I voted "Like", but... My experience (no reflection on benderrxd2) of audiophile phono auditioning resulted in me spending $1000 on an Arcam Alpha CD player instead of $3000 on a table. Reason? Crackles. At the risk of being hung, one has to almost ultrasonically clean the vinyl to weed out the offending particles. Unless you have almost eaten your supper off a good CD recording (especially high definition CDs) then the play is uninterrupted and reasonable quality. Through HD600s, awesome!
While I certainly don't have the funds for a super table like this, I can appreciate the amount of work involved in R&D, designing & building these from a mechanical draftsman/engineer, machinist & mechanic's perspective. From a listeners perspective, I'm quite content with my Technics SL1200 MK II, an absolutely marvelous table & highly regarded by the Hip Hop DJ community. While it may be spartan in it's appointments, it's quite proven.
Even so, one could spend $300,000.00 for one & smile.
These ultra high end turntables begs the following question. When does it get to a point in an audiophile's quest for fidelity that one starts paying astronomical price points just for a marginal improvement in sound? That's if the improvement is more than just physiological perceptions given that one is limited by the technology itself and the studio equipment used to record and manufacture current media.
@tamiasthechipmunk That is an entirely subjective question as it would depend on the purchasers perception of the value of the improvement combined with the purchasers ability to pay for the improvement. Even if the improvement were psycho-acoustic it is still real to that person rather like the placebo effect so again the value of that improvement is a personal thing. I have heard some of the most expensive turntables and they do improve the sound (to my perception)
The purpose of 4 tonearms is that every tonearm and cartridge produces a different sound.One might be better for midrange another for voice,one is better for jazz another for classical.I hope that helps.
ive seen these before, and i cant help wondering if it serves any special function other than looking like something from the 80s Tron or just to look awesome and re-invent the wheel... does it at least reduce wear/tear on vinyl?
@static1994 A good cartridge in a suitable setup will reduce record wear and tear a little but mostly a good deck/arm will just improve the information retrieval quality and be less affected by dust clicks, rumble and similar distractions
@cannissolis I see... thank you. Do you know of any products that might help me restore my records? I hear tons of dust and debris in the grooves and i am almost certain its not the needle or tone arm in any fashion that causes the static. is there a cloth or brush that will help me clean them?
@static1994 he best way I know of to clean records is a purpose built vacuum cleaning machine with the proprietary cleaning fluid, I use an Okki Nokki machine although there are several similar machines on the market, this type of machine even tends to improve the sound of records that appear clean but have been around a few years, if the replay system is good enough. I am sure you know never use tap water as the minerals will deposit in the grooves as it drys.
@cannissolis Actually, I wasn't aweare of any of that. I tried to clean a record with the tap water as a test, and it seemed to work out well, but i haven't done it since. I'd rather get proper cleaning materials, which seem like a better idea now that you have informed me of mineral deposits in the grooves. Do you know where I might be able to get an Okki Nokki machine or something of the like?
@static1994 you can also mix your own cleaning fluid with distilled water isopropanol and optionally a tiny amount of a non foaming surfactant or wetting agent such as ethylene glycol, a good quality decorators paint brush to work it into the grooves and plenty of distilled water to rinse, with lots of patience and elbow grease, but a cleaning machine will still do it better.
@cannissolis Id rather obtain a cleaning machine if you say it works better. In the tap water, how large of a risk are the minerals on the Vinyl? Ive cleaned one or two records with tap water, and now i'm a bit worried...
@static1994 Re. tap water mineral deposit risk. How bad the deposit will depend on the water in your area. The mineral deposit will manifest as a background scratchy hiss it may not be detected easily depending on ear/system bandwidth, but your stylus will certainly wear much faster as it is being dragged through limescale lined grooves and will be difficult to remove once played. I bought my Okki Nokki from Emporium hifi in the UK but a google search will show dealers for cleaners.
@cannissolis Okay, that might explain why my Journey album sounds a bit dull. It sounds like wavelengths being passed through a closed filter on a synthesizer, (thats the best comparison i can make.)
