Summarising your video, I AM SURE YOU WERE NEVER BORN-AGAIN (if yu were yu'd still be with Christ!!). Saying sinners' prayer & doing ALL the things yu did 'for God' never makes anyone a Born Again Christian!! A Born Again Christian cares about one thing over everything else: OVERCOMING SIN IN YOUR LIFE! CARRYING YOUR 'CROSS' & FOLLOW CHRIST EVERYDAY!!!!
Your doctrines are wrong!!
Pls do not let your circumstances turn yu away from God. We freely make wrong choices! GOD IS ALWAYS FAITHFUL!
I've noticed that almost every former Christian who becomes atheist or agnostic is immediately met with accusations of false piousness by their fellow Christians. "Oh, you were never a real Christian to begin with". It's a safety mechanism they use to answer any doubt that they themselves might have in their faith. My hat goes off to you! Stay strong!
@TheGreaterGood80 It is obvious you have no clue on what you are saying. Why don't you investigate to find out that maybe the true Born Again Christians have been revealed something from the Holy Spirit that the eyes of the rest of the world simply CANNOT see nor understand? There are no 'safety mech' there, mate. Just the truth! Try it and let us know!
@madenew000 thanks for proving my point you fool. I doubt it has ever crossed your faith-infected brain that every religion in the world claims to see and understand things that the rest of the world cannot see or understand. You honestly think your Christian religion holds the monopoly on this point of a view? Yours is not "truth", but rather opinion.....no matter how much you wish it to be true.
Stop studying the bible for goodness sake, it will only lead to atheism. Unless of course your childhood indoctrination has produced a very thick bubble around you that stops any independent thought from filtering through.
Mountain Dew preventing pregnancy?? That's laughable. We all know it's diet Coke that prevents pregnancy. Also Trident (watermelon flavor) will cure Aids according to my pastor.
Do you think that it's possible you will go back to believing one day? (being that you were a believer in the past that realized there was no god and then later became "born again") And if not, why are you sure this time you are done with believing?
Do you see what you keep saying, religion, religion, religion. Religion is a tradition, we can't make God a traditional thing.
Matthew 5:20 20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
They were the most RELIGOUS people out there, yet Jesus said we need to exceed their righteousness. Its not about the LAW, but HIM only.
It is the most noble pursuit to search for truth..........and truth should be a guide to the worldview of an individual regardless of the consequences..........Truth is a matter of evidence which is both objective/replicable within experimentation. Truth does not bind the scientific method nor the process of faith to its goal.........they are but potential paths.........however, those paths must seek the reality of truth.........
@Kenny123456ish "Ye of little faith." I like that. The nice lady in the video should thank you for the compliment, because you've affirmed and recognized her intelligence. That's right, a person's level of faith is inversely proportionate to that person's level of intelligence.
I love people like you, who make there own way and do what they really want to do.
I was a catholic but now I am an agnostic the catholic side of my family had disowned me for a few years until they realised there is nothing wrong with me believing nor disbelieving.
@WaterMachine1 - Of course there are people who turn back to faith, but they do not do it for reasons of logic or evidence. And logic, evidence, and humanitarian values are what advance society. Not faith.
@singledad1234 He commits genocide left and right and is proud of it; he's quite fond of slavere and he's a sexist SOB; he demands constant adulation under threat of eternal torture.
If I believed such an evil creature as Yahweh actually existed it would be my moral duty to not obey.
Read numbers 31. What kind of disgusting god instructs you to commit genocide and keep all the female children alive so you can rape them?
"I couldn't hold on to what christianity had become since the time of christ"....no true christian will hold on to religious falsehood!..that's when u begin your journey with God. Instead u allowed the wickedness of men to deter u from your path.. "Poultry education"...lol..your mission was clearly laid before u and instead of tarrying through the storm u quit!...is that what your education taught u to do, give up on God?
@singledad1234 The Jesus story is very curious in that it's plainly imoral and nonsensical at its core; you'd think there'd be at least some effort put into making it coherent.
Jesus' sacrifice is a sham; it's not a sacrifice if you ressurect yourself.
Jesus' forgiveness is irrelevant; if I have wronged you it is your forgiveness I need. The jesus myth is just the old imoral practice of scapegoating.
Any kind of moral god would be able to forgive without this curious form of fake self-harm.
@Kenny123456ish Faith is belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge about things without parallel. It is utter lunacy.
Isn't it hilarious how learning and thinking seem to be in exact opposition of what the church wants? It's an exercise in pointless conservation to try and force Christianity to remain static in an ever changing world. Christianity, like all religions, needs to grow and adapt to get out of this fundamentalist stagnation, or it too shall go the way of the dodo.
You lack/lacked faith. The end. The power of Jesus Christ is VERY real. The devil is on the prowl. You keep regurgitating the word religion. What does religion have to do with the teaching of Jesus? You are very narrow minded and ignorant.
Kudos, I cannot flaunt my deconversion since although Christian, my family and environment never used religion to justify one procedure or other. Everyone taking the bible too seriously was considered somehow, a sort of obsessed semi-psycho. But that is my small environment, I have seen places where actually christian beliefs diminish some peoples quality of life.
Jesus said " you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength.." But how can love be a command? You just cant command love. Supposedly god made us the way we are, then commanded us to love it, condemns us to eternal damnation if we dont and remains hidden through the whole process". Its bizarre,
(continued).. Reasons why some books didnt make it into the Bible:
1.They were not referenced by Jesus. Jesus referenced the entire Jewish canon of Scripture by referring to Abel and Zacharias (Matt. 23:35). He also never quotes directly from any of the apocryphal writings, but makes numerous references to the Old Testament books.
2.They lacked apostolic or prophetic authorship.
4.They contain unbiblical concepts or the condoning of magic
@Nashhinton Hm. But even contradictory accounts and accounts with historical inaccuracies made it into the current canon, as well as accounts which are claimed to be from certain authors but were probably forged. At the very least, sections of the new testament were inserted by other hands than the original authors, yet those became canonized. It seems apparent to me that there's a lot of room for error in human canonization.
@Nashhinton 3.) I'll assume you meant 3, though I wouldn't be surprised if a Christian couldn't count. First: If it was originally a part of the bible, then how can it have an 'unbiblical' concept? Second, the bible itself condones magic every time it tells Christians to pray. Prayer is a certain set of words that are believed to produce a supernatural effect. Magic is also a certain set of words that are believed to produce a supernatural effect.
@Nashhinton 4.) Again, I'll assume you realize that the number three exists. In any case, historical inaccuracies are rife throughout the entire bible. The majority of stories told in the New Testament are not recorded anywhere else. If Jesus really turned water into wine, wouldn't someone other than his twelve minions have thought to mention such an obviously supernatural phenomenon? Of course. The fact that no other records exist means it likely didn't happen.
@Kwinnky - I know how you feel about Jesus as a role model. (Forgive the late response to your comment.) The Jesus I constructed in my mind is awesome. So is the Buddha, the Gandhi, the MLK Jr, the Carl Sagan. Everyone I honor and value I have partly created in my mind, ignoring certain characteristics, elevating others. You don't have to let go of Jesus. Just know that the good he did wasn't because his mother was magically impregnated. It was because he chose to be a good human.
Just try to study the Orthodox doctrine, there is an Orthodox American church, where most of the things are not change since Christ. I know that you Americans are thinking of Orthodox as an Russian "thing". But this is not true. Russians are now officially Orthodox, but the orthodox church did not origin in Russia nor the whole Russian culture is determine by it's confession of Orthodoxity. And a friend advice - in the Bible it's said that the uneducated people is like a disaster... ;)
@BeLieVeR11111 - I have studied orthodox, catholic, protestant, gnostic, calvinist, and other doctrines. There's no need to study them further. They're all based on the same basic unprovable assumption: that there is a god.
The reason I left is similar to yours....women subjugation....in history before Christianity blended with the pagan religion mirthism (they share many, many similarities) the Greek/Roman gods were both man and woman and they were equally revered....well before Hercules anyway....The old testament was written in Hewbrew and the new in Greek.....need I say more...it's the same ole same ole Greek/Roman Mythology just carried forward.
@ReligiousFiction, The devil was trying to decieve you through those misfortunes and the religious confusion that you've experienced. Trust me, the Lord cares about you and he's willing to save you. You don't need a denomination-- all you need is the lord.
@ReligiousFiction, You're too gullible and easily influenced. The Bible says that if you leave the the faith, you were never christian... I'm so sorry about your "deconversion" story.... May the Lord bless you and guide you back to the truth...
" They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us."
@Nashhinton And you interpret that to mean that ALL people who leave the faith were never Christian? Please look up 'Prplfox's deconversion story watch?v=aa5FDATiErk
@Nashhinton - Your assumptions are incorrect. Give it a try - you'll see a true believer whose heart was wrenched because he didn't want to stop believing. But if that's the kind of response you're going to give to my attempt to have a real conversation with you, I think you're letting your emotions and fears get in the way.
@ReligiousFiction, I already looked it up, and it's insignificant according to my opinion. I follow yahweh and His commandments. My heart is not "wrenched" when I believe in the gospel. I feel full of joy and I have a desire to follow God's commandments. You may not believe in god, and that's your choice. However, you are lost (according to my opinion), and I wont preach to you any longer, and I'm not really the type who argues. I will pray for you. Peace and Truce.
