Spirits incarnate, living as humans in our midst; moving openly and freely, yet undetected by the masses, or even their hosts. Like the spasms of a decapitated body, the fact of the matter, thats precisely what it is; if you really think about it. Their illusions are many, which overtake the sleepwalking masses. Now know that they do take flesh and walk among men, to mold a new species. Die young and stay pretty. It's just a message for the stoke: SaintVeil
@Changeling9au dude not to make u guys made but did u guys hear gangs are trafficing american girls and somalian girls in other countrys why are people so sick and twisted?(000).
you are a disgusting typical american that supports israel. how ignorant of you mentioning the palestinian teenagers that fight for their country. you obviously know nothing about war and pride. never watching ur stupid videos again!111111111
Fearing people because of their religion, attacking religious minorities or hating people solely on the basis of a religion you don't understand is indeed irrational. I shouldn't have to be explaining that to you, hate and fear for religious minorities is irrational and immoral, as you clearly agree, since you dishonestly accuse me of being bigoted while simultaneously advocating bigotry yourself.
Is it possible to spread democracy, peace, freedom and prosperity by: 1. Building an illegal wall that steals Palestinian land? 2. Ignoring international law and human rights? 3. Stealing Palestinian land and water? 4. Bulldozing Palestinian homes? 5. Restricting peoples movement and killing their economy and society? 6. Killing innocent men, women and children daily? 7. Apartheid? 8. Ethnic Cleansing?! etc... You israelis / zionists / neocons will have to explain to me how this works... .
Another American who spends more time bleating lies about Middle Easterners, than taking responsibility for the actions of a superpower which has killed millions and wrecked several countries.
When Israel starts deploying agent orange, indiscriminate use of napalm, and showering countries with tons of depleted uranium, then they might *begin* to have a point.
Ok, I'll tell you again, because my money is paying for the oppression of the palestinians, it's being done in my name, by my government. The palestinians are the largest refugee group in the world today, and here in america, almost no one knows the truth. It's perfectly acceptable to care about Sudan, Zimbabwe, and the Congo as well, I won't cast aspersions on you or pretend to wonder why you care about these people and not some other people of my choosing.
Your grandparents were slaveholding hicks who whipped slaves and tortured blacks. You are most likely a closet KKK member who hides behind "moral superiority" which is complete bunk.
Thank you! My ancestors were actually rather poor, and only a small percentage (maybe 10%) of all southerners were rich enough to have slaves. My grandparents certainly weren't old enough to own slaves, and in fact both of my grandfathers risked their lives to bring hitler's fascism to an end, one served in guadalcanal, the other stormed the beach at normandy and braved the battle of the bulge. I am not a racist, that's why I don't like israel. Thanks so much for asking :)
So your theory is that my grandparents were adults before 1865? You do realize that would have meant that they died when they were about 200 years old, right :)
Actually, total Ameican aid/loans to Israel don't pay for the 'occupation.' While the numbers look tremendous what Israel recieves from America on a yearly basis is an extremely fraction of what it spends on the military. Opercation Cast Lead alone may have cost more than the yearly aid to Israel. Israel's policies with regards to the Palestinians would be unaffected by the loss of American money. The loss of American support would, if anything, make Israel's policies harsher.
Every bullet in the back of a palestinian child comes from the US, Israel could not carry on it's occupation without the military and economic largesse of the US. Even if what you say were true, I would still support withdrawing all support from israel and imposing an arms embargo until the IDF transforms itself from a death squad for helpless civilians into an actual military. And yes, when enough americans know the truth, US support will end, and we'll see what happens.
The interesting thing about the Palestinian refugees is that they are the only group of refugees from the 20th century that were not resettled and integrated into the countries they fled to which is one of the reasons that the UN definition of a refugee does not include children born after their parents became refugees. The Arab nations could have resettled them but they didn't want them and used them as a wedge issue against Israel. The UN also seems to want to keep their 'refugee' status.
They are refugees, the largest group of refugees in the world, and they will remain refugees until they are allowed to return to the houses they own, as is demanded by international law. You want to lump the arab countries in the same category as israel, I got no problem with that, they haven't helped the refugees much, but israel CREATED the refugees.
No, the UNRWA created it and keeps them there in that situation. Letting Filistinians be intergrated as citizens of Lebanon, Jordan or Syria. This UN toilet agency would cease to have a meaning. Israel has integrated them into Israeli society, they are Knesset members who are Palestinians, there are high ranking soldiers int the IDF who are Arabs. My father was from Egypt. His family got thrown out of Egypt along with the rest of Egyptian Jewry after 1948 everything they had was confiscated.
And the situation of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank is nowhere near as bad as you make it sound. They are not starving like in Zimbabwe and are not ignored by the world like in the Congo. Their populaation is INCREASING, which would be the first time in recorded history that a population did so under ethnic cleansing and/or genocide as is happening right now in Sudan. Israel treats many of them in its hospitals, including Palestinians wounded in Operation Cats Lead.
Yes, the congo, suddenly you care so much about it because it allows you to justify starving people, killing them, and stealing their things (not really, but you think it does). I can't wait to see your videos about the congo and how horrible it is. Yes, the palestinians are managing to survive so far, what a shame, right? Israel had better treat every single person it maimed during cast lead, that's not some favor you're doing them, it's just the tip of the iceberg of what you owe them.
OK. Why do you jump on the Congo, specifically, out of the examples I give. And why do you make up international law out of thin air? First there were those rules about occupation you came up with that contradict every international agreement about it since the Hague convention of 1907, now you talk about obligations that also don't exist in international law, at the most in nonbinding UN resolutions.
Because you jump on the congo specifically as a rationalization for the crimes of israel. The world court ruled that the west bank, gaza and east jerusalem are "occupied palestinian territory". Israel used white phosphorous and experimental dime explosives intentionally on civilian populations, this was a war crime and a massacre, and you support it, and even go so far as to lie and say it's all legal.
That's what people really don't like about you. You put words in their mouths. I used the Congo, Zimbanwe, and Sudan as examples of humanitarian situations that are far worse than even your propoganda would lead anyone to believe is happening to the Palestinians. I did not use the Congo more than I used Sudan or Zimbabwe and I never said that I think that everything Israel has done is legal. You probably confused me with with someone else on that last point., if you are not lying yourself.
Those who preach hate against muslims or jews don't like me, people who attempt to justify the murder of women and children or the theft of their land and homes because they are the wrong race don't like me, that is true, and I am very thankful for that.
READ the comments you recive on your videos. Jew haters seem to consider you what Lenin called a "useful idiot." Justifying the murder of women and children is justifying the Deir Yassin massacre, and suicide bombings, and the recent ax murder, and the SNIPER SHOOTING OF A TEN MONTH OLD, and the point blank murder of an entire family with the stomache of the pregnant mother shot for good measure, and the launching of thousands of missles, and the stockpiling of weapons in schools and Mosques.
NO, you read MY comments. I don't tolerate antisemites spewing their hate all over my channel, I set them straight whenever I can, if that's being an idiot then fine, I got no problem with that. I don't justify suicide bombing or killing of israeli civilians, I never have, many people who support israel do try to justify the killing of palestinians to me, while simultaneously condemning the killing of israelis. I am not that kind of hypocrite.
Occasionally you respond to "set them straight;" oddly in a more cordial manner than how you respond to anti-Arab racists. I found your exchange with freedomfighterone encouraging. But the thing about racists is that they don't need people to agree with them completely, just to justify their racism in their own minds. There are also numerous such posts that you don't respond to at all, even though you can't pass up responding to pro-zionists.
"to challenge the jews is so dangerous they might kill you as they killed kennedy or some american journalists,so n8glenn is not a traitor but a brave man.you are a traitor yingyyangboy" This is a quote from allmenwomen that you let pass. I chose it because it lacked cursing. The Jews killing JFK is a rumor I've heard before on YouTube, and is one of the strangest I've ever heard. I have to agree with you that ScuzzylilAmeriWhore doesn't seem to have a point other than to insult you.
Thank you for bringing that to my attention, I don't think I have seen that. What video was that on? I have heard this sort of thing before, I think it comes from that speech where he talks of a "vast evil conspiracy". Of course what people don't seem to remember was that this was said during the cold war and he was almost certainly talking about the soviet union. Not the "jews in the media". I would encourage you to let me know when you see these things on my channel.
I don't always see every comment posted on my channel, sometimes they get by me. Yes, I am (usually, not always) more cordial with anti-semites than with islamophobes, but I have in fact been cordial with islamophobes when I thought it was possible. I would rather talk some sense into a racist than antagonize them, sometimes I don't have that opportunity, or my anger gets the best of me and I tell them what I really think. I'm only human.
Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi. A 2005 study by Nebel et al, based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their host populations in Europe.
According to Princeton University professor Bernard Lewis: "This theory is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics."
"The so called Jews are Kazars from Kazaria, came to Mid East in 800s."
ROFL! Who told you *that*?
For a start, it's Khazar and Khazaria, and even those who like to waffle on a similar line to you don't try to claim the Khazars came to the Middle East.
Israel is a CRIMINAL STATUS : the most brutal in the history of mankind
they take the reaction of the devastated victims then mega-highlighted by the Media "where they are in control & good at" to slaughter more innocents to cover and "justify" the ongoing GENOCIDE since 1948
fighting Israel by all means necessary is every Human duty
This is what burns me about anti-israel activists in general. To so many of them Israel's "crimes" are worse than anything that happened or is happening in Germany, Russia, China, Sudan, Rwanda, Congo, Zimbabwe, South Africa, pick your Arab country, ect. Many of them either don't know about or deny these atrocities. There is a video on YouTube of a speech at an anti-Israel rally several years ago where the speaker claims that there is no genocide in Sudan. This is almost typical.
This channel is No.13 after the 12 before had been banned from comment on Aljazeera channel videos & deleted ?!
Qatar also had strong business relations with the criminal status of Israel?!
We are on the same line in this
Khaled Sheikh Mohammed whom become the (9/11) "master mind" resides in Qatar in (9-11-2001) according to the official investigation papers? the same Aljazeera which "market" the Arabic part of (9/11) Media?
Strikes me as odd how n8glenn is not concerned with the over 300,000 Palestinians expelled from Kuwait after the first Gulf War? Or the many accounts of widespread torture and murder of Palestinians living in Kuwait after the war. I have never heard him mention this...not once....not a word. I'm sure I must have missed it. lol Curious.
I certainly know that that little Fiefdom exploited Palestinian Arab labourers, along with other impoverished "guest workers".
Western anti-Zionists are no threat to Israel, and no help to the Arabs. One of their Geopolitical roles is to be a fake opposition to Globalist policy in the Middle East, while actually rallying to support it.
This is why I referred to "Imperialistic arrogance" in the title of this vid.
"Government officials, supported by most Kuwaitis, have decided they will never again become a minority in their own country. As a result, nearly 400,000 Palestinians have been expelled. More than half a million other foreigners have also left and are not expected to return."
"Saudi Arabia evicted as many as 800,000 Yemeni workers in 1990 to punish Yemen for supporting Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. And Kuwait did the same thing to nearly half a million Palestinian workers after the Persian Gulf war to punish Mr. Arafat and the P.L.O. for taking the wrong side."
They understood that they needed to concentrate on Israel, because hey everyone hates Jews. I mean their former Nazi leader Haj Amin Al-Husseini got away with convincing Heinrich Himmler to gas 5,000 Jewish Children. They knew that if Israel responded to them attacking Israeli civilians Israel would be called an oppressor.
He was *far* worse than that. He was co-architect of the "final solution" along with Adolph Eichmann.
If the testimony of Dieter Wisliceny is to be believed, he was the dominant partner.
