Holland paid the highest price for its past, namely multiculturalism, and the tsunami of colored freeloaders that came to harass our country. The white taxpayers are the slaves of this era!
There are no facts in this video, just allegations!
The vast wealth of Frederik Hendrik and later stadtholders was generated largely from possession of large estates throughout Europe and the VOC. Furthermore, king Willem II died poor and palaces, art and other possessions had to be sold. The present fortune of the royal family (estimated € 1 billion) was earned after that by investment in industry and absolutly not slave trade.
What goes around comes around, especially for the Dutch. Now you're country is being overrun by crazy Muslims (Theo Van Gogh?) The Dutch were ruthlessly cruel and brutal in slavery and colonization (Java, South Africa) and their descendants the Belgians were even worse (Kongo, Rwanda). Your country got overrun in in FIVE days by Hitler! The Zulu held off the British longer than that! You all also caused the greatest air disaster ever (Tenerife) and lost the best piece of land (New York City).
Uit geschiedenis is elke hebberig en succesvol koningrijk op zware en onwettelijk exploitatie gebouwd. China tot Europese koningrijke tot USA tot Iran. En het is alleen een handvol mensen die dan de macht hebben. Die mensen zijn de kwaadse mensen ter wereld maar toch worden ze geeerd.
I am a proud Dutch man. such a small country, yet so known and powerful at that time( especially in trade) Holland also ruled New York, and discovered a lot. slavery was normal at that time, the Dutch werent the only with slavery...people should also stfu about Sinterklaas and slavery. it's a happy tradition for all kids, where nationality doesnt matter.
Holland paid the highest price for its past, namely multiculturalism, and the tsunami of colored freeloaders that came to harass our country. The white taxpayers are the slaves of this era!
@perp1exed If you don't have any arguments or knowledge just someone a racist and you belong to the left wing elite wankers that want to sell out our country to their pathetic left wing scam called multiculturalism!! #FAIL!!
@TWITVB: awww you send me messages calling me a left wing traitor...
How sweet of you, maybe you should move to the USA. As you seem oblivious to the fact that we aren't big on patriotism in this country. Can you spell Paardelul! :)
@latinosiempre Well, I'm proud of my small country's history. At least we made good money transporting all the black people to work as slaves. If we didn't do it another country would have.
Behave, or i send Zwarte Piet and the other slaves to your house, hahahaha..... Why you just don't say , i'm racist and proud ,and that's it. this is the internet you can be openly racist here, your neger co-workers won't find out about it.
I happen to know why the estimated net worth is so high. One of the largest oil companies in the world is Royal Dutch Shell. The royal family historically has had a very large share of this company, which is governed by some holding agency. Also, the family is rather big.
And I quote you "You had the work hard but life wasn't that bad at al you would receive food and shelter at the end of the day." "A starved cow won't produce milk. Same goes up for humans" I guess your people didn't have it that bad. Or do you have double standards in which you measure the amount of suffering?
For what do they have to apologize? They haven't committed any crime nor are any of those slaves still alive to day.
I've seen documentaries about slave farms and relatives told that their ancestors had quite a good life although they had to work 13 hr or more a day they had a decent life.. A starved cow wont produce milk. Same goes up for us humans.
@patrick10001 It's a matter of admitting to the crimes your ancestors did. And they commit crimes you just don't hear about it in the mainstream media, come on they own Shell and are all behind the wars of today to get more oil. See they even make documentaries showing how slavery wasn't that bad and you believe it.
@Sood81 The slaves in Surinam dint had it that bad but they weren't treated like shit like you think.. A cripple horse wont transport simple. The slave owners had to pay for their slaves you won't treat your property like crap because a sick slave won't work! I know people who are decent from slaves and they told me the same story! You had the work hard but life wasn't that bad at al you would receive food and shelter at the end of the day.
@Sood81 And I won't say sorry to no negro for crimes against men I haven't committed! The complainers are always Afro-Americans you Americans should give them a fair change!
About the Dutch queen/r I wouldn't give a f** if you would wipe her of the face of the earth! Shell multinational bad! Bad! BAD! Now you go back and watch some more Zeitgeist movies and mug on the comment page!
Well, I guess it is not socially accepted to tell the truth about slavery in Surinam. And I'm talking about Surinam
@patrick10001 Can't you read. I didn't say the Dutch people have to say sorry. It's the royal family that profited the most, you are just a middle class worker. And just because some were treated less bad than others doesn't mean they all were. Ask yourself how do you get people to work on your land and then take their hard labor for yourself? You think they didn't had a gun pointed at their heads if they tried to leave? You think they wouldn't have been hunted down.
@patrick10001 You people are horrible people if you are defending slavery and saying it wasn't that bad and then saying you aren't racist. And I'm not American.
@Sood81 Of course it was a bad thing to do! But don't blame slavery on us! Only a few families actually profit from slavery! And by the way you have to blame Holland and Zeeland! Because The Netherlands wasn't even formed back then. And I'am not a "middle class worker" I can assume you that.
Tell me how do you keep your slaves healthy? Since healthy slaves are harder workers. And back then a slave would cost 70/250 gulden that was a lot of money back then! If you only imaging that 50 years -
@Sood81 ago a Dutch house would cost 3K/5k just imagine how expensive slaves where for that period of time. For that period of time the vast majority of the inhabits of The Netherlands life wasn't much better than that from a slave in Surinam at least they could expect food at the end of the day.
And please study the detention of a "racist" since i'm not talking about a race just about slavery. Slavery dosn't belong to the Africans only! Just to inform you that i'm 100% Jewish we where -
@Sood81 I won't say that doesn't make or can make me a racist but just to let you know that I'm also decent from people who where used as slaves and misused, haunted for their believes or blamed for killing the holy Son of an imaginary man in the sky.
I'm not approving slavery in any way, shape, or form! But if it's about the facts than I will be totally honest and if you want to life in your delusional social accepted dream be my guest! And sure think whatever you want but I'm NOT a racist.
@patrick10001 Of course you are not racist. I dare not call anyone who has ancestors who killed the holy son racist. For god may punish me for saying anything against his chosen ones.
facism isent tolerated in the netherlands you tool.racism isent either but ofcourse like everywhere in the world it happens for everybody is a bit prejuidice.
@sitvisjes He never said it is tolerated. He said they still have the mentality. Just because the government doesn't 'tolerate' racism doesn't mean the people aren't racist. Just look at 'Sinterklaas en zwarte piet' (Dutch holiday with a white old man with is black helper) that is totally racism but Dutch people call it tradition.
"just because the government doesent't tolerate racism doesen't mean the people aren't".the other way round in some cases.the majority of dutch people wanted mauro(a young angolese asylum seeker)to stay in the netherlands but the government said'no rules are rules he has to go'.sure most people were moved by sentiment but in a rotten racist society(which according to some peoples opinions dutch society)would there even be a discussion about a black young man?
@sitvisjes I never said immigrants with the same background wouldn't want to live in the same neighbourhood. I said some 'white' neighbourhoods don't want immigrants moving in there, even one immigrant is already too many. I never said I was superior. I said you can't call racism being 'A BIT prejudice'.
@sitvisjes And the only reason this story is even in the news is because he has white foster parents. If he was with his black family in the Netherlands and they all had to go back or he had black foster parents it wouldn't have been in the news. The boy has his mother in Angola yet he doesn't want to go back because he has a comfortable life in the Netherlands.
it was in the news because his mother gave it a lot of attention.there are more cases like his that nobody knows about...yes it is sad!if people know the whole story it might change their view.i know a lot of dutch people who say;we can't let more people into the netherlands,it's overpopulated!but if they know their story it might change their perception.
@sitvisjes I don't know why you keep defending Dutch people and going against every little negative thing someone has to say about the Dutch. You k n o w a l o t of Dutch people that say it's overpopulated, tell me why are they saying this? Is it because they want you to stop having babies or is it because they don't want anymore immigrants entering the country.
they are saying that it's populated because it IS populated.come on now if you live in the netherlands you know that.it's overpopulated even if there wasent 1 immigrant coming,let alone 15.000 immigrants per year and not as many people migrating.i dont know why i cant defend dutch people if i can back up my arguments.you can give arguments saying i'm bullshitting that's how it works in a discussion.
@sitvisjes Why not bring his mom and family to the Netherlands? I'm sure Dutch people wouldn't want that but one little boy can stay with his white family. I've seen him talking about his mother, he looks like he doesn't even care about his black momma. She made him have a better childhood in the Netherlands and now he doesn't even want to go back to her. How ever you look at it it's sad.
