The cops are acting like fucken bastards. They want to control everybody. Fucken bunch of pigs. How can they sleep at night.
They often act unlawfully to get what they want. You better get on your knees and kiss their asses because you're going to get beaten, sometimes to death. Cops are completely out of their f minds.
Simon says and you better do what Simon says.
A burnt light is not a reason to tell the cop where you come from and where you're going
What a moron, driving is a privilege not a right. when you signed you Id or license you agreed to show it to any peace officer. And yes passengers can be asked for ID's. Read the laws people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Grave0714 said: "... driving is a privilege not a right."
This is an untrue statement. Driving is a right. We as a nation have decided that driving on certain public roads require the possession of a license indicating proficiency in controlling the vehicle you use.
Possession of this license is a right, once the holder satisfies the criteria for the license. The license cannot be rescinded without just cause.
At least he was white this time.. But in all seriousness the guy brought it to himself for being a jackass to the cop. All he was doing was asking simple questions in the beginning.
He is arguing - try looking up what they do to American Indian people who don't even argue. Even in UK we would be arrested for this sort of behaviour.
if you don't get out of the car they will just lie later to establish probable cause. truth is, most of the thug cops don't have any idea what your constitutional rights are or the laws that would be applicable in a situation like this. they are enforcing "departmental policies" and will always be suported by their superiors. sad situation for this country. i will just focus on my faith and getting to heaven. these mongrels, regardless of what they believe, are going to hell. bye-bye!
Courts have ruled that you do have to exit the vehicle if asked to do so. Also it is advisable to provide ID if asked. In some cases you do not have to provide ID in other cases you do. Your best bet is to provide ID and then remain silent. Don't consent to a search or anything you are not required to do.
Just say "I will do what is required by law but I do not consent to any searches or to do anything I am not required to do by law. I wish to remain silent. I want a lawyer."
@snarky77005 and one more tip that is good to remember. As soon as police stop you, ask if you are free to leave. Tell them: "I do not consent to this conversation and I want to leave as soon as possible. I am not here willingly."
Courts have ruled that officers can order people out of vehicle for safety reason. They have wide latitude in this. If an officer orders you out of the car, you generally must comply, or you will be charged with failure to obey a lawful order and / or obstruction. Failure to comply with exiting the vehicle may help the officer establish probable cause for a search. If your goal was to assert your rights, you and your passengers should have just said, "I'm remaining silent," and shut up.
First off depending on the state the plates have to be viable at all times that includes at knight so the officer has a right to stop you. and also in some states you are requiard to tell an officer if you do or don't have a weapon in your car. These officers put there life on the line every day to keep us safe so don't be a jerk be polite
Yup, that's your business... But you could have said the grocery store and forgo all the bullshit that follows. They know the law, but will still try and persuade you to give away your rights. Proof is in the video. The guys in the car where not taken out by force, yet they where threatened, hoping they would give up and let them do a "illegal" search. My advice; Don't dick around with law enforcement, they might save your life in the future. And it would have saved you an hour of your time.
@jake NO YOUR FUCKED IN THE HEAD. if you beleive for even a second that treating a man who as complide with you that harshly only because the man knew and understoud the law, is a complete sign that the police have you convinced that they can do whatever the want, and you accept it! this man has done nothing wrong (unless you count knowing your rights wich to me seems to be illiegal now). these police "men" are arragont and scared because WE THE POEPLE know how to oppose their unlawfull actions
Cops asked for ID and they all refused to produce ID cards. The main prick got belligerent and stupid and resisted an officers instructions. Bad move. Just do what they say and there would be no problems. Unless these religious jackhes were hiding something. Just wish the cops had used the taser gun on him. Woulda been hilarious.
@SonofLiberty79 Hey asswipe..I'm not the one on video being a belligerent prick to the cops. I'm not the one who had a gun drawn on me because I refused to comply with law enforcement. When cops face people with attitudes like this jerk, they always go into offensive mode because they don't know if this guy was packing or not. He refused to cooperate, and they reacted properly.
He did cooperate to what was required. He Lawfully refuse to answer the cops investigatory questions... the cop got mad and thought his power was limitless. The passengers didn't have to ID themselves, but the Driver did provide a drivers license from the start. Why would you want someone to be violently assaulted for refusing to answer questions?
Bah Bah little sheep, educate yourself on the law, the man did nothing wrong, the cop was embarrassed that a citizen knew the law and called him out. I agree that he could have kept a cooler head, but that does not change the fact that the cops grossly over-reacted to a citizen exercising his rights. Belligerent is to strong a word to use in this instance.
@jakeelee904 Yeah all that sounds good, cop ask you to bend over and you urgently comply. Speak for yourself i like having rights while fcks like you are trying to give mine away. Yeah would it be funny if they tased your mom and she fell flat on her face all cause she didn't present an I. D card. funny huh
@yerizzity1 oooo...now we're getting my Mom involved, eh? hehehee.....Congrats..you've now lowered your character to that of a slug...and btw, my Mom has never been pulled over in her life because she obeys the law...try it sometime..and the cops will leave you alone..pretty simple, eh?
@Pafoofnik1 If you have a burnt out license plate light, you get a ticket. So if these people had complied, the ticket could have been written in 3 minutes and then they could have driven away
@lovebros11: If the officer had followed the law, then the ticket could have been written in 3 minutes...
But for some reason he just had to ask the passengers questions, then for some reason had a problem when they followed the law and declined to participate.
@lovebros11 To enforce the plate light law all the officer had to do was right the citation, and move along. Besides that's a bullshit excuse anyways I've been pulled over for that before, and the light was on. A faded plate light is just an excuse they use to harass people. I know I've been in the uniform. They were out of line.
@mos11BInfantry A good day to you is when a cop is killed?...I agree police officers who abuse power are not worthy of their positions but think about what you are saying what about a police officer who DOESNT abuse his power who has a family he wishes to go back to every single day being an officer is not an easy job and many people take them for granted , this situation as well as SEVERAL others where police officers are abusing their power i do not agree with but what about the good officers
4 words (1) Lawyer (2) burden of proof. Remember, when asked for something or a question you don't choose to answer always ask for a lawyer or to phone your lawyer. The burden or proof is always on the police. You don't need to provide any information, including a drivers license, if you are driving.
for a "pastor" to have behaved this way is unthinkable. IT almost seems like they were looking for trouble. At the moment he was pulled over he was under arrest. So stating that he would not answer questions, refusing to get out of the car is resisting. Yes legally he does have the right to remain silent. Anger is not a solution. It is unbiblical in fact. It would not have gotten this far had he just been cooperative.
The Cops can get away with this shit when it's Law Abiding Citizens they pull over.
Use your imagination and put together a scenario of what it would have looked like if the 4 men in the car were armed Drug Smugglers or Mafia Connected.
Some Cops would have gone home in a bag, and their little dog too.
I live near the Mexican Border and La Eme (Mexican Mafia) is active.
Pull a carload of those dudes over and your wife and kids will be spending your Life Insurance and living off your Pension.