Husseini's role in this important history has been whitewashed. In 1948, the >100,000 workers who descended on New York to protest the US/British arms embargo on the Israeli Jews, knew exactly who Husseini was.
Thankfully the Palestinians eventually realized there's no point in claiming all of former Trans-Jordan is their land. They realized hey we're never going to get anything if we fight everyone who we believe stole our land, they understood that if they fought a muslim nation like Jordan for ''their'' land, Jordan would be able to kill all of them in a day and get away with it (Muslim nation remember).
Its not like any other nation had ever ''oppressed'' Palestinians after Palestinians had attacked it. Well maybe Jordan in the 70s (Black September) when Arafat and the gang tried to take Jordan over, because they felt Jordan was also ''Palestinian'' land, but w/e Jordan only killed like 20,000 Palestinians in one month and forced Arafat and the gang to flee to Lebanon, where they would later help start the Lebanese Civil war.
It's important to remember that the PLO (Fatah), explicitly denied any claim to Jordanian land - including the West Bank until 1968 when they slightly modified their charter.
The PLO, and the Western anti-Zionist movement, couldn't really give a toss about the Human Beings generally referred to as "Palestinians" - they just use them as political props and as a psychological outlet for pity and - sometimes unconscious - antisemitism.
Its seems weird to me, I mean its not as if Palestinians do anything bad to Israelis, common a few thousand rockets launched into Israel w/e, a couple hundred suicide bombings, who cares?
Palestinians are being ''oppressed'', because they choose to attack Israeli civilians, including Arab Israelis (Many of whom are Muslims). Its strange Arab Israelis (the majority of whom are Muslim, so they are Arab-Race nd Muslim-Religion) aren't being oppressed yet Palestinians are.
It's a tragic irony that before Israel (under massive US pressure) allowed the Fatah Nazi "liberators" in to lord over the Gaza and WB Arabs, there was relatively little terrorism and nothing like the kind of Israeli military responses we've seen in recent times.
According to Yehuda HaKohen of the Zionist Freedom Alliance, if Israel allowed the Palis to choose between Fatah, Hamas and autonomy under Israeli rule, they would almost certainly choose the latter.
Nate, I think you need to educate yourself. And by that I mean read some books by historians who don't hate Israel. Historians who don't think that Zionism is the original sin. You might learn that all you have read is not the whole story. This conflict is complex, and reading only a handful of New Historians does not give you an accurate picture. But I suspect you are not interested in historical truth....just trying to reinforce your ideologically driven narrative.
Ok then, suspect away. I do not read history to be deceived or to reinforce my opinions, which incidentally started out very pro israel. I read history to learn the truth, and even if I am wrong about the 1948 war, I know that what is happening to palestinians today is wrong and cannot possibly be justified.
Actually, right after partition was voted on the situation in Palestine became a free for all, although the Jews in the early weeks fought mostly defensively, adopting "wait and see" and "no retreat" policies.
The zionist militias took the offensive in driving out palestinian villages late in 1947, of course there was violence on the part of the palestinians in some areas, but mostly they were just driven out by force, they had little ability to defend themselves, because they were completely crushed and mostly disarmed after the "arab revolt" of 1936. The zionists won the war and could have accepted 56% of the land, they decided to take what they could instead of implementing the partition.
n8glenn SAID: "If Al Qaeda was the elected government of a nation that we were at war with, then yes, I would think that we should make peace with them."
I think this comment of YOURS, you made on your channel over a month ago sums up perfectly your total lack of judgment and utter moral bankruptcy. Makes me think your endless bloviating is not just out of animus for Israel, but out of a fundamental lack of moral and historical understanding of evil in this world.
Can you actually give an argument of a better course of action in dealing with the elected government of a nation we are at war with? All nations at war with other nations end up talking and negotiating sooner or later, so do you have a new course of action that nobody ever thought of before?
n8glenn SAID: "99% of all germans voted for hitler."
LOL...another one of your interesting little tidbits of history Nate...what is your source for that? haha. And who said that they hold German citizens today accountable for what the Nazis did to the Jews? Hmmm...nobody. And I must agree, you do display a complete ignorance of history...I think adawillig was quite astute in his observation.
You can quibble with me over numbers, I don't care, I'm not a historian and I don't look up every number I give you, the point of my argument is what is important. You can't dispute my point so you quibble over my numbers and cackle like a little child when you can spot some minor inaccuracy in my statement. Of course you didn't say that you hold the germans responsible, that was my whole point, you shouldn't mention the mufti in this conversation about the rights of arabs, it's irrelevant.
Do I have to remind you that you don't know the first thing about israel, which you supposedly have a degree in? You didn't even know who started the war of independence, or who started the 1967 war, for crying out loud. Go back in your glass house and stop throwing stones.
LOL....Nate I think you live in some fantasy land. Israel accepted partition and it was the Arabs who refused to accept any compromise. And on January 9, 1948 over a 1,000 Arabs attacked Jewish communities in northern Palestine which was the first stage of the War of Independence. Then in May five Arab armies (Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq) invaded Israel.
The ethnic cleansing of palestine began 5 months before the first arab armies intervened, in late 1947, as I told you before. But fine, israel accepted the partition? That means that israel exists on 56 percent of the british mandate of palestine, along side a free and independent palestinian state, with internationally controlled borders and an internationally controlled city of jerusalem. Right? Is that your argument? If this isn't the case, then israel did not accept the partition.
Nations at war for the most part hold "final negotiations" only after one side has definitively defeated the other. Even that is wishful thinking. The reality of the last several centuries is that negotiations preceded war and after the wars ended the victors humiliated the losers instead of negotiating with them. The Cold War was an exception in that neither side would commit to war due to the prospect of mutualy assured destruction. In most cases the elected governments were disbanded.
There is no palestinian state, and the palestinian people are already about as humiliated and defeated as they are ever likely to get, so what more do you want from them? Why not negotiate with them and make peace instead of insisting that they promise you never to resist your aggression in the future?
n8glenn: You can BLOCK me from your channel, but you can't block most people from discovering the truth. And that is that, although Israel is not perfect, it is morally elevated from most of the other countries in the Middle East and certainly from the pathological Palestinian society that glorifies some of the the most disgusting barbarism the world has ever known. Israel is a vibrant multicultural democracy....as much as you hate that. :) NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE!
I'm glad I blocked you and your incessant racist rants. Palestinian society is "pathological"? You are a pathological racist and you have no idea what you're talking about, especially where israel is concerned. The palestinian people deserve the same rights as you, and they will have them one day, whether you like it or not, and isreal will be TRULY multicultural, not a "jewish state" as you wish it to be. I'm glad I had the chance to destroy you in this debate.
And the saddest part of all this is that at Camp David II Israel offered Arafat a Palestinian State in all of Gaza, 98% of the West Bank and half of Jerusalem....Arafat said NO and started another intifada. All the revisionist history in the world can't change this, NATE! But to you Bill Clinton, Prince Bandar, Abu Mazen, Dennis Ross are all not telling the truth. LOL It really is hard to take you serious. You and people like you do not help Palestinians, you actually do them a disservice.
Is that so, then tell me, who walked out of camp david ii? Was it arafat? Arafat demanded the minimum that his people could possibly accept. Israel has never, and will never offer the palestinians anything except less of their land in exchange for peace (which they won't give anyway), simply because israel is powerful and the stateless palestinian refugees are not.
And Arafat walked out of Camp David without even offering a counter proposal.The rules of Camp David were that all offers are only on the table while at Camp David, so as to avoid a situation where the parties would try to use these historically significant offers as a way to get even further concessions down the road. At Taba in January 2001 the Palestinians even withdrew some of the concessions they had already agreed to. Then the Palestinians turned to violence again to try and get even more.
N8gglenn, haha, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what you claim to know about, that I am almost embarrassed for you. I encourage anyone who has doubts to read Dennis Ross or Bill Clinton or Prince Bandar, or Abu Mazen's remarks on the topic.
Ok, sure, you keep reading prince bandar and bill clinton and I'll keep reading the historians and scholars. You keep spouting racist nonsense and I'll keep talking about human rights and equality. You keep displaying your ignorance of history and I'll keep explaining basic facts to you like who started the war in 1967, and you can be embarrassed for me all you want, you ignorant racist.
You can call me names, but that is the language of simple minded people who are incapable of resorting to logic and reason. Israeli Arabs have more human rights and political rights living in Israel than do Arabs living in any other country in the Middle East. Historians and scholars fine, but not JUST New Historians. You need to discover the other side. You need to seek truth, not just look for "facts" that support your opinions on the subject. Conflict is not black and white.
Yes, I have given you plenty of logical rebuttals to your assertions, and I have also accurately described you, because you refuse to consider that what israel is doing to arabs is wrong, and because you think arabs are untrustworthy and that they want their children to die and for many other reasons, you are a racist. Perhaps israeli arabs have more rights than arabs living under the US supported dictatorships, but that is no excuse for oppressing them or for killing them.
One day the Arabs will love their children more than they hate Israel and decide to coexist. Untill then Israel has no choice but to defend herself. This conflict is not about the so called "occupation"...it is about the Arabs accepting Israel's right to exist in peace. There could have been a Palestinian state in 1948 and several times since, but the Arabs have constantly refused to coexist....that is the problem. Both sides have valid claims to the land...coexistence is the only answer.
Such a typical racist thing to say, this is all because "arabs don't love their children". What utter nonsense. You have lied to yourself for so long that you no longer make any sense. It's not an occupation, but the west bank isn't israel either! The arabs have no right to citizenship, but they have no right to self determination either! The arabs even started the zionist war of independence! Coexistence is the only answer, but you don't want that, you want power and ethnic privilege.
Anyone who would vote for a terrorist group like Hamas which sends the young people of Palestine to go blow themselves up on buses in Israel...hates Israel more than they love their children. Parents who love their children don't send them to murder other children and kill themselves.
Palestinians DON'T send their children to kill themselves, you deluded madman. Why would anyone do such a thing? Just how racist are you that you could even conceive of such a thing? Suicide bombers are almost always a response to military occupation, and suicide bombers almost always decide themselves to commit suicde because they have witnessed the death of a loved one at the hands of the occupier and they want to end their misery and get revenge. They aren't sent by their parents.
You are wrong. Your words display a real lack of knowledge about how the concept of martyrdom is elevated in Palestinian society to be a supreme virtue. Hamas sends the children of Palestine to go kill themselves and as many Israelis as they can take with them. This is a simple fact. Palestinian children are brainwashed with cartoons and the like, to think that being a shaheed (suicide bomber) is the highest honor and fastest way to reach paradise in the afterlife.
Bullshit. I would ask you to prove this but I know you won't do it, because you can't. You have never been able to back up anything you've said and I have despaired of trying to get you to, because you simply ignore me and go on making baseless assertions, so you keep on spouting these anti-arab racist myths if you want.
Israel told Jordan, don't enter the war...Jordan then decided to shell Israel and they LOST the west bank which they were ILLEGALLY occupying. Most of the people killed in Gaza were not civilians...that is total propaganda on your part. What is orwellian is that you defend Palestinian nationalism, which has employed some of the the worst terrorism the world has seen. Makes the Irgun and Sterngang look like pussycats.
You mean the terrorist irgun and stern gang? Well, I don't really support a two state solution, or "palestinian nationalism". I support a one state solution, a secular democracy with equal rights for all citizens. But again, israel started the 1967 war, that is a fact, I'm not defending jordan, I'm just telling you the facts, and if you want to talk about illegal, try the 40 year occupation of the west bank by israel, that is certainly illegal.
It is absolutely not illegal----Judea and Samaria and Gaza were won in a defensive war and are disputed territory. Under International Law Egypt's closure of the Strait of Tiran was an an ACT OF WAR. In 1965 35 terrorist raids were conducted against Israel from Egypt. In 1966 the number increased to 41. In just the first four months of 1967 37 attacks were launched. So it is hard to say that Israel did not have reason to respond.
