You can read the book HOMEOPATHY CURES ALLOPATHY DOCTORS. In the book an Allopathy doctor and surgeon details how he cured many Allopathy doctors with Homeopathy medicines.
@GlompasaurusRex It depends on what effect said ice has. Cooling your head? No. That would be just a matter of what happens whenever you put two things of different temperatures together.
I drank some distilled water produced by evaporation and condensation collection.
It is chemically pure water with no inclusions.
I am now overdosed on every poison in the world, but thankfully also immune to them. I am also bulletproof, fireproof, and I may be developing super speed and heat vision. My strength has increased a thousandfold. I no longer require sleep, and my hair occasionally stands up on its own and turns vibrant glowing blonde. I never get sick, hungry, and I don't breathe!
before you thumbs up threadysparrow s comment, take a look at the comments on his profile. Then truly think about what he said and how it affects everything
It's funny how homeopathy never addresses how much poo there has been in almost every single drop of water in the world. But no, it will magically forget that because... Uh... Convenience?
Maybe not as zippy as Mr. Boyle's remark, but you still nailed it, dude. Simple. Cut-to-the-chase.
Allow me, though, to expand upon " moron " as a person who, if they believe it works, is a fool, or, if they do realize its woo-quackery yet still peddle their potions anyway, then they are a fraud.
When it comes to homeopathetic, there is no middle ground : FOOL or FRAUD.
@JHandcock1111 This is the danger of working on suggestion... because peppermint oil is now commonly believed to be good for headaches but it works on power of suggestion as well. it has never been proven to be good for headaches. in order to be proven, supplements have to be put through clinical, rational, tests, like all drugs are put through. Why shouldn't Head On and other homeopathic remedies do just the same?
@mariokartin Actually if you're stressed out and have a headache because you can't calm down, and peppermint smells good so you relax- you're headache goes away- so it can work indirectly, but so could a beer :-D
If you have a headache for some other reason like caffeine withdrawl, then coffee could help- but you might get another tomorrow.
Not like you think. It burned my forehead, I forgot about the headache and focused on that. So..... What ever. lol I know it doesn't do shit with their shitty medicine.
The menthol in it cools the forehead and provides some relief but the active ingredient is pure diluted bullshit. Just use vicks vapor rub on your forehead.
How stupid is the idea of homeopathy. Anyone with the most basic understanding of how any cell in your body works will realize how stupid diluting drugs is. Drugs have to interact with receptors and most of the time compete with the actual ligand your body makes by itself. That's like having a million people racing for a million light switches to turn them on ant thinking that one guy is going to make the and expecting that your one guy who will turn the light off is going to have any effect.
I wasn't aware that his product had no actual pain-relieving medicine in it. What a fraud. People likely buy it thinking that it has ibuprofen, aspirin or some other recognized pain medication. It wouldn't add much to the cost of the product to include acetaminophen or some other medicine... and it would actually be useful. Better read your package's active ingredients carefully these days. "Completely safe"... well sure, so is clean water...useless product.
Yes the result. They establish what would a successful test would be. What is considered a success. A numeric value to whatever is tested. This is in order to avoid any ambiguity that could arise after the event, so that neither party can claim that it was successful when it wasn´t. No, I was not involved.
@ebrobaru Actually, I just read Vitoulkas's version of events. Randi is SUCH a fraud himself!
What happened was Randi's boys and Vitoulkas boys AGREED on the set up, Vitoulkas got it ready more than once, and Randi kept delaying, finally in the end getting sick(wonder why?). Even his boys were getting to dislike the whole 4 year affair! Then Randi got new guys, and tried to get Vitoulkas to start again. In between Randi kept making posts that it was Vitoulkas who was not accepting the agreement.
@Euclidianify Why would it be based. The protocol is just like any other around. Sign some forms, agree to some clauses, for example, that whatever the results, you agree that they will be used and made public. How can that be biased?