@sitvisjes Some Dutch people don't want to send their kids to 'black' school because it's filled with immigrants. Some neighbourhoods don't want immigrants or 'too many' immigrants moving into their neighbourhoods. Companies who rather hire Dutch people than immigrants. I can go on and on.
you're pointing the fingers at the dutch only for not wanting too many immigrants moving into their neighbourhood.from my experience there are a lot of immigrants who feel more comfortable around people of their own background too!again not debating if it's wrong or right just stating a fact.a discussion wheter ethnocentrism is racism isent solving anything.
you gotta understand where im coming from.i'm not talking it down,i meant that everybody and i do mean everybody in the world is prejudice which can only conclude its human nature.i can assume you are a moral superior human being who is prejudicefree but im not living in a dreamworld.the challenge in life is however to keep as free from racism sexism etc.
Normally, I do not engage with stupidity or ignorance of bliss. Reading some of the statements below I find that there has been nothing to learned. As a black American those slaves are my ancestors. If we had learned from this barbaric and inhumane behavior
It was wrong then and it is wrong now, and no one needed to tell the Dutch, the Portuguese, the English, the Spaniards and any other group of people that dissipated in the capture, murder , rape and imprisonment of the people did no wrong to anyone. finally, history can teach us nothing, because we have not learned anything.
People are not really part of an ethnicity. You may share a language but people of Dutch origin are not responsible for the actions of small corporations.
The dutch should not be ashamed. One has to put the slavery of this time into historical context. it was practised everywhere by everyone and was regarded as normal, even by many cultures within africa
Back in the days using slaves was the right and normal thing to do, people didn't know any better. I'm proud of our small country to make a lot of money out of it. If we didn't do it, another country would have shipped them in. If was a different time which can not be compared to the world we know now.
@dutchzor33 I can understand that You're proud of your nation and it's success, but to actually say that your proud of the method they used to become rich:S that's just wrong. It's as if your saying that it's a good thing the dutch got the idea to treat people like items before everyone else did. I'm from that Tiny little Island where all those slaves were shipped off to. It might be a small dark period in dutch history, but to be honest this is the ONLY history Curacao currently has.
@bboypyro1993 Like I said, in those times black people were items. The whole world looked at them like some kind of cattle. Why should I be ashamed of something that was a normal thing to do? Now I'm glad that people (mostly) have the same rights but hundreds of years ago that simply wasn't the case.
@marceltukss Hmm.. ja uiteindelijk zijn we welvarend geworden...dat is waar. Wat ik meer bedoelde is dat we wel intolerant waren tegenover de negroïden onder ons, ondanks we een tolerant land waren..en nog steeds zijn. Het is inderdaad ook zo wat jij zegt: Het waren andere tijden.
@marceltukss Ik ben dan ook weer niet iemand die het eens is met de stelling: Dat de schilderingen over de slavernij van de gouden koets gewist moeten worden. Dat is nl. van de week ter discussie gesteld...door: weet ik niet wie. Gelukkig en uiteraard dat onze premier het daar niet mee eens was. Het is en blijft ook een stuk geschiedenis...
The film maker doesn't claim there was a royal dutch family during the golden age, he's talking about the ancestry, and later on the royal family is in charge of the Netherlands when slave trade is still taking place. This documentary is based on facts. And FYI: the film maker is Dutch, not an American.
@simthadim These Negroes…are people who have good laws and a well-organized police; who live on good terms with the Dutch and other foreigners who come to trade among them, and to whom they show a thousand marks of friendship." Olfert Dapper, a Dutchman in 1622 (Befriending your people is was thier biggest mistake)
These Negroes…are people who have good laws and a well-organized police; who live on good terms with the Dutch and other foreigners who come to trade among them, and to whom they show a thousand marks of friendship." Olfert Dapper, a Dutchman in 1622 (Befriending these bastards was their biggest mistake)
@ChrisHekman,No European bought any slaves!It's like accusing theJewish Kapo's in Conc.Camps who'd to do whatever it took to survive as nazi-collaborators!Go to Leiden Museum&ask for anAkan king who was decapitated by theDutch b'cos he captured&killed a Dutch governor(slaves raider) in his cities! KingTerrifon ofDahomey was exiled by the french toElba,AkanKing Prempe was exiled toSechelles&Queen Y.Asantewaa was exiled toSt.Helena!All were fighting to stop Euro.MilitarySlave capture! documented!
Fuck your dictionary. English is not the end all. The book itself was written under the ideas of racist, colonial, male hyper-conservative WASPs. Racism is the exertion of power based on race, color or creed. Just because I don't like White people doesn't make me a racist. It makes me a bigot. Now if I own a business and REFUSE to hire Whites...well then I would be using my power to stop their opportunity. This is what racism is. It was institutionalized in the U.S. but who?
The Slavic countries are currently rich in resources such as oil, plutonium and coal. They also operated under the Soviet Regime. Just because Russia caved in doesn't mean the Slavic states of the former USSR didn't have their own dough.
haha And what about the Jews , they were the biggest slave traders,you dont hear anything about jewish slave traders and they were allot more then the dutch.
If you think the money is gone, you need better course on economics. What was done with the money from The Transatlantic Slave Trade money and profits was done with most any money when it comes in large sums...it was invested.
The countries of Europe are still around and doing pretty well for themselves aren't they? I'd say its not gone at all then...it was simply invested.
Many Europeans and their descendants should know this history, not so you can give some reparations, but so the greed and inhumanity of the past is not repeated.
@LibertaerUeberAlles Slavery was mainly in Jewish hands. It was Jewish cruelty, Jewish racism, and Jewish greed. VOC was founded by Jews. Dutch are infamous for absurd feminism, free drugs and porn trade, contempt for Christian culture, and general rudeness, lack of courtesy and good manners.
I think you mostly describe Amsterdam. People in the rest of Holland have a rather conservative mentality. Just go a few km to, e.g., Haarlem, and you'll start to see the difference.
But yeah, now Zionist media masters "shame" the Dutch and other Europeans into paying reparations to African countries -- reparations money that will certainly be funneled into Zionist commercial enterprises. In other words, it won't even help its intended recipients.
@LibertaerUeberAlles jewish organisations should pay reparations themselves, they did damage in the first place. Netherlands is an example of how things go wrong with brainwash. Netherlands people build South Africa, richest society of the African continent. With many black people enjoying this wealth and opportunities. In fact, life standard in SA, being 5 times higher compared to other African countries, in times of Apartheid, black immigration to SA was very popular.
This is fuking stupid. Nobody still has money from the slave trade. And it is digusting to insinuate the current royal family and the current country of the netherlands ows their fortunes to slave trade. Our current wealth eclipses the slave trade wealth. We became a banking / trading / science country in the late mid 20th century.
And why apologise? Do i need to apologise for the mistakes of my parents?
No one needs your apology. It is important for you to know still. No one is trying to shame you, but the problem is your lack of knowledge. How much does ANY White know of the Slave Trade? You should be able to talk about it. Many Europeans and European Americans have this sense of anger when it is talked about...I think it is their shame for being ignorant to the subject, not for what happened...be eager to learn of your missteps as well as your accomplishments.
@HaloedG My comment was the on unbased assumption that the current netherlands is rich because of slave trade. But if you completely want to disregard that and only respond to the last sentence... ok lets d that.
What does being "White" have to do with having knowledge about the slave trade. I am a avid reader of dutch colonial history including slavery. Which is also the reason i get angry when i watch these type of inaccurate and misleading movies.
@HaloedG Actually that makes it less skewed. Because they did not think it was wrong they didnt have to cover anything up. There are vast amounts logs, papers and letters detailing how they got the slaves, who they sold them to etc etc. But this movie completely leaves out that 1 we bought those slaves from black people, 2 slavery was normal back then. And also insinuating the royal family is rich because of slavery is just laughable.
almost every nation in Europe did slave trade at that point, and almost nation had a triangle route. So to blame that the Dutch for any part of slavery is steep. The leading traders of slaves were the British. I know that this is wrong the slavery but to blame a single nation for this terrible point in time for it is wrong as well, no nation can be blamed, only the people of all the nation can be blamed
@saurabhdelft Ironically India's economy, social structure, governance and development was at its peak in the Maurya and Gupta times. Those were times when the social apartheid (caste) system was very staunch and the kings had imperial designs. I don't see a Republic India achieving the same global stature that nations like imperial India, Egypt and Persia once had.
How do you explain that? It does not seem to me that a strongly fascist structure is so bad for a nation's progress, is it?