As for the cleaner, ill give that some looking over. Can they get rid of mineral deposits in the grooves?
@cannissolis No worries. in that case, would it be best to clean them with fluid, let them dry, then use the okki nokki? How reliable is the okki nokki machine? have you ever found any faults with it?
@static1994 I have had my machine around 7 years and loaned it to friends it has not gone wrong yet, I have only had to replace the felts on the vacuum arm which are inexpensive, and buy more fluid. The records are cleaned and vacuumed wet , the vacuuming nearly dries them and they are dry and can be played a couple of minutes later.
@static1994 Can't say I counted but as the concentrate is diluted in de-ionized water I would guess around a couple of hundred, but definitely a worthy investment for any body serious about looking after their records and stylus and good sound. I have never regretted buying mine.
@cannissolis Well, I am DEFINETLY serious about Maximizing the life and sound, and the way you describe it sounds like the perfect way.I better start saving some money.
What measurement of fluid are you supposed to use? (tablespoon, etc.) Where do you pour the fluid? Do you apply it directly to the record or is there a pump?
Any other tips? (storage of records, other care methods, Record player care, etc.)
@static1994 Fluid is applied directly to record surface with squeezy bottle when on machine, the amount is not critical as long as whole surface is wetted, it is spread with a felt pad and then vacuumed off. Other tips, if you have a dry room and suffer static at the deck, then keep a bowl with a wet sponge near to raise the local humidity, this will help reduce static buildup due to increased conductivity, quality sleeves, stored vertically, platter bearing full of oil (if oil brg)
@static1994 also use artists paintbrush camel or sable or synthetic version, to remove lint ball from stylus, setting stylus position/alignment is critical to reduce distortion so would recommend a dr feickert protractor as it is the only one I have found that reliably gets it spot on expensive but worth it. Rewire old tonearms (pref silver) as the wire is so thin it oxidizes and really kills the sound, old arms sound much better (more open and alive) after a rewire.
@cannissolis My record player is only about 5 or 6 years old, and reproduces good sound quality, so im not to worried about that part. Besides, im not sure how to exchange the tone arm or cartridge with another one.
I had heard of another cleaner called Spin Cleaner... Have you used it? If so, what was your take?
@static1994 Spin cleaner is a mechanical only cleaning process and is an automated version of what you can do by hand with cleaning solution and a felt cleaning pad, it doesn't use a vacuum to suck the dirt and fluid out of the groove, so it is a bit like the difference between brushing your carpet or vacuuming it I have used other vacuuming machines belonging to friends they all work well I chose the Okki Nokki beacuse it was less expensive than the competition and did the same job.
@cannissolis I see... I wonder if it would be more beneficial to vacuum the record first, apply the fluid, and vacuum it again... what do you think?
Ive heard some rumors about using Woodglue to get the dirt out of a record. Basically apply the glue to the grooves, wait for it to dry, and peel it off carefully. Its supposed to work wonders... What is your take on it?
@static1994 I'm all for experimentation let me know which m.o, works best on the record cleaner. I just follow the instructions which give me excellent results and discussed previously. Regarding PVA glue, I think it would be messy and fiddly and it would worry me in case some was left behind in the groove, if you try it please reply again with your results.
@akirafactor well that would be retrograde as steam cars were doing over 120 mph a hundred years ago and got banned from racing by the racing body as they always beat petroleum i.c. cars. funnily enough the racing body was funded by the oil industry.
i got this turntable for me is the best of turntables, now i bought a new Brazilian hi definition vacuum tube Phono stage Audio Engine the sound quality of this phono stage is incredible natural and clean, better than my Jeff Rowland phono stage
@RobertC19850209 only if you had ridiculously good speakers (ie mbl 101 extremes), but for any speakers under 100k and any amp under 20k its probably a waste of money :p
I think, like most things these days, things like the mbls and clearaudio statement, are just for the sake of saying 'mine is better than yours'. Fractionally better but twice the price
@acesuss yeah, my gf has recently taken to collecting vinyl, and she bought herself one of those laser systems for $20,000 in a way that is better then the player in the video because she can play a record as many times as she wants and it will never wear out. i even gave her my copy of thriller that is severly scratched to the point where i can't go 3 seconds anywhere on the record without skipping, she can play it with no skipping, there is however a lot of pop and click though
OK fine if you like to stare at your record player, than fine ok call it F-Art. I like to use my turntable and spin and scratch records. I'm allowed to have my opinion, and it looks like a Rube Goldberg machine.