@ebrobaru But, you just said in your previous post "the procedure will be agreed upon" This is how Vithoulkas reached a dead end with Randi. Vithoulkas thought Randi's procedure was a bogus way to test the effect. And the design has to be appropriate to what you're testing for. And it can be inappropriate to the point of being made to manipulate the outcome. That's how.
@Euclidianify No, you are mistaken. The protocol is the same for everyone wanting to apply. Vithoulkas thought that he was too good to go through it just like everybody else. He wouldn´t agree to go through the protocol using dumb excuses, that he didn´t have time to do that. The OUTCOME of the test and teh way it is set up, is what they both agree on. A big difference.
@Euclidianify If you put a million dollars of your money at stake, you are at least, going to make the protocol. And yet the rules establish clearly that the procedure will be agreed upon by both parties beforehand. Simple excuses that frauds use in order to avoid being tested, because they know they will be exposed. You "heard" that there´s that prize to disprove homeopathy? By simple logic, you can´t disprove anything, only prove it. Then again, you heard it where? from whom?
Now the rubbing on the forehead is kind of gimmicky, but it can work that way. Remedies don't have to be ingested. They just need to come in contact with a person to have an effect. It's an energetic effect, not biochemical. Do homeopaths claim they know how this energy works? No. There is some interesting research happening that is maybe starting to. But homeopaths just need the principle of the "law of similars" to work with in order to use homeopathy.
@Euclidianify It´s not biochemical? That´s the understatement of the year. So, homeopaths don´t know how it works? Ok, I´m with you there. The "prominent" homeopath you refer to, wouldn´t want to go through the established protocol for the challenge, just like anybody else. In essence, it was he who chickened out.
Kali bich is one remedy in homeopathy that might help sinus headaches. But its one of possibly many many remedies. Remedies are prescribed based on a person's unique expression of symptoms. But because the totality of symptoms of a sinus headache is fairly common among many, which matches kali bich, this remedy can work in many cases, but not in all. And it'll have a temporary effect because its more condition-oriented, rather than person-oriented as it needs to be for a permanent effect.
First of all, its not the idea of homeopathy is not to "purposely dilute substances"
The idea is to cure the sick, which it does.
Secondly, anyone who thinks they're being duped need not worry; its a matter of understanding and having experience with homeopathy, which James Randi will obviously never provide.
Thirdly, Randi's offer for a million dollars is actually the biggest scam here as one prominent homeopath found out in having to basically have Randi set the research up for his "proof"
A recent study in the International Journal of Oncology demonstrated that four ultra-diluted homeopathic medicines exerted preferential cytotoxic effects against two breast cancer cell lines
Frenkel M et al. (2010): Cytotoxic effects of ultra-diluted remedies on breast cancer cells. International Journal of Oncology, 36: 395-403.
Ruta 6 selectively induces cell death in brain cancer cells but proliferation in normal peripheral blood lymphocytes: A novel treatment for human brain cancer. International Journal of Oncology, 2003;23(4):975-982
@mohanaturo Even if (and I do mean "if" since this study only involved 15 patients, hardly conclusive) a beneficial ingredient was discovered in a homeopathic remedy, that does little to support homeopathy as a whole. The idea that less of something, to the point where no active ingredient whatsoever is in a substance, is somehow more powerful, is ridiculous. And most homeopathic remedies have no active ingredient at all.
Homeopathy had better success with pneumonia in 1928 than conventional doctors do today.
The reported mortality rate for community-acquired pneumonia is on average 12 percent , and for hospital-acquired pneumonia is 50 to 70 percent. A survey conducted in 1928 among homeopathic physicians reports a death rate of 2.8 percent among 11,526 patients with pneumonia who were treated with pure homeopathy.
At least they never came out with a hemorrhoid version..I'd hate to think of it's name...or the commercial for that matter...It's a good thing we have skeptics out there with a little influence to go after these things before they get out of hand.