@saurabhdelft I am not a Dutch. In fact, racially you and I could be the same for I hail from the sub-continent too. I'm assuming that you are a student of T U Delft here. So, it's not very becoming of you to live in The Netherlands and complain about their histroy of slavery. Especially, since slavery is a universal fact and the caste system of your own religion endorses it.
No one's hands are clean, mate and "peace-loving" Hindus are not exceptions. That is life and domination = survival.
@Imrankniazi ..I do not know the God you mean but the God every one know and I know is the one that created all men in his own image and besides human civilization started in Africa and they didnt nt dehumanise europeans . It also interesting to know that Darwin who taught he was superioir had children who died prematurely..i wonder what's superioir about that.....nuff said
@saurabhdelft Saurabh, that is the way the world works. Life feeds on life. Boo hoo hoo. The Dutch made a thrifty trade of doing what every group has been doing since time immemorial. It was certainly a golden age (from their point of view) and they have every right to be proud. Obviously, it wasn't a great time for the slaves.
Speaking of pride, do you celebrate Dusshera? Do you mind telling the audience here that it essentially is the celebration of a (mythological) war victory?
@saurabhdelft And we should perhaps take this discussion through personal messages, because I think we are just cluttering up this movie about historical slave trading with a perhaps never ending discussion about Saint Nicholas...
@saurabhdelft ? *sigh* This is going nowhere... I agree we have to clean up or explain, pick one story and go with it, but I don't agree that the only one story is the one connected to slavery. Let me ask now for the third time.. give me a link to the research of NiNsee that shows what they have found, because all you do is saying that other researchers are sycophants and I haven't seen any backup from your side.. There ARE a lot of different stories and they are not all from sycophants.
@saurabhdelft Well, until I saw you linking this to slavery, I've never thought of it in that way as surely most Dutch don't. As for calling all historians that has researched the story of Saint Nicholas and didn't connect it straight with slavery sycophants??? One might think, the pot calling the kettle black, you didn't gave me a link to NiNsee's research about this?
You also might want to see/listen to this guy: watch?v=3EgeoQKm_s0
This history makes me really proud to be Dutch but it is a shame that only the nobility
and the royal inbred mutants profited from the slave trade while the poverty stricken malnourished common people had to live in atrocious unsanitary conditions filled with disease and filth. That was the Golden Age, the dark history the commoners, the tax slaves, will never be taught in school.
@saurabhdelft Hmm ok, I've been scourging internet about all kinds of different histories of Saint Nicholas and I guess the story I was taught really was not the only one. It might as well be Wōden/Odin with black helpers that are most likely his black ravens turned human (this custom was before the catholic took over). Or an other story where Saint Nicholas bought an Ethiopian slave free and that Ethiopian decided to stay with Saint Nicholas of his own will. And so are many more stories.. :S
@saurabhdelft dude, queensday is just about having fun. i personally dont give a crap about the queen. and i really dont think the royal family approves of what their ancestors have done.
they were convinced their god was ok with it.
i really hate the wealth in the golden age came partly from slavery.. but they were brave man, they just grew up thinking it was ok to hold slaves. i blame religion.
@saurabhdelft It's not something I've invented. It's the story I found and was told when researching about the celebration of Saint Nicholas years ago. A lot of stuff got mixed in the original story though and yeah some racial degrading stuff got in there that really doesn't belong there. It needs to be cleaned up and put right. Moorish people came from N-Africa. Please point me towards the article(s) where Artwell Cain gives his opinion / findings, I got a overload of Google-hits on his name.
I would like to see Netherland clearing this up, because the world does get the wrong idea of this. Nice idea would be to give the head Moor (Hoofdpiet) a beautiful black stallion to ride next to Saint Nicholas as a more obvious equal.
Zwarte Piet is actually a representation of the black nobles that lived in the south of Spain (Moors) that helped Saint Nicholas. Yeah, true the nowadays zwarte pieten don't really act like nobles, more like crazy children, but they still dress in the clothes of the Moorish nobles from that time which they still represent.. The Moors where NO slaves, they where nobles.. as in RICH.
First of all: Get your facts straight! Who are killing nowadays? E.g. extremist who want to force their believes on others (read: terrorists). Those can be found mostly in the middle east & Asia.
Second of all: who is being racists? YOU! You are hating a group of people (because of nationality & ethnic group) which makes you BY DEFINITION a racist (read a dictionary)!
I'm not proud of the slavery which happened 200 (!) YEARS AGO, but you cannot judge ppl on history that far.
@simthadim I know it was 200 year but still think you people are Racist with the shit you talk so how can you say am Racist i live in England and white people Racist from time N***ER to
People will always kill each other, it is in the nature of humans, even today. Ppl on both sides of a war fail to see what their are doing.
For instance now you fail (miserably!) to see that non-Europeans kill (perhaps) much more than Europeans do. So stop speaking shit on Youtube at a history video.. it might not be pretty history but at least no we know better and treat ppl better (or are willing to do). Something for instance Iran&china must still learn.
Assuming I understand your meaning well. You'r asking whow we know your not the victim of the slavetrade we did?
Uhm... Maybe because it happened 200-300 years ago?
So unless your that old. Which I doubt for some strange reason. You are no more a victim of the slave trade then we are responsible. Now our forefathers were responsible. And yours were victims. Okay. To that I agree. But don't pretend like YOU yourself are the victim here. Because by doing that YOU disrespect your ownpeople
Do know that the slaves were treated better than the crews on board. Slaves were worth money. Crew wasn't. That 20% death rate wasn't out of cruelty or malice. The death rate on board those ships was just as high for the crew, if not higher. It was due to a lack knowledge of hygiene. Still, horrible business.
@DTGRed LOL! Nice inferiority complex you have there. What do you feed it? Oh I know, a healthy diet of BULLSHIT perhaps? Why don't you just stop bitching about what happened 200 years ago. Europeans today have just as much to do with the slave trade as you do. Which is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Just be glad they abolished it, or you would still be picking cotton and calling me ''master''. You racist asshole.
@evildeathmonkey1 you people are funny and who Bitching i can't say what i want some of the shit you people were saying Dogshit and i do think Racist cunts like you should Fuck off can tell shit
"Dark chapter" is a relative outlook. Dutch people had the upper hand and they wielded power over sub-Saharan Congoid people. Of course for the Black Africans who were transported, it was a bad thing, but from Holland's point of view it was great.
That's LIFE for you, folks! Inflicting pain on one man is another man's vocation! My only point is NEVER complain when you get the same done back to you in some other way, form or in some other era. Cheers!
Yeah we were the one that traded much in slaves, but we werent the only one at all, many arabic and other european countries did it too. And we treated them bad, but many other countries treated them worse.
"Black page of Dutch history". I don't know one person who ever thinks about slavery. It made us rich, who cares. We are good in 1 thing: making money.
@Fruitkok89 Over de lijken van anderen , who cares misschien kost het ooit jouw slagenzwepen op je rug lekker littekens zal je mooi staan . Lekker op het strand in je bikini of zo showen .neeh zwarte mensen hebben jullie welvaart gegeven en je welbespraaktheid zeker niet blanken zelf, bezit weelderigheid rijkdom vind het niet mooi staan bij de blanke ..Staat je beetje beetje armoedig .past niet geheel bij je!!! bitterheid plakt aan je tong .
Oh kom op! Alsof jij degene bent die die littekens op je rug heb! wordt volwassen jij zielige jongeman.
Wij kunnen niets doen aan wat onze voorvaderen deden 2 eeuwen geleden. Leef ermee. Jij bent niet degene die we hebben geslagen en verhandeld als vee. Dat waren je voorouders. Op dezelfde manier dat wij niets kunnen doen aan wat de onze deden kun jij niet teren op wat wij met hun hebben gedaan. Dat is namelijk gewoon zielig op de lange termijn en werkt alleen averechts.
I do think this is a black page in our countries history. And I am not proud of our part in it. But we cannot change what is done.
But it was the standard of the time. People need to remember to keep sight of the timeframe. Doesn't make it good by todays standards, only by the standards of that time. Again I say I am not proud of what we did. But you need to remember that little fact.
@thedutchman01 "I do think this is a black page in our countries history."
From your perspective, it was actually a very bright period. After the 80-year resistance against Spain that ended in 1648, Protestant Holland had to become a force in Europe. Remember, this was a time when imperial England had the best navy at her command and Spain and Portugal were very powerful too.
