A salute to all who have fallen in this operation, and war! Thank god that The Netherlands, Europe and the World were saved from Nazi control. Je maintiendrai! Greet Dave from The Netherlands
I'm little unclear as to where the Air Force was during the whole debacle. You could never operate a land force in any war with planes constantly bombing you ass off. ?????
@1dschamp In world war 2 you couldn't just call in some air support. The US army didn't have dedicated FAC's until late '44, and even then, they were a regimental asset. Planes were not available at night, in low visibility, in overcast conditions, when it was raining, when there was sufficient AA fire, or the threat of enemy aircraft.
Monty always fought a battle he could win. Unfortunatley he was so full of himself he disregarded all the intel on the Panzers in Holland. Too bad, if he played his cards straight he might've actaully won the war by christmas....
@panzergrenadier1941 WHAT. THE. FUCK!!!!!!!!!!??????? We Brits only win when America does most of the fighting? Should be the other way around. E.g1 : The Battle of Britain: There were only 7 yanks in the Battle - and guess what? Britain still won. Yes admittedly this was with a lot of help from occupied countries and the colonies but still proves my point. E.g. 2: The Falklands war: 0 yanks and Britain still wins despite being on the other side of the World. E.g 3: Vietnam: 0 Brits.......
@palladiumcoupling Actually, Atomic Games only recently became a game company again, and it looks like they might go out of business again.
Copyright no longer exists for Close Combat 1 and 2, as far as I know Matrix Games originally bought the copyright, but now CC1&2 are officially classified as shareware. I obtained this footage directly from the game disk, as I bought Close Combat 2 in 1999. I still play it occasionally.
We were so close to Arnhem. Literally the brits were right across the Rhine. And if we captured the Bridge we might have gotten to Berlin faster too, besides taking down German war industries
Monty's main mistake was underestimating the German defense. He also let the German units slip from being captured on the island.
I read Cornelius Ryan's book. And yes Im an american.
this video is for me another proof of montgomery''s failures he was the worst commander is history ok he won from rommel in afrika but rommel had less fuel less tanks less ammo less supply and montgomery had much more troops and still he had many many losses and rommel too but not as much as montgomery.
montgomery should have gotten the electrichair so he can never be a commander
and btw the germans own america en britain in ww2 with less man ohh yes iam no german if you think that
@DutchClubSounds When Monty first beat Rommel he did so when the 8th had material parity with the Panzer Army and the Panzer Army had slight manpower superiority - look up Alam el Halfa. Rommel lost about 2,900 men while Monty lost about 1,700
At 2nd El Alamein he built his advantages over Rommel and prepared thoroughly for the operation, this saved more lives than if he had tried some Patton/Rommelesque mobile assault. Rommel lost about 30,500 men at El Alamein while Monty lost about 13,000.
@DutchClubSounds The casualties at the Battle of Medinine were low but Rommel was still defeated by Monty with ease. The next time they fought each other was during OVERLORD & Rommel was wounded before its conclusion. Monty, on the other hand, was the principal architect of the OVERLORD plan & the Allied Ground Forces commander who executed it. OVERLORD was the single biggest victory the Western Allies won in WW2 & even Monty-haters like Omar Bradley said it couldn't have been won without him.
@DutchClubSounds Hate to burst your bubble, but Germany had more men in the Western front than the Allies did... Also, saying "LOL WORST COMMANDER EVAR" is kind of immature. Have you factored in that Rommel, while having fewer men and dwindling supplies, had far superior tanks and equipment than Monty? Jesus, use your head. A crusader stood no chance against a Panzer IV at range, let alone defensive deployments of the 88s!
Monty was an ally, his heart was in the right place. Had he jumped into Arnem with his men, I would have more respect for him. As it was, he made a terrible mistake and Ike should have crap canned his "market garden" plan. Always remember, the one thing it can always do is to get worse.
@bdcetm1 Why would Monty have jumped into Arnhem? He wasn't a paratrooper, he didn't know anything about paratrooper warfare - that's why he let known paratrooper experts Frederick Browning and Louis Brereton plan and execute the operation - he was an infantryman and land-based general. One of Monty's core beliefs was to let the air force command air based operations. Would you want an infantryman who knew nothing of air-based warfare go muddling about in those things?
@bdcetm1 And Eisenhower fully believed that MARKET GARDEN was well worth the risk, and it was, but if we're to lay blame on people with hindsight then Ike must shoulder a great deal. As SHAEF he was the man responsible for chosing which operations were undertaken and what support they recieved. He did not put the clearing of the Scheldt high on the priority list and he failed to give MARKET GARDEN the support he promised it and also transfered material, transportation and supplies away from it.
The historical perception on the Battle of Arnhem is still strange though, the most battles were fought in and around Oosterbeek, Frost reached the bridge and was actually alone there... the rest stranded at Rijnhotel area, Onderlangs.... the vision now is all happened in the cneter of Arnhem.. not quite right:-)
@UStheFA Let me point out to you that Montgomery was Allied Land Forces commander during the Normandy Campaign. In this role he was responsible for the campaign as a whole, which means that ultimate responsibility for success or failure in both 2nd British and 1st US Armies sectors is his, meaning that the total victory of the Normandy Campaign is his. Direct accountability for the tactical successes or failures in the American Sector is Omar Bradley's and in theBritish sector is Miles Dempseys.
@UStheFA Furthermore the German resistance to the British operations was far heavier than resistance to the American operations. 6 and a half Panzer divisions were against the British around Caen and only 1 and a half were against the Americans. This was planned for, the Allies expected it, which is why the American units had more tasks to accomplish than the British. To criticise the British and Monty for "taking his time" is to completely disregard the strength of their opposition.
Montgomery did a good job in the western desert.The British army thought that he was the man.The truth is that he waited until he had overwhelming odds before he attacked Rommel.The Afrika corps was already in trouble because they were not getting the re enforcements and supplies they needed.But Monty got the glory and was made a field marshall.In europe it was a different matter.Monty's plan was inherently a good one.The problem was that Monty underestimated the stength of the opposition.
Dropped smack into a hornets nest.They were led by idiots.Well done the Allied command, for one great big F' UP.Many good men died here because of their bafoonery.
@philipg52: When I look at this I am convinced people are mad, so much effort spent trying to kill each other, for no good resaon. People are crazy, and what is even more stupid they are still doing the same thing to this day and still living in poverty, and the Government is still F..ing up the Ass.
@philipg52: No one ever called him to task, but it was originally Montgomery's idea. I dont know why people thought he was so great, he actually sucked.
@UStheFA Montgomery is one of the best generals of the war. He is constantly misrepresented to cover the tactical incompetence of the american senior commanders. From Rommel to von Runsdedt he continualy wrong footed the the enemy and out manouvered them.In the western desert he conned Rommel into putting all his tanks in the wrong place, he tricked the germans in the same way in normandy, getting them to concentrate their forces on his left flank and then encircling them with his right.
@soo6200: Yea, no. He only won against Rommel because he had more of everything. He used heavy FRONTAL assaults into long ranging German guns. "Master of frontal assaults". He would NOT make a move on Rommel unless he had the upper-hand and of course, out-numbering Rommel. Monty also did a crappy job in Italy, and insulted American fighting ability. Patton showed him when he beat him to Monty's objective in Sicily. Not to mention Monty was almost fired and replaced.