You don't get it do you? Either the west bank is israel or it's not. If it is israel then every palestinian there deserves equal citizenship and a vote, if it is not, as israel maintains, then it is an illegal military occupation of palestinian land. Which do you want to argue? You lose either way.
No, it is not Palestinian land. It is disputed land. It is the heartland of Jewish history. You really have no clue about Jewish history. And I'm not talking about the bible....as I'm a 100% secular Zionist. Both sides have valid claims to the land. It is not an illegal military occupation, as Israel was attacked by Jordan...who did not have any right to be there. And then after the war, the Arabs refused to negotiate a peace deal in their three famous NOs and in their refusal to accept 242.
What the heck does jewish history have to do with the ownership of the west bank? But it makes no difference to me, if you want the west bank, then take it, and give every palestinian there israeli citizenship with full equality. The arabs had no reason to accept 242 and give up half of their country, and israel never accepted 242 either, because they never implemented it.
Israel has always accepted 242 and it is impossible to implement it without the other side meetings its obligations under 242. Israeli Arabs have full equality under Israeli law. I don't think it would be wise to give Palestinians living in the West Bank who want to destroy Israel, the right of citizenship. They should have their own State....but only if they are mature enough to stop trying to kill Jews and destroy Israel. If not, then they can rot lin refugee camps forever.
How patronizing of you, only if they are mature enough? Get over yourself. You have no right to prevent them from having their own state or being israeli citizens, you have no right to rule over them and give them no vote and no human rights. Israel never implemented 242, and it had ALL THE POWER TO DO SO! It did not need permission from the poor refugees that it evicted from their homes. You have no right to treat arabs as if they are less than yourself, period.
And if the MAJORITY of the Palestinian electorate continue to democratically elect leaders that seek to commit genocide and destroy Israel...then yes, they will ROT forever....consumed with hate and war. There are consequences for a populace that supports mass murder. If you make your bed, you need to sleep in it. And I don't mind Palestinians using violence, that is their right, I just think it is reprehensible that they target children and civilians as opposed to combatants.
Wrong again, hamas wants a peaceful two state solution, not genocide, and you on the other hand, want to punish the entire palestinian population, including women and children, for not voting the way you think they should. Targeting women and children (as the IDF does regularly) is reprehensible, and punishing women and children for disagreeing with you politically is also reprehensible, and your insistence that all palestinians become Ghandi or rot in camps forever is reprehensible.
N8glenn, can you read? You say that I want all Palestinians to become Ghandi?? I just said it is their right to use violence, just not to target civilians, as that is a WAR CRIME! And as if you have not totally discredited yourself already, when you say that Hamas wants a peaceful two state solution, well that is just laughable, so far removed from reality. What color is the sky in your world? As I said in the past, a hunda or ceasefire, is not a permanent peace....just time for them to rearm.
You said that all palestinians must renounce violence and stop trying to kill jews or fight israel or they will rot in camps forever, then you changed your mind and stated that violence was ok as long as it isn't against civilians, but you seem to have no problem with the violence in gaza directed at civilians because they voted for hamas, which you rationalize by saying that it's not "collective punishment" but "collective responsibility". Yeah, sure.
You want to know if I can read? Apparently so, I know more about the history of israel than you do, and you've got a "degree in middle eastern studies", which I think you should get a full refund for. Of course you think that if you make peace with arabs that they're just secretly getting ready to kill you, because of your anti-arab racism. What would they have to do to satisfy you, start negotiations by promising never to fight you ever again, no matter how many of them you kill?
N8glenn, I actually wasted my time and watched some of your early videos when I first discovered your channel, so I know your knowledge of the conflict is rather superficial, as you admit.You only know the Palestinian narrative as revisited by the New Historians. Hamas wants a tactical hunda until they can acquire more weapons to destroy Israel. They have NEVER said they would accept a permanent peace deal based acceptance of living in peace next to the Jewish State of Israel.
You can't expect your enemies to promise never to fight you again before you even negotiate with them! Has israel ever promised never to fight palestinians again no matter what? My knowledge of israel is certainly not perfect, but it is much better than yours. You seem to know only myths and nonsense which reinforce your racist view of arabs and your claims to special privilege and power based on the fact that you are jewish.
Of course hamas has stated they wanted to see a two state solution, but they never promised that they would never, ever fight israel again, no matter what, and really that would be a ridiculous statement for any country or political movement to make. Israel would never make that promise to the palestinians, or anybody else, and you would not expect them to. You only expect your "slaves" the arabs to promise eternal obedience to your worshipfulness.
You sound rather foolish...creating all these silly straw arguments. I don't want Hamas to make any promises other than to accept the right of the Jewish State of Israel to exist and live in secure boarders next to the Palestinian State. That is it....but they will NEVER agree to such terms....they only agree to a hunda....to fight anther day when they are stronger.
I agree, I do sound foolish when I quote you. No one accepts the "RIGHT" of another state to exist, no one! Countries do recognize that other countries exist, and they talk to them, but they never talk about a right to exist, this is the real straw man argument, that israel has employed to pretend that palestinians don't recognize israel, which they do, and to distract us from the fact that israel does not recognize the existence of the palestinian people, let alone a palestinian state.
"If not, then they can rot lin refugee camps forever" -- You inhuman monster. Israel is the reason they are in the refugee camps in the first place, and you think you have the right to say that if ANY palestinian wishes to fight back in a violent manner because of their oppression that the entire palestinian people can just rot in a camp forever? How would you like it if someone held you to that standard? And condemned you based on your race because there is some jew somewhere who is violent?
First, sorry to remind you, but there would not be ONE Palestinian refugee had the Arabs not attacked Israel in May 1948 and STARTED the war. So the refugee problem that was created as a result of the war that Israel did not start, is not the fault of Israel. Second, the Arabs have decided to keep the Palestinians in the refugee camps for all these years so as to use them as a political tool.....if the oil RICH Arab countries wished to, they could close the refugee camps tomorrow.
Wrong. The zionist militias started the war in late 1947 by ethnically cleansing palestinians. This continued for 5 months before any arab states intervened, and almost all of the battles occurred on land designated by the UN for the palestinian state. This is a fact that all israeli historians agree on and you should know. The palestinian refugees did not come from "oil rich arab countries", they came from israel. If you kick someone out of their home it is your fault they are in a camp.
HA! What rubbish. You said "all Israeli historians agree"....all Israeli historians agree on NOTHING and certainly not your revisionist history that the Zionist militias started the war. I could name many Israeli historians who would laugh at your assertion that the Zionists started the war. Prior to May 1948 many Palestinians decided to leave for Egypt...to stay safe. The refugee problem was created because of the Arab invasion of Israel....according to Benny Morris.
Not true. Benny Morris admits that the zionist militias ethnically cleansed the palestinians, and defends it! Read any other israeli historian, Ilan Pappe, Avi Shlaim, Shlomo Ben Ami (the former foreign minister of israel), and they will tell you the same thing, the ethnic cleansing of palestine began 5 months before the first arab response, and the operation was called "Plan Dalet" or plan D. 750,000 people fled their homes because of plan D, and have never been allowed to return.
I think you have read too much Pappe (the Israeli Ward Churchill). Plan D was mostly defensive in nature. And only a response to Arab/Palestinian violence and threats of war. The Arabs kept attacking Jewish convoys from villages adjacent to roads. Plan D's aim was to clear land of hostile inhabitants...out of the interior of the territory of the prospective Jewish State. Benny Morris says that some Palestinians were cleansed or expelled as a result of the war that the ARABS started.
Simple chronology proves your statement is false. Plan Dalet began 5 months before the first arab response. Simple geography proves your statement is wrong, most of the battles occurred on land designated for the palestinian state. Simple logic proves your statement is wrong, if it was simply a defensive action, there would have been no reason to prevent the refugees from returning to their homes after the fighting was over.
N8glenn....actually not so simple. When I referred to the Arabs I was referring to the Palestinian Arabs....as their was no independent Palestinian Arab identity in 1948...they were just the Arabs of Palestine. PLO members have admitted that the concept of a separate Palestinian identity was a tool used in the fight against Israel. And don't think it would have been smart for Israel to let a hostile population back into the belly of the country... when they refused to live in peace.
Hostile population? Israeli arabs are not a hostile population, they are second class citizens, but they are still willing to live in peace, even with less rights than jews have. If you gave them equal rights you would have nothing to fear from them, but you don't want that, you would rather have a "jewish democracy" than a true democracy.
Jewish history has to do with the right of the Jewish people to be there in the first place. Jews have lived their almost continuously for over 3000 years. That is why you and your ilk, sound silly calling Israelis imperialists or colonialists. Jews make up part of the indigenous people of the area. Before Mohammad was even born, Jews were already in exile. So Jewish history is very important.
Jews lived in the area 2000 years ago, so that gives you the right to drive people out of their homes and off of their lands because they are the wrong race? I don't think so, buddy. Ancient history is no excuse for war crimes and racism! I call you imperialists because you further the cause of imperial powers, and I call you colonialists because you colonize other people's land! And I call you a racist because you think your ethnicity gives you the right to take what does not belong to you.
The *partial* blockade of israel by egypt was an act of war, and guess what? The total, crushing blockade of gaza by israel is an act of war, by YOUR argument.
Hmmm....the suicide bombings that preceded the Israeli blockade of Gaza I think constitute an act of war! :) And I think the thousands of rockets Hamas has fired into Israeli towns constitute an act of war. And Palestinians broke the ceasefire before November 4th 2008, despite what you and Rick Sanchez say. My point in bring up the Mufti is that Palestinian nationalism was in part born out of Nazism. Both movements were allied with each other and help explain the mess today.
No, the suicide bombings were much earlier. The reason for the blockade is that the palestinians voted in a free election for the people israel did not like. The suicide bombings, although contemptible, were resistance against military occupation, as is usually the case with suicide bombings :) Hamas did not break the ceasefire, there were individuals who fired rockets, but there were no injuries from these rockets, and hamas arrested and prosecuted them.
The reason you mention the mufti is because you want to make excuses for the extreme oppression and murder of palestinians based on their ethnicity by demonizing all arabs and accusing them of being nazis, which as you said yourself, is sick. Palestinian nationalism was a response to colonization by the british and the zionists, and had nothing to do with naziism. Some palestinians may have collaborated with nazis on certain things, as some zionists did, but it doesn't make them nazis.
Both Carter and Dershowitz answered difficult accusatory questions....Carter's questions were pre-screened and Dershowtiz's were taken at random. More people attended the Carter speech, as he is a former President of the United States. But I did not see ANYONE leave after Dershowtiz started speaking. Just the opposite, it was quite heated and there was great interest in what he had to say. Nate, I JUST CAUGHT YOU IN ANOTHER LIE! NICE TRY! :)
N8glenn.....your nose is getting bigger. Come on, stop making up stories. I don't even believe that you tried to include a link. Seems like everything you say is a lie. I spent 3.5 years at Brandeis...I think I know a little bit more about the school than you do. Go to their website and read for yourself.
Prove it. I don't believe you for one second. I went to a website called the jewish daily forward and read article 9916, entitled "Carter Wins Over Student Crowd at Brandeis, Receives Ovation". They did not go into much detail, but they confirmed that half of the audience walked out before dershowitz began speaking. I should think you would know that if you had been there.