The Dutch East Indies company had to be extremely capitalistic. TA slave trade was a huge money-earner and good!
You should be. It made you a first world country when the rest of the world was suffering famines! Do you know that in the 17th century, the Dutch had even surpassed the English in naval strength and colonial expansionism. How can you, as a Dutchman, not be proud of what your ancestors achieved?
History is cruel and soaked in blood. Get used to it, cherish what your ancestors have done and make sure you don't suffer the same fate :-)
Despite the fact that the slave trade was not the big moneymaker of the dutch empire (spices from indonesia were. Made by local lords who sold it to the dutch who transported it to europe and then sold it in Amsterdam)
Ofc I am not proud of slavetrading. That is a despicable thing to do. But we in this day and age feel ourselves to be superior to the people of that age. Slavery has been a part of history eversince the very first written word. Before that probably even. Still badofc
@sickbasterd123 we only transported 5% of nowadays black people in USA. 95% was transported by other West European countries, there is not one scapegoat, and the Europeans ,nowadays Americans bought them.
@michielholland Why are you so concerned, man? The Netherlands is a first world nation today and has a splendid education system, healthcare system and overall governance.
Obviously for some nations to flourish, some have to remain poor. The planet doesn't have enough resources to ensure that all 6.75 billion of us remain well-fed and safe.
As Darwin said, the fit must survive by all means and weak genes must periodically be cleansed from the gene pool. That, in a nutshell, is EVOLUTION!
@sickbasterd123 almost al rich countrys live wel onder slave trade, nowdays it stil is going on American and outher comeny steeling oil and gold and diomonds from Africa and outher poor area;s and make a shit load of monny out of it. the world isnt nice :-( to bad do, we need to stop the shit of lands and work togehter for a bigger goal. Aslong poeple only care about themself we are al doomded
The irony is Arab muslims have been trading slaves for 1, 000 years and it is estimated that in that time arabs captured 102 000 000 black africans who were castrated and sent around the globe.
Saudi arab-or mecca, only abolished slavery in 1962.
the arabic word 'Slave', comes from european slavs, they traded over 1 000 000 to different parts of the world, but you don't hear this in racial tolorance class.
why turn to a religion that inslaved your ancestors?
@2540waves May i ask where you get your information from because the numbers you use are very unlikely because it's impossible to (consequently), not logical or profitable at all to travel through the sahara and the unknown wilderness to search for slaves and if you succeed to get them (ofcourse without them enslaving you first) transport them all the way back through the sahara and also the europeans were the only ones who limited the trading of people to their skincolour etc.
@2540waves Oh and by the way i don't see the irony since only a small part of muslims are black and it is simply impossible for a religon to enslave people since it is NOT a person you fucking dumbass. And if it was possible the religion who would have enslaved the most people would be christianity! So stfu
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Holland paid the highest price for its past, namely multiculturalism, and the tsunami of colored freeloaders that came to harass our country. The white taxpayers are the slaves of this era!
TWITVB 2 days ago
There are no facts in this video, just allegations!
The vast wealth of Frederik Hendrik and later stadtholders was generated largely from possession of large estates throughout Europe and the VOC. Furthermore, king Willem II died poor and palaces, art and other possessions had to be sold. The present fortune of the royal family (estimated € 1 billion) was earned after that by investment in industry and absolutly not slave trade.
ajvandijken 1 week ago
What goes around comes around, especially for the Dutch. Now you're country is being overrun by crazy Muslims (Theo Van Gogh?) The Dutch were ruthlessly cruel and brutal in slavery and colonization (Java, South Africa) and their descendants the Belgians were even worse (Kongo, Rwanda). Your country got overrun in in FIVE days by Hitler! The Zulu held off the British longer than that! You all also caused the greatest air disaster ever (Tenerife) and lost the best piece of land (New York City).
kaizersolze 1 month ago in playlist History Slave
@kaizersolze Smoel dicht eikel. new york hbben we verkocht niet verloren.
FreddyClapton 3 weeks ago
Uit geschiedenis is elke hebberig en succesvol koningrijk op zware en onwettelijk exploitatie gebouwd. China tot Europese koningrijke tot USA tot Iran. En het is alleen een handvol mensen die dan de macht hebben. Die mensen zijn de kwaadse mensen ter wereld maar toch worden ze geeerd.
bobbylockes 1 month ago
I am a proud Dutch man. such a small country, yet so known and powerful at that time( especially in trade) Holland also ruled New York, and discovered a lot. slavery was normal at that time, the Dutch werent the only with slavery...people should also stfu about Sinterklaas and slavery. it's a happy tradition for all kids, where nationality doesnt matter.
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THE DUTCH RULED THE SEA's!!!!!!
bovb902 2 months ago
Holland paid the highest price for its past, namely multiculturalism, and the tsunami of colored freeloaders that came to harass our country. The white taxpayers are the slaves of this era!
TWITVB 2 months ago
@TWITVB: you sad racist man...
perp1exed 2 days ago
@perp1exed Read a history book, you sad motherfucker with your multiculti racism!! FUCK YOU
TWITVB 2 days ago
@perp1exed If you don't have any arguments or knowledge just someone a racist and you belong to the left wing elite wankers that want to sell out our country to their pathetic left wing scam called multiculturalism!! #FAIL!!
TWITVB 2 days ago
@TWITVB: My knowledge stems from the education the dutch state has afforded me.
My best argument are your own words which clearly prove you are thickheaded.
- You claim multiculturalism is bad...
- You refer to people as "colored freeloaders" and "white taxpayer".
Need I say more?
- Left wing elite? Selling out the country?
I think you are getting high on American politics... better lay down the crack pipe before it kills off what's left of your neurons... Do I smell PVV?
perp1exed 2 days ago
@TWITVB: awww you send me messages calling me a left wing traitor...
How sweet of you, maybe you should move to the USA. As you seem oblivious to the fact that we aren't big on patriotism in this country. Can you spell Paardelul! :)
perp1exed 2 days ago
The Dutch are super racist
latinosiempre 3 months ago
@latinosiempre Well, I'm proud of my small country's history. At least we made good money transporting all the black people to work as slaves. If we didn't do it another country would have.
We are such entrepreneurs.
dutchzor33 2 months ago
@dutchzor33 i don't argue with nazis, i like to talk with intelligent people.
latinosiempre 2 months ago
@latinosiempre Intelligent people? Well, you compare nazi's with slave traders? I bet you are not the brightest in your family.
dutchzor33 2 months ago
Behave, or i send Zwarte Piet and the other slaves to your house, hahahaha..... Why you just don't say , i'm racist and proud ,and that's it. this is the internet you can be openly racist here, your neger co-workers won't find out about it.
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@dutchzor33 realize that the price you white people pay
is on right now hehehe im glad to now youre small country's history to and proud
to have the privilege to fock youre mothers daughters sisters and nices
surinam 4 life
foeh10 2 months ago
@latinosiempre Dont forgot this is around 200 Years ago.. ^^
wezsel11 2 months ago
@latinosiempre beautiful i'm the racist bend
TheNetherlands01 1 month ago
Is there any evidence supporting anything stated in this video?
Everything is stated as fact. I'm genuinely interested in the sources.
For instance, it is stated that the family's net worth is $7 billion, even though Forbes estimates $100 million.
Also i'm interested in actual facts regarding the slavetrading-portion of the total revenues of the West and East India Trading Companies
For the record, i'm absolutely horrified that slavetrading occured. I'm just interested in facts
TheKolentube 3 months ago
@TheKolentube
I happen to know why the estimated net worth is so high. One of the largest oil companies in the world is Royal Dutch Shell. The royal family historically has had a very large share of this company, which is governed by some holding agency. Also, the family is rather big.
Rickiksdee 3 months ago
And I quote you "You had the work hard but life wasn't that bad at al you would receive food and shelter at the end of the day." "A starved cow won't produce milk. Same goes up for humans" I guess your people didn't have it that bad. Or do you have double standards in which you measure the amount of suffering?
Sood81 3 months ago
For what do they have to apologize? They haven't committed any crime nor are any of those slaves still alive to day.
I've seen documentaries about slave farms and relatives told that their ancestors had quite a good life although they had to work 13 hr or more a day they had a decent life.. A starved cow wont produce milk. Same goes up for us humans.
patrick10001 3 months ago
@patrick10001 It's a matter of admitting to the crimes your ancestors did. And they commit crimes you just don't hear about it in the mainstream media, come on they own Shell and are all behind the wars of today to get more oil. See they even make documentaries showing how slavery wasn't that bad and you believe it.