You can't get a restraining order on these guys? Why are they always picking you out? Seems like they have some kind of personal agenda to shut you down or something.
Interesting. I've been living for 28 years and I had no idea until now that you didn't have to show a police officer your ID if you're not driving the car. So It's not required by law to show it then?
That's a really dangerous situation with that burned out license plate bulb. What no donut shops in Benson? "Proud to be an american",...really? Proud to be owned by nazi police too? Looks like the only thing God has blessed america with is evil cops.
wow you two are unbelievable.. just do what you are told the officers don't know who you are why are you guys making a scene?? no wonder half of the world hates america because of people like you..
@XTAZIRT actuslly the officers do know these guys by sight and thats why they tend to get harrassed. That should be apparant to even the most unintelligent individual who pays attention to some of their videos. The thing that simpler people dont seem to understand is you had three officers there being asked legitimate questions and all they did was give nonanswers and pussyfoot around the questions because they knew they had no legal ground to stand on.
@chadsenters00 He DID leave. He was only visiting from Australia. It's pretty sad when a foreigner comes here and finds it to be a police state when they expected it to be a free country.
@sanderson1611 Congratulations on standing up for your rights. I respect what you do. I just wonder after holding you all that time did they even write the citation for the plate light?
@chadsenters00 america is becoming police state more and more. americans have died protecting the rights that now are being slowly taken away. if you like a police state then you go to china
@chadsenters00 It is not only America we all been forced everywhere to give up our rights is this how you want live, no more liberty. We don't want to leave America we want to fix America and make it right again the time is getting late to be arguing amongst ourselves. We in America and the whole for that matter are in grave danger, I hope you see this before it is too late. This video might seem like a mute point to you but much worse is going on we have to stop it at this level
@chadsenters00 Yea, cause that's what our ancestors did when out liberties was being threaten by the British centuries ago, they just all ran away. Maybe where you're from everyone is a coward, but from where I am from people are prepared to fight a civil war if we have to. You submissive pussy. It's like some of you people like to give up their rights and be abused. Sorry if the rest of the country aren't masochists like you.
@chadsenters00 Of course it doesn't have any meaning to you. That's because you are not a real American. You're just one of the new age pushovers who don't stand for anything. It is sad how this country is going down because of idiots like you.
No, the question is who loves Nazi Germany? It was a light out. You give a ticket and go on. But they attempted to step beyond that and proceed with things that had nothing to do with it. Some, no matter what their uniform is or isn't, get sideways if they think no one will find out. One night it will just be you and a few guys on the side of the road with personal unregistered tasers who are freaking bored and no one is around for miles. Think that's never happened?
Honestly man, I respect that you know your rights and you are using them. I understand that you have been a victim of police brutality before, but you take traffic stops way out of proportion. All the cop did was stop you for a license plate and ask your passengers for ID. There is no reason to yell at them about what they do and don't need based on circumstance. You turned a simple 5 minute traffic stop into you being detained.
That;s not the point. The point is, even at that little thing you call a traffic stop, a cop can violate your rights. After all, where are most police interactions with the public made... traffic stops.
Tell me something. Why is possession of narcotics illegal? I mean, isn't it insane that a person cannot own whatever he please? Is ownership a crime? I'm not a user nor an abuser but all of this strikes me as absurd.
At 1:15, when he doesn't answer whether or not he has a gun in the car, that sends a red flag to the officers and puts them in potential danger. Why not just say "no". Good officers are killed everyday on routine traffic stops so I support their decision to draw their weopons. Maybe this man is doing great work for God's kingdom, but he obviously has issues with authority. Maybe he was beaten as a child or just not hugged enough. "K thanks bye"
@whatamiwatchingthis4 You have an issue with stupidity and ignorance. The cops are not authority, they are a public servant. You can't be both. I know what you're thinking... the tv calls them "the authorities" all the time. Well, the tv lies. And I give two shits about cops dying in traffic stops. You live by the gun, you die by the gun. That rule applies to all. Soldiers, gangsters, cops, terrorists, etc.
@LightningBoltz You are correct sir, I do have an issue with stupidity and ignorance which I guess is why I continue to bother posting on this video. This man and the guys in the car with him who one can only assume are the the ones defending him on this very thread are the epitome of ignorant. If police officers are not "authorities in your opinion, who are? Also, it's nice to know that you could care less about those who protect you and your precious constituion. What a scumbag.
@whatamiwatchingthis4 said: "who one can only assume are the the ones defending him on this very thread "
I cannot speak for others, but I am proof positive that you assume wrong. I have never met any of the people in this video.
and said: "are the epitome of ignorant". Please quote anything I said that is not factual, and provide interdependently verifiable proof that what I said is a falsehood.
Just because someone disagrees with your opinions doesn't make them 'ignorant'. or a 'scumbag'.
@Pafoofnik1 Sorry you feel this way, but when someone says: "And I give two shits about cops dying in traffic stops. You live by the gun, you die by the gun. That rule applies to all. Soldiers, gangsters, cops, terrorists, etc.", you just earned the rank of scumbag in most people's opinion. MOST people respect Soldiers and Cops for the work they do. Logical individuals understand that there are bad cops and good cops and don't pass judgement on them as a whole. Heard of the Golden Rule Steve?
I love you morons.. You idiotic bigots always try to make it 'seem' as if it's far worse for a citizen to murder a cop, but not a cop murdering a citizen, and then have the balls to say we are scum because we feel it's far worse for a cop to murder a citizen, not the other way around. The scum, is you! Logical individuals would know by common sense, both are the same. So take your ideological law enforcement poster-boy mentally and get the FUCK OUT OF DODGE!
One more thing - on the way out, try to use that logical common sense.. When people protest police brutality, they don't hold up signs saying 'Stop officer Nick brutality'... It's an institution! Your lame excuse 'not all cops are bad' is not only pathetic, but no one cares. In a cop vs. citizen situation, they ALWAYS cover their own. This makes them all bad, just to rebut your childish remark. Save a vomit bag for me, I could use one after reading your garbage.
@whatamiwatchingthis4 Straight to the name calling, eh? Cops don't protect the constitution, you're delusional. If you mention your constitutional rights in the process of them violating them, they will laugh at you. They know only to serve their superiors to ensure they get a paycheck. Protecting my constitutional rights, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
@whatamiwatchingthis4: You didn't cite the time stamp where you said he was "disobeying law enforcement ", nor did you cite the statute you found that he disobeyed?
@Pafoofnik1 from 1:00 to 2:35 (appx.) he is told numerous times to "get out of the car" and refuses. Merriam-Webster defines disobey as: to fail to obey. (just so we're clear on that). I don't know how you can argue that he's not disobeying law enforcement there. As far as citing statutes goes, I'm not going to do that because I never said I would. I'm not familiar with those in AZ nor do I care to be. Though he thinks he's bigger than the law, he'll get what's coming to him one day.
