@paradoxfox93 Who's said I haven't tried drugs for spiritual purposes? I usually try to speak from experience and from experience it doesn't work. It's a false form and doesn't really enlighten you. You might go to another dimension but it's not a good return trip.
No madness here I love the fact that this is just a ride. Even if it gets intense sometimes
@IndigoSpirit13 I'm not so concerned with the pain of a return trip. I see a personal obligation to respect the drug used. To endure that suffering as part of process of creating an artificial imbalance in ones own mind and life because one isn't sensitive enough to life's natural vibrations. Experiences like these can tune one into such vibration if one does not get distracted by the spiritual medium and attempt to repeat its use to cover up the pain of a return trip.
@paradoxfox93 Yes and when recommending people to use drugs as spiritual journeys that's dangerous because alot of people want to escape this reality. That's not respect. I'm actually for the legalization of alot of drugs, but I wouldn't just tell anyone to go drop lsd for an spiritual experience. No not at all. I know people like I"ve said who broke out with serious mental illness after smoking pot. It was quite an extreme and damaging experience for them.
Psychadelics (dmt, lsd, etc.) are not physically addictive, meaning they won't produce physical withdrawal symptoms. They can be psychologically addictive though just as anything that takes you out of the mundane can be including reading books, watching tv, etc. Using drugs are just a different type of spiritual experience, a more visceral (and somethimes frightening) way of achieving the same insights gained over time. I think that all ways of trancending self are valid if used responsibly.
@Damienf77 Other types of drugs including cocaine, alcohol, meth carry with them the added risk of physical addiction and are probably not a good choice for spiritual growth however everything you do in life will bring you to new conclusions about yourself and the world around you and could be seen as spiritual in that way. It's all about personal choice in my opinion and what you're willing to risk to get where you want to be.
@IndigoSpirit13 Actually you can take a drug one time and it sets you on a journey that may last the rest of your life without ever having to use them again. All it takes is one change of perspective to put your life on an entirely different course. I understand what you are saying though about becoming dependant on them. I wouldnt ever recommend using them constantly, day in/day out especially the addictive ones or as a pure escape from reality.
@Damienf77 Even vibration-lowering choices that seem horrible at the time can lead to something much greater just as the death of a biological life nourishes the land so something new can be reborn. It's all just a matter of perspective on the best way to get there, there is really no right answer imo.
@Damienf77 Well I suppose if deteriorating your brain is your perspective of "getting there". From what I've seen it helps to have it intact.
I mean there is enough chemicals in the world that prevent a person from being connected spiritually. it's not often I've encountered people who use drugs "leisurely" who are able to get out of that at all.
@IndigoSpirit13 I used every drug under the sun for years and I don't think it has deteriorated my brain. I no longer feel any desire to use them but I can understand why people do. I understand that you are coming from a place within your own experience and from your own perspective just as we all are, but there are many people who have used psychadelics and still have very sharp minds. Watch some videos of Terence Mckenna if you havent already. Using them leisurely is a whole diff subject.
@Damienf77 I am certainly not saying that they can't be misused or abused and if you are using them without any purpose other than to have a good time you're probably not doing yourself any service.
@Damienf77 Most addictions I find are psychologically driven! The physical addiction is very short compared the the habit that is formed!
But I do agree that some people do discover things and it's not always the ideal route!
I just don't go around recommend drugs as the way to be with your guide or spiritual. In my experience it puts you further away and blocks your connection with guide.
@IndigoSpirit13 Anything habit-forming can become a problem, the thing is though... anything can become habit-forming. Saying that taking drugs is not a valid way to increase your spiritual connection when spirituality is such a subjective thing, is like saying baseball is not actually a sport because you believe football is more fun. It is perfectly valid for some people but it takes a certain type of person just as christianity, buddhism, and non-denominational forms of spirituality do.
@Damienf77 and you're right about it not always being the ideal route, but we're all really here just trying to find out what our own personal "ideal route" is. I certainly don't recommend it to kids or people that are mentally unstable as it can be a shock to the system, but for adults that are of sound mind and judgment it can be quite eye opening.
@Damienf77 Well like for some people they have to go through alot of trauma and they're meant to. It feels unfair and horrible, but it can have the effect of a lesson.
In saying that, you have to be aware of this and honest to yourself. So whether it is drugs or not you have to be aware.
I'm hesitant about drugs because I know it blocks from guide, and I also know many people who were normal than became diagnosed schizophrenic after using drugs.
@IndigoSpirit13 I just think that all people learn in different ways and experience in different ways. Some people enjoy skydiving and some enjoy playing chess. If you try to convince a skydiver that playing chess would be a better way to spend their time, they would probably be resistant to the idea. Sure there is risk involved, but it is right for them and for their personal journey.
@Damienf77 the thing about doing stuff like sky diving is that you know your not disrupting your brain by chemicals. By ingesting drugs you are immediately destroying parts of your body. So you may die by sky diving but you may not. But there is no doubt you are changing your body by taking drugs every single time you do it.
