I didn't know that was the full title of our dearest and most precious national document. Who would have thought that Adams and Jefferson were twelve year old chimpanzees besides you? Your mother should have smacked you as a child more whenever you spoke of our country in those terms.
Where was East Tennessee's right to secede from Tennessee? What libertarian could endorse Confederate laws that made it a crime for people to emancipate their slaves, let alone for slaves to declare themselves free because they weren't under a legitimate contract? This is why the Woodian Vanderbilt wasn't pro-Confederacy.
Of course portions of states have a right to secede from the whole! It's the basic principle of private property. East Tennessee's property, that is land and machinery, was privately owned and the property owners were free to do as they wished. Now, if one state secedes from another state, they also can be kicked out of the Union, but the Union approved East Tennessee's desire to remain. So that really makes the Confederacy the invader.
You stupid moron, private title to real property does NOT transcend the claim of a sovereign state! NOTHING does!!!
So you're saying London has the right to secede from England, or Paris from France?
And no, a state CAN'T be kicked out of the Union by other states, that's not in the Constitution. However a sovereign state can SECEDE at will-- again, NOTHING surpasses it.
You are just too stupid for words... try getting a clue before you lecture a legal scholar.
States are only sovereign over matters within their state. When a former part of that state secedes, it is no longer part of its former state. So obviously, the Confederate state of Tennessee wasn't sovereign over the Union state of Tennessee in its eastern parts simply because it was no longer the same state. If the Confederacy had a grain of consistency, this would have been its reasoning.
Shut your asshole, moron, you don't know sovereignty from reserved powers.
Sovereignty is ABSOLUTE, and is dictated by the PEOPLE of the state acting to OVERRULE state and/or federal government, since ALL sovereignty originates with the people of the STATE.
So just STFU, you're so full of shit that you're stinking up the room. Go flatulate your ignorance elsewhere.
"Sovereignty is ABSOLUTE, and is dictated by the PEOPLE of the state acting to OVERRULE state and/or federal government, since ALL sovereignty originates with the people of the STATE."
Yes, and when the people of East Tennessee dictated their secession from Tennessee, they're independent.
You seem to think that the people of East Tennessee didn't have a right to secede because the people of central and west TN. didn't want them to leave their state. You justify this by claiming that if a majority vote in a region constitutes "The People," who ascribe sovereignty. This philosophy is known as collectivism, which violates our right to private property. If you want to go be collectivist, leave the US and go to North Korea. You people have contaminated the US enough.
No, I KNOW they didn't have the right to secede because Tennessee is a SOVEREIGN STATE, and so it would be like the people of London wanting to secede from the UK and take the city with them, Buckingham Palace and all.
It's hard to believe that even you could be that dense... but you seem to be proving it against all doubt.
The states were not founded as "regions," they were SOVEREIGN NATIONS unto themselves. Read the fucking Declaration of Independence.
Read the "Declaration of Grievances" of East Tennessee against secession from the Union. Read the "Scott County Resolution" that established Scott as an independent state with intentions of joining the Union. The Confederates invaded this sovereign nation so they deserved a whooping 100 times bigger than they gave their slaves. If we had given the Confederates a bigger whooping, we wouldn't have all the anti-manufacturing sentiment that plagues our country today.
P.S. You can't even read: I said "Sovereignty is ABSOLUTE, and is dictated by the PEOPLE of the state acting to OVERRULE state and/or federal government, since ALL sovereignty originates with the people of the STATE."
When did you decide that Tennessee was not a STATE? The people = the MAJORITY, every jerk-moron like you can't just grab his own piece of it and start his own fucking country, moron.
I hate liars, morons and assholes,, so you're the unholy trinity.
"When did you decide that Tennessee was not a STATE?"
I did not decide this, the sovereign people decided it. There were two Tennessees from 1861-1867. One of them was in the Union, but under an illegal Confederate occupation until 1864, and the other one was assisting that brutal occupation until 1864.
"The people = the MAJORITY"
Again, that's called collectivism. Even under your criteria, the majority of East Tennessee wanted out. They were sovereign.
What you're still here? I TOLD you to stick a cork in your ass-- either you didn't listen, or you didn't do it right because you're STILL talking out of it and stinking up the room with your ignorance.