@UStheFA You're an American. Look at George B. McClellan from the Civil War for a minute. Then come back and tell me that superiority of numbers and material automatically means your going to win.
@UStheFA Also learn a bit about the Sicily Campaign. Montgomery suggested Patton take Messina, he pulled troops out of the advance to prepare for the invasion of Italy once Alexander agreed to order Patton to take Messina. The race to Messina was in Patton's mind only, it was a PR stunt for Patton's ego & American Pride. Never mind the fact that when Patton finally engaged the German rearguard near Messina he achieved no better results than the British had & failed to hamper the German retreat.
@UStheFA I'll - somewhat - let you off on that because you're an American & Alex was very American in style (give vague orders & rely on subordinates initiative to do the rest) but had you been British I would have shot you down without mercy. I dont have a good word to say about Alex the general - as a soldier I do but as general I dont - in my book he was one of the worst generals of the war. How can you rate the man who messed up the Italy and Sicily Campaigns through command neglect highly?
@LAKORN I don't know, and I don't know. I don't think the actual footage has any sort of copyright, and the voice over was done as part of an old computer game done by a company that no longer exists.
The Dutch should have run this battle not Monty. The battle was a bad idea from the day it was first suggested. The Red Devils where just thrown away and the 101ST and 82ND could so easily have gone the same way. The Dutch paid for this disaster so badly.
born and raised in Arnhem .We remember every September.Even though there are less and less surviving veterans every year,their sons/family come over to Arnhem to remember and I'm proud of that! And also,please do know that us Arnhemmers/Oosterbekers etc are remembering/respecting still;the dead souls who have fought against the Germans.If we could turn back time.Yes,most of you probably have done it in a different way....but we can't turn it back ...
@juulhuul81 Arnhem,cool!Audrey Hepburn lived here too when she was a child.I've heard that she suffered from famine during the WWII.Does it exist any Hepburn's museum in the place where you live?Sorry for my bad English,but I'm Brazilian!
@juulhuul81 Arnhem,cool!Audrey Hepburn lived There too when she was a child.I've heard that she suffered from famine during the WWII.Does it exist any Hepburn's museum in the place where you live?Sorry for my bad English,but I'm Brazilian!
@juulhuul81 Ede native, currently living in Arnhem here. Until a few years ago actual WW2 veterans would take part in reenactments of the allied landings (Ginkelse Heide). This stopped only when dutch officials considered it too dangerous for such old men to partake in such shows, much to the dismay of the veterans themselves. They considered themselves, being well into their 80s, to be able to parajump just fine. Where does one find such a strong character and personality anymore?
@juulhuul81 Germans had to in order to avoid two fronts on the same front. The British and Aussies had invaded France as well, this is okay to you? None of it would have happened? HAHAHAHA the allies were the ones who declared war were Germany offered peace 3 times! hahaha, if the Brits and the allies never declared war or ignored the peace offerings, nobody would have step foot on your country's soil.
The last words? In September 1944 around Arnhem more Dutch fought for the Germans than for the allies. Like Landstorm Nederland at Oosterbeek. So Monty could have given the prince a nice reply. Dutch critique about British caution with the Dutch Resistence movement ignores that there had been many Nazi spies in that organisation. That the telephone system was working through the frontline did not create trust. Why did the Germans did not interfere? They even confiscated all carrier pigeons.
@crematio People didn't have much of a choice whom to fight for, there were groups of Dutch people that supported the Dutch Nazi party, and sure they fought for the Germans, but most people didn't fight for any side because it would most likely mean that their whole family would be send to a concentration camp if you are identified as fighting for the Allies. Also, the Dutch had no supplies to fight a fullblown battle with themselves, and the Allies barely even had enough for themselves.
@Hesseltinga The Germans found many willing recruits that needed no encouragement by force. The Landstorm people fought to well to be rated as forced. My critic was not that the unarmed people did not fight but that they dare to criticize allied caution in face of the many nazi spies and traitors.
The jubilating peoples in the towns blocked streets, often slowing the advance more than the Germans and many stole items from vehicles as souvenirs. The Guards got some bad experiences.
@crematio I see what you're saying, and I do agree with that. I did not suggest they were forced to fight though. However, I think the criticism originated from Monty's statement that the mission was 90% succesfull. The country went into starvation right after the operation, so I do not blame them for criticizing the operation after that statement considering the state they were in.
@Hesseltinga Yes biu , the famine was not caused by the destruction but by the lack of transport. Under German occupation it would have been the same, or even worse. Monty used the 90 % gains later in the battle of Rhineland. Patton had to learn in that battle that his southern advance plan was not better. It was the British army that decided the attack from the jumping points gained in Market Garden.
Pretty good documentary. Everything looks pretty accurate as far as footage except the first few seconds. That's definitely not a C47 they're jumping out of. Looks like a C119 from the 50's.
@Dengar12000 There's no need to be rude, sir. I asked because I recognized the footage from the game Close Combat, I was only wondering if you acquired this from the original source i.e, not from the game. Don't be crass to people who actually like your videos...
@Dengar12000 cool video. Thank you very much. I've been reading about this story on the book IT NEVER SNOWS IN SEPTEMBER. all accounted by German vets who were there, the SS and the regular army.
@InfidelAdvocate every general had there ups and downs. Montgomery led one of the best victories of the second world war in north Africa but got it horribly wrong in market garden. The plan could well have worked if it had happened earlier and people hadn't debated over it, because a week or so before SS divisions moved into ther area with a lot of tanks. I do agree about your points on intelligence and the politics. The allies refused to accept the Dutch resistances intelligence on the matter.
A deep debt of gratitude to the men of the 505 PIR. What they did, what they suffered, what they accomplished is beyond imagination -- in Sicily, Salerno, Normandy and Holland. I'm honored to have been a paratrooper with the 1/505 PIR.
what a battle,i hate the geman murdering marauders but one cant take deny the fact they fight like murderous devils,against so many countries,i dont admire this i am just stating it,had hitler left full command to a general like rommel from 1941 onwards im sure history would have been written in german.no doubt, the madness that made hitler broke hitler and decimated germany,i hope we never see the likes of it again,so many children killed and murdered..makes one very sad..
talked to several german soldiers in the 1950's who said they loved to fight Monty, they tought he was to slow, they also thought the world of Patton, maybe the best of WW2
The debate over whether or not Monty was a good general is over. Monty was the kind of guy who let his emotions and his ego get in the way of doing his job. He wasn't the only general to do so.
Was the Market Garden plan risky? Yes it was. Officers on Monty's staff, and Eisenhower's staff both protested that the plan was too dangerous.
In the end, however, the plan went foward, and the events are now history.
@BruceK10032 I can bitch and moan like a child if I want to, it's my video. I was telling everyone else to stop moaning and crying, and have dick waving contests.
Operation market garden= bad move by a bad general, that was a big fuck up Monty never took the blame for. It was his damn idea even tho Eisenhower agreed. The Germans sure beat the hell out of u.s/u.k in that episode.They guy said allies 17,000 dead, and the germans had 3,000-8,000 not dead, but casualties.
@BeaukLynch Bad General? It was a bad move, I'll give you that, but you really think Montgomery was a bad general? Montgomery was a better general than Eisenhower, and he was as good as Patton. If you think they 3 were bad generals then you sir, are an ignorant.