By the way, let me explain something to you that you will never understand, palestinians exist, they are real people, and they are human beings exactly equal to you in every way. Their rights are just as important as yours. Their lives are just as important as yours. They deserve the same respect and consideration you do. I know you will never accept that, but I'll tell you anyway. Now call me a liar if you want, and I will say the same about you, but I can back up my claims, and you can't.
n8glenn, you can't back up your claims...and that is why you BLOCKED me. You don't have to believe me, but I spent years at Brandeis and was there when Dersh and Carter spoke. Dersh did not start speaking for about 30 mins after Carter left. Some of the crowd did leave after Carter spoke...but you said "When he spoke at brandice, (a jewish university), half of the audience got up and walked out as soon as he opened his mouth" I WAS THERE...I AM CALLING YOU OUT ON YOUR LIE!
I already backed up my claim, I guess i was a bit inaccurate, but the fact is, half of the audience had no interest in hearing dershowitz, and they left. If you'd rather split hairs and call that lying, then go ahead, but you aren't fooling anyone. I backed up what I said, and you have never done so, never. You refuse to prove anything you say. Who do you think you're fooling? I blocked you because you are a racist and an apologist for war crimes and I got tired of hearing it.
There you go again, resorting to name calling. You can't win an argument with me on the merits because you know your revisionist history and slanders won't hold up. So when all else fails, you call me a racist. My favorite of your ridiculous claims is how you, like the Nazis, insist that Jews are a RACE. Funny, I did not know you could convert to a RACE. There will never be peace with people like you who refuse to see the humanity on BOTH sides.
Ha! Ok, let's go. What do you want to debate? I know you won't back up anything you say, but I'll debate you anyway. I didn't say that jews are a race, although some jews have made that claim to me, I don't believe it. I think jews have only religion in common and not ethnicity. But you are in fact a racist, because you don't believe that palestinians should have human rights equal to yours.
Ha! YOU DID REFER TO JEWS AS A RACE MANY TIMES ON YOUR CHANNEL! LOL When I confronted you on it, you said you did not want to have that discussion. lol Make sure you go back and delete all those posts where YOU call Jews a Race! ASAP. lol. And your assertion about me not thinking Palestinians have human rights equal to mine is silly and baseless.
Of course I did! So what? I used to think that was true, and many people still tell me it is true today, some of them jewish! I just changed my opinion after I learned more about the subject, that's no crime. But what has any of this to do with your prejudice against arabs? Are you trying to tell me that because judaism is not a race that you can't possibly be a racist, no matter how much you hate palestinians? That is a stretch, even for you.
You are entitled to change your mind. Just be honest about it. I love Palestinians who seek peace and wish to coexist. I hate Palestinians who want to kill me because I am a Jew. That does not make me a racist. And most Palestinians in the West Bank live under the authority of the PA...NOT ISRAEL!
I am honest about it, why wouldn't I be? The PA has no real authority, don't be naive. The real authority is with the IDF, which controls everything in the west bank, except what they *allow* the PA to claim control of. I'm sorry, but if you can look at the situation in israel and the occupied territories and not see a problem with how arabs are treated, then you are a racist. Palestinians are human beings, and they should have rights EXACTLY equal to anyone else living in palestine.
And say what you want about the PA...most Palestinians in the West Bank live under PA control and under PA administrative rule...NOT ISRAEL. Palestinians govern their own people....have their own bureaucracies. And Israel would not even be there if it was not for Jordan ATTACKING Israel in 1967. So this so called occupation is really the result of Arab aggregation and their endless desire to push Israel into the sea. Lets place the blame where it belongs!
Israel started the war in 1967, that's the problem with your argument. The PA rules the west bank? What are you smoking? The PA runs the checkpoints? The PA controls the borders? The PA bulldozes palestinian houses? Is that what you think?
N8glenn...thanks for admitting you were not telling the truth....or as you put it, you were "a bit inaccurate." Now admit that you were not telling the truth when you said Jews make up less than 50% of the population of Israel. I know, baby steps...but try that one on for size. :)
Who are you kidding? Being slightly mistaken is not the same as lying. I was under the impression they left while he was speaking, I was wrong, they left BEFORE he started speaking! You said you were there and nobody left at all, so who is the liar here? Now, let me explain the population to you. Israel includes the west bank and gaza, because israel rules the west bank and gaza, so the total population of israel is 48% jewish and 47% palestinian, believe it or not.
No, if you go back and read what I said, I said that people did leave after Carter spoke. But whatever, I know the concept of TRUTH is hard for you.And as for your population numbers, I am curious as to your source? And Israel left ALL Of Gaza and only controls the crossings now because Hamas is at WAR with Israel. So your premise is faulty to begin with, Gaza is not part of Israel. And most of the Palestinian population centers in Judea and Samaria are controlled by the PA.
Not at first, at first you claimed that you didn't see anyone leave, then you admitted that people had left before he spoke, but you try to imply that there was some other reason why they left, and I guess that is plausible, but it doesn't make me a liar. Israel controls the air, the borders, and the sea of gaza, under international law that is occupation, look it up. Second, hamas adhered to the ceasefire, israel did not, and finally what does the pa rule? There's no palestinian state!
Nyglenn: Well, many people would disagree with you assessment of International Law. There is no legal basis for maintaining that Gaza is occupied territory. The Fourth Geneva Convention refers to territory as occupied where the territory is of a state party to the convention and the occupier "exercises the functions of government" in the territory. Gaza is not territory of another state party to the convention and Israel does not exercise the functions of government in the territory.
Gaza is controlled by israel from the outside. They control every aspect of life for those poor people, by controlling exactly how much food and medicine and water and electricity they get. I don't think anybody would argue that israel does not control the gaza strip, in all the ways that actually matter.
Israel and Egypt control the boarders because Hamas has said they wish to kill all the JEWS! Read their Charter, it is online for all to read! Hamas says they want to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews, in their Charter! The majority of Palestinians elected these genocidal lunatics to govern them...now they are paying the price. This is not collective punishment, this is collective responsibility.The poor Palestinians need to wake up and stop trying to murder Jews and start trying to coexist
It makes no difference what is in the hamas charter, that is old news. Hamas has been calling for a peaceful settlement based on the two state solution for years now, but no one will listen. Hamas adhered to the ceasefire, and israel did not, this simple fact undermines everything you are saying about the goodness of israel and the evil of hamas. Israel started the war in gaza! You can't drop banned chemical munitions on densely populated civilian areas and say "it's not punishment".
Israel took unprecedented steps to avoid civilian loss of life, despite Hamas using its people as shields, hospitals, schools as terrorist bases.Israel aims at people with guns, Hamas aims at Jewish children. This is the reality. As for banned chemical munitions, lets wait and see if such weapons were used in an impermissible way.Overall, Israel did an amazing job at minimizing civilian loss of life, given the density of the area and the sinister tactics Hamas uses to maximize civilian deaths.
Hamas never used anyone as human shields, that would be israel. Don't you know that? Haven't you seen the news reports showing IDF soldiers herding palestinians in front of them at gunpoint? Israel killed 1400 people, most of them civilians, half of them women and children, by slamming civilian neighborhoods with dime explosives and phosphorous. That's minimizing civilian casualties to you? Are you saying that when they drop bombs they are trying to minimize casualties?
Judea and Samaria are controlled by the IDF, you know that. The PA controls nothing in reality. Gaza is a prison run by israel, if you want to live in the real world, that is. Of course I could give you population numbers but why should I? You refuse to back up anything you say, even after I repeatedly ask you. I think I will give you a bit of your own medicine. Then again, you could google this in about 5 seconds if you wanted to know the truth.
Israel is at war with Hamas...I don't think it would be so wise to open up the borders and let them bring in all the weapons they want so they could kill even more Jews. As much as you would like that to happen....have open boarders that is.
Israel doesn't need to open the border. All they have to do is to lift the crushing siege of gaza. Stop controlling the air and the sea, stop pressuring egypt to close the border, allow a free palestinian state to develop without interfering, and yes, they need to stop the settlement and land theft in the west bank as well and allow a palestinian state to develop there. The palestinians are always telling you "no justice, no peace". Why won't you listen to them?
NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE! I agree. As long as the Arabs seek to destroy Israel and not recognize the right of Jews to self-determination in their homeland there will be no peace.Coexistence is the only answer. When Arafat rejected a Palestinian State at camp David II he committed a terrible crime against his own people. TALK ABOUT NAIVE! You think Israel should allow Hamas to control the air space in Gaza!? LOL That is funny.
Arafat was offered nothing at camp david II, certainly nothing that his people would accept. They were just hoping he would roll over and make peace with them and get nothing in return, and in the end, it was israel that walked out of the talks, not Arafat. If you don't want the gazans to control the air over their own heads, then you are admitting that israel is really in control of gaza, and if that's the case, it's about time for every man and woman in gaza to have full israeli citizenship.
I don't want Hamas to control the air because they are a bunch of genocidal maniacs bent on committing mass murder if given the chance...hard for you to understand, I know. The Jews will not walk back into the ovens...sorry to inform you. And just wait till Hamas starts firing rockets into Tel Aviv...Gaza will look back on the first war as the good old days. If they want WAR, war they will get. And Bill Clinton, Prince Bandar, and Dennis Ross all say you are wrong about Camp David II.
Who said anything about ovens? Are you calling all arabs nazis now, simply because they trouble you by existing and wanting to be treated fairly? Hamas has been calling for a peaceful two state solution for years, did you not know that? Your paranoia about arabs wanting to kill you is leading you to support mass murder.
Spirits incarnate, living as humans in our midst; moving openly and freely, yet undetected by the masses, or even their hosts. Like the spasms of a decapitated body, the fact of the matter, thats precisely what it is; if you really think about it. Their illusions are many, which overtake the sleepwalking masses. Now know that they do take flesh and walk among men, to mold a new species. Die young and stay pretty. It's just a message for the stoke: SaintVeil
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Changeling9au 1 year ago
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saintveil 1 year ago
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oneaday101 1 year ago
@Changeling9au high partner how u going today?(000) do you like art?
TheLovesoul1 1 year ago
@Changeling9au dude not to make u guys made but did u guys hear gangs are trafficing american girls and somalian girls in other countrys why are people so sick and twisted?(000).
TheLovesoul1 1 year ago
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SheerGeniusZ 1 year ago
you are a disgusting typical american that supports israel. how ignorant of you mentioning the palestinian teenagers that fight for their country. you obviously know nothing about war and pride. never watching ur stupid videos again!111111111
virtualman111 2 years ago
"...typical american..."
LoL!
Is this guy *trying* to insult me?
:)
Changeling9au 2 years ago
Well said, Changling9au.
I can't believe that idiot actually called you a Yank! Lol.
I'd understand if he couldn't understand the difference between a Pom & an Aussie, but a YANK?!
LOL!
Maybe he didn't even bother to watch your vid.
Keep it up, the fight, mate.
Never let anyone shut you up.
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TheLovesoul1 1 year ago
Fearing people because of their religion, attacking religious minorities or hating people solely on the basis of a religion you don't understand is indeed irrational. I shouldn't have to be explaining that to you, hate and fear for religious minorities is irrational and immoral, as you clearly agree, since you dishonestly accuse me of being bigoted while simultaneously advocating bigotry yourself.
n8glenn 2 years ago
@n8glenn
You have blocked me! Pathetic loser!
You see, that is the difference between me and you: on my channel I never block people unless they are writing threats.
Maybe it's better because it was a lost of time to discuss with someone who isn't able to counter my arguments.
Goodbye!
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ballsauce666 2 years ago
Another American who spends more time bleating lies about Middle Easterners, than taking responsibility for the actions of a superpower which has killed millions and wrecked several countries.
When Israel starts deploying agent orange, indiscriminate use of napalm, and showering countries with tons of depleted uranium, then they might *begin* to have a point.
Changeling9au 2 years ago
"but for me palestine takes president."