@Nashhinton If you think I chose not to believe in god you weren't listening, and you don't understand. Can you choose to believe in the tooth fairy? In Santa? Can you choose not to believe that you're alive, that your eyes are seeing light from a monitor?
You may spend your time praying - that IS a choice. But I also hope you choose to do something that helps more than just you, rather than pray.
@ReligiousFiction, (continued)... To believe is to first have a conviction, and to afterwards choose. And please do not compare God to Santa. You know that's similar to comparing the existence of extraterestrial life on another planet in an unknown parellel universe to the existence of spongebob.
@Nashhinton Fine. Jesus is like Santa then. They're both based on historical figures, about whom an oral tradition arose, then other traditions of worship arose around them. Now we do things in the name of each, but give the 'spirit of each character the credit.
@ReligiousFiction, Santa was indeed based on a real person named saint nicholas, but the story of the man evolved later to became a fictional man who delivers presents to kids on christmas day. Yet that doesn't negate the story of Jesus Christ. You cant prove that Jesus never existed or didnt perform miracles. You're comparing something totally different to Jesus Christ.
@ReligiousFiction, Also let's use some of your logic regarding your claim for the impossibilty of God. One argument that is asked is this: Can God make a rock so heavy that he cant lift it up? Well, the question is simiar to asking: Can a man with an extremely high IQ, who is mentally, psychologically, and physically healthy at the moment, pass an IQ test without trying to fail? The question is obviously denoting an impossibility from the start! Atheists ask questions that are plain ridiculous!
Jesus is indeed fictionalized now. Take a look at all the gospels, for one thing - ALL of them, the ones that were canonized and the ones that were not.
I can't prove Jesus never existed, nor can I prove the Olympian gods never existed, nor the Easter Bunny, nor alien invaders. That isn't a good reason to believe in them.
@ReligiousFiction, Canon was dealt with strictly by many ancient scribes. The canonical writings must agree on all spiritual matters in order to be part of the scripture. Many people wrote their own accounts concerning the historical Jesus, and yet it mainly disagreed with the standard spiritual message given. I cant prove the existence of the easter bunny nor santa nor Jesus. But I made a choice to accept my convictions regarding the person of Jesus Christ. That's all. Have a good day.
@Nashhinton - The books were canonized hundreds of years after Jesus died. Have you read any of those that were excluded? Also, are you a Catholic who reads all of the bible? Or are you a protestant who uses the slimmed-down version?
@ReligiousFiction, Yeah, I read those lost books online all the time. They're very interesting, but some of them are innacurate. And the current books we have today were canonized in the second century AD. And I'm actually a nondenominational evangelical. I try to keep the jewish festivals occasionally, as the apostles did. Also, I'm not much of a church person.
@Nashhinton That's cool that you read those books. How do you determine which are inaccurate, though, if they contradict each other and were written at nearly the same time?
@ReligiousFiction, To tell if a gospel is not part of canon, you must examine the claims made by the authors, and you must see if it agrees with the old testament and the majority of the messages made the apostles. It's like a majority vote type of thing. Also, again, it must agree with the fundamental teachings of the OT. Many ancient Jewish Scholars left some writings out of the OT, because it contradicted the previous and overall claims made by the Torah and the main books of the OT.
@ReligiousFiction, (continued)..Also, I would agree that very few lost books should have been allowed in the New Testament, because I see very limited disagreement. And it's the contradictions concerning the spiritual message of the Bible that arouses disagreements. I would agree that the Bible does have seeming insignificant contradictions in the text, but the overall fundamental teachings and messages of the text is in perfection....
@ReligiousFiction, (continued)... Also, to clarify one thing: when God first revealed the revelation concerning how to write the Gospel, the revelation itself was perfect. I would agree that the imperfections of the apostles would have created certain contradictions within the text. Certain scribes later created spelling imperfections and ommisions, but when taking the entire manuscripts together, you will find that it reads just like our modern texts, but like a different version of the Bible.
@Nashhinton "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." - Jesus Christ. This is hardly a man or god that should be followed if they are making such demands. And I would have to agree that there are massive discrepancies between the gospels. For instance the birth of Christ is completely different between Matthew and Luke. Like very different in enough detail that only one could be right and not the other.
@CtheWolfe, And this all disproves the accuracy of Jesus how? I mean, the guy was the messiah and was partly God incarnate. I would be bowing down to the guy. I think you haven't really heard of the proofs and the meanings behind Christ's sacrifice. You sound pretty uneducated throwing random verses out. I recommend that you thoroughly and scrupolously analyze the entire symbolism of the 7 jewish annual feasts, and try to correspond the symbolism to the crucifixion, the second coming, etc.
@Nashhinton This quote highlights the mentality. Even completely taken from its historical context its not right for anyone... especially a benevolent being such as "God" is supposed to be asking for people to be brought forth and slain. Crucifixion was not symbolic until after Christians made it that way. Its no different than a public hanging or a head on pike except it is quite a bit more cruel. And me throwing a random verse out is different than a Christian throwing a random verse out how?
@CtheWolfe, Just study the meaning of the passover lamb for example, which corresponds to Jesus' atonement. Pay attention to the eating of unleavened bread (signifies cleansing oneself from sin- for leaven signifies evil and moral blemish). The passover reminds us of the freedom from bondage (sin) and the protection from the destroying angel (Satan). Christ saved us from all of these things. Each holiday was and will be fulfilled in Christ. The first 4 holidays have been fulfilled in Christ...
@Nashhinton How did Christ save anyone from anything? Sure maybe if you lived in the same geographical region. But I mean were the Chinese going to hell until the heard of Christ? I mean every geographical region has its own mythologies... Christ is merely one of many geographical mythologies.... I can't believe you don't see this and actually believe in an archaic story and push it on people as "They cannot interpret the bible"
@CtheWolfe, You sound like a babbling idiot who needs severe help. Anybody who has a hobby in getting on the internet and telling everyone that atheism is true, needs professional help. Do I have to explain everything to you, or do you slack, not researching anything for yourself, while idling around spreading lies and calling religious people ignorant? Do you find pleasure in this? It's getting old with you nutcase atheists. You never want to learn for yourself. You babble and whine. Get a job.
@Nashhinton "You sound like a babbling idiot" Now you resort to calling names? When someone gives their perspective on what the story really means? I mean are you saying I have no right to read something and not form an opinion on it? Did I call you ignorant? Am I really a nutcase because I believe different than you? Am I whining about anything or just expressing my view? I do have a job thank you. You know nothing about me. The whole premise of Jesus's sacrifice is completely illogical.
@CtheWolfe, BLA BLA BLA. Why dont you shove a history book up your behind? Maybe you'll learn something afterwards. Everyone hates muslims and atheists, as demonstrated in a poll. Ask Christopher Hitchens, or Communist China to spare your life.
@Nashhinton Look at how hostile you are. And trust me I know my history of Western Civilization well enough. After all I did take quite a few history courses in university. Now we are onto you hating me because you think I am atheist? Look at this. You want to know a historical inaccuracy of the bible?
@CtheWolfe, A few history courses? LOL. Look I go to college. I'm trying to study in philosophy and history. I know that the Bible has few discrepancies in the text. Yet that doesnt bother me. The message is still clear. I do think that God does reveal many spiritual truths to us through the scriptures. Yet a few tiny errors in a story plot is no big deal. Now please stop sending me comment messages. TAKE CARE AND LIVE A JOYOUS LIFE.
@Nashhinton Look you go to college? I just finished telling you when I was in university *cough cough* I took a few. I mean discounting all the art history, anthropology, psychology and sociology courses I took while I attended before completing my degree... Clearly you are more knowledgeable than I because you are still attending a college. How could I possibly have learned as much in my courses as you who are still working on your degree.
@Nashhinton "Yet a few tiny errors in a story plot is no big deal." They completely undermine the validity of the story. And you ignore the horrors that are contained within the "truths" as well? I mean the genocide, slavery, rape, war, conquest, pillage is enough to realise that it is not divine nor the actions put forth by a benevolent god, rather bronze age men who had a lack of understanding of the world around them.
@Nashhinton "In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2 (This was the first census that took place while[a] Quirinius was governor of Syria.) 3 And everyone went to their own town to register." Its been historically proven that Augustus called no such census with those requirements at the time Quirinus was governor infact those events took place more than 40 years apart or there about.
@CtheWolfe, How do you know that he didnt issue that decreed census? Just because we have limited documents in the historical record, that doesnt negate the facts surrounding the possiblity of it occuring. THINK.
@Nashhinton Because the documentation we do have of the census makes no reference to forcing people from their homes to return to the place of their lineage.... I mean how ridiculous is that concept anyways? Forcing virtually your entire population to go back to which ever little town they came from in order to take a census. It was a poor attempt at trying to fulfill the prophecies set forth in the Old Testament. A census was held but not at the same time as the other event and not that way.
@Nashhinton You tell me to think, yet you sit here calling names and discounting the truth put before you. Ignoring that which makes you uncomfortable and contradicts your beliefs. I will say this much, you have offended me yet I hold my tongue from calling you an ignorant idiot and various other names as you have done I. You can hate me all you want, its no sweat off my back. Just remember I live more like godly than you whether I believe in a god or not.