@jonatan9505 : Eisenhower and Patton were good, its Monty's stadegy i dont like, he needs over-whelming force before he makes a move, and He hid way behind his own lines! He was a plotter is what im getting at, it took him a long time to overcome Rommel and his Afrikakorps, and he had double the amount of tanks and infantry! I have my oppinions and you have yours, dosnt make us ignorant.
@BeaukLynch Actually, it can. Make you ignorant I mean. I'm not saying you are, I'm just stating a fact. I consider Monty to be one of the best generals of WW2. Proof? We won the war. Eisenhower got the top spot because of his people skills basically. Monty and Patton were to attached to their emotions but military wise, both of them were better generals than Eisenhower.
Major Cain was a VC winner at Arnhem. A Panzer division kept on killing his men, which pissed him off so he went mental at them with a tiny piat anti-tank gun. He immobilised one of them and then called in artillery to destroy it. He kept attacking the tanks and armoured guns until his Piat failed when he started firing mortar rounds at them from his hip. He'd been shot about 6 times over 5 days but he kept repelling the attacks refusing treatment. He was one of 6 VC winners at Arnhem, I think.
@JackandBlood Shoot them with PIAT's. Unlike the Tiger, the Panther was actually vulnerable in the sides and rear from hand-held anti-tank weapons. German tank doctrine normally forbid using tanks in built up areas, to avoid the danger of infantry anti-tank weapons.
@aidanoboyle It's supplemental video from an old video game called Close Combat: A Bridge Too Far. I think the game company got it from an old documentary, but I am not sure which one.
@Dengar12000 Oh, I remember that game. wasn't it an older RTS style game? I was a bit younger n barely played it, but my dad n my uncle got into it a bit. we all shared pc games haha.
@13fafo During World War II the German-born prince was part of the London based Allied war planning councils and an active RAF wing commander flying both fighter and bomber planes into combat. He was a Dutch general and supreme commander of the Dutch Armed forces, involved in negotiating the terms of surrender of the German army in the Netherlands.
@ozeangruen yea thats true, but when he lived in germany he was member of the NSDAP and Reiter-SS and this is true.
There is evidence that he was a member.
Later in his live he married Princes Juliana of the Netherlands and had children with her. When the war began the queen and princes and himself fled to London.
The Princes fled even further to Canada with their children.
wow, this operation was one of the airbornes bigest blunders, as soon as they hit the ground they were bombarded by ss troops. lol. i just find it hilarious how on wikipedian it dosn't mention any of that
They say the Marines are the best......i doubt that...i bet none of them would have the guts to do what these guys did. MY father was an Airborne in Mexico. I respect these guys for what they did.Who agrees with me.
All that skill should have been used for something else rather than this stupid war. The Germans had always been more superior to the Allies pound for pound, but either parties just wasted time, resources, and lives. :(
Some historians, such as British author and ex-newspaper editor Max Hastings, consider that " ... there's no doubt that man for man, the German army was the greatest fighting force of the second world war".
The Germans' military strength was managed through mission-based tactics (rather than order-based tactics by allied) and an almost proverbial discipline. unfortunaly the US are still using order based tactics.
Naming villages and areas where fighting took place are just empty words without seeing a map.
I guess it's strategy - the west doesn't like to recognise the fact that the Germans, with much smaller numbers, turned a critical situation into a brilliant war of maneuvre in which the slow Allied command structure was powerless.
That would have happened in any case as it had already been decided at Yalta where the post war boundary would be. There are some who say that Ike actually slowed the progress of the US army late in the war so that they didn't die for lands that would later go to the Soviets.
Yalta was February 45; Operation Market Garden was September 44! Ike wanted a broad front advance because he was a "pusillanimous son-of-a-bitch!" FDR and Eleanor never met a Bolshevist they didn't like! The reason the Continent was a shambles to begin with was on account of the goddamned Soviets giving Hitler free reign with the Non-Aggression Pact! Regardless of any prior agreement, the Allies would have had no incentive to honor it in the event of a stunning maneuverist victory in 1944!
It doesn't matter when the decision was made the point is that OpMG did NOT have an impact on the Soviet gains post WW2, it was decided at a political level. The Soviet Army DID withdraw in some areas to the line previously agreed and in all likelihood the Western Allies would have as well. Of course had OpMG succeeded and Yalta took place with the Allied Army occupying most of Germany things may have been different. This was never going to happen with Ike's uninspired frontal assault tactics.
AMAZING! I always wondered WHAT happened to Arnhem after the battle. Whether it remained in German control or not. but APRIL of 1945?!?!? that is remarkable for the german wermacht. for ANY army I'd say... The german army of that time has MY respect undoubtedly.
The Germans retained Arnhem until April mainly because no one tried to take it off them. Remember the objective was not sure much to take Arnhem but cross the Rhine. Once that had been achieved elsewhere the need to take Arnhem passed.
True. You make a point. It just seems so odd to me... that later after the battle, the port of Antwerp was captured and the route of supply could have potentially easily fed the drive back through Arnhem. Later in the war, th eallies concern was finding a route to cross the rhine. Throughout the war, Arnhem remaining in control of German hands..which led RIGHT to the ruhr industrial heart of Germany... I need to step back and relook at everything.
After Market Garden the british struck East and crossed the Rhine near Kessel so the supply line ran through there which was actually a more direct route anyway. Arhnem was on the flank of the Rhur which lead to Monty's plan, outflank the area and roll it up North to South and avoid potentially costly frontal assaults as the US endured.
It was US' General's obsession with capturing famous cities, and stealing credit from the British that led to thousands of lifes being lost and the lengthening of the war.
Amongst the most pathetic examples I can think off is Bradley throwing American troops at the Rhine like it was some kind cross-country.
Another example is the battle of Hurtgen Forest, when thousands of young americans died for no cause other than generals reputations in time of allied victort.. not retreat.
You forgot about Polish 1st parachute brigade,, it's mentioned in the footage (though as Polish 1 st parachute divison ) but not in your operation descripton. It was a part of the operation and played significant part in the combat , Mongomery praised their bravery and dedication. Of course soon after the failed operation he blamed Poles for it, cause he wouldn't accept that his plan was idiotic and unrealistic in the first place
Montgomery of course ... sorry for missing "t" ... gen. Sosabowski was forced to resign ,great shame . He was one of the best Polish officers during the WWII, as well as one of the best generals of allied forces. Yet after the war he worked as a factory worker, forgoten and unjustfully disgraced.
The Poles fought well. It's not their fault the Germans captured the landing zone near Arnhem.
The Poles had no other option but to be dropped south of Oosterbeek, on the other side of the river. They were also not properly equipped for a river crossing, so the attempt to reinforce 1st Airborne was a failure.
Hindsight is 20/20, when a major operation fails, High Command looks for scapegoats.
That's where the saying "shit rolls downhill" comes from.
Sosabowski did propose a combined atack of polish paratropers and more units from XXX corps, at a commanders meeting on 24th but british command refused assuming the battle is lost. at the end 1st SBS (Polish - Independent parachute brigade) covered the evacuation of British 1st Airborne ( without AT guns- were send with first ,british,wave to Arnhem on gliders, and without artilerry - it was supposed to be send by sea... so only with handheld weapons... )
From the German perspective, the line US troops could not suffer severe casualties without breaking...paras, rangers and marines should be exemptions from this rule. The Commonwealth troops were assumed to be much harder , especially Australians and Canadians
The montgomery plan on market garden was too ambitious.Dats y it failed.He uderestimated da german wermacht in the netherlands.Feel sorry for da men who participated in the operation.
