warranty of 8 years 100K miles.
When you charege Off Peak you use excess electric that many times gets dumped by utiltities, they sell at low Of Peak rates because they have no way to store the power. So you get low cost power, you prevent waste and drive with no OIL . It's also in a 90%+ efficent car instead of a 20% or less efficient gas car
@jstack6 First, in most of the country there is a set rate, the highest rate the government allows for a utility to charge for power. "Off Peak" pricing only applies to a few states. Your 138 miles per charge is inflated. Most of the country does not allow you to drive on a flat road, with no other traffic, with an air temp of no higher than 68 degrees, no climate control, and no faster or slower than 35 MPH. In the real world, you see closer to 65-70 miles.
@frosted1030 Residential TOU rates are available here in California, and utilities are pushing to make them widely available because nothing works better to reduce demand on hot days than jacking up the current price. Supply and demand at work. The flip side is that overnight rates are low, the cost per mile is far less than gasoline, and you have the satisfaction of knowing that your money isn't going to medieval places like Saudi Arabia and Iran.
@jstack6 The utilities don't actually "dump" excess power at night. It's just that the most expensive power plants are all shut down, leaving those that either burn cheap fuel (e.g., nuclear) or no fuel at all (wind, geo). So night rates are low.
Hydro is a special case; although water is "free" in the sense the plant doesn't have to buy it, the supply can vary from year to year. In a wet year a hydro plant may run at 100% 24 hours/day, while in a dry year it may only run at peak times.
With a range of 100 miles (real world tests show it's actually more like 65-70) , the Nissan Leaf is perfect for the wealthy people who don't have far to go and have 20 hours to charge the damn thing, or 7 hours for a "quick charge". Seriously, this is a dud. Don't buy.
@frosted1030 Charging time is 4-5 hours at home and a quick charge is 20 minutes, but thats at a dead battery. You almost never charge from dead in practice and plug in when you are not using it. Works great for my 80 mile commute with charge left over. Yeah, NW is mainly hydro, other areas have natural gas, nuclear and coal in their power mix..but these are domestic energy supplies. But even coal plants have higher efficiency than your gas engine, coal harvested by hard working americans.
@roadragecafe For the record, do you own a Leaf? Also, what if you need to drive to Florida for a spur of the moment vacation, or let's say you don't have 20 minutes, what if you have 5 and you just remembered that you left something important at work?
@frosted1030 My LEAF is in the video. I have had it for 3 weeks, and driven my gas car 0 miles. I went to move my gas car the other day and the battery was dead, jumped it with the LEAF. I live in Seattle, so i am sure as hell not driving to Florida..but i have a gas car for those hypothetical road trips (i usually fly). I am sure anyone could come up with some incredibly ridiculous what-if's to where this first run EV is not appropriate, but in my real life exp, there have been none so far.
Omg thank you that is so interesting! You love phone scoop too haha! I love that site. =) Thank you so much for this cool video about the nissan Leaf features! That cool sounding text to speech reader is standard in the Leaf or a download?
HAHAHA oh god.. that was funny.. and the Leaf.. what a strange concept, shift from oil to coal and it's somehow cleaner, costs about the same but takes forever to refuel, until they fix those issues, it will never sell.
@roadragecafe Very good, now if you can get the rest of the 99.99% of the US to switch over.... maybe it will have a chance, of course provided that the 12 hour charging cycle can be shortened to under 3 minutes.. As it stands now, it takes too long to refuel and you can forget about taking the Leaf on a road trip.
@roadragecafe Thumbs up! I like how frosted1030 hasn't responded since. They are quick to respond with typical "HAHA from oil to coal... DONT BUY THIS CAR its not cleaner" BS. But when you correct them and explain how certain areas use nearly 100% renewables (hyrdo in the NW, solar/wind in other areas) they are no where to be seen. Maybe you've made a believer... I can hope, but I seriously doubt it. Regardless, nice LEAF and nice video.
@frosted1030 Yes, even when you charge an EV from a coal powerplant you're still well ahead of a gasoline-burning car. Large power plants are much more efficient than car engines, and the power grid is about 95% efficient. Even a coal plant is vastly cleaner in terms of emissions like SO2, NOx, etc.
Hardly any US electricity is generated from oil. It's almost all domestic. And hydro, nuclear, wind and solar are CO2-free.
Very interesting, thanks. I have a Leaf now for a month and love it. I had a 7kw solar array at home already, so for me the source is clearly non-polluting. As for charging, most will be surprised that I continue to only use the 110v charger included with the car and simply plug into my house. I charge it overnight just like a cell phone. I leased the car for 36 months because I feel the future versions will certainly have more range. But I have no range anxiety at all. I never drive more than
kbkesq 7 months ago
So I don't quite understand this. The car has a built-in web client that leaks information to whatever server it talks to? Does it talk directly to servers or via Nissan? Can it be disabled if I don't care to use it? What does it use for its data service?
ApolloWasReal 8 months ago
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72669man 8 months ago
i was thinking of buying a electric car because im moving to san bernardino county and going to be driving down to glendale to work is that a good idea or just waste on train ride?
S69NER 9 months ago
using Off Peak electric prevents pollution since much of it gets dumped at night. Utilties can't store it or ramp down power.
jstack6 9 months ago
@jstack6 With the exception of a hydroelectric plant during a big flood, utilities never "dump" unneeded power, they simply don't generate it. The plants with the cheapest fuels (e.g., nuclear) generally run at 100% 24/7 and the most expensive gas turbines are fired up only during peak periods. The grid takes whatever wind and solar is available, but in most places they're a small fraction of total generation.