These record players plain silly and made for rich fools that have less sense than money. Technics 1200's and other direct drive turntables are the Ferraris' of turntables. This silly Rube Goldberg machine cant be spun or scratched, its a Rolls Royce not a Ferrari. lol Like a hot chick that you live with as roommate and cant bang. Bringing up the point of whats the point, if its a turntable u cant scratch, than why have it.
@mandaltby People also *LISTEN* for the sound of vinyl/analog. I have a turntable and I don't scratch it. I'm certain this table blows away the sound quality of any Technics.
@mandaltby why not burn down a museum of art, most of that stuff does nothing either and costs way too much. I know, lets BAN art in all its forms so we can be closer to the utopian society we all deserve imposed on us...
I wish my stereo could sound like that - oh, wait a minute, I'm listening to this $64k record player through a $500 laptop's internal speakers - oops. It's funny the tricks your mind will play on you, and Cantate Domino will make anything sound good. I'd love to hear it in person.
I voted "Like", but... My experience (no reflection on benderrxd2) of audiophile phono auditioning resulted in me spending $1000 on an Arcam Alpha CD player instead of $3000 on a table. Reason? Crackles. At the risk of being hung, one has to almost ultrasonically clean the vinyl to weed out the offending particles. Unless you have almost eaten your supper off a good CD recording (especially high definition CDs) then the play is uninterrupted and reasonable quality. Through HD600s, awesome!
battuspuppius 6 days ago
While I certainly don't have the funds for a super table like this, I can appreciate the amount of work involved in R&D, designing & building these from a mechanical draftsman/engineer, machinist & mechanic's perspective. From a listeners perspective, I'm quite content with my Technics SL1200 MK II, an absolutely marvelous table & highly regarded by the Hip Hop DJ community. While it may be spartan in it's appointments, it's quite proven.
Even so, one could spend $300,000.00 for one & smile.
Twinhit 1 week ago
idler drive is more exciting to listen.The downside is more noise but I have multiway system and the noise is eliminated in the subwoofer line.
rw5791 2 weeks ago
Maybe it's a Ferrari. Why not go for the RollsRoyce?
Contactless pickup with laser beam instead of a needle.
MucusFelidae 3 weeks ago
and you can still hear the crackles on vinyl...
buua2000 3 weeks ago
Could you make a DJ set with a pair of these and a mixer?? xD
666xGuitarplayerx666 1 month ago
These ultra high end turntables begs the following question. When does it get to a point in an audiophile's quest for fidelity that one starts paying astronomical price points just for a marginal improvement in sound? That's if the improvement is more than just physiological perceptions given that one is limited by the technology itself and the studio equipment used to record and manufacture current media.
tamiasthechipmunk 1 month ago
@tamiasthechipmunk That is an entirely subjective question as it would depend on the purchasers perception of the value of the improvement combined with the purchasers ability to pay for the improvement. Even if the improvement were psycho-acoustic it is still real to that person rather like the placebo effect so again the value of that improvement is a personal thing. I have heard some of the most expensive turntables and they do improve the sound (to my perception)
cannissolis 2 weeks ago
some say the old BSR record changers are more superior, but what do they know?
jogmas12 1 month ago
The purpose of 4 tonearms is that every tonearm and cartridge produces a different sound.One might be better for midrange another for voice,one is better for jazz another for classical.I hope that helps.
david9moran 2 months ago
Yes, someone please explain the purpose of having 4 tonearms!
861147 2 months ago
Nice but not 64k nice. I'll take a CD player in a new Corvette any day.
Gloobner 3 months ago
100% Vinyl Record ,wots is music one ?