I have to wonder why. For me Sudan, Zimbabwe, and Congo take precident.
adawillig 2 years ago
Ok, I'll tell you again, because my money is paying for the oppression of the palestinians, it's being done in my name, by my government. The palestinians are the largest refugee group in the world today, and here in america, almost no one knows the truth. It's perfectly acceptable to care about Sudan, Zimbabwe, and the Congo as well, I won't cast aspersions on you or pretend to wonder why you care about these people and not some other people of my choosing.
n8glenn 2 years ago
listening to your Southern accent.
Your grandparents were slaveholding hicks who whipped slaves and tortured blacks. You are most likely a closet KKK member who hides behind "moral superiority" which is complete bunk.
ScuzzylilAmeriWhore 2 years ago
Thank you! My ancestors were actually rather poor, and only a small percentage (maybe 10%) of all southerners were rich enough to have slaves. My grandparents certainly weren't old enough to own slaves, and in fact both of my grandfathers risked their lives to bring hitler's fascism to an end, one served in guadalcanal, the other stormed the beach at normandy and braved the battle of the bulge. I am not a racist, that's why I don't like israel. Thanks so much for asking :)
n8glenn 2 years ago
How f*king just of you. I say your grandparents were KKK members and slave owners.
My uncle fought against Nazism for the US in WWll. and my father fought the nazi fascist muslim brotherhood in Egypt
ScuzzylilAmeriWhore 2 years ago
So your theory is that my grandparents were adults before 1865? You do realize that would have meant that they died when they were about 200 years old, right :)
n8glenn 2 years ago
I am saying that your great (or great great)grandparents could have been overseers whipping slaves.
That's what poor whities did.
ScuzzylilAmeriWhore 2 years ago
I guess it's possible. What's your point?
n8glenn 2 years ago
Actually, total Ameican aid/loans to Israel don't pay for the 'occupation.' While the numbers look tremendous what Israel recieves from America on a yearly basis is an extremely fraction of what it spends on the military. Opercation Cast Lead alone may have cost more than the yearly aid to Israel. Israel's policies with regards to the Palestinians would be unaffected by the loss of American money. The loss of American support would, if anything, make Israel's policies harsher.
adawillig 2 years ago
Every bullet in the back of a palestinian child comes from the US, Israel could not carry on it's occupation without the military and economic largesse of the US. Even if what you say were true, I would still support withdrawing all support from israel and imposing an arms embargo until the IDF transforms itself from a death squad for helpless civilians into an actual military. And yes, when enough americans know the truth, US support will end, and we'll see what happens.
n8glenn 2 years ago
The interesting thing about the Palestinian refugees is that they are the only group of refugees from the 20th century that were not resettled and integrated into the countries they fled to which is one of the reasons that the UN definition of a refugee does not include children born after their parents became refugees. The Arab nations could have resettled them but they didn't want them and used them as a wedge issue against Israel. The UN also seems to want to keep their 'refugee' status.
adawillig 2 years ago
They are refugees, the largest group of refugees in the world, and they will remain refugees until they are allowed to return to the houses they own, as is demanded by international law. You want to lump the arab countries in the same category as israel, I got no problem with that, they haven't helped the refugees much, but israel CREATED the refugees.
n8glenn 2 years ago
No, the UNRWA created it and keeps them there in that situation. Letting Filistinians be intergrated as citizens of Lebanon, Jordan or Syria. This UN toilet agency would cease to have a meaning. Israel has integrated them into Israeli society, they are Knesset members who are Palestinians, there are high ranking soldiers int the IDF who are Arabs. My father was from Egypt. His family got thrown out of Egypt along with the rest of Egyptian Jewry after 1948 everything they had was confiscated.
SHitler777 2 years ago
And the situation of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank is nowhere near as bad as you make it sound. They are not starving like in Zimbabwe and are not ignored by the world like in the Congo. Their populaation is INCREASING, which would be the first time in recorded history that a population did so under ethnic cleansing and/or genocide as is happening right now in Sudan. Israel treats many of them in its hospitals, including Palestinians wounded in Operation Cats Lead.
adawillig 2 years ago
Yes, the congo, suddenly you care so much about it because it allows you to justify starving people, killing them, and stealing their things (not really, but you think it does). I can't wait to see your videos about the congo and how horrible it is. Yes, the palestinians are managing to survive so far, what a shame, right? Israel had better treat every single person it maimed during cast lead, that's not some favor you're doing them, it's just the tip of the iceberg of what you owe them.
n8glenn 2 years ago
OK. Why do you jump on the Congo, specifically, out of the examples I give. And why do you make up international law out of thin air? First there were those rules about occupation you came up with that contradict every international agreement about it since the Hague convention of 1907, now you talk about obligations that also don't exist in international law, at the most in nonbinding UN resolutions.
adawillig 2 years ago
Because you jump on the congo specifically as a rationalization for the crimes of israel. The world court ruled that the west bank, gaza and east jerusalem are "occupied palestinian territory". Israel used white phosphorous and experimental dime explosives intentionally on civilian populations, this was a war crime and a massacre, and you support it, and even go so far as to lie and say it's all legal.
n8glenn 2 years ago
That's what people really don't like about you. You put words in their mouths. I used the Congo, Zimbanwe, and Sudan as examples of humanitarian situations that are far worse than even your propoganda would lead anyone to believe is happening to the Palestinians. I did not use the Congo more than I used Sudan or Zimbabwe and I never said that I think that everything Israel has done is legal. You probably confused me with with someone else on that last point., if you are not lying yourself.
adawillig 2 years ago
And I'd be surprised to learn that there are more Palestinian refugees than refugees created in the Congo.
adawillig 2 years ago
Yes, I'm sure you would.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Those who preach hate against muslims or jews don't like me, people who attempt to justify the murder of women and children or the theft of their land and homes because they are the wrong race don't like me, that is true, and I am very thankful for that.
n8glenn 2 years ago
READ the comments you recive on your videos. Jew haters seem to consider you what Lenin called a "useful idiot." Justifying the murder of women and children is justifying the Deir Yassin massacre, and suicide bombings, and the recent ax murder, and the SNIPER SHOOTING OF A TEN MONTH OLD, and the point blank murder of an entire family with the stomache of the pregnant mother shot for good measure, and the launching of thousands of missles, and the stockpiling of weapons in schools and Mosques.
adawillig 2 years ago 4
NO, you read MY comments. I don't tolerate antisemites spewing their hate all over my channel, I set them straight whenever I can, if that's being an idiot then fine, I got no problem with that. I don't justify suicide bombing or killing of israeli civilians, I never have, many people who support israel do try to justify the killing of palestinians to me, while simultaneously condemning the killing of israelis. I am not that kind of hypocrite.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Occasionally you respond to "set them straight;" oddly in a more cordial manner than how you respond to anti-Arab racists. I found your exchange with freedomfighterone encouraging. But the thing about racists is that they don't need people to agree with them completely, just to justify their racism in their own minds. There are also numerous such posts that you don't respond to at all, even though you can't pass up responding to pro-zionists.
adawillig 2 years ago
"to challenge the jews is so dangerous they might kill you as they killed kennedy or some american journalists,so n8glenn is not a traitor but a brave man.you are a traitor yingyyangboy" This is a quote from allmenwomen that you let pass. I chose it because it lacked cursing. The Jews killing JFK is a rumor I've heard before on YouTube, and is one of the strangest I've ever heard. I have to agree with you that ScuzzylilAmeriWhore doesn't seem to have a point other than to insult you.
adawillig 2 years ago
Thank you for bringing that to my attention, I don't think I have seen that. What video was that on? I have heard this sort of thing before, I think it comes from that speech where he talks of a "vast evil conspiracy". Of course what people don't seem to remember was that this was said during the cold war and he was almost certainly talking about the soviet union. Not the "jews in the media". I would encourage you to let me know when you see these things on my channel.
n8glenn 2 years ago
It was on the video Obama's Boycott.
adawillig 2 years ago
Thank you.
n8glenn 2 years ago
You're welcome.
adawillig 2 years ago
I don't always see every comment posted on my channel, sometimes they get by me. Yes, I am (usually, not always) more cordial with anti-semites than with islamophobes, but I have in fact been cordial with islamophobes when I thought it was possible. I would rather talk some sense into a racist than antagonize them, sometimes I don't have that opportunity, or my anger gets the best of me and I tell them what I really think. I'm only human.
n8glenn 2 years ago
The so called Jews are Kazars from Kazaria, came to Mid East in 800s. They have ZERO claim to Palestine.
AOZXRAY 2 years ago
Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi. A 2005 study by Nebel et al, based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their host populations in Europe.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
According to Princeton University professor Bernard Lewis: "This theory is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics."
Zuckdawg 2 years ago 2
"The so called Jews are Kazars from Kazaria, came to Mid East in 800s."
ROFL! Who told you *that*?
For a start, it's Khazar and Khazaria, and even those who like to waffle on a similar line to you don't try to claim the Khazars came to the Middle East.
Do please educate yourself.
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Changeling9au 2 years ago
Israel is a CRIMINAL STATUS : the most brutal in the history of mankind
they take the reaction of the devastated victims then mega-highlighted by the Media "where they are in control & good at" to slaughter more innocents to cover and "justify" the ongoing GENOCIDE since 1948
fighting Israel by all means necessary is every Human duty
Aljazzerawatch1 2 years ago
"the most brutal in the history of mankind"
Did you learn that bollocks from Al Jazzera?
Al Jazzera - the Emir of Qatar's little mouthpiece.
You do realise that Qatar physically supported the US invasion of Iraq, don't you?
ps: Learn to think before opening yr big keyboard.
OK?
Changeling9au 2 years ago
This is what burns me about anti-israel activists in general. To so many of them Israel's "crimes" are worse than anything that happened or is happening in Germany, Russia, China, Sudan, Rwanda, Congo, Zimbabwe, South Africa, pick your Arab country, ect. Many of them either don't know about or deny these atrocities. There is a video on YouTube of a speech at an anti-Israel rally several years ago where the speaker claims that there is no genocide in Sudan. This is almost typical.
adawillig 2 years ago
This channel is No.13 after the 12 before had been banned from comment on Aljazeera channel videos & deleted ?!
Qatar also had strong business relations with the criminal status of Israel?!
We are on the same line in this
Khaled Sheikh Mohammed whom become the (9/11) "master mind" resides in Qatar in (9-11-2001) according to the official investigation papers? the same Aljazeera which "market" the Arabic part of (9/11) Media?
Do you have any thoughts in that ?
Aljazzerawatch1 2 years ago
Strikes me as odd how n8glenn is not concerned with the over 300,000 Palestinians expelled from Kuwait after the first Gulf War? Or the many accounts of widespread torture and murder of Palestinians living in Kuwait after the war. I have never heard him mention this...not once....not a word. I'm sure I must have missed it. lol Curious.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago 2
Was it that many?
I certainly know that that little Fiefdom exploited Palestinian Arab labourers, along with other impoverished "guest workers".
Western anti-Zionists are no threat to Israel, and no help to the Arabs. One of their Geopolitical roles is to be a fake opposition to Globalist policy in the Middle East, while actually rallying to support it.
This is why I referred to "Imperialistic arrogance" in the title of this vid.
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Changeling9au 2 years ago
"Government officials, supported by most Kuwaitis, have decided they will never again become a minority in their own country. As a result, nearly 400,000 Palestinians have been expelled. More than half a million other foreigners have also left and are not expected to return."
YOUSSEF M. IBRAHIM,
Wednesday, May 6, 1992
The New York Times
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
"Saudi Arabia evicted as many as 800,000 Yemeni workers in 1990 to punish Yemen for supporting Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. And Kuwait did the same thing to nearly half a million Palestinian workers after the Persian Gulf war to punish Mr. Arafat and the P.L.O. for taking the wrong side."