ApolloWasReal 8 months ago
it has a 140 mile range on a full charge if you drive like you care.
jstack6 9 months ago
the range is really about 138 miles on a full 100% charge, we use 80% so the battery will last much longer than the warranty of 8 years 100K miles.
When you charge Off Peak you use excess electric that many times gets dumped by utiltities, they sell at low Of Peak rates because they have no way to store the power. So you get low cost power, you prevent waste and drive with no OIL . It's also in a 90%+ efficent car instead of a 20% or less efficient gas car
jstack6 9 months ago
the range is really about 138 miles on a full 100% charge, we use 80% so the battery will last much longer than the warranty of 8 years 100K miles.
When you charege Off Peak you use excess electric that many times gets dumped by utiltities, they sell at low Of Peak rates because they have no way to store the power. So you get low cost power, you prevent waste and drive with no OIL . It's also in a 90%+ efficent car instead of a 20% or less efficient gas car
jstack6 9 months ago
@jstack6 First, in most of the country there is a set rate, the highest rate the government allows for a utility to charge for power. "Off Peak" pricing only applies to a few states. Your 138 miles per charge is inflated. Most of the country does not allow you to drive on a flat road, with no other traffic, with an air temp of no higher than 68 degrees, no climate control, and no faster or slower than 35 MPH. In the real world, you see closer to 65-70 miles.
frosted1030 9 months ago
@frosted1030 Residential TOU rates are available here in California, and utilities are pushing to make them widely available because nothing works better to reduce demand on hot days than jacking up the current price. Supply and demand at work. The flip side is that overnight rates are low, the cost per mile is far less than gasoline, and you have the satisfaction of knowing that your money isn't going to medieval places like Saudi Arabia and Iran.
ApolloWasReal 8 months ago
@jstack6 The utilities don't actually "dump" excess power at night. It's just that the most expensive power plants are all shut down, leaving those that either burn cheap fuel (e.g., nuclear) or no fuel at all (wind, geo). So night rates are low.
Hydro is a special case; although water is "free" in the sense the plant doesn't have to buy it, the supply can vary from year to year. In a wet year a hydro plant may run at 100% 24 hours/day, while in a dry year it may only run at peak times.
ApolloWasReal 8 months ago
With a range of 100 miles (real world tests show it's actually more like 65-70) , the Nissan Leaf is perfect for the wealthy people who don't have far to go and have 20 hours to charge the damn thing, or 7 hours for a "quick charge". Seriously, this is a dud. Don't buy.
frosted1030 9 months ago
@frosted1030 Charging time is 4-5 hours at home and a quick charge is 20 minutes, but thats at a dead battery. You almost never charge from dead in practice and plug in when you are not using it. Works great for my 80 mile commute with charge left over. Yeah, NW is mainly hydro, other areas have natural gas, nuclear and coal in their power mix..but these are domestic energy supplies. But even coal plants have higher efficiency than your gas engine, coal harvested by hard working americans.
roadragecafe 9 months ago 2
@roadragecafe For the record, do you own a Leaf? Also, what if you need to drive to Florida for a spur of the moment vacation, or let's say you don't have 20 minutes, what if you have 5 and you just remembered that you left something important at work?
frosted1030 9 months ago
@frosted1030 My LEAF is in the video. I have had it for 3 weeks, and driven my gas car 0 miles. I went to move my gas car the other day and the battery was dead, jumped it with the LEAF. I live in Seattle, so i am sure as hell not driving to Florida..but i have a gas car for those hypothetical road trips (i usually fly). I am sure anyone could come up with some incredibly ridiculous what-if's to where this first run EV is not appropriate, but in my real life exp, there have been none so far.
roadragecafe 9 months ago
Omg thank you that is so interesting! You love phone scoop too haha! I love that site. =) Thank you so much for this cool video about the nissan Leaf features! That cool sounding text to speech reader is standard in the Leaf or a download?
Jammin4uo 9 months ago
HAHAHA oh god.. that was funny.. and the Leaf.. what a strange concept, shift from oil to coal and it's somehow cleaner, costs about the same but takes forever to refuel, until they fix those issues, it will never sell.
frosted1030 9 months ago
@frosted1030 We are practically 100% hydro in the area, and less than $2 for a full charge.
roadragecafe 9 months ago
@roadragecafe Very good, now if you can get the rest of the 99.99% of the US to switch over.... maybe it will have a chance, of course provided that the 12 hour charging cycle can be shortened to under 3 minutes.. As it stands now, it takes too long to refuel and you can forget about taking the Leaf on a road trip.
frosted1030 9 months ago
@roadragecafe Thumbs up! I like how frosted1030 hasn't responded since. They are quick to respond with typical "HAHA from oil to coal... DONT BUY THIS CAR its not cleaner" BS. But when you correct them and explain how certain areas use nearly 100% renewables (hyrdo in the NW, solar/wind in other areas) they are no where to be seen. Maybe you've made a believer... I can hope, but I seriously doubt it. Regardless, nice LEAF and nice video.
blaaadestorm 8 months ago
@frosted1030 Yes, even when you charge an EV from a coal powerplant you're still well ahead of a gasoline-burning car. Large power plants are much more efficient than car engines, and the power grid is about 95% efficient. Even a coal plant is vastly cleaner in terms of emissions like SO2, NOx, etc.
Hardly any US electricity is generated from oil. It's almost all domestic. And hydro, nuclear, wind and solar are CO2-free.
ApolloWasReal 8 months ago
damn .... some nice work here
TomaCukor 9 months ago