LDS question. Jesus praying to himself or God the Father?

[emersive]

I am still confused about this. Any help explaining this more clearly would be appreciated. I watched this hoping for some clarity today. I was reading in Hebrew today and I feel like this book indicates that God the Father and Jesus Christ are separate beings. I don't understand how they can be separate but the same. PM me if you can explain this better.

[equallyeasilyfuqyou]

it's because none of this stuff is really true

easier to explain that way :)

[sgprailfan]

@equallyeasilyfuqyou Lets ignore historical evidence and go with what ever you say......

[equallyeasilyfuqyou]

@sgprailfan i'd say you're the one ignoring historical evidence. please give me some empirical reasons to believe in god at all.

[sgprailfan]

@equallyeasilyfuqyou I am the one ignoring evidence? What evidence is their against the historical Jesus other then there not being any evidence? Absent there being a God there are still good reasons to believe Jesus was a historical Jewish person because it was recorded by several people at the time. Theres other videos on youtube that talk about the more fundamental question of if there is a god or not.

[equallyeasilyfuqyou]

@sgprailfan there was probably a man in bronze age palestine named jesus. but that doesn't mean everything written in the bible about jesus is true. achillies was probably a real person, but was he dipped in the river styx by thetis, making him invincible?

[openthisupable]

They are each a GOD

[jenderlicious]

this jokersS confused hahahahaa..how dumb duz it sound praying to urself.. convert to mormonizm..yo just wasting ur tyme trying fight against the kingdom of heavenn.. we are the fastest growing church in the world..u cant tell me the holy ghost trickd all our convertzZ to b baptizd..hahahahaa tha church is true..U CANT STOP THE LORDZZ GOSPELLLLLL..

[ATTICUSFINCH51]

@jenderlicious Uhhh.....wow. What an asinine comment on many levels.

[happyguy215]

how come christians always talk about the father but not the mother?

[orlovna2]

I am a retired individual (ie., beyond the age of retirement), and unless the Protestant "doxology" --as also the Catholic statement of faith-- has changed, since the 1940s and 50s, the belief is that the 3-in-one are of one substance (viz., not separate entities), but rather merely manifestations of the same thing.

I am too old to be confused: and, I refuse to return to such "confusion".

[jonnygotz2343]

2 peter 1;4

[williamstdog9]

Thank you brother! - I'm a Christian but still learn some great truths that you help flesh out for me....

Thanks

[mdjbm]

wow, i guess if this douche bag has a picture of it in his bible, then it must be true. THINK FOR YOURSELVES PEOPLE. STOP LETTING THIS HATE FILLED MORON THINK FOR YOU.

[2morrowman]

No thanks because I agree that they are 3 seperate and distinct individuals and one in purpose but not one being. A being is an individual.

[underground24020]

I didn't know Sammy Hagar was a Mormon?

[mormonmilitia]

"The facts, therefore, prove that the doctrine of the Trinity does not appear in the Bible. The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. "

Dictionary of the Bible, by J. McKenzie, c.1965, Bruce Pub. Co., Milwaukee

"By the end of the 4th century the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since."

The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 10, Micropedia Ready Reference, c.1976, Encyclopedia Britannica, Inc., Chicago

[Exodus314IAM]

"The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archaeologists see no direct connection between the archaeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book."

"There are copies of the Book of Mormon in the library of the National Museum, of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution."

Is this what you wanted to go into? The word Trinity is not in the Bible, but there are alot of word from the Book of Mormon also missing.

[sldeyo]

Brigham Young,"How many Gods there are, I do not know."-JoD vol 7 pg 333.

I bet you the Bible knows? Let's hear what God has to say.

I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.-Isa 44:6

Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I know not [any]. -Isa 44:8

[sldeyo]

Joseph Smith-"...and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods. ... we have three Gods anyhow, and they are plural; and who can contradict it?"-HOTC vol 6 ch12 pg 274.

Who?! How About God?

...saith the LORD...before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.-Isa 43:10.