@whatamiwatchingthis4: No proof? Are you finding it hard to legally justify your belief that people are required to exit a vehicle just because some officer says so?
As for disobeying, what matters is how the statutes describe it, not Webster (just so we're clear on that).
I can argue it because you haven't shown proof that anyone legally disobeyed a lawful order here.
and you say: "as far as citing statutes goes, I'm not going to do that". Without proof, I think you are lying.
Found the church...."He holds no college degree but has well over 140 chapters of the Bible memorized word-for-word, including approximately half of the New Testament." Well let me start memorizing chapters of the Bible and disobeying law enforcement so I can start a church!
@whatamiwatchingthis4@mattc1683 Be a good little sheep and do as the gestapo says...... When you get pulled over you don't have to answer any questions. Don't you know anything about the law dipshit? "You have the right to remain silent..." Ring any bells moron.
and look where this behavior got him. I've been pulled over before, I complied with with the officers. Even got out of a few tickets because I know how to behave rationally. It's not about knowing the law and trying to upstage the police. Thanks for the name calling though.
Please cite the time stamp where the driver disobeyed a lawful order, and cite the exact statute that gives the officer the authority to issue this order.
@pafoofnic1 he broke the law when he did not answer if he had a weapon in the vehicle. Weather you like it or not when you are asked it is the law to answer. You sir are wrong and just another moron who thinks he knows all the laws untill your ass is dead or in prison.
Your an idiot! Yes you do have to tell them if you have a weapon when asked you fucking moron. They pulled a gun becouse you refused to answer just like a cop killer would do you stupid son of a bitch. I would have shot all of you.
Fuck this douchebag pastor. Those cops were being polite and nice. We expect so much from our men and women in uniform, to talk to them rudely like that and be such a dumb ass is wrong. Shiit those were nice cops. You were acting like a suspicious cunt, I would have searched your car too.
So does this "pastor" just cruise around trying to provoke a response on what he thinks is his civil rights? He obviously was pulled over because his tag light was out. The "pastor" failed to obey a lawful order, so the cop if he wanted to could have broke his window and have drug him out. People need to look at the amendments and learn more about what they dont know..."Pastors" actions are down right pathetic.
is there any recourse left for people getting abused by the police anymore ?. If there is something that can be done, then one should act like an "AMERICAN". for all I know is that there is no such thing left as US of A. They came for Natives,then Chinese and then for Japanese, for Germans and for Jews and then for Blacks. Now is for MUSLIMS. We kept silenced, Today no one is left to raise a voice. All are oppressed and they don't see the oppressor. JUST KEEP ON FIGHTING with each other. SICK!
Is this not the reason they have really bright spotlights on a car anyways? So they can shine their own light on things that are not lit otherwise? That should easily be enough to read a license plate, even if their computer cameras can't correct for low light, which I believe they can anyways.
The driver has his right to refuse to answer anything. That's where the right to stay silent comes from. The other guys did not need to provide their ID as they did nothing wrong. This was suppose to be a quick stop for a burned out LP light. All they needed to do was check the Driver's license and the registration and Plate. Maybe issue a fixing ticket... This was over called for. They were already suspecting these guys of something else to begin with.
@josacape Rigth from the start, the license plate is in the dark. It's already suspicious to the police. Then the policeman (politely) asked him a simple routine question, the answer... ''That's my business'' it's look even more suspicious. Then the ''pastor'' make it harder and harder... His camera was even already prepared for his little show. He behaves like an arrogant teenager.
By the way, this ''pastor'' is a troublemaker, he has problems practicaly wherever he is.
Because LP lights don't break, right? Then the citizen politely answered his simple question with a simple answer. Suspicious of what? LOL. It was an iPhone, and so what if he recorded the encounter? Everyone should, the police do.
@liduq said: "Then the policeman (politely) asked him a simple routine question, the answer... ''That's my business'' it's look even more suspicious. "
I don't see how. It's not like the driver did anything unlawful, or even seem to be unlawful, by refusing to answer 'a simple routine question'.
I think This is that silly ass hole pastor that finally got the border patrol & highway patrol to zap him 6 or 8 time and smash his face into the pavement. He won the criminal trial. I believe and he has civil filed against the government. I think he wants it to happen to him again.
As shown, the cop had no authority to order passengers out but he tried to bluff them out. They called his bluff and remained seated. And the cop could do nothing.
@Pafoofnik113-2402 obstructing governmental operations is what i would have to guess i live in iowa so im not familiar with Arizona code . there is no need to be a smart ass about it. everything could have been avoided if the driver would have rolled his window down all the way and answered simple questions. people like this make officers jobs difficult.
@Pafoofnik1 i did not make it up on the fly. if you are looking for any sort of code for a situation like this i gave you iowas code 719.1 its not arizonas but it gives you the answer
@djwick50: You said "arrest the driver for interference with official acts".
If you would have read the Arizona law before you referred to it, you would know that "using or threatening to use violence or physical force" is required before a person falls under Arizona's obstructing charge. But it looks like you didn't read it first or you would have known this.
@Pafoofnik1 i never said i was referring to arizona code, it was a general comment, i said each state is different, you wanted me to find arizonas code, i failed, but i have showed iowas code, read it. in iowa this driver could be arrested
@djwick50: You have already found Arizona's statute (A.R.S. 13-2402). The statute doesn't allow officers to do what you want, which is "arrest the driver for interference with official acts".
And this is the point I am making.
Iowa doesn't allow it either, bit I don't see any reason to dwell on that aspect.
@Pafoofnik1 no the code here doesnt allow officers to do what they want, but a person who knowingly resists or obstructs anyone known by the person to be a peace officer in the performance of any act which is within the scope of the lawful duty or authority of that officer. simply saying get out of the car and that person refusing in the manner he did is grounds enough.
@Pafoofnik1 i was never talking bout arizona law in the first place. im letting know that people can be arrested or given a pta not follwing a lawful order.
@Pafoofnik1 no i wasnt. you are the one talking bout arizona law. next time i will put "in iowa" before i comment. you failed to realize i told you more than once i dont know how their code will read. it was just a comment that you took and ran with it.
you also said iowa doesnt allow it either, well when he was told to step out of the car he said no. here it fits.
@Pafoofnik1 i understand people having right but this is going over board, if you truly have nothing to hide just answer question respectfully and you will be on you way simple as that. police did the correct thing. be respectful to someone and you get it back. the driver was not respectful he was cocky in how he explained things to the officer, if you don't see that then...
@Pafoofnik1 officer safety is the most important thing them, they would like to go home at the end of the night. if you have a weapon in the car tell them you have one and where it is located at.
@djwick50 Where in the constitution does it state that cop safety trumps individual rights?
I have news for ya; citizens have no duty to tell a cop if they have dirty needles in their pockets when a cop searches them. In fact, if they say they don't have needles and the cop sticks themselves, the person can be arrested for lying to the cop. But if they remain silent and don't tell the cop anything and the cop sticks himself, its tough luck. No charge for remaining silent and not telling.