@IndigoSpirit13 Actually people skydive for the rush involved, which is a quick release of adrenaline into the bloodstream but i do see what you mean. As far as drugs destroying parts of your body, some drugs do, and some actually do not destroy your body. Take cannabis for example, it passes through the body harmlessly as your body has natural receptor sites designed for thc (the active ingredient in cannabis), causing no damage to your brain, liver or anything else.
@IndigoSpirit13 Well yes, but i was reasoning by analogy. I wasn't comparing baseball and lsd as a means of exploring spirituality but as a matter of choice. As far as the inducing natural processes of chemistry part, who is to say that unbalancing your chemistry is not a valid way to experience? All I am saying throughout all of this is that there is no "right way" to do anything as intangible as your own spiritual choices.
It would help if you had personal experience with this substance. Its impossible to get addicted as far as I am concerned. Your receptor cites will increase there ability to take up things like serotonin etc. It is far better than any pharmaceutical anti-depressant. Nor is it something you'd keep on doing as the experience and insights gained just overwhelms what we are used to on the phsyical plane.
Good video, I agree with you. You might want to boost the audio level where you're speaking. Sound on the intro and titles are fine, I had to turn volume up quite a bit to hear your voice.
you are a smart girl, saying no to drugs ♥
lightbodynadine2 3 months ago
"For one man to try and seek enlightenment from another man, is like a grain of sand trying to seek enlightenment from another grain of sand."
- Terence McKenna
mrstrings2006 11 months ago
Maybe you're just jealous someone got to god faster than you
Maybe you're right but maybe that's just your ego focusing on negative shit you're afraid of because you haven't tried it yourself
Maybe it's okay you haven't and somehow it's also okay that other people have.
*MAY-BE* you create reality with your mind either by force or permission, your choice
Or are you mad this is just a ride and I had more fun?
paradoxfox93 1 year ago
@paradoxfox93 Who's said I haven't tried drugs for spiritual purposes? I usually try to speak from experience and from experience it doesn't work. It's a false form and doesn't really enlighten you. You might go to another dimension but it's not a good return trip.
No madness here I love the fact that this is just a ride. Even if it gets intense sometimes
Cheers.
IndigoSpirit13 1 year ago
@IndigoSpirit13 I'm not so concerned with the pain of a return trip. I see a personal obligation to respect the drug used. To endure that suffering as part of process of creating an artificial imbalance in ones own mind and life because one isn't sensitive enough to life's natural vibrations. Experiences like these can tune one into such vibration if one does not get distracted by the spiritual medium and attempt to repeat its use to cover up the pain of a return trip.
paradoxfox93 1 year ago
@paradoxfox93 Yes and when recommending people to use drugs as spiritual journeys that's dangerous because alot of people want to escape this reality. That's not respect. I'm actually for the legalization of alot of drugs, but I wouldn't just tell anyone to go drop lsd for an spiritual experience. No not at all. I know people like I"ve said who broke out with serious mental illness after smoking pot. It was quite an extreme and damaging experience for them.
IndigoSpirit13 1 year ago
@IndigoSpirit13 Mushrooms are relatively safe. I mixed it with alcohol once and was very nauseous coming down, but that was about it.
mrstrings2006 11 months ago
hi beautiful
stephenraybellaustin 1 year ago
Psychadelics (dmt, lsd, etc.) are not physically addictive, meaning they won't produce physical withdrawal symptoms. They can be psychologically addictive though just as anything that takes you out of the mundane can be including reading books, watching tv, etc. Using drugs are just a different type of spiritual experience, a more visceral (and somethimes frightening) way of achieving the same insights gained over time. I think that all ways of trancending self are valid if used responsibly.
Damienf77 1 year ago
@Damienf77 Other types of drugs including cocaine, alcohol, meth carry with them the added risk of physical addiction and are probably not a good choice for spiritual growth however everything you do in life will bring you to new conclusions about yourself and the world around you and could be seen as spiritual in that way. It's all about personal choice in my opinion and what you're willing to risk to get where you want to be.
Damienf77 1 year ago
@Damienf77 everything is about choice whether it includes drugs or not.
The point with drugs is you become dependent on them to receive information, and in doing so you're lowering your vibrations.
IndigoSpirit13 1 year ago
@IndigoSpirit13 Actually you can take a drug one time and it sets you on a journey that may last the rest of your life without ever having to use them again. All it takes is one change of perspective to put your life on an entirely different course. I understand what you are saying though about becoming dependant on them. I wouldnt ever recommend using them constantly, day in/day out especially the addictive ones or as a pure escape from reality.
Damienf77 1 year ago
@Damienf77 Even vibration-lowering choices that seem horrible at the time can lead to something much greater just as the death of a biological life nourishes the land so something new can be reborn. It's all just a matter of perspective on the best way to get there, there is really no right answer imo.
Damienf77 1 year ago
@Damienf77 Well I suppose if deteriorating your brain is your perspective of "getting there". From what I've seen it helps to have it intact.
I mean there is enough chemicals in the world that prevent a person from being connected spiritually. it's not often I've encountered people who use drugs "leisurely" who are able to get out of that at all.