Sood81 3 months ago
@Sood81 The slaves in Surinam dint had it that bad but they weren't treated like shit like you think.. A cripple horse wont transport simple. The slave owners had to pay for their slaves you won't treat your property like crap because a sick slave won't work! I know people who are decent from slaves and they told me the same story! You had the work hard but life wasn't that bad at al you would receive food and shelter at the end of the day.
patrick10001 3 months ago
@Sood81 And I won't say sorry to no negro for crimes against men I haven't committed! The complainers are always Afro-Americans you Americans should give them a fair change!
About the Dutch queen/r I wouldn't give a f** if you would wipe her of the face of the earth! Shell multinational bad! Bad! BAD! Now you go back and watch some more Zeitgeist movies and mug on the comment page!
Well, I guess it is not socially accepted to tell the truth about slavery in Surinam. And I'm talking about Surinam
patrick10001 3 months ago
@patrick10001 Can't you read. I didn't say the Dutch people have to say sorry. It's the royal family that profited the most, you are just a middle class worker. And just because some were treated less bad than others doesn't mean they all were. Ask yourself how do you get people to work on your land and then take their hard labor for yourself? You think they didn't had a gun pointed at their heads if they tried to leave? You think they wouldn't have been hunted down.
Sood81 3 months ago
@patrick10001 You people are horrible people if you are defending slavery and saying it wasn't that bad and then saying you aren't racist. And I'm not American.
Sood81 3 months ago
@Sood81 Of course it was a bad thing to do! But don't blame slavery on us! Only a few families actually profit from slavery! And by the way you have to blame Holland and Zeeland! Because The Netherlands wasn't even formed back then. And I'am not a "middle class worker" I can assume you that.
Tell me how do you keep your slaves healthy? Since healthy slaves are harder workers. And back then a slave would cost 70/250 gulden that was a lot of money back then! If you only imaging that 50 years -
patrick10001 3 months ago
@Sood81 ago a Dutch house would cost 3K/5k just imagine how expensive slaves where for that period of time. For that period of time the vast majority of the inhabits of The Netherlands life wasn't much better than that from a slave in Surinam at least they could expect food at the end of the day.
And please study the detention of a "racist" since i'm not talking about a race just about slavery. Slavery dosn't belong to the Africans only! Just to inform you that i'm 100% Jewish we where -
patrick10001 3 months ago
@Sood81 I won't say that doesn't make or can make me a racist but just to let you know that I'm also decent from people who where used as slaves and misused, haunted for their believes or blamed for killing the holy Son of an imaginary man in the sky.
I'm not approving slavery in any way, shape, or form! But if it's about the facts than I will be totally honest and if you want to life in your delusional social accepted dream be my guest! And sure think whatever you want but I'm NOT a racist.
patrick10001 3 months ago
@patrick10001 Of course you are not racist. I dare not call anyone who has ancestors who killed the holy son racist. For god may punish me for saying anything against his chosen ones.
Sood81 3 months ago
@Sood81 i'm not religious! I'm just using it as an example. My ancestors the Hebrews where enslaved by the Egyptians.
patrick10001 3 months ago
dutch people are still racist towards their immigrants, so history didn't change for dutch people. They are still have their mentality
erdal0 3 months ago
dutch are facist like their german neighbors. But germans atleast learned their lesson.
erdal0 3 months ago
@erdal0
facism isent tolerated in the netherlands you tool.racism isent either but ofcourse like everywhere in the world it happens for everybody is a bit prejuidice.
sitvisjes 3 months ago
@sitvisjes He never said it is tolerated. He said they still have the mentality. Just because the government doesn't 'tolerate' racism doesn't mean the people aren't racist. Just look at 'Sinterklaas en zwarte piet' (Dutch holiday with a white old man with is black helper) that is totally racism but Dutch people call it tradition.
Sood81 3 months ago
@Sood81
"just because the government doesent't tolerate racism doesen't mean the people aren't".the other way round in some cases.the majority of dutch people wanted mauro(a young angolese asylum seeker)to stay in the netherlands but the government said'no rules are rules he has to go'.sure most people were moved by sentiment but in a rotten racist society(which according to some peoples opinions dutch society)would there even be a discussion about a black young man?
sitvisjes 3 months ago
@sitvisjes I never said immigrants with the same background wouldn't want to live in the same neighbourhood. I said some 'white' neighbourhoods don't want immigrants moving in there, even one immigrant is already too many. I never said I was superior. I said you can't call racism being 'A BIT prejudice'.
Sood81 3 months ago
@sitvisjes And the only reason this story is even in the news is because he has white foster parents. If he was with his black family in the Netherlands and they all had to go back or he had black foster parents it wouldn't have been in the news. The boy has his mother in Angola yet he doesn't want to go back because he has a comfortable life in the Netherlands.
Sood81 3 months ago
@Sood81
it was in the news because his mother gave it a lot of attention.there are more cases like his that nobody knows about...yes it is sad!if people know the whole story it might change their view.i know a lot of dutch people who say;we can't let more people into the netherlands,it's overpopulated!but if they know their story it might change their perception.
sitvisjes 3 months ago
@sitvisjes I don't know why you keep defending Dutch people and going against every little negative thing someone has to say about the Dutch. You k n o w a l o t of Dutch people that say it's overpopulated, tell me why are they saying this? Is it because they want you to stop having babies or is it because they don't want anymore immigrants entering the country.
Sood81 3 months ago
@Sood81
they are saying that it's populated because it IS populated.come on now if you live in the netherlands you know that.it's overpopulated even if there wasent 1 immigrant coming,let alone 15.000 immigrants per year and not as many people migrating.i dont know why i cant defend dutch people if i can back up my arguments.you can give arguments saying i'm bullshitting that's how it works in a discussion.
sitvisjes 3 months ago
@sitvisjes Then stop having babies if it's overpopulated.
Sood81 3 months ago
@Sood81
so basiccally what you are saying is dutch people have to sacrifice their right to have children so we can let more immigrants in?
sitvisjes 3 months ago
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@sitvisjes No I'm saying even if the immigrants stop coming you won't stop having babies even though it's "overpopulated".
Sood81 3 months ago
@sitvisjes Why not bring his mom and family to the Netherlands? I'm sure Dutch people wouldn't want that but one little boy can stay with his white family. I've seen him talking about his mother, he looks like he doesn't even care about his black momma. She made him have a better childhood in the Netherlands and now he doesn't even want to go back to her. How ever you look at it it's sad.
Sood81 3 months ago
@sitvisjes Some Dutch people don't want to send their kids to 'black' school because it's filled with immigrants. Some neighbourhoods don't want immigrants or 'too many' immigrants moving into their neighbourhoods. Companies who rather hire Dutch people than immigrants. I can go on and on.
Sood81 3 months ago
@Sood81
you're pointing the fingers at the dutch only for not wanting too many immigrants moving into their neighbourhood.from my experience there are a lot of immigrants who feel more comfortable around people of their own background too!again not debating if it's wrong or right just stating a fact.a discussion wheter ethnocentrism is racism isent solving anything.
sitvisjes 3 months ago
@sitvisjes racism isn't just being "a bit prejudice". See it's your mentality, talking it down like it isn't that bad because it happens everywhere.
Sood81 3 months ago
@Sood81
you gotta understand where im coming from.i'm not talking it down,i meant that everybody and i do mean everybody in the world is prejudice which can only conclude its human nature.i can assume you are a moral superior human being who is prejudicefree but im not living in a dreamworld.the challenge in life is however to keep as free from racism sexism etc.
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The Dutch are horrible people, I'm glad to see them invaded by the muzzies.
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hp0904 3 months ago
Normally, I do not engage with stupidity or ignorance of bliss. Reading some of the statements below I find that there has been nothing to learned. As a black American those slaves are my ancestors. If we had learned from this barbaric and inhumane behavior
curtisdarby 4 months ago
It was wrong then and it is wrong now, and no one needed to tell the Dutch, the Portuguese, the English, the Spaniards and any other group of people that dissipated in the capture, murder , rape and imprisonment of the people did no wrong to anyone. finally, history can teach us nothing, because we have not learned anything.
curtisdarby 4 months ago
People are not really part of an ethnicity. You may share a language but people of Dutch origin are not responsible for the actions of small corporations.