DOUGLAS JEHL
Saturday, September 30, 1995
The New York Times
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
They understood that they needed to concentrate on Israel, because hey everyone hates Jews. I mean their former Nazi leader Haj Amin Al-Husseini got away with convincing Heinrich Himmler to gas 5,000 Jewish Children. They knew that if Israel responded to them attacking Israeli civilians Israel would be called an oppressor.
knickszfan3 2 years ago
"....gas 5,000 Jewish Children."
He was *far* worse than that. He was co-architect of the "final solution" along with Adolph Eichmann.
If the testimony of Dieter Wisliceny is to be believed, he was the dominant partner.
Husseini's role in this important history has been whitewashed. In 1948, the >100,000 workers who descended on New York to protest the US/British arms embargo on the Israeli Jews, knew exactly who Husseini was.
Changeling9au 2 years ago
Thankfully the Palestinians eventually realized there's no point in claiming all of former Trans-Jordan is their land. They realized hey we're never going to get anything if we fight everyone who we believe stole our land, they understood that if they fought a muslim nation like Jordan for ''their'' land, Jordan would be able to kill all of them in a day and get away with it (Muslim nation remember).
They understood that they
knickszfan3 2 years ago
Its not like any other nation had ever ''oppressed'' Palestinians after Palestinians had attacked it. Well maybe Jordan in the 70s (Black September) when Arafat and the gang tried to take Jordan over, because they felt Jordan was also ''Palestinian'' land, but w/e Jordan only killed like 20,000 Palestinians in one month and forced Arafat and the gang to flee to Lebanon, where they would later help start the Lebanese Civil war.
knickszfan3 2 years ago
It's important to remember that the PLO (Fatah), explicitly denied any claim to Jordanian land - including the West Bank until 1968 when they slightly modified their charter.
The PLO, and the Western anti-Zionist movement, couldn't really give a toss about the Human Beings generally referred to as "Palestinians" - they just use them as political props and as a psychological outlet for pity and - sometimes unconscious - antisemitism.
Changeling9au 2 years ago
Its seems weird to me, I mean its not as if Palestinians do anything bad to Israelis, common a few thousand rockets launched into Israel w/e, a couple hundred suicide bombings, who cares?
knickszfan3 2 years ago
Palestinians are being ''oppressed'', because they choose to attack Israeli civilians, including Arab Israelis (Many of whom are Muslims). Its strange Arab Israelis (the majority of whom are Muslim, so they are Arab-Race nd Muslim-Religion) aren't being oppressed yet Palestinians are.
knickszfan3 2 years ago
It's a tragic irony that before Israel (under massive US pressure) allowed the Fatah Nazi "liberators" in to lord over the Gaza and WB Arabs, there was relatively little terrorism and nothing like the kind of Israeli military responses we've seen in recent times.
According to Yehuda HaKohen of the Zionist Freedom Alliance, if Israel allowed the Palis to choose between Fatah, Hamas and autonomy under Israeli rule, they would almost certainly choose the latter.
Changeling9au 2 years ago
Clichés. But if what you're saying's true, you have nothing to worry about.
Do you?
Changeling9au 2 years ago
Nate, I think you need to educate yourself. And by that I mean read some books by historians who don't hate Israel. Historians who don't think that Zionism is the original sin. You might learn that all you have read is not the whole story. This conflict is complex, and reading only a handful of New Historians does not give you an accurate picture. But I suspect you are not interested in historical truth....just trying to reinforce your ideologically driven narrative.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago 2
Ok then, suspect away. I do not read history to be deceived or to reinforce my opinions, which incidentally started out very pro israel. I read history to learn the truth, and even if I am wrong about the 1948 war, I know that what is happening to palestinians today is wrong and cannot possibly be justified.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Actually, right after partition was voted on the situation in Palestine became a free for all, although the Jews in the early weeks fought mostly defensively, adopting "wait and see" and "no retreat" policies.
adawillig 2 years ago
The zionist militias took the offensive in driving out palestinian villages late in 1947, of course there was violence on the part of the palestinians in some areas, but mostly they were just driven out by force, they had little ability to defend themselves, because they were completely crushed and mostly disarmed after the "arab revolt" of 1936. The zionists won the war and could have accepted 56% of the land, they decided to take what they could instead of implementing the partition.
n8glenn 2 years ago
n8glenn SAID: "If Al Qaeda was the elected government of a nation that we were at war with, then yes, I would think that we should make peace with them."
I think this comment of YOURS, you made on your channel over a month ago sums up perfectly your total lack of judgment and utter moral bankruptcy. Makes me think your endless bloviating is not just out of animus for Israel, but out of a fundamental lack of moral and historical understanding of evil in this world.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Can you actually give an argument of a better course of action in dealing with the elected government of a nation we are at war with? All nations at war with other nations end up talking and negotiating sooner or later, so do you have a new course of action that nobody ever thought of before?
n8glenn 2 years ago
n8glenn SAID: "99% of all germans voted for hitler."
LOL...another one of your interesting little tidbits of history Nate...what is your source for that? haha. And who said that they hold German citizens today accountable for what the Nazis did to the Jews? Hmmm...nobody. And I must agree, you do display a complete ignorance of history...I think adawillig was quite astute in his observation.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
You can quibble with me over numbers, I don't care, I'm not a historian and I don't look up every number I give you, the point of my argument is what is important. You can't dispute my point so you quibble over my numbers and cackle like a little child when you can spot some minor inaccuracy in my statement. Of course you didn't say that you hold the germans responsible, that was my whole point, you shouldn't mention the mufti in this conversation about the rights of arabs, it's irrelevant.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Do I have to remind you that you don't know the first thing about israel, which you supposedly have a degree in? You didn't even know who started the war of independence, or who started the 1967 war, for crying out loud. Go back in your glass house and stop throwing stones.
n8glenn 2 years ago
LOL....Nate I think you live in some fantasy land. Israel accepted partition and it was the Arabs who refused to accept any compromise. And on January 9, 1948 over a 1,000 Arabs attacked Jewish communities in northern Palestine which was the first stage of the War of Independence. Then in May five Arab armies (Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq) invaded Israel.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
The ethnic cleansing of palestine began 5 months before the first arab armies intervened, in late 1947, as I told you before. But fine, israel accepted the partition? That means that israel exists on 56 percent of the british mandate of palestine, along side a free and independent palestinian state, with internationally controlled borders and an internationally controlled city of jerusalem. Right? Is that your argument? If this isn't the case, then israel did not accept the partition.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Nations at war for the most part hold "final negotiations" only after one side has definitively defeated the other. Even that is wishful thinking. The reality of the last several centuries is that negotiations preceded war and after the wars ended the victors humiliated the losers instead of negotiating with them. The Cold War was an exception in that neither side would commit to war due to the prospect of mutualy assured destruction. In most cases the elected governments were disbanded.
adawillig 2 years ago
There is no palestinian state, and the palestinian people are already about as humiliated and defeated as they are ever likely to get, so what more do you want from them? Why not negotiate with them and make peace instead of insisting that they promise you never to resist your aggression in the future?
n8glenn 2 years ago
n8glenn: You can BLOCK me from your channel, but you can't block most people from discovering the truth. And that is that, although Israel is not perfect, it is morally elevated from most of the other countries in the Middle East and certainly from the pathological Palestinian society that glorifies some of the the most disgusting barbarism the world has ever known. Israel is a vibrant multicultural democracy....as much as you hate that. :) NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE!
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
I'm glad I blocked you and your incessant racist rants. Palestinian society is "pathological"? You are a pathological racist and you have no idea what you're talking about, especially where israel is concerned. The palestinian people deserve the same rights as you, and they will have them one day, whether you like it or not, and isreal will be TRULY multicultural, not a "jewish state" as you wish it to be. I'm glad I had the chance to destroy you in this debate.
n8glenn 2 years ago
And the saddest part of all this is that at Camp David II Israel offered Arafat a Palestinian State in all of Gaza, 98% of the West Bank and half of Jerusalem....Arafat said NO and started another intifada. All the revisionist history in the world can't change this, NATE! But to you Bill Clinton, Prince Bandar, Abu Mazen, Dennis Ross are all not telling the truth. LOL It really is hard to take you serious. You and people like you do not help Palestinians, you actually do them a disservice.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Is that so, then tell me, who walked out of camp david ii? Was it arafat? Arafat demanded the minimum that his people could possibly accept. Israel has never, and will never offer the palestinians anything except less of their land in exchange for peace (which they won't give anyway), simply because israel is powerful and the stateless palestinian refugees are not.
n8glenn 2 years ago
And Arafat walked out of Camp David without even offering a counter proposal.The rules of Camp David were that all offers are only on the table while at Camp David, so as to avoid a situation where the parties would try to use these historically significant offers as a way to get even further concessions down the road. At Taba in January 2001 the Palestinians even withdrew some of the concessions they had already agreed to. Then the Palestinians turned to violence again to try and get even more.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Wrong, Arafat did not walk out, israel walked out. If you don't even know that much you shouldn't even speak about this subject.
n8glenn 2 years ago
N8gglenn, haha, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what you claim to know about, that I am almost embarrassed for you. I encourage anyone who has doubts to read Dennis Ross or Bill Clinton or Prince Bandar, or Abu Mazen's remarks on the topic.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Ok, sure, you keep reading prince bandar and bill clinton and I'll keep reading the historians and scholars. You keep spouting racist nonsense and I'll keep talking about human rights and equality. You keep displaying your ignorance of history and I'll keep explaining basic facts to you like who started the war in 1967, and you can be embarrassed for me all you want, you ignorant racist.
n8glenn 2 years ago
You can call me names, but that is the language of simple minded people who are incapable of resorting to logic and reason. Israeli Arabs have more human rights and political rights living in Israel than do Arabs living in any other country in the Middle East. Historians and scholars fine, but not JUST New Historians. You need to discover the other side. You need to seek truth, not just look for "facts" that support your opinions on the subject. Conflict is not black and white.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Yes, I have given you plenty of logical rebuttals to your assertions, and I have also accurately described you, because you refuse to consider that what israel is doing to arabs is wrong, and because you think arabs are untrustworthy and that they want their children to die and for many other reasons, you are a racist. Perhaps israeli arabs have more rights than arabs living under the US supported dictatorships, but that is no excuse for oppressing them or for killing them.
n8glenn 2 years ago
One day the Arabs will love their children more than they hate Israel and decide to coexist. Untill then Israel has no choice but to defend herself. This conflict is not about the so called "occupation"...it is about the Arabs accepting Israel's right to exist in peace. There could have been a Palestinian state in 1948 and several times since, but the Arabs have constantly refused to coexist....that is the problem. Both sides have valid claims to the land...coexistence is the only answer.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Such a typical racist thing to say, this is all because "arabs don't love their children". What utter nonsense. You have lied to yourself for so long that you no longer make any sense. It's not an occupation, but the west bank isn't israel either! The arabs have no right to citizenship, but they have no right to self determination either! The arabs even started the zionist war of independence! Coexistence is the only answer, but you don't want that, you want power and ethnic privilege.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Anyone who would vote for a terrorist group like Hamas which sends the young people of Palestine to go blow themselves up on buses in Israel...hates Israel more than they love their children. Parents who love their children don't send them to murder other children and kill themselves.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Palestinians DON'T send their children to kill themselves, you deluded madman. Why would anyone do such a thing? Just how racist are you that you could even conceive of such a thing? Suicide bombers are almost always a response to military occupation, and suicide bombers almost always decide themselves to commit suicde because they have witnessed the death of a loved one at the hands of the occupier and they want to end their misery and get revenge. They aren't sent by their parents.