That head-on contains potassium dichoromate (also known as potassium bichromate) which contains carcinogenic hexavalent chromium. But it's probably so dilute not to pose any risk.
The sad thing is that the cleverest fakers can pooh-pooh the JREF challenge, because they don't need the Randi $million. They're already rakin' it in from the credulous masses.
@klarth1234 - whoa.. take a step back man, listen to yourself!! Its not the single most retarded thing, whats wrong with you? Its more like... the 3rd or 4th most retarded thing. What about religion? and the supernatural? haha, i would say organized religion would take the crown... with unorganized belief in the supernatural, god, and the afterlife close behind in 2nd place
Drug companies do not want homeopathy or anything else that CANNOT be patented. They limit themselves solely to substances they can legally protect and vilify anything else that they consider their competition. The Lancet meta-analysis of 110 studies was not done by the homeopathic industry or associations but most likely by their competition, although Lancet refuses to disclose who funded it. That's like asking GM to evaluate Ford vehicles.
@ebrobaru My fear is that Pharma power and wealth will lobby successfully to outlaw the only thing that seems to work for me. This is a potential limitation on my freedom. I would never suggest that you not take drugs even if you only thought they worked. I'm hoping you would afford me the same choice, but in any case that you would at least support me against encroachments on my freedoms by the powerful, that is, assuming you understand that freedom means to allow for ideas you don't accept.
@indoctus41 Oh don´t worry. "BIg Pharma" is not looking to do that. The business is so big, there is no need to do that. I think that you are looking at this from the wrong angle. It should be the FDA that you should worry about in any case, but it seems unlikely that they will do anything about it. They haven´t in the last 100 years, so there´s no reason to start now.
RANDI/JREF to put homeopathy to a real test, not one staged by TV producers in the pay of pharmaceutical sponsors, or one where he's doing slight of hand tricks with the key to the double blind, but a real test, overseen by Nobel laureates&top material scientists, Roy, Tiller, Josephson, Montagnier, Rao, Sukul et al, real scietnists.
" Given the research breakthroughs in the biological and clinical effects of nanopharmacology, it is a certainty that homeopathy has an evolving scientific foundation in the Integrative Medicine of the future."
Kenneth R. Pelletier, PhD, MD
Clinical Professor of Medicine, University of Arizona;
Former Clinical Professor of Medicine, Stanford University School of Medicine;
Director of the Corporate Health Improvement Program
The million dollar is still there? then homeopathetic is bullshit. What could be better than that to homeopaths, besides the million. Imagine the strengh to the product and don't mention the publicity.
No guys... sorry to upset you, there is nothing you can say that stand against reason
Millions of people are dying every year all over the world because of antibiotic resistant infections.( Misuse of antibiotics against non bacterial diseases cause antibiotic resistant infections.) So unite together to fight out this menace instead of dump spectator
@cary123 "Linezolid is effective .....The most common adverse effects include diarrhea, nausea, and headache; less common side effects include hypertension, lactic acidosis, and elevated liver enzymes. Among the most severe adverse effects, seen with prolonged courses of therapy, include irreversible peripheral neuropathy, optic neuropathy, and reversible myelosuppression."
Julie Gorchynski, MD, MSc, Department of Emergency Medicine, CHRISTUS Spohn Memorial. Hospital,
Let us be practical than fighting each other. If any body wants to find the effectivenes of Homeopathy he may do the following experiment .Take a dose of 4-6 globules of NUX VOMICA 30 four times a day for 14 days.Once you develop any signs/symptoms, administration of drug is to stop immediately. The symtoms will disappear its own with in period of 7 days . During the course of proving, use of any other medications or stimulants is restricted.
@newrosenewman hey, why don't you do this test instead: drink vodka till' you're drunk. The stop drinking. After about 1 day, give or take 12 hours, you're drunk no more. Hangover may occur, but will subside after a day or two. It's an easier test, any most of us would have done it at least once in our life.