VanostranIV 4 months ago
The dutch should not be ashamed. One has to put the slavery of this time into historical context. it was practised everywhere by everyone and was regarded as normal, even by many cultures within africa
GodOfUnbelief 4 months ago
Back in the days using slaves was the right and normal thing to do, people didn't know any better. I'm proud of our small country to make a lot of money out of it. If we didn't do it, another country would have shipped them in. If was a different time which can not be compared to the world we know now.
dutchzor33 5 months ago
@dutchzor33 I can understand that You're proud of your nation and it's success, but to actually say that your proud of the method they used to become rich:S that's just wrong. It's as if your saying that it's a good thing the dutch got the idea to treat people like items before everyone else did. I'm from that Tiny little Island where all those slaves were shipped off to. It might be a small dark period in dutch history, but to be honest this is the ONLY history Curacao currently has.
bboypyro1993 4 months ago
@bboypyro1993 Like I said, in those times black people were items. The whole world looked at them like some kind of cattle. Why should I be ashamed of something that was a normal thing to do? Now I'm glad that people (mostly) have the same rights but hundreds of years ago that simply wasn't the case.
dutchzor33 4 months ago
@dutchzor33 OMG you have a sick mind. The whole world saw them as cattle? So you are not ashamed because it was normal? racist piece of sh*t.
Sood81 3 months ago
Shame on us what we did!
dutchmen1 5 months ago
@dutchmen1
Waarom?? Door de geschiedenis zijn we nu een welvarend land
Ik zeg niet we er trots op moeten zijn
Maar het waren andere tijden
marceltukss 5 months ago
@marceltukss Hmm.. ja uiteindelijk zijn we welvarend geworden...dat is waar. Wat ik meer bedoelde is dat we wel intolerant waren tegenover de negroïden onder ons, ondanks we een tolerant land waren..en nog steeds zijn. Het is inderdaad ook zo wat jij zegt: Het waren andere tijden.
dutchmen1 5 months ago
@marceltukss Ik ben dan ook weer niet iemand die het eens is met de stelling: Dat de schilderingen over de slavernij van de gouden koets gewist moeten worden. Dat is nl. van de week ter discussie gesteld...door: weet ik niet wie. Gelukkig en uiteraard dat onze premier het daar niet mee eens was. Het is en blijft ook een stuk geschiedenis...
dutchmen1 5 months ago
The film maker doesn't claim there was a royal dutch family during the golden age, he's talking about the ancestry, and later on the royal family is in charge of the Netherlands when slave trade is still taking place. This documentary is based on facts. And FYI: the film maker is Dutch, not an American.
pleenhouts 6 months ago
theres no excuse for this but what happened happened nothing to do about it now
stoeltjes 7 months ago
@simthadim These Negroes…are people who have good laws and a well-organized police; who live on good terms with the Dutch and other foreigners who come to trade among them, and to whom they show a thousand marks of friendship." Olfert Dapper, a Dutchman in 1622 (Befriending your people is was thier biggest mistake)
ellisonwrigh60srage 8 months ago
These Negroes…are people who have good laws and a well-organized police; who live on good terms with the Dutch and other foreigners who come to trade among them, and to whom they show a thousand marks of friendship." Olfert Dapper, a Dutchman in 1622 (Befriending these bastards was their biggest mistake)
ellisonwrigh60srage 8 months ago
FUCK NAZI DUTCH!
eljaable 8 months ago
@eljaable Take a chill pill.
dutchzor33 5 months ago
@dutchzor33 I will... Bedankt dat je zo netjes geantwoord hebt...
eljaable 3 months ago
@eljaable It is Nazi Germany faggot
Gulpzwam 3 months ago
@Gulpzwam Go on playing with your tankies...Love from your faggo??? :-)
eljaable 3 months ago
@eljaable i dont play that game noob
Gulpzwam 3 months ago
@eljaable Good!! Time for you to use civilized words.. I know you can!!! Peace Gulp....
eljaable 3 months ago
@eljaable Nazi Germany, Tollerant Dutch.
Topic: Things we know not to confuse.
DanielDanteThe2nd 1 month ago
@ChrisHekman,No European bought any slaves!It's like accusing theJewish Kapo's in Conc.Camps who'd to do whatever it took to survive as nazi-collaborators!Go to Leiden Museum&ask for anAkan king who was decapitated by theDutch b'cos he captured&killed a Dutch governor(slaves raider) in his cities! KingTerrifon ofDahomey was exiled by the french toElba,AkanKing Prempe was exiled toSechelles&Queen Y.Asantewaa was exiled toSt.Helena!All were fighting to stop Euro.MilitarySlave capture! documented!
Beesahili 8 months ago
DUTCH till i die!!!
FuNkYwHiTeWiDoW 8 months ago
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SHUT THE FUCK UP OR WE WILL ENSLAVE U
rieswilgen 8 months ago 6
@FryNorth
Your argument is quite weak. Is this because I know plenty about your history and you know nothing of mine?
HaloedG 8 months ago
@simthadim
Fuck your dictionary. English is not the end all. The book itself was written under the ideas of racist, colonial, male hyper-conservative WASPs. Racism is the exertion of power based on race, color or creed. Just because I don't like White people doesn't make me a racist. It makes me a bigot. Now if I own a business and REFUSE to hire Whites...well then I would be using my power to stop their opportunity. This is what racism is. It was institutionalized in the U.S. but who?
HaloedG 8 months ago
@FryNorth
The Slavic countries are currently rich in resources such as oil, plutonium and coal. They also operated under the Soviet Regime. Just because Russia caved in doesn't mean the Slavic states of the former USSR didn't have their own dough.
HaloedG 8 months ago
haha And what about the Jews , they were the biggest slave traders,you dont hear anything about jewish slave traders and they were allot more then the dutch.
Wazztheweasel 9 months ago
@FryNorth
If you think the money is gone, you need better course on economics. What was done with the money from The Transatlantic Slave Trade money and profits was done with most any money when it comes in large sums...it was invested.
The countries of Europe are still around and doing pretty well for themselves aren't they? I'd say its not gone at all then...it was simply invested.
HaloedG 9 months ago
Many Europeans and their descendants should know this history, not so you can give some reparations, but so the greed and inhumanity of the past is not repeated.
HaloedG 9 months ago
@LibertaerUeberAlles Slavery was mainly in Jewish hands. It was Jewish cruelty, Jewish racism, and Jewish greed. VOC was founded by Jews. Dutch are infamous for absurd feminism, free drugs and porn trade, contempt for Christian culture, and general rudeness, lack of courtesy and good manners.
shetlandwool 9 months ago
@shetlandwool
I think you mostly describe Amsterdam. People in the rest of Holland have a rather conservative mentality. Just go a few km to, e.g., Haarlem, and you'll start to see the difference.
But yeah, now Zionist media masters "shame" the Dutch and other Europeans into paying reparations to African countries -- reparations money that will certainly be funneled into Zionist commercial enterprises. In other words, it won't even help its intended recipients.
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@LibertaerUeberAlles jewish organisations should pay reparations themselves, they did damage in the first place. Netherlands is an example of how things go wrong with brainwash. Netherlands people build South Africa, richest society of the African continent. With many black people enjoying this wealth and opportunities. In fact, life standard in SA, being 5 times higher compared to other African countries, in times of Apartheid, black immigration to SA was very popular.
shetlandwool 9 months ago 4
only 5% of the total slave trades was made by the Dutch so this doc. gives a wrong image of how the Dutch Republic got his wealth.
bballdaniel 9 months ago
This is fuking stupid. Nobody still has money from the slave trade. And it is digusting to insinuate the current royal family and the current country of the netherlands ows their fortunes to slave trade. Our current wealth eclipses the slave trade wealth. We became a banking / trading / science country in the late mid 20th century.
And why apologise? Do i need to apologise for the mistakes of my parents?
ChrisHekman 9 months ago
@ChrisHekman
No one needs your apology. It is important for you to know still. No one is trying to shame you, but the problem is your lack of knowledge. How much does ANY White know of the Slave Trade? You should be able to talk about it. Many Europeans and European Americans have this sense of anger when it is talked about...I think it is their shame for being ignorant to the subject, not for what happened...be eager to learn of your missteps as well as your accomplishments.
HaloedG 9 months ago
@HaloedG My comment was the on unbased assumption that the current netherlands is rich because of slave trade. But if you completely want to disregard that and only respond to the last sentence... ok lets d that.
What does being "White" have to do with having knowledge about the slave trade. I am a avid reader of dutch colonial history including slavery. Which is also the reason i get angry when i watch these type of inaccurate and misleading movies.
ChrisHekman 8 months ago
@ChrisHekman The colonial history is skewed simply for the sake that they didn't think they were doing anything wrong.