@Nashhinton Your apologies are not needed. In future hold your tongue and do not express such clear lack of respect for people who merely believe different than you because of what they know. Being a student of Philosophy as you have claimed do you not find the whole story of Jesus completely illogical and not required by a god who can do anything? Simply why could he not just forgive us? Why did there have to be human sacrifice? If you can do anything, nothing is required to do it.
@Nashhinton And how does human sacrifice even start to pay for someones sins? I mean killing an innocent person does not absolve the guilty of a crime. And how is it really even considered sacrifice if you have previous knowledge that you are completely immortal and completely impervious to death? Then how is your death actually meaningful? If Jesus is god he could not be actually killed(except in his mortal flesh) which is utterly meaningless with the knowledge he had.
@Nashhinton I mean really think about. If you knew that you sacrificing yourself was not really sacrificing yourself because you truly did not die. Death would mean ceasing to exist. Then how does that even scratch the surface of what true sacrifice encompasses? True death, is not something Jesus could attain so how could his death possibly absolve me for sins? And why did god even have to sacrifice something to forgive me for sins? Could he not just forgive? Its a completely ridiculous concept.
@Nashhinton Now I am the ignorant one because I choose to not believe in what you do? Because to me its illogical and nothing more than a mythology? I mean look at you. If god makes you good why have you sat here and called me about 5 names and insinuated that I am unemployed. I said nothing about you personally and here you stand in all your righteousness and bash me over what? An opposing view? Get real.
@Nashhinton You become hostile and start throwing names the moment you realise you are speaking with someone who is not ignorant, who has studied the bible in some detail, who can place things in a historical context and that I am not willing to just take your word for it. And you fail to address the fact of the contradiction of the accounting of Jesus's between Matthew and Luke which are quite significant. And the surrounding history completely inaccurate.
@CtheWolfe, When you start to realize that history is an entire collection of information regarding the past, THAT MUST BE FALSIFIED or examined in its entirety, then you my friend, are an excellent historian. Making absolute claims is something that a good historian would never do. You must present highly likely information that sounds reasonable at the moment. You cannot just expect that a lack of information negates its occurences. Now, take care, because I'm about to go to bed.
@Nashhinton Actually what put me onto that piece of history was not my own research but that of an expert researcher who had a specific interest in the time period with regards to theology. And the historical accuracy of that specific passage was clearly and distinctly FALSIFIED as you so put it. And this has been gone over by many people and held as a truth that these events did not occur at the same time, nor was the census done in such a way.
@Nashhinton I love how you try to jump on me for being uneducated throwing out random verses. I could get very specific in my verses that show clear contradictions within the bible. Complete and utter immorality. As well I could hand pick the good ones such as they do at church sermons. And yes I know I have a few pastors in my family, I am not someone has had no exposure to Christianity. And how would going over the feasts, and second coming do to prove validity or lack of contradiction?
@CtheWolfe, (continued)...The remaining 3 holidays, or the feasts of Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles will be fulfilled during the Tribulation, Second coming, and the Millenial Reign. The first four holidays occur in the spring and summer. The other 3 feasts will occur during late fall and winter. Research it. Have a great day.
Sorry, but you were never a born again Christian. You can subscribe to a religion, do this or that and learn this or that. You might no agree with Christians or scripture, it has nothing to do with anything you've mentioned. To be born again, truly, like millions of us, you have to have literally met Jesus face to face, as a spirit, but starkly real. The experience is life changing and profound. You'll have trouble with discouragement, but you'll NEVER think that God and Jesus are not real.
do u know that it is by grace that u are saved not by works. u are not saved by ur works. not every body who said that they are saved. if u bleive freewill of the bible u are not saved.
This is the classic example of someone who might of thought they had something to do with their own salvation. Someone who followed churchianity, turned away from it, and concluded that Christianity is not for them.
@XXXFirebird76XXX :( I'm so tired of trying to explain logic to people who are not interested in it because of their own insecurities.
1. Your definition of Christianity is not the definitive version of what Christianity is. Look up the "No True Scotsman Fallacy," especially TheraminTree's.
2. You're told by your Jesus not to judge. If Jesus/God exist, THEY are the judges of whether I was a Christian. NOT you.
3. You didn't listen to key comments of how I doted on god's will.
Your a bad christian, and you'll burn in the fires of hell, only joking..........welcome aboard the good ship atheism. All the best people have cabins with a view.
The great thing about atheism is ones sense of humor knows no limitations, you can laugh at one and all, I make sure to laugh at myself before I mock others and their beliefs, I feel that gives me legitimacy.
Umm let me think, I suppose they would be the same as the perks that the faithful enjoy, you know? being born, then living some and then dying. Nothing more, nothing less.
people need to stop being stupid... if god created the world know one has proof but theres evidence for the science way... but still do you really think a god would intervene and possibly screw up the whole scene for one person.... god wouldn't interfere with the worlds development because thats not the way the world was meant to be. if the god is a creator that is all he is and if someone is saved it is not due to god but something else... and people need to stop blaming god for their problems.
@dragon71422 - Interesting point - If god was a perfect designer, why would god have to step in to fix things? That makes miracles, answered prayers, inspiration and all of those divine interventions an admission that god ISN'T perfect.
I guess, though, if people believe god started everything, and they rightly blame god for the circumstances out of their control, then they are admitting they believe in an imperfect god. And what's worship-worthy about that?
Balony. She wasn't rambling. She was explaining the depth of her former religiosity for those who would pull the "You weren't really a Christian if you quit" line.
i have never said that i can provide you with scientific proof for supernatural hence it is called a "supernatural" nor i am trying to put fear of God into your soul.
and what's about "put up or shut up". you do not even know me. if you disagree with someone it does not mean you have to throw abuse at people. or is it caused by your own insecurity because your system of beliefs is not as strong as you hoped it was.
P.S.i do have many examples of life on the other side
@PeterTc - I know you're mostly conversing with other people in these comments, but you have mentioned 'evidence' for the supernatural several times. Would you care to share that? The existence of the supernatural (or not) seems like a really important issue - too important to keep information to yourself.
I would have loved to share it with you if i could see you are genuinly interested in this subject. Your fascination is false and is covered all over in sarcasm :
"The existence of the supernatural (or not) seems like a really important issue - too important to keep information to yourself" Hence i would rather not be wasting our time.
regardless it would not have been an example of supernatural which i could explained or back up by laws quantum mechanics, etc.
@PeterTc - You may think I sound disingenuous, but the existence of the supernatural is too important to joke about or to withhold information.
If you actually have evidence and you are willingly withholding it, either your morals are highly flawed, or you are rationalizing a choice you made long ago not to open your beliefs up to criticism.
I am not asking you to be able to back up your evidence necessarily with "quantum mechanics". Share or don't, but stop claiming you have evidence.
@PeterTc - I can't control your interpretation of my text, nor does it matter. I made a sincere request for evidence. If you are unwilling or unable to provide it, so be it.
I agree with you that if there were physical proof, far more people would turn to belief.
I also agree that humans have a unique ability to explore and understand the world. I find the world amazing, and I enjoy it immensely. I hop you do, as well.
Lets hope you will be as happy as you are now and have no regrets when you reach that last moments of your life. ( Most of us, of course, do not know when that day is going to come...)
@jacobalbrecht - my rambling or not is a matter of your opinion, and has nothing to do with whether or not I'm an atheist. What's the real point you're trying to make?
How is talking to Jesus, writing to God, meditating on god's word, listening for instructions (even about where to sit in a vehicle), not a personal guiding relationship?
It seems like you're watching my video with the preconceived notion that no true Christian with a relationship with Christ would abandon the "faith." Guess again.
And you challenged God by thinking you were a true Christian just to abandon your faith. What is "the faith"? It comes down to your faith alone. Also, you think everyone's out to get you, which is a false preconveived notion on your part.
@jacobalbrecht - I can't tell based on the new comment software YouTube is using; to whom were you referring when you said "you think everyone's out to get you"?
true or not, if she was trying to spread propaganda she wouldn't have used the story about her cat, maybe more about the death of a family member, to be more convincing.
You can find examples of abuse in all walks of life including religious institutions. That does not mean that religion as the hole is wrong. It is not about blindly following what your pastor tells you to do. It is about learning, exploring, studying and bettering yourself.
And if in the end of your life you have done no evil, you will die in peace no matter you believe in God or not.The most important thing is how you live your life.
I'm sorry PeterTc, but I'm having real difficulty in believing that you actually listened to this video. You chide her to learn, explore, study and better herslef, yet this is exactly what she has done. You say "The biggest myth Atheists are keep coming up with is that Faith and Science are not compatible." and yet she said she saw they were compatible.
Besides which, this video is not intended as a propaganda piece, it is relating a personal journey. Why doubt so cynically?
When video named "How a Christian Became an Atheist "is posted by an author with name "ReligiousFiction" you are telling me it is about personal jorney not a propaganda piece.
@PeterTc - Brainwashing involves a lot more effort than telling a story.
You're right that I want to get my message out. I want people to know they're not alone when they question religion. I want people to know atheists aren't terrible people. I want people who take religion for granted to consider it a little more carefully than before hearing some of my comments.
Even you have now (I assume) listened to an atheist describe her journey, and you've hopefully opened up a little bit.