IndigoSpirit13 1 year ago
@IndigoSpirit13 I used every drug under the sun for years and I don't think it has deteriorated my brain. I no longer feel any desire to use them but I can understand why people do. I understand that you are coming from a place within your own experience and from your own perspective just as we all are, but there are many people who have used psychadelics and still have very sharp minds. Watch some videos of Terence Mckenna if you havent already. Using them leisurely is a whole diff subject.
Damienf77 1 year ago
@Damienf77 I am certainly not saying that they can't be misused or abused and if you are using them without any purpose other than to have a good time you're probably not doing yourself any service.
Damienf77 1 year ago
@Damienf77 Most addictions I find are psychologically driven! The physical addiction is very short compared the the habit that is formed!
But I do agree that some people do discover things and it's not always the ideal route!
I just don't go around recommend drugs as the way to be with your guide or spiritual. In my experience it puts you further away and blocks your connection with guide.
IndigoSpirit13 1 year ago
@IndigoSpirit13 Anything habit-forming can become a problem, the thing is though... anything can become habit-forming. Saying that taking drugs is not a valid way to increase your spiritual connection when spirituality is such a subjective thing, is like saying baseball is not actually a sport because you believe football is more fun. It is perfectly valid for some people but it takes a certain type of person just as christianity, buddhism, and non-denominational forms of spirituality do.
Damienf77 1 year ago
@Damienf77 and you're right about it not always being the ideal route, but we're all really here just trying to find out what our own personal "ideal route" is. I certainly don't recommend it to kids or people that are mentally unstable as it can be a shock to the system, but for adults that are of sound mind and judgment it can be quite eye opening.
Damienf77 1 year ago
@Damienf77 Well like for some people they have to go through alot of trauma and they're meant to. It feels unfair and horrible, but it can have the effect of a lesson.
In saying that, you have to be aware of this and honest to yourself. So whether it is drugs or not you have to be aware.
I'm hesitant about drugs because I know it blocks from guide, and I also know many people who were normal than became diagnosed schizophrenic after using drugs.
IndigoSpirit13 1 year ago
@IndigoSpirit13 I just think that all people learn in different ways and experience in different ways. Some people enjoy skydiving and some enjoy playing chess. If you try to convince a skydiver that playing chess would be a better way to spend their time, they would probably be resistant to the idea. Sure there is risk involved, but it is right for them and for their personal journey.
Damienf77 1 year ago
@Damienf77 the thing about doing stuff like sky diving is that you know your not disrupting your brain by chemicals. By ingesting drugs you are immediately destroying parts of your body. So you may die by sky diving but you may not. But there is no doubt you are changing your body by taking drugs every single time you do it.
IndigoSpirit13 1 year ago
@IndigoSpirit13 Actually people skydive for the rush involved, which is a quick release of adrenaline into the bloodstream but i do see what you mean. As far as drugs destroying parts of your body, some drugs do, and some actually do not destroy your body. Take cannabis for example, it passes through the body harmlessly as your body has natural receptor sites designed for thc (the active ingredient in cannabis), causing no damage to your brain, liver or anything else.
Damienf77 1 year ago
@Damienf77 It depends what effect the habit has. I bet you baseball has an entire different effect on your brain connection to spirit than LSD has.
It's probably because it involves naturally stimulating your bodies chemistry, rather than adding something to it to change your perception.
The habit of religion also can induce (depends) natural processes of chemistry, rather than adding stuff to distort and unbalance.
So if you're on drugs and a Christian WHOA !
IndigoSpirit13 1 year ago
@IndigoSpirit13 Well yes, but i was reasoning by analogy. I wasn't comparing baseball and lsd as a means of exploring spirituality but as a matter of choice. As far as the inducing natural processes of chemistry part, who is to say that unbalancing your chemistry is not a valid way to experience? All I am saying throughout all of this is that there is no "right way" to do anything as intangible as your own spiritual choices.
Damienf77 1 year ago
It would help if you had personal experience with this substance. Its impossible to get addicted as far as I am concerned. Your receptor cites will increase there ability to take up things like serotonin etc. It is far better than any pharmaceutical anti-depressant. Nor is it something you'd keep on doing as the experience and insights gained just overwhelms what we are used to on the phsyical plane.
poepflater 1 year ago
@poepflater I'd have to say I disagree. I guess I'll leave it at that.
IndigoSpirit13 1 year ago
@poepflater also "this substance" I'd have to say which substance are you referring to.
One can get addicted to any substance and over use it!
IndigoSpirit13 1 year ago
Good video, I agree with you. You might want to boost the audio level where you're speaking. Sound on the intro and titles are fine, I had to turn volume up quite a bit to hear your voice.
stereokid 1 year ago
Great video I FAV IT
Malandanti 1 year ago
@Malandanti :)
IndigoSpirit13 1 year ago
Anton Lavey "Indulgence not compulsion" addiction counts as compulsion.
greenghost2008 1 year ago
@greenghost2008 yeah but indulgences can lead to compulsions.
IndigoSpirit13 1 year ago