Geez you can't do anything right; if you heard a referee was blowing fouls you'd jump onto the basketball-court with a chicken-suit.
Well, you guys didn't listen in 1861 and got a mild whooping. If you don't listen again to the productive people of our country, you're going to get an even bigger whooping.
Scott was an independent country and whooped your asses eventually when you invaded it. You should be grateful the Union was so kind after the war.
Sovereignty is decided at the point of a gun when a civilized people are fighting brutal animals. The industrial North was civilized and the agrarian Confederacy had fallen victim to an unfortunate mental illness which made them force agrarianism on anyone they could. The good people of Scott decided that they had to protect their country from these lunatics and drive these degenerate beasts off their land.
Really? So if someone goes to Jamaica flying the Confederate Battle Flag, they would be well received by the local black population? Is that what you're telling me? Honestly, I dare you to post of video of yourself and verify that you're a black woman from Jamaica who is also a Neo-Confederate.
The right to secede private property from a country when not dependent on that country is implied in the very word 'private'.
Uh-huh.... and which sovereign states RECOGNIZED its sovereignty?
Of course you realize that a sovereign state must be reognized by 2 or more EXISTING sovereign states, in order to be legitimate, under international law?
Because otherwise you're just blowing smoke out your ass, and have no idea what you're talking about-- and of course only an insolent fool would do that.
Oh wait, you ARE an insolent fool who makes up facts as freely as he farts... which is quite a bit of gas.
"Uh-huh.... and which sovereign states RECOGNIZED its sovereignty? Of course you realize that a sovereign state must be reognized by 2 or more EXISTING sovereign states, in order to be legitimate, under international law?"
Since Scott didn't recognize international law, it wasn't binding on them. Also, Scott was recognized by the free state of Jones and the free state of Winston during the Civil War. The US recognized Scott as the legitimate government of TN during the war.
"The people = the MAJORITY, every jerk-moron like you can't just grab his own piece of it and start his own fucking country, moron."
Yes, we can grab a piece of land or sea that is not owned by a recognized body and start a country. This is called homesteading. You don't understand it because you're a collectivist/socialist, but this is how a free country works. If you don't like it, go to North Korea or China and see the end culmination of collectivism.
What about the Confederacy? The Confederacy was not a confederacy, did not believe in liberty, and promoted a Luciferian agenda; Albert Pike was openly a Devil worshiper. Jefferson David, a closet Catholic, believed in America's Bill of Rights was heretical. In 1836, advocating abolitionism was declared a felony in the state of Virginia. It was a crime in the Confederacy for slaves to read the Bible; clearly the Confederacy was godless just like Federal Vision.
Catholics consider themselves Christian. Plenty of others also advocated slavery. The bible has a rule for how you can beat slaves. So it's pretty hard to say the Confederacy was godless based simply on your post. Furthermore, some Northerners were not against slavery, and not all the ones that were against it were against it for issues of rights. Your "godless" claim can be applied to any society ever.
Catholics considered the Bill of Rights heretical. Also, the Bible demands that slaves be aloud to read it and clearly condemns slavery in the Epistle to Philemon! I'm not defending the Union or Lincoln, DiLorenzo does enough of that. I'm merely pointing out the pseudo-faith that founded the Confederacy.
Yeah too bad biblical law didn't transcend state statute UNTIL Lincoln's law... then the Supreme Court began asserting the 9th Amendment as securing Common Law above state statutes, as in Roe v. Wade when they claimed that abortion should be legal under the 9th Amendment since they claimed there were no criminal statutes against it prior to the Constitution.
Thank Lincoln for that-- in reality, the 9th Amendment transcends only FEDERAL law.
Not only that, virtually ALL nations permitted slavery in 1776; and a man's slaves, wife and children were ALL conisdered his PROPERTY under the law; and he could beat or even KILL them if they disobeyed him.
EVERYWHERE.
In fact, in common-law American districts, it's STILL legal for a man to RAPE his wife-- TODAY.
The hand-wringers over slavery are just stupid hypocrites and moronic sheep brainwashed by federal-government sponsored propaganda, censors and emotional blackmail.
In the words of William Pitt, "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
" Read the fucking Declaration of Independence."