@ReligiousFiction can understand when people are encouraged to leave extreme religion behind but not if you are moderate christian or muslim who does not impose his views on others. Religion is not a burden but something which gives people that little bit of moral guidance and imposes responsibilty on them in life.
Any religious person can enjoy life to the full in the same way any moral atheist can. Only person who wants to live imoral lifes would consider religion being a burden.
Belief in a god of love and a god that also punishes eternally is untenable to the rational mind. You cannot accommodate the contradictory doctrines of such religions and still have a free, spontaneous mind. Your god demands belief and submission without evidence, in a world where there is ZERO evidence for ANYTHING supernatural.
A benevolent god would NOT do that.
Your god is impossible, and does NOT allow a "full life".
my god is possible and i have plenty of evidence of supernatural.
if god shown us physical evidence of it's existence we would all be in church tomorrow morning.
you have to make your own choice in life. no one is going to shove this idea down your throat. i think you are not entirely sure yourself about existence of god hence you are trying to prove this more to yourself than others just in case god exist and you would not want to spend last day of your life wondering...
Give ONE SPECK of scientific evidence of the supernatural.
Put up of shut up.
Your god seems to be painfully shy.
I fear your god like I fear Zeus, Allah, and the boogie man. Your beliefs are childish and motivated by self-aggrandizing egoism and cowardice in the face of reality. I am outspoken not out of rebellion but out of a sense of altruism: religions threaten civilization and psychologically compromise children, who are taught to loathe themselves and fear eternal punishment.
@PeterTc - Religion can be a burden on others; even those with moderate views can have a religious perspective which worsens their lives.
Religion is not simply a burden to the immoral; it's burdensome when it imposes constraints which are not beneficial. For example, if a child is told not to think certain thoughts, not to question authority, not to hang around certain people, and the only reason given is "because of god" in some way, the child isn't getting the benefit of good instruction.
religion can only be a burden when it has been misinterpreted or as previously stated to the immoral.
as far as authority is concern children are to be thought respect and discipline and shown love at the same time. it does not mean they are not allowed to question it.
@PeterTc - This is not about showing that abuse debunks a religion. It's about showing that the religion is illogical.
If you watch again, you'll hear how I talk about NOT following doctrine blindly, but was constantly learning, exploring, studying, and bettering myself. I still do that now; I just don't use the bible or prayers as my primary tool. And it's going much better for me now.
I like that you said "The most important thing is how you live your life." I agree.
No Christian should pass a judgment on another person as Jesus said : " do not judge as you will be judged". But being judgmental is not something that only devoted christians do. What a lame example set in this Video.
The biggest myth Atheists are keep coming up with is that Faith and Science are not compatible.They keep taking extracts from New and Old Testaments comparing them to the Science books. forgetting Bible was written thousands years ago, while Science is constantly developing.
@PeterTc - I agree that Jesus speaks against judgment. It's not only Christians who are judgmental, but did you miss the rest of what was going on?
The point is not that Christians are unique in these terrible behaviors; the point is that being Christian doesn't help them avoid those behaviors. They either choose to be better people or not. That shows that it's not supernatural intervention, but natural choice, which makes people better.
I never thought faith and science were incompatible.
salvation through faith unto the unseen Christ! Love!
cast away 'circumsicion religion' and Works by salvation teachings!
belief in Jesus is exactly ABOUT being lifted out of fear! Out of 'should I do this', out of 'what are Moses' laws here?'
WE ARE INTRINSICALLY SINFUL!
We cannot 'earn points' with God! What difference is there between that and Islam? None! The Salvation message is absent! Jesus is absent! The cross is absent!
@ASC - I appreciate your attempt at positivity. Although, I have to say, "we are intrinsically sinful" is NOT positive! It's not even true. We just are. Babies are selfish and generous at the same time. So are adults. When we objectively observe our motives and behaviors rather than trying to manufacture guilt about them, we get far more accomplished.
@ASC continued - Faith is simply believing what you want to believe because you want to believe it. I can't honestly do that any more, because I have made the choice to be intellectually honest. Does your god value honesty?
I think that in the passage about hot, cold and lukewarm Christians and aboit God spitting out the lukewarm, he refers to spitting out half-baked truths i.e - the 'hypocrites in denial' and those who profess God but have not really seen any illumination. Whereas it ALSO states that He EMBRACES the outright cold and the outright hot. I think there is a lesson there. And I think, yes, honesty is essential. And I think u are great for being unpretentious and honest. grace 2 U
@AwaitingSecondComing - thank you for your input and support. I have always interpreted the 'lukewarm' bit as being about those who were lukewarm in their faith. If there's a god ready to embrace the cold, I guess there might be a lot of nonbelievers in the fold!
You are hot
Judgeman05 4 weeks ago
Summarising your video, I AM SURE YOU WERE NEVER BORN-AGAIN (if yu were yu'd still be with Christ!!). Saying sinners' prayer & doing ALL the things yu did 'for God' never makes anyone a Born Again Christian!! A Born Again Christian cares about one thing over everything else: OVERCOMING SIN IN YOUR LIFE! CARRYING YOUR 'CROSS' & FOLLOW CHRIST EVERYDAY!!!!
Your doctrines are wrong!!
Pls do not let your circumstances turn yu away from God. We freely make wrong choices! GOD IS ALWAYS FAITHFUL!
madenew000 1 month ago
I never seen God, I never heard God, But I have felt his presence.
Ratacon2004 1 month ago
I've noticed that almost every former Christian who becomes atheist or agnostic is immediately met with accusations of false piousness by their fellow Christians. "Oh, you were never a real Christian to begin with". It's a safety mechanism they use to answer any doubt that they themselves might have in their faith. My hat goes off to you! Stay strong!
TheGreaterGood80 1 month ago
@TheGreaterGood80 It is obvious you have no clue on what you are saying. Why don't you investigate to find out that maybe the true Born Again Christians have been revealed something from the Holy Spirit that the eyes of the rest of the world simply CANNOT see nor understand? There are no 'safety mech' there, mate. Just the truth! Try it and let us know!
madenew000 1 month ago
@madenew000 thanks for proving my point you fool. I doubt it has ever crossed your faith-infected brain that every religion in the world claims to see and understand things that the rest of the world cannot see or understand. You honestly think your Christian religion holds the monopoly on this point of a view? Yours is not "truth", but rather opinion.....no matter how much you wish it to be true.
TheGreaterGood80 2 weeks ago
@TheGreaterGood80 you are saying that becos yu are Blind that yu can't See the Truth..but, think about this, if you are Blind, can yu see at all?
madenew000 2 weeks ago
@TheGreaterGood80 Two weeks later one of those type of comments appears on this page.
hoffmanshades 2 weeks ago
Stop studying the bible for goodness sake, it will only lead to atheism. Unless of course your childhood indoctrination has produced a very thick bubble around you that stops any independent thought from filtering through.
The church likes them questionless and scared.
metalsusa1 2 months ago
Mountain Dew preventing pregnancy?? That's laughable. We all know it's diet Coke that prevents pregnancy. Also Trident (watermelon flavor) will cure Aids according to my pastor.
metalsusa1 2 months ago
Mountain Dew every day preventing pregnancy? Oh my.
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Do you think that it's possible you will go back to believing one day? (being that you were a believer in the past that realized there was no god and then later became "born again") And if not, why are you sure this time you are done with believing?
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Do you see what you keep saying, religion, religion, religion. Religion is a tradition, we can't make God a traditional thing.
Matthew 5:20 20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
They were the most RELIGOUS people out there, yet Jesus said we need to exceed their righteousness. Its not about the LAW, but HIM only.
RICCIO5000 3 months ago
Sounds like you were living by the "Law". This is no relationship in the law, but in him only.
Matthew 7:21
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
The Bible tell us about a great falling away...
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the FALLING AWAY comes first
RICCIO5000 3 months ago
It is the most noble pursuit to search for truth..........and truth should be a guide to the worldview of an individual regardless of the consequences..........Truth is a matter of evidence which is both objective/replicable within experimentation. Truth does not bind the scientific method nor the process of faith to its goal.........they are but potential paths.........however, those paths must seek the reality of truth.........
jacopman 4 months ago
She is a fundie. Doesn't matter what religion she follows.
BigBangNeverHappend 4 months ago
@Kenny123456ish Jesus died on the corss - 3 hours out of an eternty where He gets His ego stroked for doing it, lol!
Jesus DIED for us, BIG FUCKING DEAL!!!
He NEW He'd rise again and become KING over us BECAUSE HE DIED! It took shitloads of LOVE... for HIMSELF AND GOD, but for US?
200wildmanchris200 4 months ago
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Question: when you prayed the sinner's prayer, were you trusting GOD to save you, and not the words of the prayer or the prayer itself to save you?
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I gotta know...
If you truly meant it and believed JESUS would save you, and not your prayer, then you WERE truly a Christian...
SHIT!!!!...
200wildmanchris200 4 months ago
Question: when you prayed the sinner's prayer, were you trusting GOD to save you, and not the words of the prayer or the prayer itself to save you?
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I gotta know...
If you truly meant it and believed JESUS would save you, and not your prayer, then you WERE truly a Christian...