British 1st Airborne suffered the most casualties by far. The entire British 1st Airborne "Red Devils" was disbanded, never to be reconstituted as a unit ever again.
Second to the British 1st Airborne, was the U.S. 82nd Airborne.
Then the units making up XXX Corps after the 9th and 10th SS had gotten ahold of them.
The 101st Airborne had the fewest casualties.
In total, the US forces suffered about 30% fewer casualties than the British forces.
I wasn't referring to Market garden specifically I was meaning the higher level of casualties suffered by the US forces in Western Europe as a whole. Of course it is my contention that the failure of the US generals which caused the destruction of 1 Abn
The 1st Airborne Division wasn't disbanded until November of 1945, as part of the general demob of the Britisha army after the war. Small elements of 1 Abn did serve in Norway after the German surrender. The modern 16 AAslt Bde draws it's lineage from 1 Abn.
That is exactly the reason. US commanders knew that their men were not afraid to die for freedom so routinely they were the ones to lead assaults while others sat back on their buttocks.
The point is to make the other guy die for freedom. I think it was Patton who said that. The US suffered higher casualties largely due to inexperience and poor tactical doctrine. As for sitting on their butts remember that the Caen op
@Dengar1200 why is this still here?
ddfrenzy737 1 month ago
@ddfrenzy737 What do you mean?
Dengar12000 1 month ago
@Dengar12000 I mean like this movie is old and irritating and boring.
ddfrenzy737 3 weeks ago
@ddfrenzy737 Then why are you watching it?
Dengar12000 3 weeks ago
Google 'Parachute 2 Club' for 2 PARA photo archive.
Whatever81417 1 month ago
A salute to all who have fallen in this operation, and war! Thank god that The Netherlands, Europe and the World were saved from Nazi control. Je maintiendrai! Greet Dave from The Netherlands
davedebekker 2 months ago
I'm little unclear as to where the Air Force was during the whole debacle. You could never operate a land force in any war with planes constantly bombing you ass off. ?????
1dschamp 2 months ago
@1dschamp In world war 2 you couldn't just call in some air support. The US army didn't have dedicated FAC's until late '44, and even then, they were a regimental asset. Planes were not available at night, in low visibility, in overcast conditions, when it was raining, when there was sufficient AA fire, or the threat of enemy aircraft.
In Holland, we ran into all of that stuff.
Dengar12000 2 months ago
Monty always fought a battle he could win. Unfortunatley he was so full of himself he disregarded all the intel on the Panzers in Holland. Too bad, if he played his cards straight he might've actaully won the war by christmas....
Trashcansam123 2 months ago
The Brits only win when Americans do most of the fighting.
panzergrenadier1941 2 months ago
@panzergrenadier1941 The Americans did do most of the fighting in this operation.
IluvPoker100 2 weeks ago
@panzergrenadier1941 WHAT. THE. FUCK!!!!!!!!!!??????? We Brits only win when America does most of the fighting? Should be the other way around. E.g1 : The Battle of Britain: There were only 7 yanks in the Battle - and guess what? Britain still won. Yes admittedly this was with a lot of help from occupied countries and the colonies but still proves my point. E.g. 2: The Falklands war: 0 yanks and Britain still wins despite being on the other side of the World. E.g 3: Vietnam: 0 Brits.......
MrBrit4l 3 days ago
@palladiumcoupling I do not play Close Combat online, and yes, I have kept up with the latest news and developments on Mooxe's site.
Dengar12000 2 months ago
@palladiumcoupling Actually, Atomic Games only recently became a game company again, and it looks like they might go out of business again.
Copyright no longer exists for Close Combat 1 and 2, as far as I know Matrix Games originally bought the copyright, but now CC1&2 are officially classified as shareware. I obtained this footage directly from the game disk, as I bought Close Combat 2 in 1999. I still play it occasionally.
Dengar12000 2 months ago
We were so close to Arnhem. Literally the brits were right across the Rhine. And if we captured the Bridge we might have gotten to Berlin faster too, besides taking down German war industries
Monty's main mistake was underestimating the German defense. He also let the German units slip from being captured on the island.
I read Cornelius Ryan's book. And yes Im an american.
Trashcansam123 4 months ago
this video is for me another proof of montgomery''s failures he was the worst commander is history ok he won from rommel in afrika but rommel had less fuel less tanks less ammo less supply and montgomery had much more troops and still he had many many losses and rommel too but not as much as montgomery.
montgomery should have gotten the electrichair so he can never be a commander
and btw the germans own america en britain in ww2 with less man ohh yes iam no german if you think that
DutchClubSounds 4 months ago
@DutchClubSounds When Monty first beat Rommel he did so when the 8th had material parity with the Panzer Army and the Panzer Army had slight manpower superiority - look up Alam el Halfa. Rommel lost about 2,900 men while Monty lost about 1,700
At 2nd El Alamein he built his advantages over Rommel and prepared thoroughly for the operation, this saved more lives than if he had tried some Patton/Rommelesque mobile assault. Rommel lost about 30,500 men at El Alamein while Monty lost about 13,000.
11nytram11 4 months ago
@DutchClubSounds The casualties at the Battle of Medinine were low but Rommel was still defeated by Monty with ease. The next time they fought each other was during OVERLORD & Rommel was wounded before its conclusion. Monty, on the other hand, was the principal architect of the OVERLORD plan & the Allied Ground Forces commander who executed it. OVERLORD was the single biggest victory the Western Allies won in WW2 & even Monty-haters like Omar Bradley said it couldn't have been won without him.
11nytram11 4 months ago
@DutchClubSounds Hate to burst your bubble, but Germany had more men in the Western front than the Allies did... Also, saying "LOL WORST COMMANDER EVAR" is kind of immature. Have you factored in that Rommel, while having fewer men and dwindling supplies, had far superior tanks and equipment than Monty? Jesus, use your head. A crusader stood no chance against a Panzer IV at range, let alone defensive deployments of the 88s!
ScotDaimyo 4 months ago
@ScotDaimyo Good point my friend. Good point.
6562039 4 months ago
@DutchClubSounds
Montgomery won Normandy the most important battle in the history of Western Europe..
It was for this reason that Zhukov awarded him the Victory medal.
Monty's long lasting success was to make sure the Soviets would not go into Denmark & the rest of Scandinavia.. from Operations Plunder & Varsity..
LordGeorgeRodney 2 months ago
You should add info about Polish and Canadian soldiers in this operation, in the description.
TheDzikusPL 4 months ago
@TheDzikusPL I may just do that.
Dengar12000 4 months ago
Monty was an ally, his heart was in the right place. Had he jumped into Arnem with his men, I would have more respect for him. As it was, he made a terrible mistake and Ike should have crap canned his "market garden" plan. Always remember, the one thing it can always do is to get worse.
bdcetm1 5 months ago
@bdcetm1 Why would Monty have jumped into Arnhem? He wasn't a paratrooper, he didn't know anything about paratrooper warfare - that's why he let known paratrooper experts Frederick Browning and Louis Brereton plan and execute the operation - he was an infantryman and land-based general. One of Monty's core beliefs was to let the air force command air based operations. Would you want an infantryman who knew nothing of air-based warfare go muddling about in those things?
