God is considered to be "infinite" because God exists outside the constraints of time. A good analogy would be the interaction between sphere, square, et al. in "Flatland."
As far as I know, this argument falls under the "empirically untestable" category of theistic claptrap.
In mathematics, all sets tend to have some "least upper bound, or greatest lower bound" which are elements outside of that set, but closest to the boundary of the set (no element can be closer to bounding the set). In math we say that the "supremum or infinum" of the set of real numbers is +/-Infinity. Look up "Riemann sphere" for the best visual definition of infinity.
I've heard of it. I tried to mke the video as simplistic in terms as possible. The Riemann sphere would have been a good thought though. Didn't think of it at the time. I think you and I could probably discuss infinity all day though, seeing as you are the math king and I too am a math whiz. Hehe
Let me play devil's advocate here. Imagine a timeline that stretches to infinity both ways. Just because we cant imagine "god" getting to our point, he eventually did because there is a point in the timeline in which the universe "was created." Thats the way i see it, perhaps you could point to me where i went wrong.
Im atheist though, i was just trying to think like a theist so i could play devils advocate a bit better.
I think in response to that I would probably say the following:
You're making an assumption that a god was responsible in the first place.
In the quote:
"he eventually did"
That assumes the premise that a god is responsible. But the point of this video is to show that it would be impossible for an eternal god to do so. So there must therefore be another explanation. That explanation can be a finite being perhaps, though I don't believe that to be so.
True, but if im playing the devils advocate, in this case making the assumption god is real is unavoidable. But i agree.
Personally i think that the universe has always existed in some form. I dont have any evidence to back that up, but thats the best i can come up with. Of course if someone asks me, i just say i dont know. :)
Nothing seems to be impossible for God. Using the understanding we have now of anything to try and understand God is futile.
shinkle4 10 months ago
Devil's Advocate Argument:
God is considered to be "infinite" because God exists outside the constraints of time. A good analogy would be the interaction between sphere, square, et al. in "Flatland."
As far as I know, this argument falls under the "empirically untestable" category of theistic claptrap.
Santo3x7 2 years ago
In mathematics, all sets tend to have some "least upper bound, or greatest lower bound" which are elements outside of that set, but closest to the boundary of the set (no element can be closer to bounding the set). In math we say that the "supremum or infinum" of the set of real numbers is +/-Infinity. Look up "Riemann sphere" for the best visual definition of infinity.
TheMathKing 2 years ago
I've heard of it. I tried to mke the video as simplistic in terms as possible. The Riemann sphere would have been a good thought though. Didn't think of it at the time. I think you and I could probably discuss infinity all day though, seeing as you are the math king and I too am a math whiz. Hehe
riseofatheism 2 years ago
Excellent video man :D
TheReasonWhyGuy 2 years ago
Let me play devil's advocate here. Imagine a timeline that stretches to infinity both ways. Just because we cant imagine "god" getting to our point, he eventually did because there is a point in the timeline in which the universe "was created." Thats the way i see it, perhaps you could point to me where i went wrong.
Im atheist though, i was just trying to think like a theist so i could play devils advocate a bit better.
crackerkiller89 2 years ago
I think in response to that I would probably say the following:
You're making an assumption that a god was responsible in the first place.
In the quote:
"he eventually did"
That assumes the premise that a god is responsible. But the point of this video is to show that it would be impossible for an eternal god to do so. So there must therefore be another explanation. That explanation can be a finite being perhaps, though I don't believe that to be so.
riseofatheism 2 years ago
True, but if im playing the devils advocate, in this case making the assumption god is real is unavoidable. But i agree.
Personally i think that the universe has always existed in some form. I dont have any evidence to back that up, but thats the best i can come up with. Of course if someone asks me, i just say i dont know. :)
crackerkiller89 2 years ago
At :59...
What you're talking about is NOT Ockham's razor. If anything, you're loosely describing Zeno's paradox....but definitely not Ockham's razor.
SansDeity 2 years ago
You are correct. That is my mistake. Thanks for pointing that out.
riseofatheism 2 years ago
Nice Video. Great point.
TheCorrectInfo 2 years ago
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riseofatheism 2 years ago