200wildmanchris200 4 months ago
@Kenny123456ish "Ye of little faith." I like that. The nice lady in the video should thank you for the compliment, because you've affirmed and recognized her intelligence. That's right, a person's level of faith is inversely proportionate to that person's level of intelligence.
MarethRavenlocke 5 months ago
I love people like you, who make there own way and do what they really want to do.
I was a catholic but now I am an agnostic the catholic side of my family had disowned me for a few years until they realised there is nothing wrong with me believing nor disbelieving.
merpmeep 5 months ago
@WaterMachine1 - Of course there are people who turn back to faith, but they do not do it for reasons of logic or evidence. And logic, evidence, and humanitarian values are what advance society. Not faith.
ReligiousFiction 5 months ago
Imbecils !! Everyone knows that Mountain dew 'does not prevent pregnancy'.
Only Sprite can do that !! ;p) !!!!
Dionysus5252 5 months ago
You nailed it. Great video. Life here in arkansas. There will never be any hope for progress until we cast off the straight jacket of religion.
newguy72032 5 months ago
@singledad1234 He commits genocide left and right and is proud of it; he's quite fond of slavere and he's a sexist SOB; he demands constant adulation under threat of eternal torture.
If I believed such an evil creature as Yahweh actually existed it would be my moral duty to not obey.
Read numbers 31. What kind of disgusting god instructs you to commit genocide and keep all the female children alive so you can rape them?
soylentgreenb 6 months ago
"I couldn't hold on to what christianity had become since the time of christ"....no true christian will hold on to religious falsehood!..that's when u begin your journey with God. Instead u allowed the wickedness of men to deter u from your path.. "Poultry education"...lol..your mission was clearly laid before u and instead of tarrying through the storm u quit!...is that what your education taught u to do, give up on God?
detroitthebaptist 6 months ago
@singledad1234 The Jesus story is very curious in that it's plainly imoral and nonsensical at its core; you'd think there'd be at least some effort put into making it coherent.
Jesus' sacrifice is a sham; it's not a sacrifice if you ressurect yourself.
Jesus' forgiveness is irrelevant; if I have wronged you it is your forgiveness I need. The jesus myth is just the old imoral practice of scapegoating.
Any kind of moral god would be able to forgive without this curious form of fake self-harm.
soylentgreenb 6 months ago
@Kenny123456ish Faith is belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge about things without parallel. It is utter lunacy.
soylentgreenb 6 months ago
Isn't it hilarious how learning and thinking seem to be in exact opposition of what the church wants? It's an exercise in pointless conservation to try and force Christianity to remain static in an ever changing world. Christianity, like all religions, needs to grow and adapt to get out of this fundamentalist stagnation, or it too shall go the way of the dodo.
ItchyNinjafy 6 months ago
You lack/lacked faith. The end. The power of Jesus Christ is VERY real. The devil is on the prowl. You keep regurgitating the word religion. What does religion have to do with the teaching of Jesus? You are very narrow minded and ignorant.
scrateshooter 7 months ago
Thanks.
SamWiseGingy 7 months ago
Kudos, I cannot flaunt my deconversion since although Christian, my family and environment never used religion to justify one procedure or other. Everyone taking the bible too seriously was considered somehow, a sort of obsessed semi-psycho. But that is my small environment, I have seen places where actually christian beliefs diminish some peoples quality of life.
orcodrilo 9 months ago
Yeah it does seem like even if they advocate abstinence, they should at least give a few hours to condom education and what not... just in case.
xleax 9 months ago
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Jesus said " you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength.." But how can love be a command? You just cant command love. Supposedly god made us the way we are, then commanded us to love it, condemns us to eternal damnation if we dont and remains hidden through the whole process". Its bizarre,
hitamdanputih 10 months ago
@Kenny123456ish - What is faith, but believing something you want to believe, because you want to believe it?
That is not virtue. That is how people end up flying planes into buildings.
ReligiousFiction 10 months ago
(continued).. Reasons why some books didnt make it into the Bible:
1.They were not referenced by Jesus. Jesus referenced the entire Jewish canon of Scripture by referring to Abel and Zacharias (Matt. 23:35). He also never quotes directly from any of the apocryphal writings, but makes numerous references to the Old Testament books.
2.They lacked apostolic or prophetic authorship.
4.They contain unbiblical concepts or the condoning of magic
5.They have serious historical inaccuracies
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@Nashhinton Hm. But even contradictory accounts and accounts with historical inaccuracies made it into the current canon, as well as accounts which are claimed to be from certain authors but were probably forged. At the very least, sections of the new testament were inserted by other hands than the original authors, yet those became canonized. It seems apparent to me that there's a lot of room for error in human canonization.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, Yeah, The canonizers aren't perfect. Again, I just read every lost book and examine it for myself.
Nashhinton 11 months ago
@Nashhinton I used to think that god would influence the canonization, but I don't see evidence for that now.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@Nashhinton 6. They were not useful political tools to whomever was in power at the time.
soylentgreenb 6 months ago
@Nashhinton 1.) Neither was YouTube, and yet you're using it.
2.) So did the rest of the bible. Revelations is quite obviously a first-hand account of a bad acid trip.
MarethRavenlocke 5 months ago
@Nashhinton 3.) I'll assume you meant 3, though I wouldn't be surprised if a Christian couldn't count. First: If it was originally a part of the bible, then how can it have an 'unbiblical' concept? Second, the bible itself condones magic every time it tells Christians to pray. Prayer is a certain set of words that are believed to produce a supernatural effect. Magic is also a certain set of words that are believed to produce a supernatural effect.
MarethRavenlocke 5 months ago
@Nashhinton 4.) Again, I'll assume you realize that the number three exists. In any case, historical inaccuracies are rife throughout the entire bible. The majority of stories told in the New Testament are not recorded anywhere else. If Jesus really turned water into wine, wouldn't someone other than his twelve minions have thought to mention such an obviously supernatural phenomenon? Of course. The fact that no other records exist means it likely didn't happen.
MarethRavenlocke 5 months ago
(continued)...Or FAIL an IQ test. Sorry typo :P
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@Kwinnky - I know how you feel about Jesus as a role model. (Forgive the late response to your comment.) The Jesus I constructed in my mind is awesome. So is the Buddha, the Gandhi, the MLK Jr, the Carl Sagan. Everyone I honor and value I have partly created in my mind, ignoring certain characteristics, elevating others. You don't have to let go of Jesus. Just know that the good he did wasn't because his mother was magically impregnated. It was because he chose to be a good human.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
Just try to study the Orthodox doctrine, there is an Orthodox American church, where most of the things are not change since Christ. I know that you Americans are thinking of Orthodox as an Russian "thing". But this is not true. Russians are now officially Orthodox, but the orthodox church did not origin in Russia nor the whole Russian culture is determine by it's confession of Orthodoxity. And a friend advice - in the Bible it's said that the uneducated people is like a disaster... ;)
BeLieVeR11111 1 year ago
@BeLieVeR11111 - I have studied orthodox, catholic, protestant, gnostic, calvinist, and other doctrines. There's no need to study them further. They're all based on the same basic unprovable assumption: that there is a god.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
The reason I left is similar to yours....women subjugation....in history before Christianity blended with the pagan religion mirthism (they share many, many similarities) the Greek/Roman gods were both man and woman and they were equally revered....well before Hercules anyway....The old testament was written in Hewbrew and the new in Greek.....need I say more...it's the same ole same ole Greek/Roman Mythology just carried forward.
heikkala2797 1 year ago
I'm shocked at how many people leave you comments saying you were never a real Christian, what nonsense. Truly, faith is the substance of delusion.
IntelligentProbe 1 year ago
No REAL Atheist could have ever been a Christian! hahaha, kidding! Nice video series. I'm a recent deconvert.
IntelligentProbe 1 year ago
Welcome to the world of sanity!!!
God can kiss my ass :)
styzor 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, The devil was trying to decieve you through those misfortunes and the religious confusion that you've experienced. Trust me, the Lord cares about you and he's willing to save you. You don't need a denomination-- all you need is the lord.
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, You're too gullible and easily influenced. The Bible says that if you leave the the faith, you were never christian... I'm so sorry about your "deconversion" story.... May the Lord bless you and guide you back to the truth...
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@Nashhinton - You name me the chapter and verse where the bible says "if you leave the faith, you were never christian."
If you can't, you either
a) were told this and believed it without thinking
b) made it up
c) read the bible with your own preconceptions and not objectively
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, 1 John 2:19 (New International Version):
" They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us."
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@Nashhinton And you interpret that to mean that ALL people who leave the faith were never Christian? Please look up 'Prplfox's deconversion story watch?v=aa5FDATiErk
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, No thanks. I'm sure the story's illogical and full of crap. I might look at it later.
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@Nashhinton - Your assumptions are incorrect. Give it a try - you'll see a true believer whose heart was wrenched because he didn't want to stop believing. But if that's the kind of response you're going to give to my attempt to have a real conversation with you, I think you're letting your emotions and fears get in the way.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, I already looked it up, and it's insignificant according to my opinion. I follow yahweh and His commandments. My heart is not "wrenched" when I believe in the gospel. I feel full of joy and I have a desire to follow God's commandments. You may not believe in god, and that's your choice. However, you are lost (according to my opinion), and I wont preach to you any longer, and I'm not really the type who argues. I will pray for you. Peace and Truce.