11nytram11 5 months ago
@bdcetm1 And Eisenhower fully believed that MARKET GARDEN was well worth the risk, and it was, but if we're to lay blame on people with hindsight then Ike must shoulder a great deal. As SHAEF he was the man responsible for chosing which operations were undertaken and what support they recieved. He did not put the clearing of the Scheldt high on the priority list and he failed to give MARKET GARDEN the support he promised it and also transfered material, transportation and supplies away from it.
11nytram11 5 months ago
The historical perception on the Battle of Arnhem is still strange though, the most battles were fought in and around Oosterbeek, Frost reached the bridge and was actually alone there... the rest stranded at Rijnhotel area, Onderlangs.... the vision now is all happened in the cneter of Arnhem.. not quite right:-)
jippiejojippiejee 6 months ago
Also in Normandy, Montgomery got all caught up like a fly in the web-city of Caen. He was taking his time, which is the type of General he is!
UStheFA 6 months ago
@UStheFA Let me point out to you that Montgomery was Allied Land Forces commander during the Normandy Campaign. In this role he was responsible for the campaign as a whole, which means that ultimate responsibility for success or failure in both 2nd British and 1st US Armies sectors is his, meaning that the total victory of the Normandy Campaign is his. Direct accountability for the tactical successes or failures in the American Sector is Omar Bradley's and in theBritish sector is Miles Dempseys.
11nytram11 5 months ago
@UStheFA Furthermore the German resistance to the British operations was far heavier than resistance to the American operations. 6 and a half Panzer divisions were against the British around Caen and only 1 and a half were against the Americans. This was planned for, the Allies expected it, which is why the American units had more tasks to accomplish than the British. To criticise the British and Monty for "taking his time" is to completely disregard the strength of their opposition.
11nytram11 5 months ago
germany won the last operation in here
bluestickman1 6 months ago
Montgomery did a good job in the western desert.The British army thought that he was the man.The truth is that he waited until he had overwhelming odds before he attacked Rommel.The Afrika corps was already in trouble because they were not getting the re enforcements and supplies they needed.But Monty got the glory and was made a field marshall.In europe it was a different matter.Monty's plan was inherently a good one.The problem was that Monty underestimated the stength of the opposition.
philipg52 7 months ago
Yugoslavia - Partisans - Tito
Irriducibili1987ACAB 7 months ago
Dropped smack into a hornets nest.They were led by idiots.Well done the Allied command, for one great big F' UP.Many good men died here because of their bafoonery.
philipg52 7 months ago
@philipg52: When I look at this I am convinced people are mad, so much effort spent trying to kill each other, for no good resaon. People are crazy, and what is even more stupid they are still doing the same thing to this day and still living in poverty, and the Government is still F..ing up the Ass.
maria610421 7 months ago
@philipg52: No one ever called him to task, but it was originally Montgomery's idea. I dont know why people thought he was so great, he actually sucked.
UStheFA 7 months ago
@UStheFA Montgomery is one of the best generals of the war. He is constantly misrepresented to cover the tactical incompetence of the american senior commanders. From Rommel to von Runsdedt he continualy wrong footed the the enemy and out manouvered them.In the western desert he conned Rommel into putting all his tanks in the wrong place, he tricked the germans in the same way in normandy, getting them to concentrate their forces on his left flank and then encircling them with his right.
soo6200 6 months ago
@soo6200: Yea, no. He only won against Rommel because he had more of everything. He used heavy FRONTAL assaults into long ranging German guns. "Master of frontal assaults". He would NOT make a move on Rommel unless he had the upper-hand and of course, out-numbering Rommel. Monty also did a crappy job in Italy, and insulted American fighting ability. Patton showed him when he beat him to Monty's objective in Sicily. Not to mention Monty was almost fired and replaced.
UStheFA 6 months ago
@UStheFA You're an American. Look at George B. McClellan from the Civil War for a minute. Then come back and tell me that superiority of numbers and material automatically means your going to win.
11nytram11 5 months ago
@UStheFA Also learn a bit about the Sicily Campaign. Montgomery suggested Patton take Messina, he pulled troops out of the advance to prepare for the invasion of Italy once Alexander agreed to order Patton to take Messina. The race to Messina was in Patton's mind only, it was a PR stunt for Patton's ego & American Pride. Never mind the fact that when Patton finally engaged the German rearguard near Messina he achieved no better results than the British had & failed to hamper the German retreat.
11nytram11 5 months ago
@11nytram11: That sounds pretty interesting. Alexander was a better British General than Monty in my book.
UStheFA 5 months ago
@UStheFA I'll - somewhat - let you off on that because you're an American & Alex was very American in style (give vague orders & rely on subordinates initiative to do the rest) but had you been British I would have shot you down without mercy. I dont have a good word to say about Alex the general - as a soldier I do but as general I dont - in my book he was one of the worst generals of the war. How can you rate the man who messed up the Italy and Sicily Campaigns through command neglect highly?
11nytram11 5 months ago
Oh forgive me - to clarify....who owns this footage and is it available for use?
LAKORN 7 months ago
@LAKORN I don't know, and I don't know. I don't think the actual footage has any sort of copyright, and the voice over was done as part of an old computer game done by a company that no longer exists.
Dengar12000 7 months ago
Where does that footage come from?
LAKORN 7 months ago
@LAKORN
World War 2. Duh.
Dengar12000 7 months ago
@Dengar12000 I thought it came from Holland? Being Market Garden and all.
Smartarse.
Abbaddon09 6 months ago
The Dutch should have run this battle not Monty. The battle was a bad idea from the day it was first suggested. The Red Devils where just thrown away and the 101ST and 82ND could so easily have gone the same way. The Dutch paid for this disaster so badly.
tina6581 9 months ago
My grandad wad in the guards armoured division and was in this battle. He is still alive today and has lots of memories.
mdonkeyoty 9 months ago
born and raised in Arnhem .We remember every September.Even though there are less and less surviving veterans every year,their sons/family come over to Arnhem to remember and I'm proud of that! And also,please do know that us Arnhemmers/Oosterbekers etc are remembering/respecting still;the dead souls who have fought against the Germans.If we could turn back time.Yes,most of you probably have done it in a different way....but we can't turn it back ...
Thanks for the video Dengar12000.
juulhuul81 9 months ago
@juulhuul81 Thank you for your comment, and thank you for watching.
Dengar12000 9 months ago
@juulhuul81 Arnhem,cool!Audrey Hepburn lived here too when she was a child.I've heard that she suffered from famine during the WWII.Does it exist any Hepburn's museum in the place where you live?Sorry for my bad English,but I'm Brazilian!
itiroeto 8 months ago
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@juulhuul81 Arnhem,cool!Audrey Hepburn lived There too when she was a child.I've heard that she suffered from famine during the WWII.Does it exist any Hepburn's museum in the place where you live?Sorry for my bad English,but I'm Brazilian!
itiroeto 8 months ago
@juulhuul81 Ede native, currently living in Arnhem here. Until a few years ago actual WW2 veterans would take part in reenactments of the allied landings (Ginkelse Heide). This stopped only when dutch officials considered it too dangerous for such old men to partake in such shows, much to the dismay of the veterans themselves. They considered themselves, being well into their 80s, to be able to parajump just fine. Where does one find such a strong character and personality anymore?
dlseth2 7 months ago
@juulhuul81 thats pretty low of you to not mention the Germans. Were they not human?
BandOfBrothers25 7 months ago
@juulhuul81 Germans had to in order to avoid two fronts on the same front. The British and Aussies had invaded France as well, this is okay to you? None of it would have happened? HAHAHAHA the allies were the ones who declared war were Germany offered peace 3 times! hahaha, if the Brits and the allies never declared war or ignored the peace offerings, nobody would have step foot on your country's soil.