HaloedG 8 months ago
@HaloedG Actually that makes it less skewed. Because they did not think it was wrong they didnt have to cover anything up. There are vast amounts logs, papers and letters detailing how they got the slaves, who they sold them to etc etc. But this movie completely leaves out that 1 we bought those slaves from black people, 2 slavery was normal back then. And also insinuating the royal family is rich because of slavery is just laughable.
ChrisHekman 8 months ago
almost every nation in Europe did slave trade at that point, and almost nation had a triangle route. So to blame that the Dutch for any part of slavery is steep. The leading traders of slaves were the British. I know that this is wrong the slavery but to blame a single nation for this terrible point in time for it is wrong as well, no nation can be blamed, only the people of all the nation can be blamed
D3nn1s10 10 months ago
@saurabhdelft Ironically India's economy, social structure, governance and development was at its peak in the Maurya and Gupta times. Those were times when the social apartheid (caste) system was very staunch and the kings had imperial designs. I don't see a Republic India achieving the same global stature that nations like imperial India, Egypt and Persia once had.
How do you explain that? It does not seem to me that a strongly fascist structure is so bad for a nation's progress, is it?
Imrankniazi 11 months ago
@saurabhdelft I am not a Dutch. In fact, racially you and I could be the same for I hail from the sub-continent too. I'm assuming that you are a student of T U Delft here. So, it's not very becoming of you to live in The Netherlands and complain about their histroy of slavery. Especially, since slavery is a universal fact and the caste system of your own religion endorses it.
No one's hands are clean, mate and "peace-loving" Hindus are not exceptions. That is life and domination = survival.
Imrankniazi 11 months ago
Well,,...at least europe has gotten the wealth they needed with their evil hearts .It is only God who would judge them
dchikezi360 11 months ago
@dchikezi360 How can you be sure that "God" would indeed judge Europeans? I have a couple more questions.
1) What if the "God" happens to be a man of Germanic descent and willed that White Europe dominate the world to get rich?
2) Are you telling me that had the Africans or the Chinese developed guns and ships before Europe, they wouldn't have dominated the Europeans?
Our friend Darwin and his theory comes to mind here.
Imrankniazi 11 months ago
@Imrankniazi ..I do not know the God you mean but the God every one know and I know is the one that created all men in his own image and besides human civilization started in Africa and they didnt nt dehumanise europeans . It also interesting to know that Darwin who taught he was superioir had children who died prematurely..i wonder what's superioir about that.....nuff said
dchikezi360 11 months ago
@saurabhdelft Saurabh, that is the way the world works. Life feeds on life. Boo hoo hoo. The Dutch made a thrifty trade of doing what every group has been doing since time immemorial. It was certainly a golden age (from their point of view) and they have every right to be proud. Obviously, it wasn't a great time for the slaves.
Speaking of pride, do you celebrate Dusshera? Do you mind telling the audience here that it essentially is the celebration of a (mythological) war victory?
Imrankniazi 11 months ago
@klaverenvrouwke Dutch people, by and large speak better English than Americans. However I do think that the accent he's employing is redundant.
Otzmatron 11 months ago
@saurabhdelft And we should perhaps take this discussion through personal messages, because I think we are just cluttering up this movie about historical slave trading with a perhaps never ending discussion about Saint Nicholas...
Klokhuisjes 11 months ago
@saurabhdelft ? *sigh* This is going nowhere... I agree we have to clean up or explain, pick one story and go with it, but I don't agree that the only one story is the one connected to slavery. Let me ask now for the third time.. give me a link to the research of NiNsee that shows what they have found, because all you do is saying that other researchers are sycophants and I haven't seen any backup from your side.. There ARE a lot of different stories and they are not all from sycophants.
Klokhuisjes 11 months ago
@saurabhdelft Well, until I saw you linking this to slavery, I've never thought of it in that way as surely most Dutch don't. As for calling all historians that has researched the story of Saint Nicholas and didn't connect it straight with slavery sycophants??? One might think, the pot calling the kettle black, you didn't gave me a link to NiNsee's research about this?
You also might want to see/listen to this guy: watch?v=3EgeoQKm_s0
Klokhuisjes 11 months ago
This history makes me really proud to be Dutch but it is a shame that only the nobility
and the royal inbred mutants profited from the slave trade while the poverty stricken malnourished common people had to live in atrocious unsanitary conditions filled with disease and filth. That was the Golden Age, the dark history the commoners, the tax slaves, will never be taught in school.
mfap 11 months ago 2
@saurabhdelft Hmm ok, I've been scourging internet about all kinds of different histories of Saint Nicholas and I guess the story I was taught really was not the only one. It might as well be Wōden/Odin with black helpers that are most likely his black ravens turned human (this custom was before the catholic took over). Or an other story where Saint Nicholas bought an Ethiopian slave free and that Ethiopian decided to stay with Saint Nicholas of his own will. And so are many more stories.. :S
Klokhuisjes 11 months ago
@saurabhdelft dude, queensday is just about having fun. i personally dont give a crap about the queen. and i really dont think the royal family approves of what their ancestors have done.
they were convinced their god was ok with it.
i really hate the wealth in the golden age came partly from slavery.. but they were brave man, they just grew up thinking it was ok to hold slaves. i blame religion.
a word for germans honouring nazis? disgusting!
MrWaddefak 11 months ago
@saurabhdelft It's not something I've invented. It's the story I found and was told when researching about the celebration of Saint Nicholas years ago. A lot of stuff got mixed in the original story though and yeah some racial degrading stuff got in there that really doesn't belong there. It needs to be cleaned up and put right. Moorish people came from N-Africa. Please point me towards the article(s) where Artwell Cain gives his opinion / findings, I got a overload of Google-hits on his name.
Klokhuisjes 11 months ago
I would like to see Netherland clearing this up, because the world does get the wrong idea of this. Nice idea would be to give the head Moor (Hoofdpiet) a beautiful black stallion to ride next to Saint Nicholas as a more obvious equal.
Klokhuisjes 11 months ago
Zwarte Piet is actually a representation of the black nobles that lived in the south of Spain (Moors) that helped Saint Nicholas. Yeah, true the nowadays zwarte pieten don't really act like nobles, more like crazy children, but they still dress in the clothes of the Moorish nobles from that time which they still represent.. The Moors where NO slaves, they where nobles.. as in RICH.
Klokhuisjes 11 months ago
@saurabhdelft no, 'they' are not.. nobody is proud of it! and zwarte piet is not racist at all..
MrWaddefak 11 months ago
Lets just fuck evrybody and leave it behind! OK?
evanderep 1 year ago
@klaverenvrouwke because 29 out of 30 dutch channels are american.
timotje25 1 year ago
@pleenhouts then he now noving about history. because it is not treu. slave trade money is gone already.
duif463 1 year ago
aah that money is already gone form lavery because of america.
duif463 1 year ago
@RTGRed
Just watch this documentary, maybe you can learn something about Holland.
- Sex, Drugs and Democracy -
Dingesdingestoch 1 year ago
@DTGRed,
Lets agree to disagree, just keep calling me a racist and I'll keep calling you
a loser.
You not a victim because you are black, your a victim because you want to be.
Remember that
Dingesdingestoch 1 year ago
why should they apologize?
rewards007 1 year ago
@rewards007 a dnnw american paranoid and stuff maybe
koffiewolf 1 year ago
@koffiewolf american paranoid n stuff? huh?!
rewards007 1 year ago
I dn't Respect you europens were you racisd cunts go in wourd you kill and Destcroy and go on in 2011
DTGRed 1 year ago
@DTGRed
First of all: Get your facts straight! Who are killing nowadays? E.g. extremist who want to force their believes on others (read: terrorists). Those can be found mostly in the middle east & Asia.
Second of all: who is being racists? YOU! You are hating a group of people (because of nationality & ethnic group) which makes you BY DEFINITION a racist (read a dictionary)!
I'm not proud of the slavery which happened 200 (!) YEARS AGO, but you cannot judge ppl on history that far.
simthadim 1 year ago 4
@simthadim I know it was 200 year but still think you people are Racist with the shit you talk so how can you say am Racist i live in England and white people Racist from time N***ER to
DTGRed 1 year ago
@DTGRed
People will always kill each other, it is in the nature of humans, even today. Ppl on both sides of a war fail to see what their are doing.
For instance now you fail (miserably!) to see that non-Europeans kill (perhaps) much more than Europeans do. So stop speaking shit on Youtube at a history video.. it might not be pretty history but at least no we know better and treat ppl better (or are willing to do). Something for instance Iran&china must still learn.
simthadim 1 year ago 4
@DTGRed, does it feel good to be a victim?