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@Nashhinton If you think I chose not to believe in god you weren't listening, and you don't understand. Can you choose to believe in the tooth fairy? In Santa? Can you choose not to believe that you're alive, that your eyes are seeing light from a monitor?
You may spend your time praying - that IS a choice. But I also hope you choose to do something that helps more than just you, rather than pray.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, You can choose to believe in the tooth fairy, but why would you do that? Have a good day.
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, (continued)... To believe is to first have a conviction, and to afterwards choose. And please do not compare God to Santa. You know that's similar to comparing the existence of extraterestrial life on another planet in an unknown parellel universe to the existence of spongebob.
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@Nashhinton Fine. Jesus is like Santa then. They're both based on historical figures, about whom an oral tradition arose, then other traditions of worship arose around them. Now we do things in the name of each, but give the 'spirit of each character the credit.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, Santa was indeed based on a real person named saint nicholas, but the story of the man evolved later to became a fictional man who delivers presents to kids on christmas day. Yet that doesn't negate the story of Jesus Christ. You cant prove that Jesus never existed or didnt perform miracles. You're comparing something totally different to Jesus Christ.
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, Also let's use some of your logic regarding your claim for the impossibilty of God. One argument that is asked is this: Can God make a rock so heavy that he cant lift it up? Well, the question is simiar to asking: Can a man with an extremely high IQ, who is mentally, psychologically, and physically healthy at the moment, pass an IQ test without trying to fail? The question is obviously denoting an impossibility from the start! Atheists ask questions that are plain ridiculous!
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@Nashhinton I never asked that question.
Jesus is indeed fictionalized now. Take a look at all the gospels, for one thing - ALL of them, the ones that were canonized and the ones that were not.
I can't prove Jesus never existed, nor can I prove the Olympian gods never existed, nor the Easter Bunny, nor alien invaders. That isn't a good reason to believe in them.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, Canon was dealt with strictly by many ancient scribes. The canonical writings must agree on all spiritual matters in order to be part of the scripture. Many people wrote their own accounts concerning the historical Jesus, and yet it mainly disagreed with the standard spiritual message given. I cant prove the existence of the easter bunny nor santa nor Jesus. But I made a choice to accept my convictions regarding the person of Jesus Christ. That's all. Have a good day.
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@Nashhinton - The books were canonized hundreds of years after Jesus died. Have you read any of those that were excluded? Also, are you a Catholic who reads all of the bible? Or are you a protestant who uses the slimmed-down version?
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, Yeah, I read those lost books online all the time. They're very interesting, but some of them are innacurate. And the current books we have today were canonized in the second century AD. And I'm actually a nondenominational evangelical. I try to keep the jewish festivals occasionally, as the apostles did. Also, I'm not much of a church person.
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@Nashhinton That's cool that you read those books. How do you determine which are inaccurate, though, if they contradict each other and were written at nearly the same time?
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, To tell if a gospel is not part of canon, you must examine the claims made by the authors, and you must see if it agrees with the old testament and the majority of the messages made the apostles. It's like a majority vote type of thing. Also, again, it must agree with the fundamental teachings of the OT. Many ancient Jewish Scholars left some writings out of the OT, because it contradicted the previous and overall claims made by the Torah and the main books of the OT.
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, (continued)..Also, I would agree that very few lost books should have been allowed in the New Testament, because I see very limited disagreement. And it's the contradictions concerning the spiritual message of the Bible that arouses disagreements. I would agree that the Bible does have seeming insignificant contradictions in the text, but the overall fundamental teachings and messages of the text is in perfection....
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction, (continued)... Also, to clarify one thing: when God first revealed the revelation concerning how to write the Gospel, the revelation itself was perfect. I would agree that the imperfections of the apostles would have created certain contradictions within the text. Certain scribes later created spelling imperfections and ommisions, but when taking the entire manuscripts together, you will find that it reads just like our modern texts, but like a different version of the Bible.
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@Nashhinton "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." - Jesus Christ. This is hardly a man or god that should be followed if they are making such demands. And I would have to agree that there are massive discrepancies between the gospels. For instance the birth of Christ is completely different between Matthew and Luke. Like very different in enough detail that only one could be right and not the other.
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe, And this all disproves the accuracy of Jesus how? I mean, the guy was the messiah and was partly God incarnate. I would be bowing down to the guy. I think you haven't really heard of the proofs and the meanings behind Christ's sacrifice. You sound pretty uneducated throwing random verses out. I recommend that you thoroughly and scrupolously analyze the entire symbolism of the 7 jewish annual feasts, and try to correspond the symbolism to the crucifixion, the second coming, etc.
Nashhinton 11 months ago
@Nashhinton This quote highlights the mentality. Even completely taken from its historical context its not right for anyone... especially a benevolent being such as "God" is supposed to be asking for people to be brought forth and slain. Crucifixion was not symbolic until after Christians made it that way. Its no different than a public hanging or a head on pike except it is quite a bit more cruel. And me throwing a random verse out is different than a Christian throwing a random verse out how?
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe, Just study the meaning of the passover lamb for example, which corresponds to Jesus' atonement. Pay attention to the eating of unleavened bread (signifies cleansing oneself from sin- for leaven signifies evil and moral blemish). The passover reminds us of the freedom from bondage (sin) and the protection from the destroying angel (Satan). Christ saved us from all of these things. Each holiday was and will be fulfilled in Christ. The first 4 holidays have been fulfilled in Christ...
Nashhinton 11 months ago
@Nashhinton How did Christ save anyone from anything? Sure maybe if you lived in the same geographical region. But I mean were the Chinese going to hell until the heard of Christ? I mean every geographical region has its own mythologies... Christ is merely one of many geographical mythologies.... I can't believe you don't see this and actually believe in an archaic story and push it on people as "They cannot interpret the bible"
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe, You sound like a babbling idiot who needs severe help. Anybody who has a hobby in getting on the internet and telling everyone that atheism is true, needs professional help. Do I have to explain everything to you, or do you slack, not researching anything for yourself, while idling around spreading lies and calling religious people ignorant? Do you find pleasure in this? It's getting old with you nutcase atheists. You never want to learn for yourself. You babble and whine. Get a job.
Nashhinton 11 months ago
@Nashhinton "You sound like a babbling idiot" Now you resort to calling names? When someone gives their perspective on what the story really means? I mean are you saying I have no right to read something and not form an opinion on it? Did I call you ignorant? Am I really a nutcase because I believe different than you? Am I whining about anything or just expressing my view? I do have a job thank you. You know nothing about me. The whole premise of Jesus's sacrifice is completely illogical.
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe, BLA BLA BLA. Why dont you shove a history book up your behind? Maybe you'll learn something afterwards. Everyone hates muslims and atheists, as demonstrated in a poll. Ask Christopher Hitchens, or Communist China to spare your life.
Nashhinton 11 months ago
@Nashhinton Look at how hostile you are. And trust me I know my history of Western Civilization well enough. After all I did take quite a few history courses in university. Now we are onto you hating me because you think I am atheist? Look at this. You want to know a historical inaccuracy of the bible?
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe, A few history courses? LOL. Look I go to college. I'm trying to study in philosophy and history. I know that the Bible has few discrepancies in the text. Yet that doesnt bother me. The message is still clear. I do think that God does reveal many spiritual truths to us through the scriptures. Yet a few tiny errors in a story plot is no big deal. Now please stop sending me comment messages. TAKE CARE AND LIVE A JOYOUS LIFE.
Nashhinton 11 months ago
@Nashhinton Look you go to college? I just finished telling you when I was in university *cough cough* I took a few. I mean discounting all the art history, anthropology, psychology and sociology courses I took while I attended before completing my degree... Clearly you are more knowledgeable than I because you are still attending a college. How could I possibly have learned as much in my courses as you who are still working on your degree.
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@Nashhinton "Yet a few tiny errors in a story plot is no big deal." They completely undermine the validity of the story. And you ignore the horrors that are contained within the "truths" as well? I mean the genocide, slavery, rape, war, conquest, pillage is enough to realise that it is not divine nor the actions put forth by a benevolent god, rather bronze age men who had a lack of understanding of the world around them.
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@Nashhinton "In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2 (This was the first census that took place while[a] Quirinius was governor of Syria.) 3 And everyone went to their own town to register." Its been historically proven that Augustus called no such census with those requirements at the time Quirinus was governor infact those events took place more than 40 years apart or there about.
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe, How do you know that he didnt issue that decreed census? Just because we have limited documents in the historical record, that doesnt negate the facts surrounding the possiblity of it occuring. THINK.
Nashhinton 11 months ago
@Nashhinton Because the documentation we do have of the census makes no reference to forcing people from their homes to return to the place of their lineage.... I mean how ridiculous is that concept anyways? Forcing virtually your entire population to go back to which ever little town they came from in order to take a census. It was a poor attempt at trying to fulfill the prophecies set forth in the Old Testament. A census was held but not at the same time as the other event and not that way.
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@Nashhinton You tell me to think, yet you sit here calling names and discounting the truth put before you. Ignoring that which makes you uncomfortable and contradicts your beliefs. I will say this much, you have offended me yet I hold my tongue from calling you an ignorant idiot and various other names as you have done I. You can hate me all you want, its no sweat off my back. Just remember I live more like godly than you whether I believe in a god or not.