BandOfBrothers25 6 months ago
@DeMVanAap
I could have answered normally, but I didn't.
Thanks for watching!
Dengar12000 9 months ago
The last words? In September 1944 around Arnhem more Dutch fought for the Germans than for the allies. Like Landstorm Nederland at Oosterbeek. So Monty could have given the prince a nice reply. Dutch critique about British caution with the Dutch Resistence movement ignores that there had been many Nazi spies in that organisation. That the telephone system was working through the frontline did not create trust. Why did the Germans did not interfere? They even confiscated all carrier pigeons.
crematio 9 months ago
@crematio People didn't have much of a choice whom to fight for, there were groups of Dutch people that supported the Dutch Nazi party, and sure they fought for the Germans, but most people didn't fight for any side because it would most likely mean that their whole family would be send to a concentration camp if you are identified as fighting for the Allies. Also, the Dutch had no supplies to fight a fullblown battle with themselves, and the Allies barely even had enough for themselves.
Hesseltinga 8 months ago
@Hesseltinga The Germans found many willing recruits that needed no encouragement by force. The Landstorm people fought to well to be rated as forced. My critic was not that the unarmed people did not fight but that they dare to criticize allied caution in face of the many nazi spies and traitors.
The jubilating peoples in the towns blocked streets, often slowing the advance more than the Germans and many stole items from vehicles as souvenirs. The Guards got some bad experiences.
crematio 8 months ago
@crematio I see what you're saying, and I do agree with that. I did not suggest they were forced to fight though. However, I think the criticism originated from Monty's statement that the mission was 90% succesfull. The country went into starvation right after the operation, so I do not blame them for criticizing the operation after that statement considering the state they were in.
Hesseltinga 8 months ago
@Hesseltinga Yes biu , the famine was not caused by the destruction but by the lack of transport. Under German occupation it would have been the same, or even worse. Monty used the 90 % gains later in the battle of Rhineland. Patton had to learn in that battle that his southern advance plan was not better. It was the British army that decided the attack from the jumping points gained in Market Garden.
crematio 8 months ago
I like how English people say city's like Nijmegen Arnhem and Ossterbeek Haha
Thekakaguide1 10 months ago
Pretty good documentary. Everything looks pretty accurate as far as footage except the first few seconds. That's definitely not a C47 they're jumping out of. Looks like a C119 from the 50's.
roadstarman58 10 months ago
Where did you get this footage from?
Uberstroker 10 months ago
@Uberstroker Why don't you read the comments before asking questions, stupid.
Dengar12000 10 months ago
@Dengar12000 There's no need to be rude, sir. I asked because I recognized the footage from the game Close Combat, I was only wondering if you acquired this from the original source i.e, not from the game. Don't be crass to people who actually like your videos...
Uberstroker 10 months ago
@Uberstroker Don't call me sir, I work for a living.
Dengar12000 10 months ago
@Dengar12000 cool video. Thank you very much. I've been reading about this story on the book IT NEVER SNOWS IN SEPTEMBER. all accounted by German vets who were there, the SS and the regular army.
PEDROCLASSIC 9 months ago
Very sad that things turned out the wat they did.
robsargent4 11 months ago
2:47 looks cool
ozeangruen 1 year ago
The comments section here is for serious discussion, questions, and information not moonbat propaganda.
Dengar12000 1 year ago
@fuckystoat You sir, need to fuckystoat off of my video right now.
Dengar12000 1 year ago
i think we should honor the seventeen thousand allied soldiers who died during Operation Market Garden
camman44 1 year ago
A bridge too far.
market2garden 1 year ago
@InfidelAdvocate every general had there ups and downs. Montgomery led one of the best victories of the second world war in north Africa but got it horribly wrong in market garden. The plan could well have worked if it had happened earlier and people hadn't debated over it, because a week or so before SS divisions moved into ther area with a lot of tanks. I do agree about your points on intelligence and the politics. The allies refused to accept the Dutch resistances intelligence on the matter.
xGODZILLAFIREFOXx 1 year ago
A deep debt of gratitude to the men of the 505 PIR. What they did, what they suffered, what they accomplished is beyond imagination -- in Sicily, Salerno, Normandy and Holland. I'm honored to have been a paratrooper with the 1/505 PIR.
jporcel100 1 year ago
what a battle,i hate the geman murdering marauders but one cant take deny the fact they fight like murderous devils,against so many countries,i dont admire this i am just stating it,had hitler left full command to a general like rommel from 1941 onwards im sure history would have been written in german.no doubt, the madness that made hitler broke hitler and decimated germany,i hope we never see the likes of it again,so many children killed and murdered..makes one very sad..
andrewkenworthy 1 year ago
good film.
thanhmap100 1 year ago
who does the army trusted the most
AIRBORNE
who does the ladies love the most
AIRBORNE
who does the nazi fear the most
AIRBORNE
who does the nazi zombies eat the most
EVERY1 JUMPS OUT SCARED
keenanfriday285 1 year ago
@keenanfriday285 your Airborn troops wherent really a threat to the Germans
ozeangruen 1 year ago
i like the memorial in Arnhem .
each year we have old brittish and american veterans comming here to see the air shows.
im proud i had the change to shake the hands of the veterans that liberated my grandparents and city.
bless all of you ,and your families.
you will always be remembered.
ImmortalUniverse 1 year ago
EDE!
Airborne Memoriol. Now is the Droping
Thomhonor 1 year ago
god damn it people stop arguing like children and just watch the video
l4mp13 1 year ago
1938dmkdz
talked to several german soldiers in the 1950's who said they loved to fight Monty, they tought he was to slow, they also thought the world of Patton, maybe the best of WW2
1938dmkdz 1 year ago
@1938dmkdz really? cause I talked to American Veterans who hated Patton
RazorCell7 1 year ago
@1938dmkdz
rommel was the best of WW2, the british troops talked about him as if he were superhuman
superdan1875 1 year ago
Stupid stupid egoist Monty .
strangerinwhite 1 year ago
just typed in eindhoven, the city where i live, and im beING ATTACKED WITH WW2 VIDEOS
kamilo321123 1 year ago
Everyone listen:
The debate over whether or not Monty was a good general is over. Monty was the kind of guy who let his emotions and his ego get in the way of doing his job. He wasn't the only general to do so.
Was the Market Garden plan risky? Yes it was. Officers on Monty's staff, and Eisenhower's staff both protested that the plan was too dangerous.
In the end, however, the plan went foward, and the events are now history.
Now stop fighting like children.
Dengar12000 1 year ago
@Dengar12000 Yes, it went forward. And it failed disastrously, as anyone could have seen it would.
Now, stop fighting like a child!
BruceK10032 1 year ago
@BruceK10032 I can bitch and moan like a child if I want to, it's my video. I was telling everyone else to stop moaning and crying, and have dick waving contests.
Dengar12000 1 year ago
@Dengar12000 Haha well said, well said.
megaspencer 1 year ago
Operation market garden= bad move by a bad general, that was a big fuck up Monty never took the blame for. It was his damn idea even tho Eisenhower agreed. The Germans sure beat the hell out of u.s/u.k in that episode.They guy said allies 17,000 dead, and the germans had 3,000-8,000 not dead, but casualties.