What does that prove? Alcohol make you drunk.. Your body metabolize alcohol, when BAC is low enough, you're not drunk. Homeopathy at work? Fuck off.
Charles Darwin could not have written "Origin of Species" without the homeopathic treatment that he received from Dr. Gully (based on Darwin's own letters!).
Many of America's literary greats advocated for and often wrote about homeopathy, including Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Louisa May Alcott, Nathaniel Hawthorne, and Mark Twain... and European greats such as Goethe, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Lord Alfred Tennyson, and George Bernard Shaw.
-- Numerous sports greats have bragged about their use of homeopathic medicines including David Beckham, Martina Navratilova, Boris Becker, and many more.
At least eleven American Presidents used homeopathic medicines or sponsored legislation to allow homeopathic practice (Lincoln, Tyler, Hayes, Garfield, Arthur, Harrison, McKinley, Coolidge, Harding, Hoover, & Clinton)...and two British Prime Ministers (Disraeli and Tony Blair).
-- Many clergy and spiritual leaders have been homeopathy's patients and advocates, including SEVEN Popes (!) and numerous rabbis, Muslim clerics, and Eastern spiritual leaders.
@newrosenewman American Presidents allowed homeopathy because of the business end of it. They couldn´t care less if it worked or not. They all have personal astrologers too. Spiritual leaders? Oh you mean the people that most advocate science? Please, get real.
@ebrobaru Whoever supports Homeopathy whether they are the Presidents of America, dedicated politicians, famous physicians renowned scientists, reputed sports men or women, etc.... are just for business!? But supporters of Modern Medicine are the only spokesmen for science!? The science is for them by them and of them!?
@newrosenewman No, modern science and medicine in particular are also very big businesses in themselves. The thing is that while medicine is still a business, it works.
@ebrobaru And how can you be so sure that homeopathy doesn't? Have you tried going to a homeopath for any health problem? If you haven't, you are just a person with whole lot of prejudice... And that wasn't good last time I checked.
@nmkostic Because so called remedies are fabricated by each homeopath at his free will, therefore you can´t replicate them, much less in a massive scale.
No, I have never gone to a homeopath because I know it´s a waste of time and money. Whenever I have a health problem, my intention is to get it fixed quickly by sound medicine. Not by some "ethereal" remedy.
@ebrobaru No, you DON'T know! You assume. Until you check it out open-minded, you are one more ignorant pseudo-intellectual talking about things far beyond his knowledge or experience.
Numerous leading conventional physicians and scientists who have had extremely positive things to say about homeopathy include Sir William Osler (the "father of modern medicine"), Emil Adolph von Behring, MD (the "father of immunology"), Charles Frederick Menninger, MD (founder of the Menninger Clinic), August Bier, MD (the "father of spinal anesthesia"), C. Everett Koop, M.D. (former Surgeon General, U.S.), Brian Josephson, PhD. (Nobel Laureate & Cambridge professor).
While going through the comments in length, it is evident that doctors and supporters of MODERN MEDICINE are in the grip of terrible insecurity. It is mere common sense that no confident intellectual society would ever attack somebody quite inferior to them. Logically one could arrive at a conclusion that HOMEOPATHY’S growing popularity is not just an accident.
@utuhari Homeopathy is growing in acceptance because people unfortunately, are more gullible than before, and because the homeopathic industry spends tons of money in advertising.
@ebrobaru Thank you for accepting Homeopathy’s enviable world wide popularity.
With due respect, I disagree with your reasons for its popularity. It is due to its
unchangeable and true principles based on natural laws. Many of the best contributors and admirers of Homeopathy were once worst critics from modern medicine
@ebrobaru On examining the history of development of Modern Medicine many of its highly appreciated theories and medicine are just rubbish in the course of time .The true science would remain fixed without budging to the onslaught of time. The hypothecation about micro organism might be foolish or unscientific before the invention of microscope. So any intelligent progressive society cannot leave the science to the whims and fancies of handful minorities who are deaf and dump to the TRUTH
@ebrobaru Conspiracy against anything is always short living. However the truth is eternal. Interestingly, Homeopathy and all its medicines could survive two hundred plus years with ever increasing popularity. It is just like the SUN which gives heat and light even to its severe critics.