n8glenn 2 years ago
You are wrong. Your words display a real lack of knowledge about how the concept of martyrdom is elevated in Palestinian society to be a supreme virtue. Hamas sends the children of Palestine to go kill themselves and as many Israelis as they can take with them. This is a simple fact. Palestinian children are brainwashed with cartoons and the like, to think that being a shaheed (suicide bomber) is the highest honor and fastest way to reach paradise in the afterlife.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Bullshit. I would ask you to prove this but I know you won't do it, because you can't. You have never been able to back up anything you've said and I have despaired of trying to get you to, because you simply ignore me and go on making baseless assertions, so you keep on spouting these anti-arab racist myths if you want.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Israel told Jordan, don't enter the war...Jordan then decided to shell Israel and they LOST the west bank which they were ILLEGALLY occupying. Most of the people killed in Gaza were not civilians...that is total propaganda on your part. What is orwellian is that you defend Palestinian nationalism, which has employed some of the the worst terrorism the world has seen. Makes the Irgun and Sterngang look like pussycats.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
You mean the terrorist irgun and stern gang? Well, I don't really support a two state solution, or "palestinian nationalism". I support a one state solution, a secular democracy with equal rights for all citizens. But again, israel started the 1967 war, that is a fact, I'm not defending jordan, I'm just telling you the facts, and if you want to talk about illegal, try the 40 year occupation of the west bank by israel, that is certainly illegal.
n8glenn 2 years ago
It is absolutely not illegal----Judea and Samaria and Gaza were won in a defensive war and are disputed territory. Under International Law Egypt's closure of the Strait of Tiran was an an ACT OF WAR. In 1965 35 terrorist raids were conducted against Israel from Egypt. In 1966 the number increased to 41. In just the first four months of 1967 37 attacks were launched. So it is hard to say that Israel did not have reason to respond.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
You don't get it do you? Either the west bank is israel or it's not. If it is israel then every palestinian there deserves equal citizenship and a vote, if it is not, as israel maintains, then it is an illegal military occupation of palestinian land. Which do you want to argue? You lose either way.
n8glenn 2 years ago
No, it is not Palestinian land. It is disputed land. It is the heartland of Jewish history. You really have no clue about Jewish history. And I'm not talking about the bible....as I'm a 100% secular Zionist. Both sides have valid claims to the land. It is not an illegal military occupation, as Israel was attacked by Jordan...who did not have any right to be there. And then after the war, the Arabs refused to negotiate a peace deal in their three famous NOs and in their refusal to accept 242.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
What the heck does jewish history have to do with the ownership of the west bank? But it makes no difference to me, if you want the west bank, then take it, and give every palestinian there israeli citizenship with full equality. The arabs had no reason to accept 242 and give up half of their country, and israel never accepted 242 either, because they never implemented it.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Israel has always accepted 242 and it is impossible to implement it without the other side meetings its obligations under 242. Israeli Arabs have full equality under Israeli law. I don't think it would be wise to give Palestinians living in the West Bank who want to destroy Israel, the right of citizenship. They should have their own State....but only if they are mature enough to stop trying to kill Jews and destroy Israel. If not, then they can rot lin refugee camps forever.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
How patronizing of you, only if they are mature enough? Get over yourself. You have no right to prevent them from having their own state or being israeli citizens, you have no right to rule over them and give them no vote and no human rights. Israel never implemented 242, and it had ALL THE POWER TO DO SO! It did not need permission from the poor refugees that it evicted from their homes. You have no right to treat arabs as if they are less than yourself, period.
n8glenn 2 years ago
And if the MAJORITY of the Palestinian electorate continue to democratically elect leaders that seek to commit genocide and destroy Israel...then yes, they will ROT forever....consumed with hate and war. There are consequences for a populace that supports mass murder. If you make your bed, you need to sleep in it. And I don't mind Palestinians using violence, that is their right, I just think it is reprehensible that they target children and civilians as opposed to combatants.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Wrong again, hamas wants a peaceful two state solution, not genocide, and you on the other hand, want to punish the entire palestinian population, including women and children, for not voting the way you think they should. Targeting women and children (as the IDF does regularly) is reprehensible, and punishing women and children for disagreeing with you politically is also reprehensible, and your insistence that all palestinians become Ghandi or rot in camps forever is reprehensible.
n8glenn 2 years ago
N8glenn, can you read? You say that I want all Palestinians to become Ghandi?? I just said it is their right to use violence, just not to target civilians, as that is a WAR CRIME! And as if you have not totally discredited yourself already, when you say that Hamas wants a peaceful two state solution, well that is just laughable, so far removed from reality. What color is the sky in your world? As I said in the past, a hunda or ceasefire, is not a permanent peace....just time for them to rearm.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
You said that all palestinians must renounce violence and stop trying to kill jews or fight israel or they will rot in camps forever, then you changed your mind and stated that violence was ok as long as it isn't against civilians, but you seem to have no problem with the violence in gaza directed at civilians because they voted for hamas, which you rationalize by saying that it's not "collective punishment" but "collective responsibility". Yeah, sure.
n8glenn 2 years ago
You want to know if I can read? Apparently so, I know more about the history of israel than you do, and you've got a "degree in middle eastern studies", which I think you should get a full refund for. Of course you think that if you make peace with arabs that they're just secretly getting ready to kill you, because of your anti-arab racism. What would they have to do to satisfy you, start negotiations by promising never to fight you ever again, no matter how many of them you kill?
n8glenn 2 years ago
N8glenn, I actually wasted my time and watched some of your early videos when I first discovered your channel, so I know your knowledge of the conflict is rather superficial, as you admit.You only know the Palestinian narrative as revisited by the New Historians. Hamas wants a tactical hunda until they can acquire more weapons to destroy Israel. They have NEVER said they would accept a permanent peace deal based acceptance of living in peace next to the Jewish State of Israel.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
You can't expect your enemies to promise never to fight you again before you even negotiate with them! Has israel ever promised never to fight palestinians again no matter what? My knowledge of israel is certainly not perfect, but it is much better than yours. You seem to know only myths and nonsense which reinforce your racist view of arabs and your claims to special privilege and power based on the fact that you are jewish.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Of course hamas has stated they wanted to see a two state solution, but they never promised that they would never, ever fight israel again, no matter what, and really that would be a ridiculous statement for any country or political movement to make. Israel would never make that promise to the palestinians, or anybody else, and you would not expect them to. You only expect your "slaves" the arabs to promise eternal obedience to your worshipfulness.
n8glenn 2 years ago
You sound rather foolish...creating all these silly straw arguments. I don't want Hamas to make any promises other than to accept the right of the Jewish State of Israel to exist and live in secure boarders next to the Palestinian State. That is it....but they will NEVER agree to such terms....they only agree to a hunda....to fight anther day when they are stronger.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
I agree, I do sound foolish when I quote you. No one accepts the "RIGHT" of another state to exist, no one! Countries do recognize that other countries exist, and they talk to them, but they never talk about a right to exist, this is the real straw man argument, that israel has employed to pretend that palestinians don't recognize israel, which they do, and to distract us from the fact that israel does not recognize the existence of the palestinian people, let alone a palestinian state.
n8glenn 2 years ago
"If not, then they can rot lin refugee camps forever" -- You inhuman monster. Israel is the reason they are in the refugee camps in the first place, and you think you have the right to say that if ANY palestinian wishes to fight back in a violent manner because of their oppression that the entire palestinian people can just rot in a camp forever? How would you like it if someone held you to that standard? And condemned you based on your race because there is some jew somewhere who is violent?
n8glenn 2 years ago
First, sorry to remind you, but there would not be ONE Palestinian refugee had the Arabs not attacked Israel in May 1948 and STARTED the war. So the refugee problem that was created as a result of the war that Israel did not start, is not the fault of Israel. Second, the Arabs have decided to keep the Palestinians in the refugee camps for all these years so as to use them as a political tool.....if the oil RICH Arab countries wished to, they could close the refugee camps tomorrow.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Wrong. The zionist militias started the war in late 1947 by ethnically cleansing palestinians. This continued for 5 months before any arab states intervened, and almost all of the battles occurred on land designated by the UN for the palestinian state. This is a fact that all israeli historians agree on and you should know. The palestinian refugees did not come from "oil rich arab countries", they came from israel. If you kick someone out of their home it is your fault they are in a camp.
n8glenn 2 years ago
HA! What rubbish. You said "all Israeli historians agree"....all Israeli historians agree on NOTHING and certainly not your revisionist history that the Zionist militias started the war. I could name many Israeli historians who would laugh at your assertion that the Zionists started the war. Prior to May 1948 many Palestinians decided to leave for Egypt...to stay safe. The refugee problem was created because of the Arab invasion of Israel....according to Benny Morris.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Not true. Benny Morris admits that the zionist militias ethnically cleansed the palestinians, and defends it! Read any other israeli historian, Ilan Pappe, Avi Shlaim, Shlomo Ben Ami (the former foreign minister of israel), and they will tell you the same thing, the ethnic cleansing of palestine began 5 months before the first arab response, and the operation was called "Plan Dalet" or plan D. 750,000 people fled their homes because of plan D, and have never been allowed to return.
n8glenn 2 years ago
I think you have read too much Pappe (the Israeli Ward Churchill). Plan D was mostly defensive in nature. And only a response to Arab/Palestinian violence and threats of war. The Arabs kept attacking Jewish convoys from villages adjacent to roads. Plan D's aim was to clear land of hostile inhabitants...out of the interior of the territory of the prospective Jewish State. Benny Morris says that some Palestinians were cleansed or expelled as a result of the war that the ARABS started.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Simple chronology proves your statement is false. Plan Dalet began 5 months before the first arab response. Simple geography proves your statement is wrong, most of the battles occurred on land designated for the palestinian state. Simple logic proves your statement is wrong, if it was simply a defensive action, there would have been no reason to prevent the refugees from returning to their homes after the fighting was over.
n8glenn 2 years ago
N8glenn....actually not so simple. When I referred to the Arabs I was referring to the Palestinian Arabs....as their was no independent Palestinian Arab identity in 1948...they were just the Arabs of Palestine. PLO members have admitted that the concept of a separate Palestinian identity was a tool used in the fight against Israel. And don't think it would have been smart for Israel to let a hostile population back into the belly of the country... when they refused to live in peace.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Hostile population? Israeli arabs are not a hostile population, they are second class citizens, but they are still willing to live in peace, even with less rights than jews have. If you gave them equal rights you would have nothing to fear from them, but you don't want that, you would rather have a "jewish democracy" than a true democracy.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Jewish history has to do with the right of the Jewish people to be there in the first place. Jews have lived their almost continuously for over 3000 years. That is why you and your ilk, sound silly calling Israelis imperialists or colonialists. Jews make up part of the indigenous people of the area. Before Mohammad was even born, Jews were already in exile. So Jewish history is very important.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Jews lived in the area 2000 years ago, so that gives you the right to drive people out of their homes and off of their lands because they are the wrong race? I don't think so, buddy. Ancient history is no excuse for war crimes and racism! I call you imperialists because you further the cause of imperial powers, and I call you colonialists because you colonize other people's land! And I call you a racist because you think your ethnicity gives you the right to take what does not belong to you.
n8glenn 2 years ago
The *partial* blockade of israel by egypt was an act of war, and guess what? The total, crushing blockade of gaza by israel is an act of war, by YOUR argument.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Hmmm....the suicide bombings that preceded the Israeli blockade of Gaza I think constitute an act of war! :) And I think the thousands of rockets Hamas has fired into Israeli towns constitute an act of war. And Palestinians broke the ceasefire before November 4th 2008, despite what you and Rick Sanchez say. My point in bring up the Mufti is that Palestinian nationalism was in part born out of Nazism. Both movements were allied with each other and help explain the mess today.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
No, the suicide bombings were much earlier. The reason for the blockade is that the palestinians voted in a free election for the people israel did not like. The suicide bombings, although contemptible, were resistance against military occupation, as is usually the case with suicide bombings :) Hamas did not break the ceasefire, there were individuals who fired rockets, but there were no injuries from these rockets, and hamas arrested and prosecuted them.