@yoyo762 i really doubt the constitution says anything about officer safety. but if you remained silent after the officer has asked if you have anything in your pockets
The cops are acting like fucken bastards. They want to control everybody. Fucken bunch of pigs. How can they sleep at night.
They often act unlawfully to get what they want. You better get on your knees and kiss their asses because you're going to get beaten, sometimes to death. Cops are completely out of their f minds.
Simon says and you better do what Simon says.
A burnt light is not a reason to tell the cop where you come from and where you're going
Marcel1157 5 days ago
What a moron, driving is a privilege not a right. when you signed you Id or license you agreed to show it to any peace officer. And yes passengers can be asked for ID's. Read the laws people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grave0714 1 week ago
@Grave0714 OK officer smock
Marcel1157 5 days ago
@Grave0714 said: "when you signed you Id or license you agreed to show it to any peace officer." The driver presented ID at 00:09.
And you say: "passengers can be asked for ID's"
They sure can. Do they have to answer?
Pafoofnik1 4 days ago
@Grave0714 said: "... driving is a privilege not a right."
This is an untrue statement. Driving is a right. We as a nation have decided that driving on certain public roads require the possession of a license indicating proficiency in controlling the vehicle you use.
Possession of this license is a right, once the holder satisfies the criteria for the license. The license cannot be rescinded without just cause.
Pafoofnik1 4 days ago
Very nice! Keep at it.
GreaterGoodPrevails 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
FUCK THE POLICE
nintendo007 1 week ago
At least he was white this time.. But in all seriousness the guy brought it to himself for being a jackass to the cop. All he was doing was asking simple questions in the beginning.
PrinceOftheCty 1 week ago
@PrinceOftheCty You don't know your rights as an American. Learn them.
epohnopulse 1 week ago
He is arguing - try looking up what they do to American Indian people who don't even argue. Even in UK we would be arrested for this sort of behaviour.
anniemaggie53 1 week ago
Hot pastor! I agree 100% with what and how these citizens dealt with this. Those cops were looking for a reason to abuse their authority.
milknot4free 2 weeks ago
@milknot4free rough justice - that's what the so called pastor has been doing for years
anniemaggie53 1 week ago
if you don't get out of the car they will just lie later to establish probable cause. truth is, most of the thug cops don't have any idea what your constitutional rights are or the laws that would be applicable in a situation like this. they are enforcing "departmental policies" and will always be suported by their superiors. sad situation for this country. i will just focus on my faith and getting to heaven. these mongrels, regardless of what they believe, are going to hell. bye-bye!
antimasonification 2 weeks ago
Courts have ruled that you do have to exit the vehicle if asked to do so. Also it is advisable to provide ID if asked. In some cases you do not have to provide ID in other cases you do. Your best bet is to provide ID and then remain silent. Don't consent to a search or anything you are not required to do.
Just say "I will do what is required by law but I do not consent to any searches or to do anything I am not required to do by law. I wish to remain silent. I want a lawyer."
snarky77005 2 weeks ago
@snarky77005 and one more tip that is good to remember. As soon as police stop you, ask if you are free to leave. Tell them: "I do not consent to this conversation and I want to leave as soon as possible. I am not here willingly."
snarky77005 2 weeks ago
HAHAHA another day at the office, pastor you are a brave man, I want to shake your hand!
WarThug13 2 weeks ago
Courts have ruled that officers can order people out of vehicle for safety reason. They have wide latitude in this. If an officer orders you out of the car, you generally must comply, or you will be charged with failure to obey a lawful order and / or obstruction. Failure to comply with exiting the vehicle may help the officer establish probable cause for a search. If your goal was to assert your rights, you and your passengers should have just said, "I'm remaining silent," and shut up.
greggh 1 month ago
First off depending on the state the plates have to be viable at all times that includes at knight so the officer has a right to stop you. and also in some states you are requiard to tell an officer if you do or don't have a weapon in your car. These officers put there life on the line every day to keep us safe so don't be a jerk be polite
helixstfc 1 month ago
Yup, that's your business... But you could have said the grocery store and forgo all the bullshit that follows. They know the law, but will still try and persuade you to give away your rights. Proof is in the video. The guys in the car where not taken out by force, yet they where threatened, hoping they would give up and let them do a "illegal" search. My advice; Don't dick around with law enforcement, they might save your life in the future. And it would have saved you an hour of your time.
Justice1981 1 month ago
whatever......i've seen better heads on mugs of beer
jakeelee904 1 month ago
you people are all fucked in the head.
jakeelee904 1 month ago
@jake NO YOUR FUCKED IN THE HEAD. if you beleive for even a second that treating a man who as complide with you that harshly only because the man knew and understoud the law, is a complete sign that the police have you convinced that they can do whatever the want, and you accept it! this man has done nothing wrong (unless you count knowing your rights wich to me seems to be illiegal now). these police "men" are arragont and scared because WE THE POEPLE know how to oppose their unlawfull actions
coloaninnow 1 month ago
@coloaninnow "beleive"....."complide"...."understoud"..."wich"..."arragont"..."poeple".."unlawfull"..... I don't think I could top that...lol
jakeelee904 2 weeks ago
Cops asked for ID and they all refused to produce ID cards. The main prick got belligerent and stupid and resisted an officers instructions. Bad move. Just do what they say and there would be no problems. Unless these religious jackhes were hiding something. Just wish the cops had used the taser gun on him. Woulda been hilarious.
jakeelee904 1 month ago
That's right good little sheep, do as your told.
SonofLiberty79 1 month ago
@SonofLiberty79 Hey asswipe..I'm not the one on video being a belligerent prick to the cops. I'm not the one who had a gun drawn on me because I refused to comply with law enforcement. When cops face people with attitudes like this jerk, they always go into offensive mode because they don't know if this guy was packing or not. He refused to cooperate, and they reacted properly.
jakeelee904 1 month ago
@jakeelee904
He did cooperate to what was required. He Lawfully refuse to answer the cops investigatory questions... the cop got mad and thought his power was limitless. The passengers didn't have to ID themselves, but the Driver did provide a drivers license from the start. Why would you want someone to be violently assaulted for refusing to answer questions?
josacape 1 month ago
Bah Bah little sheep, educate yourself on the law, the man did nothing wrong, the cop was embarrassed that a citizen knew the law and called him out. I agree that he could have kept a cooler head, but that does not change the fact that the cops grossly over-reacted to a citizen exercising his rights. Belligerent is to strong a word to use in this instance.