@utuhari 200 hundred years. Wow! Of course real medicine has been with us for millenia. But that´s another topic. Too bad that your eternal truth can only be sustained by people that only want to believe fairy tales and whenever confronted with hard science, they just dwindle.
@ebrobaru It is said that all the drugs of modern medicine are evidence based, undergone double blind experiments and passed the stringent quality controls of HARD SCIENCE. Why are many of them ending up prematurely in ‘cemeteries’ even after all these double strong scientific measures? What is there to be said on this tragic fate of the drugs by the scientists of pro modern medicine and its vociferous dogmatic supporters, intellectuals, and lectures?
@ebrobaru Homeopathic Medicines, on the other hand are increasing in number but even a single medicine is not found useless or worthless at any point of time. However the present day science at its infancy failed to reason out many of the revolutionary inventions of Homeopathy. In fact, it remains in the hearts of millions for mitigating their maladies incurable by Modern Medicine.
@utuhari Homeopathic "medicines" never end up on a cemetery because they can never be tested to be wrong. Simple as that. Because there are never subject to tests, real tests. On the other hand, "normal" medicines are backed up by science. And science, unlike homeopathy, has no problem to admit when it is wrong and it is not afraid to correct itself. When was the last time homeopathy did that?
@ebrobaru Complete BULLSHIT. The Lancet report accepted as legitimate 110 studies on homeopathy where no bias was detected. However your grammar and spelling was very good. Nice job.
@ebrobaru I'm certainly not a pro homeopathic medicineman but to say that all medicines are so well tested as a form of science is in a lot of cases discovered because of side-effects.
Another really big part is that the 'real' medical stuff is so highly profitable that I don't have to tell anyone what will happen to quality when so much money is involved.
Another Hurray for Randy James though... that man sets people to think for themselves.
@ItsMeTheBadGuy You are right. But the difference is that medicines can be recalled when something wrong is found with them, unlike homeopathy. Of course it is a big business, and many temptations must arise. But still, it´s the only thing we have that has been reliable in tests.
@ebrobaru That much is true. The problem is that they know it and we are but helpless test subjects. Yet, this may benefit future generations but it brings little comfort if it happens close to you or yourself.
Glad with the Internet opening eyes but also the bad guys put a lot of misinformation on the Net. It's some puzzling to gather enough information on several opinions and experienced people.
@MaitreyaRocket If you take a minute to read my post you see that I posted that science corrects itself, not "big pharma". 1000s have died? Please show me of a single case where 1000s have died.
@ebrobaru - You asked a question about recalls. I answered it. You didn't like it when your question backfired on you. So, now you're grasping at straws trying to get the upper hand . It's just not going to happen. Stop. How about 1000s of cases where a few people died ??? Science based meds are superior, fair enough. Nevertheless; their scams always cost more & are far more harmful .
@MaitreyaRocket No, I explained that your question was misleading. You didn´t like the answer, so that´s your problem. Again, what case of 1000s of cases of deaths are you talking about? Asking for a specific example is hardly grasping at straws. Science meds are not superior, they just work. The others, well, don´t.
@ebrobaru - My question mislead who to think what ? Just as the reply you just gave is simply scambling to cover your position of conventional med being the end all solution. It's not . Unlike the homeo scam, the conventional scam has a huge body count . They just work ? Then by grace the others don't ... < cont. <
@MaitreyaRocket - In the fully referenced work , " Death by Medicine" Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy Smith, PhD make the point that that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. 783,936 per year in 2001 . That tops heart disease ... And yes , hoping against hope one can't Google an example for you is grasping at straws.