I didn't know that was the full title of our dearest and most precious national document. Who would have thought that Adams and Jefferson were twelve year old chimpanzees besides you? Your mother should have smacked you as a child more whenever you spoke of our country in those terms.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
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@TheFlanker35
"I didn't know that was the full title of our dearest and most precious national document."
Good call: it ISN'T a national document. What part of "free and independent STATES" do you NOT understand?
The final "S" that denotes a PLURAL, since you think it declares A NATION, singular.
Go back to first grade, assuming you ever got PASSED it; you must have been sick that year they covered the concept of "more than 1 of something."
Your mom musta FUCKED chimps. .
postalmeter 7 months ago
WhAT the FUCK? Andrew Jackson was a GREAT MAN? Sense of HONOR?
What the FUCK is this idiot Harman babbling about? Jackson was the one who fiirst DESTROYED state sovereignty!
Lincolhn just followed his lead!
What an IDIOT!
postalmeter 7 months ago
Dilorenzo isn't a historian, he's an economist.
postalmeter 7 months ago
Dr. DiLorenzo,
Where was East Tennessee's right to secede from Tennessee? What libertarian could endorse Confederate laws that made it a crime for people to emancipate their slaves, let alone for slaves to declare themselves free because they weren't under a legitimate contract? This is why the Woodian Vanderbilt wasn't pro-Confederacy.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
@TheFlanker35
Portions of states don't have a right to secede from the whole. State sovereignty is supreme, just like any sovereign state.
Just because someone defends a state sovereignty, doesn't mean they endorse its policy-- if you had a clue you'd know that.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
Of course portions of states have a right to secede from the whole! It's the basic principle of private property. East Tennessee's property, that is land and machinery, was privately owned and the property owners were free to do as they wished. Now, if one state secedes from another state, they also can be kicked out of the Union, but the Union approved East Tennessee's desire to remain. So that really makes the Confederacy the invader.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
@TheFlanker35
You stupid moron, private title to real property does NOT transcend the claim of a sovereign state! NOTHING does!!!
So you're saying London has the right to secede from England, or Paris from France?
And no, a state CAN'T be kicked out of the Union by other states, that's not in the Constitution. However a sovereign state can SECEDE at will-- again, NOTHING surpasses it.
You are just too stupid for words... try getting a clue before you lecture a legal scholar.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
States are only sovereign over matters within their state. When a former part of that state secedes, it is no longer part of its former state. So obviously, the Confederate state of Tennessee wasn't sovereign over the Union state of Tennessee in its eastern parts simply because it was no longer the same state. If the Confederacy had a grain of consistency, this would have been its reasoning.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
@TheFlanker35
Shut your asshole, moron, you don't know sovereignty from reserved powers.
Sovereignty is ABSOLUTE, and is dictated by the PEOPLE of the state acting to OVERRULE state and/or federal government, since ALL sovereignty originates with the people of the STATE.
So just STFU, you're so full of shit that you're stinking up the room. Go flatulate your ignorance elsewhere.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
"Sovereignty is ABSOLUTE, and is dictated by the PEOPLE of the state acting to OVERRULE state and/or federal government, since ALL sovereignty originates with the people of the STATE."
Yes, and when the people of East Tennessee dictated their secession from Tennessee, they're independent.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
@TheFlanker35
Geez TheWanker is farting out his ignorance again.... cork it loser.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
You seem to think that the people of East Tennessee didn't have a right to secede because the people of central and west TN. didn't want them to leave their state. You justify this by claiming that if a majority vote in a region constitutes "The People," who ascribe sovereignty. This philosophy is known as collectivism, which violates our right to private property. If you want to go be collectivist, leave the US and go to North Korea. You people have contaminated the US enough.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
@TheFlanker35
No, I KNOW they didn't have the right to secede because Tennessee is a SOVEREIGN STATE, and so it would be like the people of London wanting to secede from the UK and take the city with them, Buckingham Palace and all.
It's hard to believe that even you could be that dense... but you seem to be proving it against all doubt.
The states were not founded as "regions," they were SOVEREIGN NATIONS unto themselves. Read the fucking Declaration of Independence.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
"No, I KNOW they didn't have the right to secede because Tennessee is a SOVEREIGN STATE"
Yes, it was as sovereign as the Ottoman Empire.