SonofLiberty79 1 month ago
@jakeelee904 You're a retard, I hope you get taser'd. Might bring some of your brain function back.
sKratch1337 1 month ago
@jakeelee904 Yeah all that sounds good, cop ask you to bend over and you urgently comply. Speak for yourself i like having rights while fcks like you are trying to give mine away. Yeah would it be funny if they tased your mom and she fell flat on her face all cause she didn't present an I. D card. funny huh
yerizzity1 3 weeks ago
@yerizzity1 oooo...now we're getting my Mom involved, eh? hehehee.....Congrats..you've now lowered your character to that of a slug...and btw, my Mom has never been pulled over in her life because she obeys the law...try it sometime..and the cops will leave you alone..pretty simple, eh?
jakeelee904 2 weeks ago
How rude and stupid why the bitchness why imean wtf no respect at all iwould have shit you he had a lot of patience
Phoeniqueraputaz 1 month ago
You guys rock. I love the "lets just ignore them". Those fuckin pussies hate to be ignored.
howiwatchvideos 2 months ago
You guys are just being pricks and looking for trouble. If you had just complied, this video would have been 3 minutes. NOT 30!!!
lovebros11 2 months ago
@lovebros11 i agree
spy56 2 months ago
@lovebros11: This video would have been 3 minutes if the officers had understood the limitations of the stop.
Pafoofnik1 2 months ago 4
@Pafoofnik1 If you have a burnt out license plate light, you get a ticket. So if these people had complied, the ticket could have been written in 3 minutes and then they could have driven away
lovebros11 2 months ago
@lovebros11: If the officer had followed the law, then the ticket could have been written in 3 minutes...
But for some reason he just had to ask the passengers questions, then for some reason had a problem when they followed the law and declined to participate.
Pafoofnik1 2 months ago 5
@lovebros11 Why should they comply? I wish more people would do this. Cops are supposed to protect and serve. This didn't protect or serve anyone.
Joshd8705 2 months ago 3
@Joshd8705 Cops are also supposed to enforce laws!!! which they did during this!
lovebros11 2 months ago
@lovebros11 To enforce the plate light law all the officer had to do was right the citation, and move along. Besides that's a bullshit excuse anyways I've been pulled over for that before, and the light was on. A faded plate light is just an excuse they use to harass people. I know I've been in the uniform. They were out of line.
Joshd8705 2 months ago 4
@mos11BInfantry
You know what's sad? That what you say is fucking true.
josacape 2 months ago
@mos11BInfantry A good day to you is when a cop is killed?...I agree police officers who abuse power are not worthy of their positions but think about what you are saying what about a police officer who DOESNT abuse his power who has a family he wishes to go back to every single day being an officer is not an easy job and many people take them for granted , this situation as well as SEVERAL others where police officers are abusing their power i do not agree with but what about the good officers
spy56 2 months ago
@mos11BInfantry are you fucking stupid?
spy56 2 months ago
4 words (1) Lawyer (2) burden of proof. Remember, when asked for something or a question you don't choose to answer always ask for a lawyer or to phone your lawyer. The burden or proof is always on the police. You don't need to provide any information, including a drivers license, if you are driving.
ezygong 2 months ago
this video is a simple demonstration of what happens when a-holes meet a-holes.
AMilitantAgnostic 2 months ago
for a "pastor" to have behaved this way is unthinkable. IT almost seems like they were looking for trouble. At the moment he was pulled over he was under arrest. So stating that he would not answer questions, refusing to get out of the car is resisting. Yes legally he does have the right to remain silent. Anger is not a solution. It is unbiblical in fact. It would not have gotten this far had he just been cooperative.
TheUSaveMoving 2 months ago
@TheUSaveMoving
im not familiar with US law, but im pretty sure your not under arrest until you are told so
CelphMade420 1 month ago
Look I'm all for exercising your rights but you keep saying he stopped you for no reason but he actually stopped you for no tail light
paulcarb 2 months ago
The Cops can get away with this shit when it's Law Abiding Citizens they pull over.
Use your imagination and put together a scenario of what it would have looked like if the 4 men in the car were armed Drug Smugglers or Mafia Connected.
Some Cops would have gone home in a bag, and their little dog too.
I live near the Mexican Border and La Eme (Mexican Mafia) is active.
Pull a carload of those dudes over and your wife and kids will be spending your Life Insurance and living off your Pension.
hammerogod 2 months ago
I don't like "Pastor" Steve...not a bit.
But this video shows pure harassment.
I never saw a shred of Probably Cause.
I never saw any reason to detain a car full of people.
I saw a Cop draw a gun on a man and threaten him.
The statement "It's going to get a lot more deadly" is a Criminal Threat.
I normally support LEO but when they get out of line they are no longer doing their jobs and become something other than Law Enforcement Officers.
Fight for your Rights
hammerogod 2 months ago 10
If you have a High School education you can be a Cop.
It does not require intelligence.
It does not require special knowledge of the Law(s).
You reading skills will be below the National Average.
Your understanding of the Law(s) will be below the National Average.
(That is what he Demographics say).
You will have no Mandate to Serve & Protect, that is a myth.
You will do what your 'Superiors' tell you.
You will get promotions and eventually become a 'Superior'.
The chain will go unbroken.
hammerogod 2 months ago 3
Take off the badge so you can see whats up and we'll go at it punk and I'm a fuck you up.
hugh2go 2 months ago
You can't get a restraining order on these guys? Why are they always picking you out? Seems like they have some kind of personal agenda to shut you down or something.
JuriQOA 2 months ago
Interesting. I've been living for 28 years and I had no idea until now that you didn't have to show a police officer your ID if you're not driving the car. So It's not required by law to show it then?
JuriQOA 2 months ago
@JuriQOA: Read up on the Supreme Court case "Hiibel" for more info.
Pafoofnik1 2 months ago
That's a really dangerous situation with that burned out license plate bulb. What no donut shops in Benson? "Proud to be an american",...really? Proud to be owned by nazi police too? Looks like the only thing God has blessed america with is evil cops.
GTIBully 2 months ago
what goes on at police accadamies
stealthgerm 2 months ago
lol this is great, fuck cops.
upn2daleft 3 months ago
wow you two are unbelievable.. just do what you are told the officers don't know who you are why are you guys making a scene?? no wonder half of the world hates america because of people like you..
XTAZIRT 3 months ago
@XTAZIRT: A person should not have to give up his rights just because some officer wants him to.
Pafoofnik1 3 months ago 3
@XTAZIRT hey dumbass that is why peckerwoods like yourself can bend over and let the government take your rights away fagget.
armanimpressions 2 months ago
@XTAZIRT actuslly the officers do know these guys by sight and thats why they tend to get harrassed. That should be apparant to even the most unintelligent individual who pays attention to some of their videos. The thing that simpler people dont seem to understand is you had three officers there being asked legitimate questions and all they did was give nonanswers and pussyfoot around the questions because they knew they had no legal ground to stand on.
tronclay 2 months ago
@XTAZIRT
i bet youll do as your told when they tell you your going to a residential center.
CelphMade420 1 month ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
If you hate America then why not leave?! simple right?
chadsenters00 3 months ago
@chadsenters00 He DID leave. He was only visiting from Australia. It's pretty sad when a foreigner comes here and finds it to be a police state when they expected it to be a free country.
sanderson1611 3 months ago 14
@sanderson1611 Congratulations on standing up for your rights. I respect what you do. I just wonder after holding you all that time did they even write the citation for the plate light?