BeaukLynch 1 year ago
@BeaukLynch Bad General? It was a bad move, I'll give you that, but you really think Montgomery was a bad general? Montgomery was a better general than Eisenhower, and he was as good as Patton. If you think they 3 were bad generals then you sir, are an ignorant.
jonatan9505 1 year ago
@jonatan9505 : Eisenhower and Patton were good, its Monty's stadegy i dont like, he needs over-whelming force before he makes a move, and He hid way behind his own lines! He was a plotter is what im getting at, it took him a long time to overcome Rommel and his Afrikakorps, and he had double the amount of tanks and infantry! I have my oppinions and you have yours, dosnt make us ignorant.
BeaukLynch 1 year ago
@BeaukLynch Actually, it can. Make you ignorant I mean. I'm not saying you are, I'm just stating a fact. I consider Monty to be one of the best generals of WW2. Proof? We won the war. Eisenhower got the top spot because of his people skills basically. Monty and Patton were to attached to their emotions but military wise, both of them were better generals than Eisenhower.
jonatan9505 1 year ago
I have bin on those places.
I live two hours driving from there.
13fafo 1 year ago
Major Cain was a VC winner at Arnhem. A Panzer division kept on killing his men, which pissed him off so he went mental at them with a tiny piat anti-tank gun. He immobilised one of them and then called in artillery to destroy it. He kept attacking the tanks and armoured guns until his Piat failed when he started firing mortar rounds at them from his hip. He'd been shot about 6 times over 5 days but he kept repelling the attacks refusing treatment. He was one of 6 VC winners at Arnhem, I think.
jacksawild 1 year ago
damn. the brits got it hard. How do you fight Panthers with small arms?
JackandBlood 1 year ago
@JackandBlood Shoot them with PIAT's. Unlike the Tiger, the Panther was actually vulnerable in the sides and rear from hand-held anti-tank weapons. German tank doctrine normally forbid using tanks in built up areas, to avoid the danger of infantry anti-tank weapons.
Dengar12000 1 year ago
@JackandBlood no wonder the Brits lost 8000 plus men and the operation was an epic fail. Who's responsible? Patton???
eraserheads78 1 year ago
@eraserheads78 Read the wikipedia article. No one person in particular to blame. Just an over-ambitious plan against an under-estimated opponent.
JackandBlood 1 year ago
Never more....
Kurtz1974 1 year ago
Do you know the origens of this video? ie. where did you get it/ where did it come from? Doing project and need to verify sources. Thanks
aidanoboyle 1 year ago
@aidanoboyle It's supplemental video from an old video game called Close Combat: A Bridge Too Far. I think the game company got it from an old documentary, but I am not sure which one.
Dengar12000 1 year ago
@Dengar12000 Oh, I remember that game. wasn't it an older RTS style game? I was a bit younger n barely played it, but my dad n my uncle got into it a bit. we all shared pc games haha.
ChaostheClown 1 year ago
@aidanoboyle it's from the AMAZING game Close Combat 2... Market Garden
check it out.. you'll be hooked!
antiscratchy 1 year ago
At the end they say that Prince Bernard said that the Netherlands can never afford such a luxery of Montgomery again.
But today there is evidence tht Prince Bernard was member of a kind of SS in his young days.
I just wanted to say that.
13fafo 1 year ago
@13fafo Price Bernard basically said if Market Garden was a success then what the hell is a defeat.
btw where the hell did you get your info. I want to see the proof that he was in the SS or some type of form of Nazi Ideology
RazorCell7 1 year ago
@RazorCell7 The precise term elluded me. A Pyrrhic victory.
JackandBlood 1 year ago
@13fafo During World War II the German-born prince was part of the London based Allied war planning councils and an active RAF wing commander flying both fighter and bomber planes into combat. He was a Dutch general and supreme commander of the Dutch Armed forces, involved in negotiating the terms of surrender of the German army in the Netherlands.
ozeangruen 1 year ago
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13fafo 1 year ago
@ozeangruen yea thats true, but when he lived in germany he was member of the NSDAP and Reiter-SS and this is true.
There is evidence that he was a member.
Later in his live he married Princes Juliana of the Netherlands and had children with her. When the war began the queen and princes and himself fled to London.
The Princes fled even further to Canada with their children.
This is all true.
13fafo 1 year ago
Thanks Monty!
rawdawg15 1 year ago
I remember seeing this video in cut pieces in Close Combat, great game and great clips. Thanks.
rb26dett95 1 year ago
@rb26dett95 You're welcome.
Dengar12000 1 year ago
wow, this operation was one of the airbornes bigest blunders, as soon as they hit the ground they were bombarded by ss troops. lol. i just find it hilarious how on wikipedian it dosn't mention any of that
THUNDERBAYxBOMBSQUAD 1 year ago
too right mate
they also lost many troops in the damned river
hunkalov 1 year ago
they werent under fire when they just hit the ground. They were STOPPED by the SS, because they went to the wrong bridge.
Thys93Dutchy 1 year ago
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hardcorecrusher12 1 year ago
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hardcorecrusher12 1 year ago
This is the past, the present danger facing Europe is the Muslim immigration.
France, Germany, Great Britain and Holland will become Muslim in the next 35 years if there birth rate does not incease.
In USA the white population will be the minority by 2040. Mexicans and other Native Americans will over take the USA.
Bellicose27 1 year ago
They say the Marines are the best......i doubt that...i bet none of them would have the guts to do what these guys did. MY father was an Airborne in Mexico. I respect these guys for what they did.Who agrees with me.
pozoleater01 2 years ago
I can use this video for school. All credits going to you!!
Theunit236 2 years ago
Thanx for posting, i live in Renkum near by Oosterbeck.
RoTich 2 years ago
Its Oosterbeek, I from the Netherlands, its an intresing operation.
Theunit236 2 years ago
thanks for this bro! its amazing
thegetzdgo 2 years ago
You're welcome.
Dengar12000 2 years ago
All that skill should have been used for something else rather than this stupid war. The Germans had always been more superior to the Allies pound for pound, but either parties just wasted time, resources, and lives. :(
ASubHumanOfSociety 2 years ago
where could i secure a dvd of this ?? please/bitte
wlh1us 2 years ago
Monty was such a wanker.
puck613 2 years ago
thanks for the posting...
planthi80 2 years ago
ad free :)
gigglebaby104 2 years ago
Yeah the Germans are/were good at almost everything.
CriSoldier 2 years ago
i cry for their loss also......
wlh1us 2 years ago
Yes, such a terrible waste of young lives.
CriSoldier 2 years ago
Some historians, such as British author and ex-newspaper editor Max Hastings, consider that " ... there's no doubt that man for man, the German army was the greatest fighting force of the second world war".
ozeangruen 2 years ago
The Germans' military strength was managed through mission-based tactics (rather than order-based tactics by allied) and an almost proverbial discipline. unfortunaly the US are still using order based tactics.
ozeangruen 2 years ago
Naming villages and areas where fighting took place are just empty words without seeing a map.
I guess it's strategy - the west doesn't like to recognise the fact that the Germans, with much smaller numbers, turned a critical situation into a brilliant war of maneuvre in which the slow Allied command structure was powerless.
SoldatenArvidsjaur23 2 years ago
yankss series suckss
the bbc is better than this
g36c1 2 years ago
take out the innoying annotations, mostly the reason people are watching this is for projects, and a class doesn't want to see i big annotation!