"The states were not founded as "regions," they were SOVEREIGN NATIONS unto themselves."
Yes, they seceded from a sovereign nation just as east Tennessee seceded from a sovereign state. East Tennessee became the sovereign entity then.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
@TheFlanker35
Jesus F. Christ you are full of SHIT.
Read the fucking TREATY OF PARIS, MORON!
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
Read the "Declaration of Grievances" of East Tennessee against secession from the Union. Read the "Scott County Resolution" that established Scott as an independent state with intentions of joining the Union. The Confederates invaded this sovereign nation so they deserved a whooping 100 times bigger than they gave their slaves. If we had given the Confederates a bigger whooping, we wouldn't have all the anti-manufacturing sentiment that plagues our country today.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
P.S. You can't even read: I said "Sovereignty is ABSOLUTE, and is dictated by the PEOPLE of the state acting to OVERRULE state and/or federal government, since ALL sovereignty originates with the people of the STATE."
When did you decide that Tennessee was not a STATE? The people = the MAJORITY, every jerk-moron like you can't just grab his own piece of it and start his own fucking country, moron.
I hate liars, morons and assholes,, so you're the unholy trinity.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
"When did you decide that Tennessee was not a STATE?"
I did not decide this, the sovereign people decided it. There were two Tennessees from 1861-1867. One of them was in the Union, but under an illegal Confederate occupation until 1864, and the other one was assisting that brutal occupation until 1864.
"The people = the MAJORITY"
Again, that's called collectivism. Even under your criteria, the majority of East Tennessee wanted out. They were sovereign.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
@TheFlanker35
What you're still here? I TOLD you to stick a cork in your ass-- either you didn't listen, or you didn't do it right because you're STILL talking out of it and stinking up the room with your ignorance.
Geez you can't do anything right; if you heard a referee was blowing fouls you'd jump onto the basketball-court with a chicken-suit.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
Well, you guys didn't listen in 1861 and got a mild whooping. If you don't listen again to the productive people of our country, you're going to get an even bigger whooping.
Scott was an independent country and whooped your asses eventually when you invaded it. You should be grateful the Union was so kind after the war.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
@TheFlanker35
Geez the cork isn't working, he's still so full of it he's stinking up the room.... should go into the fertiizer-bussiness with all that BS.
Motherfucking Nazi piece of shit is proud of ruthless imperialism against sovereign nation.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
Sovereignty is decided at the point of a gun when a civilized people are fighting brutal animals. The industrial North was civilized and the agrarian Confederacy had fallen victim to an unfortunate mental illness which made them force agrarianism on anyone they could. The good people of Scott decided that they had to protect their country from these lunatics and drive these degenerate beasts off their land.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
@TheFlanker35
And once again the shit-head stinks up the room with its ignorance....
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
By the way, it's very unusual for a self-described "black woman from Jamaica" to support the Confederate imperialism with such fervor.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
@TheFlanker35
No it's not, you are ignorant in so many ways.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
Really? So if someone goes to Jamaica flying the Confederate Battle Flag, they would be well received by the local black population? Is that what you're telling me? Honestly, I dare you to post of video of yourself and verify that you're a black woman from Jamaica who is also a Neo-Confederate.
The right to secede private property from a country when not dependent on that country is implied in the very word 'private'.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
@TheFlanker35
Yeah, LICK the emperor's ass while you're flattering his robe!
Idiot.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@TheFlanker35
"Scott was an independent country"
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
"BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA"
Since the Confederacy destroyed Scott, they deserved to be destroyed by the Union and then some.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
@TheFlanker35
Stupid wanker thinks there was a sovereign nation named "Scott" LOL
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
Damn straight. Scott was a sovereign nation as it hadn't been admitted to the Union, but was no longer part of Tennessee.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
@TheFlanker35
Uh-huh.... and which sovereign states RECOGNIZED its sovereignty?
Of course you realize that a sovereign state must be reognized by 2 or more EXISTING sovereign states, in order to be legitimate, under international law?
Because otherwise you're just blowing smoke out your ass, and have no idea what you're talking about-- and of course only an insolent fool would do that.