AXIMIX1 3 months ago
so can all 4 needles actually work at once?
PrankZabba 4 months ago
0:24 - O_O;; I sang that in 3rd grade! Back when I knew French, too o.o
DarkBallYE 4 months ago
ive seen these before, and i cant help wondering if it serves any special function other than looking like something from the 80s Tron or just to look awesome and re-invent the wheel... does it at least reduce wear/tear on vinyl?
static1994 4 months ago
@static1994 A good cartridge in a suitable setup will reduce record wear and tear a little but mostly a good deck/arm will just improve the information retrieval quality and be less affected by dust clicks, rumble and similar distractions
cannissolis 2 months ago
@cannissolis I see... thank you. Do you know of any products that might help me restore my records? I hear tons of dust and debris in the grooves and i am almost certain its not the needle or tone arm in any fashion that causes the static. is there a cloth or brush that will help me clean them?
static1994 2 months ago
@static1994 he best way I know of to clean records is a purpose built vacuum cleaning machine with the proprietary cleaning fluid, I use an Okki Nokki machine although there are several similar machines on the market, this type of machine even tends to improve the sound of records that appear clean but have been around a few years, if the replay system is good enough. I am sure you know never use tap water as the minerals will deposit in the grooves as it drys.
cannissolis 2 months ago
@cannissolis Actually, I wasn't aweare of any of that. I tried to clean a record with the tap water as a test, and it seemed to work out well, but i haven't done it since. I'd rather get proper cleaning materials, which seem like a better idea now that you have informed me of mineral deposits in the grooves. Do you know where I might be able to get an Okki Nokki machine or something of the like?
static1994 2 months ago
@static1994 you can also mix your own cleaning fluid with distilled water isopropanol and optionally a tiny amount of a non foaming surfactant or wetting agent such as ethylene glycol, a good quality decorators paint brush to work it into the grooves and plenty of distilled water to rinse, with lots of patience and elbow grease, but a cleaning machine will still do it better.
cannissolis 2 months ago
@cannissolis Id rather obtain a cleaning machine if you say it works better. In the tap water, how large of a risk are the minerals on the Vinyl? Ive cleaned one or two records with tap water, and now i'm a bit worried...
static1994 2 months ago
@static1994 Re. tap water mineral deposit risk. How bad the deposit will depend on the water in your area. The mineral deposit will manifest as a background scratchy hiss it may not be detected easily depending on ear/system bandwidth, but your stylus will certainly wear much faster as it is being dragged through limescale lined grooves and will be difficult to remove once played. I bought my Okki Nokki from Emporium hifi in the UK but a google search will show dealers for cleaners.
cannissolis 2 months ago
@cannissolis Okay, that might explain why my Journey album sounds a bit dull. It sounds like wavelengths being passed through a closed filter on a synthesizer, (thats the best comparison i can make.)
As for the cleaner, ill give that some looking over. Can they get rid of mineral deposits in the grooves?
static1994 2 months ago
@static1994 Yes but you may have to clean it more than once.
WALKABOUT2K 2 months ago
@static1994 sorry I replied on a friends computer so walkabout2k is from me
cannissolis 1 month ago
@cannissolis No worries. in that case, would it be best to clean them with fluid, let them dry, then use the okki nokki? How reliable is the okki nokki machine? have you ever found any faults with it?
static1994 1 month ago
@static1994 I have had my machine around 7 years and loaned it to friends it has not gone wrong yet, I have only had to replace the felts on the vacuum arm which are inexpensive, and buy more fluid. The records are cleaned and vacuumed wet , the vacuuming nearly dries them and they are dry and can be played a couple of minutes later.
cannissolis 1 month ago
@cannissolis Sounds like a worthy investment... How many records can you clean on one bottle of fluid?
static1994 1 month ago
@static1994 Can't say I counted but as the concentrate is diluted in de-ionized water I would guess around a couple of hundred, but definitely a worthy investment for any body serious about looking after their records and stylus and good sound. I have never regretted buying mine.
cannissolis 1 month ago
@cannissolis Well, I am DEFINETLY serious about Maximizing the life and sound, and the way you describe it sounds like the perfect way.I better start saving some money.