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe, And I'm sorry for insulting you.
Nashhinton 11 months ago
@Nashhinton Your apologies are not needed. In future hold your tongue and do not express such clear lack of respect for people who merely believe different than you because of what they know. Being a student of Philosophy as you have claimed do you not find the whole story of Jesus completely illogical and not required by a god who can do anything? Simply why could he not just forgive us? Why did there have to be human sacrifice? If you can do anything, nothing is required to do it.
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@Nashhinton And how does human sacrifice even start to pay for someones sins? I mean killing an innocent person does not absolve the guilty of a crime. And how is it really even considered sacrifice if you have previous knowledge that you are completely immortal and completely impervious to death? Then how is your death actually meaningful? If Jesus is god he could not be actually killed(except in his mortal flesh) which is utterly meaningless with the knowledge he had.
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@Nashhinton I mean really think about. If you knew that you sacrificing yourself was not really sacrificing yourself because you truly did not die. Death would mean ceasing to exist. Then how does that even scratch the surface of what true sacrifice encompasses? True death, is not something Jesus could attain so how could his death possibly absolve me for sins? And why did god even have to sacrifice something to forgive me for sins? Could he not just forgive? Its a completely ridiculous concept.
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe, (continued)... Congrats for being in one of the top 2 hated worldviews in history: Islam and atheism. I salute your ignorance.
Nashhinton 11 months ago
@Nashhinton Now I am the ignorant one because I choose to not believe in what you do? Because to me its illogical and nothing more than a mythology? I mean look at you. If god makes you good why have you sat here and called me about 5 names and insinuated that I am unemployed. I said nothing about you personally and here you stand in all your righteousness and bash me over what? An opposing view? Get real.
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe, Ditto with you.
Nashhinton 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe, (cont)...Take care, and have a great life.
Nashhinton 11 months ago
@Nashhinton You become hostile and start throwing names the moment you realise you are speaking with someone who is not ignorant, who has studied the bible in some detail, who can place things in a historical context and that I am not willing to just take your word for it. And you fail to address the fact of the contradiction of the accounting of Jesus's between Matthew and Luke which are quite significant. And the surrounding history completely inaccurate.
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe, When you start to realize that history is an entire collection of information regarding the past, THAT MUST BE FALSIFIED or examined in its entirety, then you my friend, are an excellent historian. Making absolute claims is something that a good historian would never do. You must present highly likely information that sounds reasonable at the moment. You cannot just expect that a lack of information negates its occurences. Now, take care, because I'm about to go to bed.
Nashhinton 11 months ago
@Nashhinton Actually what put me onto that piece of history was not my own research but that of an expert researcher who had a specific interest in the time period with regards to theology. And the historical accuracy of that specific passage was clearly and distinctly FALSIFIED as you so put it. And this has been gone over by many people and held as a truth that these events did not occur at the same time, nor was the census done in such a way.
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@Nashhinton I love how you try to jump on me for being uneducated throwing out random verses. I could get very specific in my verses that show clear contradictions within the bible. Complete and utter immorality. As well I could hand pick the good ones such as they do at church sermons. And yes I know I have a few pastors in my family, I am not someone has had no exposure to Christianity. And how would going over the feasts, and second coming do to prove validity or lack of contradiction?
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe, (continued)...The remaining 3 holidays, or the feasts of Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles will be fulfilled during the Tribulation, Second coming, and the Millenial Reign. The first four holidays occur in the spring and summer. The other 3 feasts will occur during late fall and winter. Research it. Have a great day.
Nashhinton 11 months ago
even if there is mistakes in christianity that doesn't mean that there is no God. I just say
ilovesonofmary 1 year ago
Sorry, but you were never a born again Christian. You can subscribe to a religion, do this or that and learn this or that. You might no agree with Christians or scripture, it has nothing to do with anything you've mentioned. To be born again, truly, like millions of us, you have to have literally met Jesus face to face, as a spirit, but starkly real. The experience is life changing and profound. You'll have trouble with discouragement, but you'll NEVER think that God and Jesus are not real.
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
@cusanusnicolas What you said.
peppergirl81 1 year ago
@peppergirl81 - Please look up the "No True Scotsman Fallacy." Then you'll see that your claim that I wasn't a Christian is irrelevant.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@cusanusnicolas - You're espousing the "No True Scotsman Fallacy." Look it up, and realize why your comment makes no impact.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
OMG - This sounds just like my story
cpiercejr 1 year ago
do u know that it is by grace that u are saved not by works. u are not saved by ur works. not every body who said that they are saved. if u bleive freewill of the bible u are not saved.
Tina4Yhwh 1 year ago
is so stupid!, so the fact there are many fundamentalist, ... demonstrates that there is no god.
LOLOLOLOL
VyckRo 1 year ago
A story which alludes astrological patterns. People believe this crap (not me)!
SlimeTron5000 1 year ago
"Mountain Dew is a birth control" LOL
uneducated people are funny
meowmeowhigh 1 year ago
@meowmeowhigh - "uneducated people are funny"
Maybe, but they're breeding! And spreading their lack of education!!!
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing.
Mahoivlich 1 year ago
This is the classic example of someone who might of thought they had something to do with their own salvation. Someone who followed churchianity, turned away from it, and concluded that Christianity is not for them.
XXXFirebird76XXX 1 year ago
@XXXFirebird76XXX :( I'm so tired of trying to explain logic to people who are not interested in it because of their own insecurities.
1. Your definition of Christianity is not the definitive version of what Christianity is. Look up the "No True Scotsman Fallacy," especially TheraminTree's.
2. You're told by your Jesus not to judge. If Jesus/God exist, THEY are the judges of whether I was a Christian. NOT you.
3. You didn't listen to key comments of how I doted on god's will.
2bad4u.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
Your a bad christian, and you'll burn in the fires of hell, only joking..........welcome aboard the good ship atheism. All the best people have cabins with a view.
richybinns 1 year ago
@richybinns - Ha! Yikes - you scared me for a minute!
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction
The great thing about atheism is ones sense of humor knows no limitations, you can laugh at one and all, I make sure to laugh at myself before I mock others and their beliefs, I feel that gives me legitimacy.
richybinns 1 year ago
@richybinns =-) A true jester can laugh at himself!
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@richybinns please tell me about all of the perks???
peppergirl81 1 year ago
@peppergirl81
Umm let me think, I suppose they would be the same as the perks that the faithful enjoy, you know? being born, then living some and then dying. Nothing more, nothing less.
richybinns 1 year ago
jkjk
mangafweak 1 year ago
people need to stop being stupid... if god created the world know one has proof but theres evidence for the science way... but still do you really think a god would intervene and possibly screw up the whole scene for one person.... god wouldn't interfere with the worlds development because thats not the way the world was meant to be. if the god is a creator that is all he is and if someone is saved it is not due to god but something else... and people need to stop blaming god for their problems.
dragon71422 1 year ago
@dragon71422 - Interesting point - If god was a perfect designer, why would god have to step in to fix things? That makes miracles, answered prayers, inspiration and all of those divine interventions an admission that god ISN'T perfect.
I guess, though, if people believe god started everything, and they rightly blame god for the circumstances out of their control, then they are admitting they believe in an imperfect god. And what's worship-worthy about that?
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
Jacob:
Balony. She wasn't rambling. She was explaining the depth of her former religiosity for those who would pull the "You weren't really a Christian if you quit" line.
Does her story threaten your beliefs?
themsfightinwoids 1 year ago
@themsfightinwoids
i have never said that i can provide you with scientific proof for supernatural hence it is called a "supernatural" nor i am trying to put fear of God into your soul.
and what's about "put up or shut up". you do not even know me. if you disagree with someone it does not mean you have to throw abuse at people. or is it caused by your own insecurity because your system of beliefs is not as strong as you hoped it was.
P.S.i do have many examples of life on the other side
PeterTc 1 year ago
@PeterTc - I know you're mostly conversing with other people in these comments, but you have mentioned 'evidence' for the supernatural several times. Would you care to share that? The existence of the supernatural (or not) seems like a really important issue - too important to keep information to yourself.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction
I would have loved to share it with you if i could see you are genuinly interested in this subject. Your fascination is false and is covered all over in sarcasm :
"The existence of the supernatural (or not) seems like a really important issue - too important to keep information to yourself" Hence i would rather not be wasting our time.
regardless it would not have been an example of supernatural which i could explained or back up by laws quantum mechanics, etc.
PeterTc 1 year ago
@PeterTc - You may think I sound disingenuous, but the existence of the supernatural is too important to joke about or to withhold information.
If you actually have evidence and you are willingly withholding it, either your morals are highly flawed, or you are rationalizing a choice you made long ago not to open your beliefs up to criticism.
I am not asking you to be able to back up your evidence necessarily with "quantum mechanics". Share or don't, but stop claiming you have evidence.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction
I am not here to convert you, change you or your system of beliefs.
I do have evidence ( my own and people i know experiences ) for supernatural
If anyone of us had physical proof of God existence today, tomorrow all of us would turn to God.
God created this world but he does not interfere with it's development. Humans have unique gift to explore and learn.
The World we live in is never ending constant fight of the opposites.