Joshd8705 2 months ago 2
@sanderson1611 Anyways the douche in the car gave the cop a hard time he should of just cooperated and shit would of been alot easier and quicker!
chadsenters00 3 weeks ago
@chadsenters00 america is becoming police state more and more. americans have died protecting the rights that now are being slowly taken away. if you like a police state then you go to china
macrochronic 2 months ago
@chadsenters00 simple , right?
macrochronic 2 months ago
@chadsenters00 It is not only America we all been forced everywhere to give up our rights is this how you want live, no more liberty. We don't want to leave America we want to fix America and make it right again the time is getting late to be arguing amongst ourselves. We in America and the whole for that matter are in grave danger, I hope you see this before it is too late. This video might seem like a mute point to you but much worse is going on we have to stop it at this level
johnnycmajor 2 months ago
@chadsenters00 Yea, cause that's what our ancestors did when out liberties was being threaten by the British centuries ago, they just all ran away. Maybe where you're from everyone is a coward, but from where I am from people are prepared to fight a civil war if we have to. You submissive pussy. It's like some of you people like to give up their rights and be abused. Sorry if the rest of the country aren't masochists like you.
from212 1 month ago
@from212 Nothing of what you just said to me cared any meaning to me so just shut your suck hole cuntfuck!
chadsenters00 1 month ago
@chadsenters00 Of course it doesn't have any meaning to you. That's because you are not a real American. You're just one of the new age pushovers who don't stand for anything. It is sad how this country is going down because of idiots like you.
from212 1 month ago
@from212 You jelly Bro?
chadsenters00 1 month ago
@chadsenters00
No, the question is who loves Nazi Germany? It was a light out. You give a ticket and go on. But they attempted to step beyond that and proceed with things that had nothing to do with it. Some, no matter what their uniform is or isn't, get sideways if they think no one will find out. One night it will just be you and a few guys on the side of the road with personal unregistered tasers who are freaking bored and no one is around for miles. Think that's never happened?
vsop333 1 month ago
@chadsenters00 The dumpest and unreflective comment I've read today! Your brain have to be invisible.
Yeah, you're right ... simple!
SpiffRogue 3 weeks ago
Honestly man, I respect that you know your rights and you are using them. I understand that you have been a victim of police brutality before, but you take traffic stops way out of proportion. All the cop did was stop you for a license plate and ask your passengers for ID. There is no reason to yell at them about what they do and don't need based on circumstance. You turned a simple 5 minute traffic stop into you being detained.
thepilotboy 3 months ago
@thepilotboy
That;s not the point. The point is, even at that little thing you call a traffic stop, a cop can violate your rights. After all, where are most police interactions with the public made... traffic stops.
fmnma1 3 months ago
Tell me something. Why is possession of narcotics illegal? I mean, isn't it insane that a person cannot own whatever he please? Is ownership a crime? I'm not a user nor an abuser but all of this strikes me as absurd.
joroma77 3 months ago
@Pafoofnik
At 1:15, when he doesn't answer whether or not he has a gun in the car, that sends a red flag to the officers and puts them in potential danger. Why not just say "no". Good officers are killed everyday on routine traffic stops so I support their decision to draw their weopons. Maybe this man is doing great work for God's kingdom, but he obviously has issues with authority. Maybe he was beaten as a child or just not hugged enough. "K thanks bye"
whatamiwatchingthis4 3 months ago
@whatamiwatchingthis4 You have an issue with stupidity and ignorance. The cops are not authority, they are a public servant. You can't be both. I know what you're thinking... the tv calls them "the authorities" all the time. Well, the tv lies. And I give two shits about cops dying in traffic stops. You live by the gun, you die by the gun. That rule applies to all. Soldiers, gangsters, cops, terrorists, etc.
LightningBoltz 3 months ago
@LightningBoltz You are correct sir, I do have an issue with stupidity and ignorance which I guess is why I continue to bother posting on this video. This man and the guys in the car with him who one can only assume are the the ones defending him on this very thread are the epitome of ignorant. If police officers are not "authorities in your opinion, who are? Also, it's nice to know that you could care less about those who protect you and your precious constituion. What a scumbag.
whatamiwatchingthis4 3 months ago
@whatamiwatchingthis4 said: "who one can only assume are the the ones defending him on this very thread "
I cannot speak for others, but I am proof positive that you assume wrong. I have never met any of the people in this video.
and said: "are the epitome of ignorant". Please quote anything I said that is not factual, and provide interdependently verifiable proof that what I said is a falsehood.
Just because someone disagrees with your opinions doesn't make them 'ignorant'. or a 'scumbag'.
Pafoofnik1 3 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 Sorry you feel this way, but when someone says: "And I give two shits about cops dying in traffic stops. You live by the gun, you die by the gun. That rule applies to all. Soldiers, gangsters, cops, terrorists, etc.", you just earned the rank of scumbag in most people's opinion. MOST people respect Soldiers and Cops for the work they do. Logical individuals understand that there are bad cops and good cops and don't pass judgement on them as a whole. Heard of the Golden Rule Steve?
whatamiwatchingthis4 3 months ago
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@whatamiwatchingthis4: Liar. I never said any such thing.
Pafoofnik1 3 months ago
@whatamiwatchingthis4
I love you morons.. You idiotic bigots always try to make it 'seem' as if it's far worse for a citizen to murder a cop, but not a cop murdering a citizen, and then have the balls to say we are scum because we feel it's far worse for a cop to murder a citizen, not the other way around. The scum, is you! Logical individuals would know by common sense, both are the same. So take your ideological law enforcement poster-boy mentally and get the FUCK OUT OF DODGE!
fmnma1 3 months ago
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fmnma1 3 months ago
@whatamiwatchingthis4
One more thing - on the way out, try to use that logical common sense.. When people protest police brutality, they don't hold up signs saying 'Stop officer Nick brutality'... It's an institution! Your lame excuse 'not all cops are bad' is not only pathetic, but no one cares. In a cop vs. citizen situation, they ALWAYS cover their own. This makes them all bad, just to rebut your childish remark. Save a vomit bag for me, I could use one after reading your garbage.
fmnma1 3 months ago
@whatamiwatchingthis4
Heard of the "blue code of silence', whatami?
fmnma1 3 months ago
@whatamiwatchingthis4 Straight to the name calling, eh? Cops don't protect the constitution, you're delusional. If you mention your constitutional rights in the process of them violating them, they will laugh at you. They know only to serve their superiors to ensure they get a paycheck. Protecting my constitutional rights, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
LightningBoltz 3 months ago
@whatamiwatchingthis4: You didn't cite the time stamp where you said he was "disobeying law enforcement ", nor did you cite the statute you found that he disobeyed?
Did you forget, or realize that you can't?