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.-Isa 44:6

[rpavich]

thanks for pointing out (on the vid) that God is not "3 parts"

good vid...

I'd like a diagram like shawn has.

[jakedevon]

Mormons, is polygamy good or evil?

[jakedevon]

I asked: "Mormons, is polygamy good or evil?"

Your response: "read Genesis"

I have.

Is there a verse in particular that you believe that the Lord God extols the virtues of polygamy?

[jakedevon]

"the fact that the God's own anointed practiced plural marriage should settle all controversy."

If you believe that polygamy is good, then just say so. Why the hesitation?

[jakedevon]

"plural marriage, like killing another human being, is good or evil depending on the context."

Then let us get more specific. Mormons can, according to them,get sealed to multiple women for eternity in the mormon temple; is this good or evil?

[jakedevon]

"so long as no laws of the state are violated,"

I think that you are saying that man's laws are higher than the laws of the Father. Is that what you are saying?

[jakedevon]

"we believe in being subject to the law of the land,"

Again, you seem to be saying that the laws of man are higher than the laws of God.

Really? Mormons think that the laws of men are higher than the laws of the Father? Is this what you are saying?

[jakedevon]

"are you a law unto yourself?"

No.

Twice now, you seem to say that the laws of men are higher than the laws of the Father.

Do mormons really think that the laws of men are higher than the laws of the Father? Is that what you are saying?

[jakedevon]

"You're putting words in my mouth and I'm quite tired of you semantics games."

Strawman.

I have never put words in your mouth. I said that you SEEMED to say such and such. Then I asked if this was what you were saying. How can anyone see this as putting words in someone's mouth?

Again, twice you seem to say that the laws of men are higher than the laws of the Father. Do mormons think that the laws of men are higher than the laws of God? Is this what you are saying?

[jakedevon]

"However, there are obvious exception, when man's laws must be broken."

You seem to have a contradiction here.

Earlier, you said: "so long as no laws of the state are violated, it cannot be construed as evil." Now you seem to say the opposite.

Which is it? Does the state dictate how mormons can and can't practice their doctrine, or will the mormons practice their doctrine even if it brings persecution?

[jakedevon]

"f*** off and pull the beam out of you own eye."

Is this commonly the way that mormons react to questions about doctrine?

If you can't, or won't, answer my questions about mormon doctrine, then just say so. To avoid upsetting you, I'll just ask more peaceable mormons.

Mormons, is polygamy good or evil?

[mormonmilitia]

There is no right answer that anybody could give you. I should have known better than to fall into your trap. You are indeed skilled in your cunning arts.

[jakedevon]

"There is no right answer that anybody could give you."

Very telling, mormonmilitia.

Are there other LDS doctrines that you feel have serious problems?

[mormonmilitia]

There are no problems with LDS doctrine. Your thinly veiled ad hominem attacks don't prove anything.

[jakedevon]

"There are no problems with LDS doctrine."

Wait a minute.

If your above statement is true, then why did you say that you couldn't explain my previous question?

(And what is the deal with you removing so many of your previous posts?)

[orlovna2]

@jakedevon

Joe Smith thought polygamy was good! He had 34 virgins and non-virgins who he called "wife". Look at the official Lds org website, and find Smith's genealogy (viz., his Family Group Records). There you will find all 34 wives, as well as in Joe-Joe's personal journals, preseved in the 7-volume History of the Church.

[orlovna2]

@orlovna2

correction: ....PRESERVED in the seven-volume History of the Church.

[jakedevon]

@orlovna2

If polygamy, according to the Smith, is good, then why don't the LDS practice it today?

[testskriftene]

true - this is so common amongst all who attack christianity - specially islam and mormonism... comparison between the two religions coming up within a week or so!!

[2morrowman]

This is rediculous. How can you believe such incorrect doctrine. What part of, "This is my beloved Son" don't you understand. " I do not my own will but the will of Him that sent me" 'Ask the Father in my name for whatsoever things ye desire" All three, separate and distinct were present at the Saviors baptism.