What measurement of fluid are you supposed to use? (tablespoon, etc.) Where do you pour the fluid? Do you apply it directly to the record or is there a pump?
Any other tips? (storage of records, other care methods, Record player care, etc.)
static1994 1 month ago
@static1994 Fluid is applied directly to record surface with squeezy bottle when on machine, the amount is not critical as long as whole surface is wetted, it is spread with a felt pad and then vacuumed off. Other tips, if you have a dry room and suffer static at the deck, then keep a bowl with a wet sponge near to raise the local humidity, this will help reduce static buildup due to increased conductivity, quality sleeves, stored vertically, platter bearing full of oil (if oil brg)
cannissolis 1 month ago
@static1994 also use artists paintbrush camel or sable or synthetic version, to remove lint ball from stylus, setting stylus position/alignment is critical to reduce distortion so would recommend a dr feickert protractor as it is the only one I have found that reliably gets it spot on expensive but worth it. Rewire old tonearms (pref silver) as the wire is so thin it oxidizes and really kills the sound, old arms sound much better (more open and alive) after a rewire.
cannissolis 1 month ago
@cannissolis My record player is only about 5 or 6 years old, and reproduces good sound quality, so im not to worried about that part. Besides, im not sure how to exchange the tone arm or cartridge with another one.
I had heard of another cleaner called Spin Cleaner... Have you used it? If so, what was your take?
static1994 1 month ago
@static1994 Spin cleaner is a mechanical only cleaning process and is an automated version of what you can do by hand with cleaning solution and a felt cleaning pad, it doesn't use a vacuum to suck the dirt and fluid out of the groove, so it is a bit like the difference between brushing your carpet or vacuuming it I have used other vacuuming machines belonging to friends they all work well I chose the Okki Nokki beacuse it was less expensive than the competition and did the same job.
cannissolis 1 month ago
@cannissolis I see... I wonder if it would be more beneficial to vacuum the record first, apply the fluid, and vacuum it again... what do you think?
Ive heard some rumors about using Woodglue to get the dirt out of a record. Basically apply the glue to the grooves, wait for it to dry, and peel it off carefully. Its supposed to work wonders... What is your take on it?
static1994 2 weeks ago
@static1994 I'm all for experimentation let me know which m.o, works best on the record cleaner. I just follow the instructions which give me excellent results and discussed previously. Regarding PVA glue, I think it would be messy and fiddly and it would worry me in case some was left behind in the groove, if you try it please reply again with your results.
cannissolis 2 weeks ago
Next, the 2 million dollar steam powered car with a 99mph top speed. What progress.
akirafactor 5 months ago 2
@akirafactor well that would be retrograde as steam cars were doing over 120 mph a hundred years ago and got banned from racing by the racing body as they always beat petroleum i.c. cars. funnily enough the racing body was funded by the oil industry.
cannissolis 2 months ago
@akirafactor and after that, Graham Bell's Telephone.
static1994 2 months ago
im getting 1
MrDemilord 5 months ago
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I think it is quite ugly.
scrunts666 5 months ago
Please tell me the title, the composer and the artist of the 2nd part of this video (0:45...1:17)?
Thanks mikee0815
mikee0815 5 months ago
i got this turntable for me is the best of turntables, now i bought a new Brazilian hi definition vacuum tube Phono stage Audio Engine the sound quality of this phono stage is incredible natural and clean, better than my Jeff Rowland phono stage
guimbadriver 6 months ago
Whats the purpose of having four tone arms?
jblucio3177 7 months ago
@jblucio3177 Other systems for different type of music ; )
FelSound 7 months ago
holy shit! finally a turntable more expensive then that laser one
RobertC19850209 8 months ago
@RobertC19850209 "than", not "then."
tripjet999 8 months ago
@RobertC19850209 A more expensive one is the Clearaudio Statement, or one of the top-end Transrotor turntables.
acesuss 8 months ago
@acesuss my question is does the performance justify the price?