@MaitreyaRocket Yeah, I know that many deaths have come because of that, but I though that you were referring to a single case. Anyway, they are still our best bet, unless you believe this nonsense of homeopathy
@MaitreyaRocket - LOL! 783,936, that's a pretty big number you're throwing out there.
How many of those people died _from_ the medication as opposed to _while_ taking medication (it's an important difference)? How does that compare to the number of people medicine has saved? How does that compare to the number of people who died in the US because they didn't take medicine? How do the percentages between those who died from medication compare to those who died from _not_ taking medication?
@wstevenschneider - If you're interested, look them up & let me know ... But, a word of caution there are no #s for the absurd things you asked about , simply because there would be no way of knowing or conducting such a study . Anyway, let me know how that works out for you , kid ...
@MaitreyaRocket - Translation: You've got nothing. It's just an impressive sounding number without context or meaning.
Sadly, "Death by Medicine" doesn't itself appear in the peer-review literature. The authors' seem to have done a fine job cherry-picking for what best suits them.
Please post your verifiable, peer-reviewed evidence for alternative medicine.
@wstevenschneider - It's not my # ... I'm glad you're impressed with it though .For the actual claim, I felt it was on the low side. It seems to have had the desired effect . I don't have any evidence for alternitive meds. Why would you ask me for evidence for alt meds ? The proponents of that shit are either deeply deluded or charlatans. People that fall for that shit are morons. I guess your "translation" is correct. I don't have any data that can't be collected. I am glad you liked the # :-)
@MaitreyaRocket - I see, you're using an argument favored by many of the alternative medicine proponents, but you're not an alternative medicine proponent. If you're not then I apologize for making that assumption.
Regardless, big numbers shouldn't be used out of context and if you don't know the context you shouldn't be throwing it around. The authors' of "Death by Medicine" obviously aren't honest about how they get that number and that makes that article suspect.
@wstevenschneider Regardless of all your questions, prescription medication was the number one killer of people last year, beat cancer, accidents, smoking, non prescrip drugs, etc. Just sayin.
@wstevenschneider - Nah, I don't want to bother looking it up. However, as you are skeptical(and, I am therefore assuming, curious) you go ahead and look it up. I always encourage original research rather than just spoon feeding one information. Make sure you look up both sides of the story now. ;)
@JHandcock1111 - You made the claim, the onus is on you to provide the evidence to support it. To ask me to provide the evidence that you need is just you being lazy.
@JHandcock1111 LOL where the hell did you hear that prescription drugs was the number one killer?
Based off data I've seen, It accounts for a place AFTER/UNDER a combination of ALL types of accidents, which accounts for only 5% of deaths.
Also just because real medication has a chance to kill some people, doesn't make it an argument for using something else which doesn't do anything at all.
Do you drive a car? that is dangerous! — you should only walk or maybe use the subway or bus systems.
Actually wouldn't a more appropriate method be. "sit there you'll get there faster and you're less likely to die from traveling" according to homeopathy?
what the heck are you talking about??? that's ridiculous. i'm sure prescription medication did kill people but not to the near extent that you say. The thing is, anything that is effective can be dangerous. So if homeopathy was actually effective (which it isn't) it would also likely result in deaths if overused.
That is absolute bullshit. First of all, it is not the nr. 1 killer. It doesnt beat things such as heart and vascular diseases, or cancer. It does rank up somewhat high in the US (about 1-2% of all deaths). This is however a failure of the doctors prescribing the medicine, rather than the medicine itself. The medicine are effective and safe, in the right situation. It's the doctors who should be held to higher standards.
@MaitreyaRocket - LOL! 783,936, that's a pretty big number you're throwing out there.
How many of those people died _from_ the medication as opposed to _while_ taking medication (it's an important difference)? How does that compare to the number of people medicine has saved? How does that compare to the number of people who died in the US because they didn't take medicine? How do the percentages between those who died from medication compare to those who died from _not_ taking medication?