n8glenn 2 years ago
The reason you mention the mufti is because you want to make excuses for the extreme oppression and murder of palestinians based on their ethnicity by demonizing all arabs and accusing them of being nazis, which as you said yourself, is sick. Palestinian nationalism was a response to colonization by the british and the zionists, and had nothing to do with naziism. Some palestinians may have collaborated with nazis on certain things, as some zionists did, but it doesn't make them nazis.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Both Carter and Dershowitz answered difficult accusatory questions....Carter's questions were pre-screened and Dershowtiz's were taken at random. More people attended the Carter speech, as he is a former President of the United States. But I did not see ANYONE leave after Dershowtiz started speaking. Just the opposite, it was quite heated and there was great interest in what he had to say. Nate, I JUST CAUGHT YOU IN ANOTHER LIE! NICE TRY! :)
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Prove it.
n8glenn 2 years ago
N8glenn.....your nose is getting bigger. Come on, stop making up stories. I don't even believe that you tried to include a link. Seems like everything you say is a lie. I spent 3.5 years at Brandeis...I think I know a little bit more about the school than you do. Go to their website and read for yourself.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Prove it. I don't believe you for one second. I went to a website called the jewish daily forward and read article 9916, entitled "Carter Wins Over Student Crowd at Brandeis, Receives Ovation". They did not go into much detail, but they confirmed that half of the audience walked out before dershowitz began speaking. I should think you would know that if you had been there.
n8glenn 2 years ago
By the way, let me explain something to you that you will never understand, palestinians exist, they are real people, and they are human beings exactly equal to you in every way. Their rights are just as important as yours. Their lives are just as important as yours. They deserve the same respect and consideration you do. I know you will never accept that, but I'll tell you anyway. Now call me a liar if you want, and I will say the same about you, but I can back up my claims, and you can't.
n8glenn 2 years ago
n8glenn, you can't back up your claims...and that is why you BLOCKED me. You don't have to believe me, but I spent years at Brandeis and was there when Dersh and Carter spoke. Dersh did not start speaking for about 30 mins after Carter left. Some of the crowd did leave after Carter spoke...but you said "When he spoke at brandice, (a jewish university), half of the audience got up and walked out as soon as he opened his mouth" I WAS THERE...I AM CALLING YOU OUT ON YOUR LIE!
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
I already backed up my claim, I guess i was a bit inaccurate, but the fact is, half of the audience had no interest in hearing dershowitz, and they left. If you'd rather split hairs and call that lying, then go ahead, but you aren't fooling anyone. I backed up what I said, and you have never done so, never. You refuse to prove anything you say. Who do you think you're fooling? I blocked you because you are a racist and an apologist for war crimes and I got tired of hearing it.
n8glenn 2 years ago
There you go again, resorting to name calling. You can't win an argument with me on the merits because you know your revisionist history and slanders won't hold up. So when all else fails, you call me a racist. My favorite of your ridiculous claims is how you, like the Nazis, insist that Jews are a RACE. Funny, I did not know you could convert to a RACE. There will never be peace with people like you who refuse to see the humanity on BOTH sides.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Ha! Ok, let's go. What do you want to debate? I know you won't back up anything you say, but I'll debate you anyway. I didn't say that jews are a race, although some jews have made that claim to me, I don't believe it. I think jews have only religion in common and not ethnicity. But you are in fact a racist, because you don't believe that palestinians should have human rights equal to yours.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Ha! YOU DID REFER TO JEWS AS A RACE MANY TIMES ON YOUR CHANNEL! LOL When I confronted you on it, you said you did not want to have that discussion. lol Make sure you go back and delete all those posts where YOU call Jews a Race! ASAP. lol. And your assertion about me not thinking Palestinians have human rights equal to mine is silly and baseless.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Of course I did! So what? I used to think that was true, and many people still tell me it is true today, some of them jewish! I just changed my opinion after I learned more about the subject, that's no crime. But what has any of this to do with your prejudice against arabs? Are you trying to tell me that because judaism is not a race that you can't possibly be a racist, no matter how much you hate palestinians? That is a stretch, even for you.
n8glenn 2 years ago
You are entitled to change your mind. Just be honest about it. I love Palestinians who seek peace and wish to coexist. I hate Palestinians who want to kill me because I am a Jew. That does not make me a racist. And most Palestinians in the West Bank live under the authority of the PA...NOT ISRAEL!
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
I am honest about it, why wouldn't I be? The PA has no real authority, don't be naive. The real authority is with the IDF, which controls everything in the west bank, except what they *allow* the PA to claim control of. I'm sorry, but if you can look at the situation in israel and the occupied territories and not see a problem with how arabs are treated, then you are a racist. Palestinians are human beings, and they should have rights EXACTLY equal to anyone else living in palestine.
n8glenn 2 years ago
And say what you want about the PA...most Palestinians in the West Bank live under PA control and under PA administrative rule...NOT ISRAEL. Palestinians govern their own people....have their own bureaucracies. And Israel would not even be there if it was not for Jordan ATTACKING Israel in 1967. So this so called occupation is really the result of Arab aggregation and their endless desire to push Israel into the sea. Lets place the blame where it belongs!
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Israel started the war in 1967, that's the problem with your argument. The PA rules the west bank? What are you smoking? The PA runs the checkpoints? The PA controls the borders? The PA bulldozes palestinian houses? Is that what you think?
n8glenn 2 years ago
N8glenn...thanks for admitting you were not telling the truth....or as you put it, you were "a bit inaccurate." Now admit that you were not telling the truth when you said Jews make up less than 50% of the population of Israel. I know, baby steps...but try that one on for size. :)
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Who are you kidding? Being slightly mistaken is not the same as lying. I was under the impression they left while he was speaking, I was wrong, they left BEFORE he started speaking! You said you were there and nobody left at all, so who is the liar here? Now, let me explain the population to you. Israel includes the west bank and gaza, because israel rules the west bank and gaza, so the total population of israel is 48% jewish and 47% palestinian, believe it or not.
n8glenn 2 years ago
No, if you go back and read what I said, I said that people did leave after Carter spoke. But whatever, I know the concept of TRUTH is hard for you.And as for your population numbers, I am curious as to your source? And Israel left ALL Of Gaza and only controls the crossings now because Hamas is at WAR with Israel. So your premise is faulty to begin with, Gaza is not part of Israel. And most of the Palestinian population centers in Judea and Samaria are controlled by the PA.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Not at first, at first you claimed that you didn't see anyone leave, then you admitted that people had left before he spoke, but you try to imply that there was some other reason why they left, and I guess that is plausible, but it doesn't make me a liar. Israel controls the air, the borders, and the sea of gaza, under international law that is occupation, look it up. Second, hamas adhered to the ceasefire, israel did not, and finally what does the pa rule? There's no palestinian state!
n8glenn 2 years ago
Nyglenn: Well, many people would disagree with you assessment of International Law. There is no legal basis for maintaining that Gaza is occupied territory. The Fourth Geneva Convention refers to territory as occupied where the territory is of a state party to the convention and the occupier "exercises the functions of government" in the territory. Gaza is not territory of another state party to the convention and Israel does not exercise the functions of government in the territory.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Gaza is controlled by israel from the outside. They control every aspect of life for those poor people, by controlling exactly how much food and medicine and water and electricity they get. I don't think anybody would argue that israel does not control the gaza strip, in all the ways that actually matter.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Israel and Egypt control the boarders because Hamas has said they wish to kill all the JEWS! Read their Charter, it is online for all to read! Hamas says they want to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews, in their Charter! The majority of Palestinians elected these genocidal lunatics to govern them...now they are paying the price. This is not collective punishment, this is collective responsibility.The poor Palestinians need to wake up and stop trying to murder Jews and start trying to coexist
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
It makes no difference what is in the hamas charter, that is old news. Hamas has been calling for a peaceful settlement based on the two state solution for years now, but no one will listen. Hamas adhered to the ceasefire, and israel did not, this simple fact undermines everything you are saying about the goodness of israel and the evil of hamas. Israel started the war in gaza! You can't drop banned chemical munitions on densely populated civilian areas and say "it's not punishment".
n8glenn 2 years ago
Israel took unprecedented steps to avoid civilian loss of life, despite Hamas using its people as shields, hospitals, schools as terrorist bases.Israel aims at people with guns, Hamas aims at Jewish children. This is the reality. As for banned chemical munitions, lets wait and see if such weapons were used in an impermissible way.Overall, Israel did an amazing job at minimizing civilian loss of life, given the density of the area and the sinister tactics Hamas uses to maximize civilian deaths.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Hamas never used anyone as human shields, that would be israel. Don't you know that? Haven't you seen the news reports showing IDF soldiers herding palestinians in front of them at gunpoint? Israel killed 1400 people, most of them civilians, half of them women and children, by slamming civilian neighborhoods with dime explosives and phosphorous. That's minimizing civilian casualties to you? Are you saying that when they drop bombs they are trying to minimize casualties?
n8glenn 2 years ago
Judea and Samaria are controlled by the IDF, you know that. The PA controls nothing in reality. Gaza is a prison run by israel, if you want to live in the real world, that is. Of course I could give you population numbers but why should I? You refuse to back up anything you say, even after I repeatedly ask you. I think I will give you a bit of your own medicine. Then again, you could google this in about 5 seconds if you wanted to know the truth.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Israel is at war with Hamas...I don't think it would be so wise to open up the borders and let them bring in all the weapons they want so they could kill even more Jews. As much as you would like that to happen....have open boarders that is.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Israel doesn't need to open the border. All they have to do is to lift the crushing siege of gaza. Stop controlling the air and the sea, stop pressuring egypt to close the border, allow a free palestinian state to develop without interfering, and yes, they need to stop the settlement and land theft in the west bank as well and allow a palestinian state to develop there. The palestinians are always telling you "no justice, no peace". Why won't you listen to them?
n8glenn 2 years ago
NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE! I agree. As long as the Arabs seek to destroy Israel and not recognize the right of Jews to self-determination in their homeland there will be no peace.Coexistence is the only answer. When Arafat rejected a Palestinian State at camp David II he committed a terrible crime against his own people. TALK ABOUT NAIVE! You think Israel should allow Hamas to control the air space in Gaza!? LOL That is funny.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Arafat was offered nothing at camp david II, certainly nothing that his people would accept. They were just hoping he would roll over and make peace with them and get nothing in return, and in the end, it was israel that walked out of the talks, not Arafat. If you don't want the gazans to control the air over their own heads, then you are admitting that israel is really in control of gaza, and if that's the case, it's about time for every man and woman in gaza to have full israeli citizenship.
n8glenn 2 years ago
I don't want Hamas to control the air because they are a bunch of genocidal maniacs bent on committing mass murder if given the chance...hard for you to understand, I know. The Jews will not walk back into the ovens...sorry to inform you. And just wait till Hamas starts firing rockets into Tel Aviv...Gaza will look back on the first war as the good old days. If they want WAR, war they will get. And Bill Clinton, Prince Bandar, and Dennis Ross all say you are wrong about Camp David II.
Zuckdawg 2 years ago
Who said anything about ovens? Are you calling all arabs nazis now, simply because they trouble you by existing and wanting to be treated fairly? Hamas has been calling for a peaceful two state solution for years, did you not know that? Your paranoia about arabs wanting to kill you is leading you to support mass murder.
n8glenn 2 years ago