I am sorry but You do sound disingenuous.
PeterTc 1 year ago
@PeterTc - I can't control your interpretation of my text, nor does it matter. I made a sincere request for evidence. If you are unwilling or unable to provide it, so be it.
I agree with you that if there were physical proof, far more people would turn to belief.
I also agree that humans have a unique ability to explore and understand the world. I find the world amazing, and I enjoy it immensely. I hop you do, as well.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction
Good.
I am very happy that you enjoy life.
Lets hope you will be as happy as you are now and have no regrets when you reach that last moments of your life. ( Most of us, of course, do not know when that day is going to come...)
Good luck.
PeterTc 1 year ago
not to be rude, but all you do is ramble. are you an really an atheist?
jacobalbrecht 1 year ago
@jacobalbrecht
show some respect,she tells the story of her life through religion to awareness.She doesnt ramble...
indalecio21 1 year ago
@jacobalbrecht - my rambling or not is a matter of your opinion, and has nothing to do with whether or not I'm an atheist. What's the real point you're trying to make?
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
You give a perfect description of a religious person that has not a personal relation with Jesus and is not guided by the Holy Spirit.
You have done everything on your own strength.
Texoki 2 years ago
@Texoki - It seems like you weren't listening.
How is talking to Jesus, writing to God, meditating on god's word, listening for instructions (even about where to sit in a vehicle), not a personal guiding relationship?
It seems like you're watching my video with the preconceived notion that no true Christian with a relationship with Christ would abandon the "faith." Guess again.
ReligiousFiction 2 years ago
And you challenged God by thinking you were a true Christian just to abandon your faith. What is "the faith"? It comes down to your faith alone. Also, you think everyone's out to get you, which is a false preconveived notion on your part.
jacobalbrecht 1 year ago
@jacobalbrecht - I can't tell based on the new comment software YouTube is using; to whom were you referring when you said "you think everyone's out to get you"?
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
true or not, if she was trying to spread propaganda she wouldn't have used the story about her cat, maybe more about the death of a family member, to be more convincing.
ThatGuyXP 2 years ago
What a poor propaganda type of video this is.
You can find examples of abuse in all walks of life including religious institutions. That does not mean that religion as the hole is wrong. It is not about blindly following what your pastor tells you to do. It is about learning, exploring, studying and bettering yourself.
And if in the end of your life you have done no evil, you will die in peace no matter you believe in God or not.The most important thing is how you live your life.
Embrace it.
PeterTc 2 years ago
I'm sorry PeterTc, but I'm having real difficulty in believing that you actually listened to this video. You chide her to learn, explore, study and better herslef, yet this is exactly what she has done. You say "The biggest myth Atheists are keep coming up with is that Faith and Science are not compatible." and yet she said she saw they were compatible.
Besides which, this video is not intended as a propaganda piece, it is relating a personal journey. Why doubt so cynically?
conradleviston 2 years ago
@ conradleviston
Who do you think you kidding ?
Give me a break.
When video named "How a Christian Became an Atheist "is posted by an author with name "ReligiousFiction" you are telling me it is about personal jorney not a propaganda piece.
You can tell this to a 5 year old. It might work.
What a lot of bulshit.
Save your brainwashing for someone else, please.
PeterTc 2 years ago
It's propaganda in the sense that all publicly available opinion pieces are, in a manner of speaking, low-grade propaganda.
But...brainwashing? This isn't even close. It's simply someone telling a story and expressing a subjective view that you happen to disagree with.
anyastar 2 years ago
@anyastar - thank you. :)
ReligiousFiction 2 years ago
@PeterTc - Brainwashing involves a lot more effort than telling a story.
You're right that I want to get my message out. I want people to know they're not alone when they question religion. I want people to know atheists aren't terrible people. I want people who take religion for granted to consider it a little more carefully than before hearing some of my comments.
Even you have now (I assume) listened to an atheist describe her journey, and you've hopefully opened up a little bit.
ReligiousFiction 2 years ago
@ReligiousFiction can understand when people are encouraged to leave extreme religion behind but not if you are moderate christian or muslim who does not impose his views on others. Religion is not a burden but something which gives people that little bit of moral guidance and imposes responsibilty on them in life.
Any religious person can enjoy life to the full in the same way any moral atheist can. Only person who wants to live imoral lifes would consider religion being a burden.
PeterTc 2 years ago
Petertc:
"Any religious person can enjoy life to the full"
I DISAGREE.
Belief in a god of love and a god that also punishes eternally is untenable to the rational mind. You cannot accommodate the contradictory doctrines of such religions and still have a free, spontaneous mind. Your god demands belief and submission without evidence, in a world where there is ZERO evidence for ANYTHING supernatural.
A benevolent god would NOT do that.
Your god is impossible, and does NOT allow a "full life".
themsfightinwoids 1 year ago
@themsfightinwoids
my god is possible and i have plenty of evidence of supernatural.
if god shown us physical evidence of it's existence we would all be in church tomorrow morning.
you have to make your own choice in life. no one is going to shove this idea down your throat. i think you are not entirely sure yourself about existence of god hence you are trying to prove this more to yourself than others just in case god exist and you would not want to spend last day of your life wondering...
PeterTc 1 year ago
@PeterTc
Give ONE SPECK of scientific evidence of the supernatural.
Put up of shut up.
Your god seems to be painfully shy.
I fear your god like I fear Zeus, Allah, and the boogie man. Your beliefs are childish and motivated by self-aggrandizing egoism and cowardice in the face of reality. I am outspoken not out of rebellion but out of a sense of altruism: religions threaten civilization and psychologically compromise children, who are taught to loathe themselves and fear eternal punishment.
themsfightinwoids 1 year ago
@PeterTc - Religion can be a burden on others; even those with moderate views can have a religious perspective which worsens their lives.
Religion is not simply a burden to the immoral; it's burdensome when it imposes constraints which are not beneficial. For example, if a child is told not to think certain thoughts, not to question authority, not to hang around certain people, and the only reason given is "because of god" in some way, the child isn't getting the benefit of good instruction.
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago
@ReligiousFiction
wrong
religion can only be a burden when it has been misinterpreted or as previously stated to the immoral.
as far as authority is concern children are to be thought respect and discipline and shown love at the same time. it does not mean they are not allowed to question it.
PeterTc 1 year ago
@PeterTc - This is not about showing that abuse debunks a religion. It's about showing that the religion is illogical.
If you watch again, you'll hear how I talk about NOT following doctrine blindly, but was constantly learning, exploring, studying, and bettering myself. I still do that now; I just don't use the bible or prayers as my primary tool. And it's going much better for me now.
I like that you said "The most important thing is how you live your life." I agree.
ReligiousFiction 2 years ago
No Christian should pass a judgment on another person as Jesus said : " do not judge as you will be judged". But being judgmental is not something that only devoted christians do. What a lame example set in this Video.
The biggest myth Atheists are keep coming up with is that Faith and Science are not compatible.They keep taking extracts from New and Old Testaments comparing them to the Science books. forgetting Bible was written thousands years ago, while Science is constantly developing.
PeterTc 2 years ago
@PeterTc - I agree that Jesus speaks against judgment. It's not only Christians who are judgmental, but did you miss the rest of what was going on?
The point is not that Christians are unique in these terrible behaviors; the point is that being Christian doesn't help them avoid those behaviors. They either choose to be better people or not. That shows that it's not supernatural intervention, but natural choice, which makes people better.
I never thought faith and science were incompatible.
ReligiousFiction 2 years ago
salvation through faith ALONE!
faith simply means love! Hope!
salvation through faith unto the unseen Christ! Love!
cast away 'circumsicion religion' and Works by salvation teachings!
belief in Jesus is exactly ABOUT being lifted out of fear! Out of 'should I do this', out of 'what are Moses' laws here?'
WE ARE INTRINSICALLY SINFUL!
We cannot 'earn points' with God! What difference is there between that and Islam? None! The Salvation message is absent! Jesus is absent! The cross is absent!
AwaitingSecondComing 2 years ago
@ASC - I appreciate your attempt at positivity. Although, I have to say, "we are intrinsically sinful" is NOT positive! It's not even true. We just are. Babies are selfish and generous at the same time. So are adults. When we objectively observe our motives and behaviors rather than trying to manufacture guilt about them, we get far more accomplished.
ReligiousFiction 2 years ago
@ASC continued - Faith is simply believing what you want to believe because you want to believe it. I can't honestly do that any more, because I have made the choice to be intellectually honest. Does your god value honesty?
ReligiousFiction 2 years ago
@religiousfiction
I think that in the passage about hot, cold and lukewarm Christians and aboit God spitting out the lukewarm, he refers to spitting out half-baked truths i.e - the 'hypocrites in denial' and those who profess God but have not really seen any illumination. Whereas it ALSO states that He EMBRACES the outright cold and the outright hot. I think there is a lesson there. And I think, yes, honesty is essential. And I think u are great for being unpretentious and honest. grace 2 U
AwaitingSecondComing 1 year ago
@AwaitingSecondComing - thank you for your input and support. I have always interpreted the 'lukewarm' bit as being about those who were lukewarm in their faith. If there's a god ready to embrace the cold, I guess there might be a lot of nonbelievers in the fold!
ReligiousFiction 1 year ago