@utuhari - if the truth is eternal, why has there not been any development of the theory of its mechanism in the last 200 years, and why have all meta analysis shown little or no efficacy beyond the results expected by chance?
if it is true, then why doesn't it want people to know about how 'amazing' it is.
@ebrobaru No it's not a conspiracy. But if you don't accept that there our those with a lot of power and wealth that are in control of the medical industry, then you live in FantasyLand. FACT: Conventional medicine only has to be slightly better than a placebo. That means if 1% (1 out of 100 people) receive benefit from a drug it meets the efficacy standard for approval. It also means that 99 people risk side effects with no advantage from the drug. Who made those rules????
@indoctus41 Oh yeah, I admit that there are people with a lot of money in this industry. Yes, money has to be made. The difference here is that medicine actually do work. Homeopathy also is a multimillion dollar industry worldwide. Unless all homeopaths work for free. The thing is that it is a very expensive placebo.
110 legitimate studies? Interesting. On what issue was that published?
@ebrobaru Actually once you acquire a homeopathic remedy you can make more from the same solution. My 6 week hayfever season is handled with a $15 outlay. Now what's interesting about your comments is that you say things such as "it's an expensive placebo", and " (conventional) medicine actually works". Then you ask for the study. Interesting positioning. The Lancet : Volume 366, Number 9487, 27 August 2005
@indoctus41 Thanks for pointing out the study you mention. Not many homeopathy supporters can support their claims. I´ll give you that. However I think that you are interpreting the results of said study in a different way. Yes, there were 110 homeopathy trials tested. But that doesn´t mean that they were proven correct. That´s a big difference. Anyway, one just needs to take a look at the conclusion of said study .
@ebrobaru I don't agree with you that one should only look at the conclusion. There are serious discrepancies in procedure throughout the study which compromise any conclusion that might be drawn.
@indoctus41 You are the one that pointed to that article, but yet you don´t agree with it. You should make up your mind.
Oh by all means I agree with you. The Pharmaceutical companies have a huge business. A big one. Now if they did see homeopathy as competition, they would simply take over it as they do with other competing companies. They don´t because they no it´s no competition, not only for the numbers, but because they know that it just doesn´t work.
@ebrobaru I don't think this is true. I don't believe there are smarmy men in dark rooms conjuring up evil plans to screw everyone. However there is a pharmaceutical culture that is powerful and protects itself against competition. There is no rule in free market economies that prohibits companies from using every legal means, including heavy lobbying of gov't bodies, to carve out economic hegemony for itself.
@ebrobaru the argument that you cannot trust a billion dollar industry which as an invested interrest in people being sick and on drugs for prolonged periods/indefinately, is a fair one. Obviously, it is probably true too understanding greed and money. So...why does it not apply to homeopathy in the minds of these muppets? It is a billion dollar industry, check. It has an interrest in keeping people byuing their stuff rather than curing disease, check. But somehow their greed doesnt stink or?
@ebrobaru To add. If these companies up there on the pedistal really were out to better the world for all man kind, the price tags certainly seems suspicious given that their "medicine" cost next to nothing to produce and research. There atleast the conventional medicine giants can say honestly that they spend billions on research and millions on production due to the cost of special/rare chemicals and solvents they often have to use in large amounts.
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IAMELIPHAS 2 days ago
Ive never found it work for me at all. wasted my money and had to get meds from my doctor lol. thanks for sharing
rosary0528 1 month ago
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You can read the book HOMEOPATHY CURES ALLOPATHY DOCTORS. In the book an Allopathy doctor and surgeon details how he cured many Allopathy doctors with Homeopathy medicines.
mohanaturo 2 months ago
HEADCRAB, APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD
IAMELIPHAS 2 months ago
@IAMELIPHAS Your comment=win.
hyperdude144 3 days ago
HOMEOPATHY WORKS YOU LITTLE BITCHEZZ FUCK YOU FUCK YOU YOU FUCKIN ATHEISTS!!!!! HOMEOPATHY HAS BEEN PROVEN I DOUBLE-BLIND STUDY A MILLION TIMES!!!!!!