Pafoofnik1 3 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 from 1:00 to 2:35 (appx.) he is told numerous times to "get out of the car" and refuses. Merriam-Webster defines disobey as: to fail to obey. (just so we're clear on that). I don't know how you can argue that he's not disobeying law enforcement there. As far as citing statutes goes, I'm not going to do that because I never said I would. I'm not familiar with those in AZ nor do I care to be. Though he thinks he's bigger than the law, he'll get what's coming to him one day.
whatamiwatchingthis4 3 months ago
@whatamiwatchingthis4: No proof? Are you finding it hard to legally justify your belief that people are required to exit a vehicle just because some officer says so?
As for disobeying, what matters is how the statutes describe it, not Webster (just so we're clear on that).
I can argue it because you haven't shown proof that anyone legally disobeyed a lawful order here.
and you say: "as far as citing statutes goes, I'm not going to do that". Without proof, I think you are lying.
Pafoofnik1 3 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 Well played Steve, I'll just be the better man and let you "win". *sighs*
whatamiwatchingthis4 3 months ago
@whatamiwatchingthis4:
I am not the person in this video. If you have independently verifiable proof that I am, then please present it.
Until then, you are a liar.
Pafoofnik1 3 months ago
Found the church...."He holds no college degree but has well over 140 chapters of the Bible memorized word-for-word, including approximately half of the New Testament." Well let me start memorizing chapters of the Bible and disobeying law enforcement so I can start a church!
whatamiwatchingthis4 3 months ago
@whatamiwatchingthis4 @mattc1683 Be a good little sheep and do as the gestapo says...... When you get pulled over you don't have to answer any questions. Don't you know anything about the law dipshit? "You have the right to remain silent..." Ring any bells moron.
outlawracer2229 3 months ago
@outlawracer2229
and look where this behavior got him. I've been pulled over before, I complied with with the officers. Even got out of a few tickets because I know how to behave rationally. It's not about knowing the law and trying to upstage the police. Thanks for the name calling though.
whatamiwatchingthis4 3 months ago
@whatamiwatchingthis4 You're a good little serf, aren't you?
LightningBoltz 3 months ago
@whatamiwatchingthis4 said: "disobeying law enforcement "
Are your saying this is what happened here?
Please cite the time stamp where the driver disobeyed a lawful order, and cite the exact statute that gives the officer the authority to issue this order.
K thanks bye,
Pafoofnik1 3 months ago
What a bunch of tools (the pastor and the guys in the car). What church does he pastor at? I cannot imagine my pastor acting a fool like this!
whatamiwatchingthis4 3 months ago
In My Option While Watching This
The Cop Stepped Over The Line
RSwizard101vids 3 months ago
@pafoofnic1 he broke the law when he did not answer if he had a weapon in the vehicle. Weather you like it or not when you are asked it is the law to answer. You sir are wrong and just another moron who thinks he knows all the laws untill your ass is dead or in prison.
mattc1683 3 months ago
@mattc1683 said: "Weather you like it or not when you are asked it is the law to answer."
I think you are lying.
Please cite this law that requires me to converse with law enforcement beyond maybe my ID.
I'll wait right here.
Pafoofnik1 3 months ago
Your an idiot! Yes you do have to tell them if you have a weapon when asked you fucking moron. They pulled a gun becouse you refused to answer just like a cop killer would do you stupid son of a bitch. I would have shot all of you.
mattc1683 3 months ago
A good cop would have just written a ticket for the light and sent them on their way.
morgothic420 3 months ago
Fuck this douchebag pastor. Those cops were being polite and nice. We expect so much from our men and women in uniform, to talk to them rudely like that and be such a dumb ass is wrong. Shiit those were nice cops. You were acting like a suspicious cunt, I would have searched your car too.
MrIntangibleasset 3 months ago
So does this "pastor" just cruise around trying to provoke a response on what he thinks is his civil rights? He obviously was pulled over because his tag light was out. The "pastor" failed to obey a lawful order, so the cop if he wanted to could have broke his window and have drug him out. People need to look at the amendments and learn more about what they dont know..."Pastors" actions are down right pathetic.
921iphone 3 months ago
@921iphone said: "The "pastor" failed to obey a lawful order"
He did? I think you are wrong.
Please cite the time stamp where you think he failed to obey a lawful order, and quote and cite the law behind this guess of yours.
Pafoofnik1 3 months ago
"and this is the United States of America"...omg obnoxious little shit, aren't you?
xForTheRepublic 3 months ago
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xForTheRepublic 3 months ago
is there any recourse left for people getting abused by the police anymore ?. If there is something that can be done, then one should act like an "AMERICAN". for all I know is that there is no such thing left as US of A. They came for Natives,then Chinese and then for Japanese, for Germans and for Jews and then for Blacks. Now is for MUSLIMS. We kept silenced, Today no one is left to raise a voice. All are oppressed and they don't see the oppressor. JUST KEEP ON FIGHTING with each other. SICK!
samhouston2000 3 months ago
The driver made many mistakes. All because he lost his composure from 0:32.
TheRadiastral 3 months ago
obstructing governmental operations? lol never heared of that!
Theshamus001 3 months ago
This cop is totally out of control, he needs to be sent to another country, like Iraq.
Seriously, he needs fired!!!
drtrenga 3 months ago
Is this not the reason they have really bright spotlights on a car anyways? So they can shine their own light on things that are not lit otherwise? That should easily be enough to read a license plate, even if their computer cameras can't correct for low light, which I believe they can anyways.
JaytheOstrich 3 months ago
these things can be solved by deducting the officers pay for every false arrest they preform
a days pay sounds about right
then they would quicky learn what rights you have
eatjjca 3 months ago
Note to all:- If you don't like what going on don't watch...no need for such aggressive responses
Combatdude 4 months ago
Dude shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of the car dumbass!
northbendsk8 4 months ago
all "pastors" should be thrown in jail.fucking snake oil salesmen.
iggy082 4 months ago
stupid cops trying to intimidate ppl
sergiomash 4 months ago
The driver has his right to refuse to answer anything. That's where the right to stay silent comes from. The other guys did not need to provide their ID as they did nothing wrong. This was suppose to be a quick stop for a burned out LP light. All they needed to do was check the Driver's license and the registration and Plate. Maybe issue a fixing ticket... This was over called for. They were already suspecting these guys of something else to begin with.
MusiicIAm 4 months ago
i hate every person in that car ur all damn annoying
lje327 4 months ago
sir im gonna have to confiscate those pringles.
amaiagi 4 months ago
Stupid officers like these are a disgrace to the force and make the entire department look bad.
Antiecm 4 months ago
@Antiecm stupid officers like these are a majority of the entire dept
itsmejimjones1931 4 months ago
Why doesnt the pastor just show his ID? It would save alot of hasles.
angellicvoices 4 months ago
@angellicvoices
He did.
josacape 4 months ago
Why not have answered the first question? I think it would have avoided all the rest.
It was only a matter of routine ...
If I asked something to my daughter and she would have said ''This is my business,'' I would have become suspicious, like everyone I think.
liduq 4 months ago
@liduq
Anything you say can be use against you... The cop needs to learn that the citizen doesn't have to answer.
josacape 4 months ago
@josacape Rigth from the start, the license plate is in the dark. It's already suspicious to the police. Then the policeman (politely) asked him a simple routine question, the answer... ''That's my business'' it's look even more suspicious. Then the ''pastor'' make it harder and harder... His camera was even already prepared for his little show. He behaves like an arrogant teenager.