Oh wait, you ARE an insolent fool who makes up facts as freely as he farts... which is quite a bit of gas.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
"Uh-huh.... and which sovereign states RECOGNIZED its sovereignty? Of course you realize that a sovereign state must be reognized by 2 or more EXISTING sovereign states, in order to be legitimate, under international law?"
Since Scott didn't recognize international law, it wasn't binding on them. Also, Scott was recognized by the free state of Jones and the free state of Winston during the Civil War. The US recognized Scott as the legitimate government of TN during the war.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
"The people = the MAJORITY, every jerk-moron like you can't just grab his own piece of it and start his own fucking country, moron."
Yes, we can grab a piece of land or sea that is not owned by a recognized body and start a country. This is called homesteading. You don't understand it because you're a collectivist/socialist, but this is how a free country works. If you don't like it, go to North Korea or China and see the end culmination of collectivism.
TheFlanker35 7 months ago
@TheFlanker35
Just put a cork in your ass nimrod, you're stinking up the room by blowing your bullshit all over and making up facts like there's no tomorrow.
Fucking youtube shit-for-brains moron.
postalmeter 7 months ago
U$A... too big to fail?
rayzn11 2 years ago
@rayzn11
ALL empires are considered too big to fail... that's why they always DO.
postalmeter 7 months ago
What about the Confederacy? The Confederacy was not a confederacy, did not believe in liberty, and promoted a Luciferian agenda; Albert Pike was openly a Devil worshiper. Jefferson David, a closet Catholic, believed in America's Bill of Rights was heretical. In 1836, advocating abolitionism was declared a felony in the state of Virginia. It was a crime in the Confederacy for slaves to read the Bible; clearly the Confederacy was godless just like Federal Vision.
Drregaleagle 2 years ago
Catholics consider themselves Christian. Plenty of others also advocated slavery. The bible has a rule for how you can beat slaves. So it's pretty hard to say the Confederacy was godless based simply on your post. Furthermore, some Northerners were not against slavery, and not all the ones that were against it were against it for issues of rights. Your "godless" claim can be applied to any society ever.
stealthswimmer 2 years ago
Catholics considered the Bill of Rights heretical. Also, the Bible demands that slaves be aloud to read it and clearly condemns slavery in the Epistle to Philemon! I'm not defending the Union or Lincoln, DiLorenzo does enough of that. I'm merely pointing out the pseudo-faith that founded the Confederacy.
Drregaleagle 2 years ago
ah i see.
stealthswimmer 2 years ago
@Drregaleagle
Yeah too bad biblical law didn't transcend state statute UNTIL Lincoln's law... then the Supreme Court began asserting the 9th Amendment as securing Common Law above state statutes, as in Roe v. Wade when they claimed that abortion should be legal under the 9th Amendment since they claimed there were no criminal statutes against it prior to the Constitution.
Thank Lincoln for that-- in reality, the 9th Amendment transcends only FEDERAL law.
But Lincoln turned all law on its head.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@stealthswimmer
Not only that, virtually ALL nations permitted slavery in 1776; and a man's slaves, wife and children were ALL conisdered his PROPERTY under the law; and he could beat or even KILL them if they disobeyed him.
EVERYWHERE.
In fact, in common-law American districts, it's STILL legal for a man to RAPE his wife-- TODAY.
The hand-wringers over slavery are just stupid hypocrites and moronic sheep brainwashed by federal-government sponsored propaganda, censors and emotional blackmail.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@Drregaleagle
So you're saying that sovereign nations are can be conquered at will, by anyone who has both the inclination and the milltiary means to do so?
Just wanna set the record straight so I can quote you on it.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
Sovereignty is something that's asserted, so yes. Usually, it's immoral to conquer sovereign nations, but sometimes its necessary and moral.
Drregaleagle 7 months ago
@Drregaleagle
You are completely full of shit.
In the words of William Pitt, "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
And so you are--.both a slave and a tyrant.
postalmeter 7 months ago
@postalmeter,
All nations gain sovereignty by attacking other sovereign nations.
Drregaleagle 6 months ago
@pantadon It could not be too old because it is referencing Texas succession musings which occurred in the second half of 2009.
mmingione 2 years ago
@mmingione
Yeah Texas didn't secede in 1861 or anything.
postalmeter 7 months ago
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Liberty4UandMe 2 years ago
When was this video made?
b5kalad 2 years ago