KingHaloCinemas 2 years ago
The annotations take 10 seconds out of an 8:35 video. Suck it up, and stop whining.
Dengar12000 2 years ago
Say no to YouTube video advertisements!
sierrxhadlin 2 years ago
And in protracting the war on the Western Front, Operation Market Garden condemns Eastern Europe to the control of the goddamned Soviets!
bravo0105 2 years ago
That would have happened in any case as it had already been decided at Yalta where the post war boundary would be. There are some who say that Ike actually slowed the progress of the US army late in the war so that they didn't die for lands that would later go to the Soviets.
Magpie4000 2 years ago
Yalta was February 45; Operation Market Garden was September 44! Ike wanted a broad front advance because he was a "pusillanimous son-of-a-bitch!" FDR and Eleanor never met a Bolshevist they didn't like! The reason the Continent was a shambles to begin with was on account of the goddamned Soviets giving Hitler free reign with the Non-Aggression Pact! Regardless of any prior agreement, the Allies would have had no incentive to honor it in the event of a stunning maneuverist victory in 1944!
bravo0105 2 years ago
It doesn't matter when the decision was made the point is that OpMG did NOT have an impact on the Soviet gains post WW2, it was decided at a political level. The Soviet Army DID withdraw in some areas to the line previously agreed and in all likelihood the Western Allies would have as well. Of course had OpMG succeeded and Yalta took place with the Allied Army occupying most of Germany things may have been different. This was never going to happen with Ike's uninspired frontal assault tactics.
Magpie4000 2 years ago
AMAZING! I always wondered WHAT happened to Arnhem after the battle. Whether it remained in German control or not. but APRIL of 1945?!?!? that is remarkable for the german wermacht. for ANY army I'd say... The german army of that time has MY respect undoubtedly.
N2513Yat 2 years ago
The Germans retained Arnhem until April mainly because no one tried to take it off them. Remember the objective was not sure much to take Arnhem but cross the Rhine. Once that had been achieved elsewhere the need to take Arnhem passed.
Magpie4000 2 years ago
True. You make a point. It just seems so odd to me... that later after the battle, the port of Antwerp was captured and the route of supply could have potentially easily fed the drive back through Arnhem. Later in the war, th eallies concern was finding a route to cross the rhine. Throughout the war, Arnhem remaining in control of German hands..which led RIGHT to the ruhr industrial heart of Germany... I need to step back and relook at everything.
N2513Yat 2 years ago
After Market Garden the british struck East and crossed the Rhine near Kessel so the supply line ran through there which was actually a more direct route anyway. Arhnem was on the flank of the Rhur which lead to Monty's plan, outflank the area and roll it up North to South and avoid potentially costly frontal assaults as the US endured.
Magpie4000 2 years ago
Airborne in the hot zone! :P
Nikolaa5 2 years ago
It was US' General's obsession with capturing famous cities, and stealing credit from the British that led to thousands of lifes being lost and the lengthening of the war.
Amongst the most pathetic examples I can think off is Bradley throwing American troops at the Rhine like it was some kind cross-country.
azz578 2 years ago
*of
azz578 2 years ago
Another example is the battle of Hurtgen Forest, when thousands of young americans died for no cause other than generals reputations in time of allied victort.. not retreat.
HenryTheHoover32 2 years ago
How come, on this particular YTube entry, I read rational, and rightly proud, entries? Spot on.
transonicbuoy1 2 years ago
That's because I remove comments that are retarded, or offensive.
Dengar12000 2 years ago
Great added sound in this documentary.
BigAngeloSantorini 2 years ago
You forgot about Polish 1st parachute brigade,, it's mentioned in the footage (though as Polish 1 st parachute divison ) but not in your operation descripton. It was a part of the operation and played significant part in the combat , Mongomery praised their bravery and dedication. Of course soon after the failed operation he blamed Poles for it, cause he wouldn't accept that his plan was idiotic and unrealistic in the first place
CairSilverwolf 2 years ago
Montgomery of course ... sorry for missing "t" ... gen. Sosabowski was forced to resign ,great shame . He was one of the best Polish officers during the WWII, as well as one of the best generals of allied forces. Yet after the war he worked as a factory worker, forgoten and unjustfully disgraced.
CairSilverwolf 2 years ago
The Poles fought well. It's not their fault the Germans captured the landing zone near Arnhem.
The Poles had no other option but to be dropped south of Oosterbeek, on the other side of the river. They were also not properly equipped for a river crossing, so the attempt to reinforce 1st Airborne was a failure.
Hindsight is 20/20, when a major operation fails, High Command looks for scapegoats.
That's where the saying "shit rolls downhill" comes from.
Thanks for watching!
Dengar12000 2 years ago
Sosabowski did propose a combined atack of polish paratropers and more units from XXX corps, at a commanders meeting on 24th but british command refused assuming the battle is lost. at the end 1st SBS (Polish - Independent parachute brigade) covered the evacuation of British 1st Airborne ( without AT guns- were send with first ,british,wave to Arnhem on gliders, and without artilerry - it was supposed to be send by sea... so only with handheld weapons... )
CairSilverwolf 2 years ago
ehm, this videos are from the game CloseCombat: A bridge too far? isn´t it?
ZorkTGI 2 years ago
Yes it is. I guess you didn't read the comments before posting.
Dengar12000 2 years ago
From the German perspective, the line US troops could not suffer severe casualties without breaking...paras, rangers and marines should be exemptions from this rule. The Commonwealth troops were assumed to be much harder , especially Australians and Canadians
ZardozCologne 2 years ago
The montgomery plan on market garden was too ambitious.Dats y it failed.He uderestimated da german wermacht in the netherlands.Feel sorry for da men who participated in the operation.
Im proud of them!
neozallstars21 2 years ago
The U.S commanders were far superior then their counterparts. I think we can all agree on that fact!
Mistuhman 2 years ago
Is that why the US forces suffered higher casualties ?
Magpie4000 2 years ago
British 1st Airborne suffered the most casualties by far. The entire British 1st Airborne "Red Devils" was disbanded, never to be reconstituted as a unit ever again.
Second to the British 1st Airborne, was the U.S. 82nd Airborne.
Then the units making up XXX Corps after the 9th and 10th SS had gotten ahold of them.
The 101st Airborne had the fewest casualties.
In total, the US forces suffered about 30% fewer casualties than the British forces.
Dengar12000 2 years ago
I wasn't referring to Market garden specifically I was meaning the higher level of casualties suffered by the US forces in Western Europe as a whole. Of course it is my contention that the failure of the US generals which caused the destruction of 1 Abn
Magpie4000 2 years ago
I misunderstood.
Dengar12000 2 years ago
The 1st Airborne Division wasn't disbanded until November of 1945, as part of the general demob of the Britisha army after the war. Small elements of 1 Abn did serve in Norway after the German surrender. The modern 16 AAslt Bde draws it's lineage from 1 Abn.
Magpie4000 2 years ago
Yes, but after Market Garden, the 1st Airborne existed only on paper. It was never re-built and committed to the fight.
Dengar12000 2 years ago
That is exactly the reason. US commanders knew that their men were not afraid to die for freedom so routinely they were the ones to lead assaults while others sat back on their buttocks.
Mistuhman 2 years ago
The point is to make the other guy die for freedom. I think it was Patton who said that. The US suffered higher casualties largely due to inexperience and poor tactical doctrine. As for sitting on their butts remember that the Caen op