By the way, this ''pastor'' is a troublemaker, he has problems practicaly wherever he is.
liduq 4 months ago
@liduq
Because LP lights don't break, right? Then the citizen politely answered his simple question with a simple answer. Suspicious of what? LOL. It was an iPhone, and so what if he recorded the encounter? Everyone should, the police do.
josacape 4 months ago 2
@liduq said: "Then the policeman (politely) asked him a simple routine question, the answer... ''That's my business'' it's look even more suspicious. "
I don't see how. It's not like the driver did anything unlawful, or even seem to be unlawful, by refusing to answer 'a simple routine question'.
And the courts agree with me about this.
Pafoofnik1 4 months ago
@liduq -he is not that cops son and he is right, where he is going is none of the cops business.
steelersX01 4 months ago
@liduq but the driver of the car isnt the police officers daughter
RespectProcess 4 months ago
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liduq 4 months ago
So that's like 3 counts of assault with a deadly weapon.. what happened to these cops?
potatojew 4 months ago
I think This is that silly ass hole pastor that finally got the border patrol & highway patrol to zap him 6 or 8 time and smash his face into the pavement. He won the criminal trial. I believe and he has civil filed against the government. I think he wants it to happen to him again.
samten10a 4 months ago
i'd like to be locked alone in a cage with that fucking pig, WITHOUT his weapons. lets see how tough his bitch ass is then
darmhok 4 months ago
This video is a great example of police bluffing.
As shown, the cop had no authority to order passengers out but he tried to bluff them out. They called his bluff and remained seated. And the cop could do nothing.
yoyo762 4 months ago
Looks to me like an individual looking for a confrontation. Yes, this means you, Pastor.
txmoney 4 months ago
arrest the driver for interference with official acts then tow the car, finally do a vehicle inventory
djwick50 4 months ago
@djwick50 said: "arrest the driver for interference with official acts"
Have a cite for this statute?
Pafoofnik1 4 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 719.1, obviously each states code number will be different
djwick50 4 months ago
@djwick50: Obviously.
Have a cite to the Arizona statute? Surely you looked it up before commenting about it.
Pafoofnik1 4 months ago
@Pafoofnik113-2402 obstructing governmental operations is what i would have to guess i live in iowa so im not familiar with Arizona code . there is no need to be a smart ass about it. everything could have been avoided if the driver would have rolled his window down all the way and answered simple questions. people like this make officers jobs difficult.
djwick50 4 months ago
@djwick50: I'm not being a smart ass. You suggest that an officer here can "arrest the driver for interference with official acts".
I'm trying to find out if this is a legal avenue, or if you made it up on the fly. It's looking like you did the latter.
Pafoofnik1 4 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 i did not make it up on the fly. if you are looking for any sort of code for a situation like this i gave you iowas code 719.1 its not arizonas but it gives you the answer
djwick50 4 months ago
@djwick50: You said "arrest the driver for interference with official acts".
If you would have read the Arizona law before you referred to it, you would know that "using or threatening to use violence or physical force" is required before a person falls under Arizona's obstructing charge. But it looks like you didn't read it first or you would have known this.
Pafoofnik1 4 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 i never said i was referring to arizona code, it was a general comment, i said each state is different, you wanted me to find arizonas code, i failed, but i have showed iowas code, read it. in iowa this driver could be arrested
djwick50 4 months ago
@djwick50: You have already found Arizona's statute (A.R.S. 13-2402). The statute doesn't allow officers to do what you want, which is "arrest the driver for interference with official acts".
And this is the point I am making.
Iowa doesn't allow it either, bit I don't see any reason to dwell on that aspect.
Pafoofnik1 4 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 no the code here doesnt allow officers to do what they want, but a person who knowingly resists or obstructs anyone known by the person to be a peace officer in the performance of any act which is within the scope of the lawful duty or authority of that officer. simply saying get out of the car and that person refusing in the manner he did is grounds enough.
djwick50 4 months ago
@djwick50: Like I said, there is no reason for us to dwell on non-Arizona laws while we discuss your inaccurate assertion about Arizona law.
Pafoofnik1 4 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 i was never talking bout arizona law in the first place. im letting know that people can be arrested or given a pta not follwing a lawful order.
djwick50 4 months ago
@djwick50: Of course you were talking about Arizona law. You said: "arrest the driver for interference with official acts then tow the car"
Where did you preamble that with "Drag the driver over to my state, then..."?
Are you saying the driver didn't follow a lawful order? When? Time stamp please...
Pafoofnik1 4 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 no i wasnt. you are the one talking bout arizona law. next time i will put "in iowa" before i comment. you failed to realize i told you more than once i dont know how their code will read. it was just a comment that you took and ran with it.
you also said iowa doesnt allow it either, well when he was told to step out of the car he said no. here it fits.
djwick50 4 months ago
@djwick50: Of course I am talking about Arizona law. This video was taken in Arizona.
You said that this Arizona driver should have been arrested for interference... I responded that this is not a lawful approach.
And now I'm watching you spend 7 comments doing everything but saying something like: "Oh, I see."
And also waiting for comment #8 to see where it goes.
Pafoofnik1 4 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 comment #8: Oh I see. Chill out, dont be so up tight. so have you read our code yet?
djwick50 4 months ago
@djwick50: 13-2402 doesn't come into play here because a person must be: "using or threatening to use violence or physical force".
Pafoofnik1 4 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 i understand people having right but this is going over board, if you truly have nothing to hide just answer question respectfully and you will be on you way simple as that. police did the correct thing. be respectful to someone and you get it back. the driver was not respectful he was cocky in how he explained things to the officer, if you don't see that then...
djwick50 4 months ago
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@djwick50 said: "this is going over board" So you are the final decision maker about these peoples actions?
And said: "if you truly have nothing to hide just answer question respectfully". There is no 'nothing to hide' prerequisite when exercising a right.
Pafoofnik1 4 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 officer safety is the most important thing them, they would like to go home at the end of the night. if you have a weapon in the car tell them you have one and where it is located at.
djwick50 4 months ago
@djwick50: Why are you changing the subject? I'll be happy to discuss this new subject just as soon as we finish with the subject at had.
Pafoofnik1 4 months ago
@djwick50 Where in the constitution does it state that cop safety trumps individual rights?
I have news for ya; citizens have no duty to tell a cop if they have dirty needles in their pockets when a cop searches them. In fact, if they say they don't have needles and the cop sticks themselves, the person can be arrested for lying to the cop. But if they remain silent and don't tell the cop anything and the cop sticks himself, its tough luck. No charge for remaining silent and not telling.
yoyo762 4 months ago
@yoyo762 i really doubt the constitution says anything about officer safety. but if you remained silent after the officer has asked if you have anything in your pockets