RobertC19850209 8 months ago
@RobertC19850209 only if you had ridiculously good speakers (ie mbl 101 extremes), but for any speakers under 100k and any amp under 20k its probably a waste of money :p
I think, like most things these days, things like the mbls and clearaudio statement, are just for the sake of saying 'mine is better than yours'. Fractionally better but twice the price
acesuss 8 months ago
@acesuss yeah, my gf has recently taken to collecting vinyl, and she bought herself one of those laser systems for $20,000 in a way that is better then the player in the video because she can play a record as many times as she wants and it will never wear out. i even gave her my copy of thriller that is severly scratched to the point where i can't go 3 seconds anywhere on the record without skipping, she can play it with no skipping, there is however a lot of pop and click though
RobertC19850209 8 months ago
@RobertC19850209 If she's that damn rich, MARRY HER!
smackbookpro 5 months ago
@smackbookpro yeah, i am going to
RobertC19850209 5 months ago
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@smackbookpro yeah, i am going to
RobertC19850209 5 months ago
OK fine if you like to stare at your record player, than fine ok call it F-Art. I like to use my turntable and spin and scratch records. I'm allowed to have my opinion, and it looks like a Rube Goldberg machine.
mandaltby 9 months ago
These record players plain silly and made for rich fools that have less sense than money. Technics 1200's and other direct drive turntables are the Ferraris' of turntables. This silly Rube Goldberg machine cant be spun or scratched, its a Rolls Royce not a Ferrari. lol Like a hot chick that you live with as roommate and cant bang. Bringing up the point of whats the point, if its a turntable u cant scratch, than why have it.
mandaltby 10 months ago
@mandaltby People also *LISTEN* for the sound of vinyl/analog. I have a turntable and I don't scratch it. I'm certain this table blows away the sound quality of any Technics.
lowfirepierce 10 months ago 2
@mandaltby why not burn down a museum of art, most of that stuff does nothing either and costs way too much. I know, lets BAN art in all its forms so we can be closer to the utopian society we all deserve imposed on us...
Bluudclaat 9 months ago
@mandaltby If you scratch it, it will be marked up and ugly
tripjet999 8 months ago
@mandaltby
Would you make the argument:
Why have the top-of-the-line Enzo Ferrari if it can't do motocross?
.
If you want to scratch records, then stick with the junk.
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If you want to have superior reproduction of music, then tables like this perform that function.
NoEgg4u 5 months ago
a work of art!!! record cleaners take care of clicks and pops, not turntable
grabngonuts 11 months ago
Very nice - but it doesn't eliminate the clicks and pops.
123sheepdip 1 year ago
@123sheepdip I have a shitty record player with less cracks and pops
I bet this guy doesn't clean his records worth shit.
plasterofparisify 8 months ago
Nothing a good Technics with a good cartridge will do
If you spend more than $1,000 on a table you are a sucker, and maybee 300 bucks on a crtrige
mandaltby 1 year ago
@mandaltby LOL .... probably a grand wont even buy a third of these awesome turntable....
psykoman2004 10 months ago
beautiful work of art you got yourself there
immadodgeguy 1 year ago
Tafelrunde primo ?
chrissyman77 1 year ago
i pay this worth in this turntable ,,,,
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guimbadriver 1 year ago
I wish my stereo could sound like that - oh, wait a minute, I'm listening to this $64k record player through a $500 laptop's internal speakers - oops. It's funny the tricks your mind will play on you, and Cantate Domino will make anything sound good. I'd love to hear it in person.
louisxiiii 1 year ago
Wow,what a neat record player! I t sounds marvellous,and it looks good too,but costs and absolute fortune!
oviwolf 3 years ago
That's neat, looks and sounds great. How on earrth did you afford this? Also am I seeing things, or does it have more than one tonearm?
CoolDudeClem 3 years ago
from the looks of it it looks like may have an extra tone arm for 78 rpm records!!
sopaman1234 2 years ago
I read about this unit on CNN too. Interesting concept, but SO expensive! I'll stick with my Technics "close n' play" direct drive unit.
clydesight 3 years ago