(Stereo)type everything you want, but remember:
There will come a day that you realize that you spend your whole life
being a loser....
Greets from Holland (where the grass is greener)
Dingesdingestoch 1 year ago 2
@Dingesdingestoch From time you say that how know your the loser not me and am not Victim Racist pick of shit
DTGRed 1 year ago
@DTGRed
Assuming I understand your meaning well. You'r asking whow we know your not the victim of the slavetrade we did?
Uhm... Maybe because it happened 200-300 years ago?
So unless your that old. Which I doubt for some strange reason. You are no more a victim of the slave trade then we are responsible. Now our forefathers were responsible. And yours were victims. Okay. To that I agree. But don't pretend like YOU yourself are the victim here. Because by doing that YOU disrespect your ownpeople
thedutchman01 1 year ago 2
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DTGRed 1 year ago
@DTGRed this was over 300 years ago you stupid fuck
sander395 1 year ago
@sander395 I know that you son of a bitch
DTGRed 1 year ago
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DTGRed 1 year ago
Do know that the slaves were treated better than the crews on board. Slaves were worth money. Crew wasn't. That 20% death rate wasn't out of cruelty or malice. The death rate on board those ships was just as high for the crew, if not higher. It was due to a lack knowledge of hygiene. Still, horrible business.
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DTGRed 1 year ago
@DTGRed LOL! Nice inferiority complex you have there. What do you feed it? Oh I know, a healthy diet of BULLSHIT perhaps? Why don't you just stop bitching about what happened 200 years ago. Europeans today have just as much to do with the slave trade as you do. Which is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Just be glad they abolished it, or you would still be picking cotton and calling me ''master''. You racist asshole.
evildeathmonkey1 1 year ago
@evildeathmonkey1 you people are funny and who Bitching i can't say what i want some of the shit you people were saying Dogshit and i do think Racist cunts like you should Fuck off can tell shit
DTGRed 1 year ago
@DTGRed on the voyage they were taking care of quiet nicely just think about it dumbass you cant sell dead or weak slaves now can you?
TheObelix876 1 year ago
"Dark chapter" is a relative outlook. Dutch people had the upper hand and they wielded power over sub-Saharan Congoid people. Of course for the Black Africans who were transported, it was a bad thing, but from Holland's point of view it was great.
That's LIFE for you, folks! Inflicting pain on one man is another man's vocation! My only point is NEVER complain when you get the same done back to you in some other way, form or in some other era. Cheers!
Imrankniazi 1 year ago
Yeah we were the one that traded much in slaves, but we werent the only one at all, many arabic and other european countries did it too. And we treated them bad, but many other countries treated them worse.
bordkrijt 1 year ago
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Door veel te lezen en onderzoek te doen, hoefde ik niet alles mee te maken om te ervaren dat jullie Hollanders van nature slechte mensen zijn.
par2765 1 year ago
"Black page of Dutch history". I don't know one person who ever thinks about slavery. It made us rich, who cares. We are good in 1 thing: making money.
Fruitkok89 1 year ago
@Fruitkok89 Over de lijken van anderen , who cares misschien kost het ooit jouw slagenzwepen op je rug lekker littekens zal je mooi staan . Lekker op het strand in je bikini of zo showen .neeh zwarte mensen hebben jullie welvaart gegeven en je welbespraaktheid zeker niet blanken zelf, bezit weelderigheid rijkdom vind het niet mooi staan bij de blanke ..Staat je beetje beetje armoedig .past niet geheel bij je!!! bitterheid plakt aan je tong .
MultiSolucion 1 year ago
@MultiSolucion
Oh kom op! Alsof jij degene bent die die littekens op je rug heb! wordt volwassen jij zielige jongeman.
Wij kunnen niets doen aan wat onze voorvaderen deden 2 eeuwen geleden. Leef ermee. Jij bent niet degene die we hebben geslagen en verhandeld als vee. Dat waren je voorouders. Op dezelfde manier dat wij niets kunnen doen aan wat de onze deden kun jij niet teren op wat wij met hun hebben gedaan. Dat is namelijk gewoon zielig op de lange termijn en werkt alleen averechts.
thedutchman01 1 year ago
@Fruitkok89
I do think this is a black page in our countries history. And I am not proud of our part in it. But we cannot change what is done.
But it was the standard of the time. People need to remember to keep sight of the timeframe. Doesn't make it good by todays standards, only by the standards of that time. Again I say I am not proud of what we did. But you need to remember that little fact.
thedutchman01 1 year ago
@thedutchman01 "I do think this is a black page in our countries history."
From your perspective, it was actually a very bright period. After the 80-year resistance against Spain that ended in 1648, Protestant Holland had to become a force in Europe. Remember, this was a time when imperial England had the best navy at her command and Spain and Portugal were very powerful too.
The Dutch East Indies company had to be extremely capitalistic. TA slave trade was a huge money-earner and good!
Imrankniazi 1 year ago
@thedutchman01 "And I am not proud of our part in it."
You should be. It made you a first world country when the rest of the world was suffering famines! Do you know that in the 17th century, the Dutch had even surpassed the English in naval strength and colonial expansionism. How can you, as a Dutchman, not be proud of what your ancestors achieved?
History is cruel and soaked in blood. Get used to it, cherish what your ancestors have done and make sure you don't suffer the same fate :-)
Imrankniazi 1 year ago
@Imrankniazi
Despite the fact that the slave trade was not the big moneymaker of the dutch empire (spices from indonesia were. Made by local lords who sold it to the dutch who transported it to europe and then sold it in Amsterdam)
Ofc I am not proud of slavetrading. That is a despicable thing to do. But we in this day and age feel ourselves to be superior to the people of that age. Slavery has been a part of history eversince the very first written word. Before that probably even. Still badofc
thedutchman01 1 year ago
yup we were bastards just like every other nation, i am still angry on the romans man they captured south holland 2000years ago
prozajk 1 year ago
@pleenhouts Oh, I thought it was because of all the american garbage we get to watch on Dutch tv.
This would further enhance our american accent, instead of our char coal english we get to learn at school.
M42KX 1 year ago
interesting video, I wonder why Karma didn't take it's effect on the dutch ? since they are still living a great life today thanks to slavery.
sickbasterd123 1 year ago
@sickbasterd123 You obviously haven't heard of Geert Wilders yet..
NightFall1213 1 year ago
@sickbasterd123 we only transported 5% of nowadays black people in USA. 95% was transported by other West European countries, there is not one scapegoat, and the Europeans ,nowadays Americans bought them.
michielholland 1 year ago
@michielholland Why are you so concerned, man? The Netherlands is a first world nation today and has a splendid education system, healthcare system and overall governance.
Obviously for some nations to flourish, some have to remain poor. The planet doesn't have enough resources to ensure that all 6.75 billion of us remain well-fed and safe.
As Darwin said, the fit must survive by all means and weak genes must periodically be cleansed from the gene pool. That, in a nutshell, is EVOLUTION!
Imrankniazi 1 year ago
@sickbasterd123 almost al rich countrys live wel onder slave trade, nowdays it stil is going on American and outher comeny steeling oil and gold and diomonds from Africa and outher poor area;s and make a shit load of monny out of it. the world isnt nice :-( to bad do, we need to stop the shit of lands and work togehter for a bigger goal. Aslong poeple only care about themself we are al doomded
Ni83co 1 year ago
The irony is Arab muslims have been trading slaves for 1, 000 years and it is estimated that in that time arabs captured 102 000 000 black africans who were castrated and sent around the globe.
Saudi arab-or mecca, only abolished slavery in 1962.
the arabic word 'Slave', comes from european slavs, they traded over 1 000 000 to different parts of the world, but you don't hear this in racial tolorance class.
why turn to a religion that inslaved your ancestors?
2540waves 1 year ago
@2540waves May i ask where you get your information from because the numbers you use are very unlikely because it's impossible to (consequently), not logical or profitable at all to travel through the sahara and the unknown wilderness to search for slaves and if you succeed to get them (ofcourse without them enslaving you first) transport them all the way back through the sahara and also the europeans were the only ones who limited the trading of people to their skincolour etc.
NightFall1213 1 year ago
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@2540waves Oh and by the way i don't see the irony since only a small part of muslims are black and it is simply impossible for a religon to enslave people since it is NOT a person you fucking dumbass. And if it was possible the religion who would have enslaved the most people would be christianity! So stfu
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