diekontrolleure 3 months ago
@diekontrolleure wow, what a strong argument!!!! moron
ebrobaru 2 months ago
@ebrobaru thanks
diekontrolleure 2 months ago
@diekontrolleure well now im convinced!
threadysparrow 2 months ago
@threadysparrow im glad you opened up to the truth
diekontrolleure 2 months ago
When i used to get migraines really bad i tried head on and it gave me this cooling sensation to my forehead and it kinda made me feel better
GlompasaurusRex 3 months ago
@GlompasaurusRex Placebo effect, son.
SexOverThePhone1 2 months ago
@SexOverThePhone1 Would you consider putting ice on your head the placebo effect?
GlompasaurusRex 2 months ago
@GlompasaurusRex It depends on what effect said ice has. Cooling your head? No. That would be just a matter of what happens whenever you put two things of different temperatures together.
SexOverThePhone1 2 months ago
I drank some distilled water produced by evaporation and condensation collection.
It is chemically pure water with no inclusions.
I am now overdosed on every poison in the world, but thankfully also immune to them. I am also bulletproof, fireproof, and I may be developing super speed and heat vision. My strength has increased a thousandfold. I no longer require sleep, and my hair occasionally stands up on its own and turns vibrant glowing blonde. I never get sick, hungry, and I don't breathe!
rkyeun 4 months ago 4
@lordnimr0d
Or how much dinosaur jizz our drinking water used to be.
ThatMan0verThere 5 months ago
before you thumbs up threadysparrow s comment, take a look at the comments on his profile. Then truly think about what he said and how it affects everything
cyborg578 5 months ago
"sell it and they will come"
nothing more to say.
sayroni 6 months ago
It's funny how homeopathy never addresses how much poo there has been in almost every single drop of water in the world. But no, it will magically forget that because... Uh... Convenience?
ThatMan0verThere 7 months ago
anyone who believes in homeopathy is a fucking moron
threadysparrow 7 months ago 32
@threadysparrow
Why would people believe homeopathy would work in the first place, it makes no sense ._.
xxSpearMonkeyxx 3 months ago
@threadysparrow
Hey, that works, too.
Maybe not as zippy as Mr. Boyle's remark, but you still nailed it, dude. Simple. Cut-to-the-chase.
Allow me, though, to expand upon " moron " as a person who, if they believe it works, is a fool, or, if they do realize its woo-quackery yet still peddle their potions anyway, then they are a fraud.
When it comes to homeopathetic, there is no middle ground : FOOL or FRAUD.
Pick ONE, people . . . .
ReasonNaturally 2 months ago
''so, they buried Osama Bin Laden at sea. if there's any truth to homeopathy then the whole ocean is pure evil''
-Frankie Boyle
al3699 8 months ago 54
@al3699 lol
threadysparrow 7 months ago
@al3699
Oh, man, that is a marvelous rejoinder !
I'm actually envious that I didn't think of it.
If you don't mind, I'm going to use this, providing Mr. Boyle with credit, of course !
ReasonNaturally 2 months ago
Head On smells yucky and it leaves a weird oily fee on your forehead.
szqsk8 9 months ago
I tried Head On and it didn't help my headache. Eating a biscuit will usually take my headache away, so maybe everyone should try it.
psychicviking 9 months ago
"It works on suggestion only...." ..... and it has peppermint oil in it, which is proven to help with headaches. Just sayin.
JHandcock1111 9 months ago
@JHandcock1111 This is the danger of working on suggestion... because peppermint oil is now commonly believed to be good for headaches but it works on power of suggestion as well. it has never been proven to be good for headaches. in order to be proven, supplements have to be put through clinical, rational, tests, like all drugs are put through. Why shouldn't Head On and other homeopathic remedies do just the same?
mariokartin 8 months ago
@mariokartin Actually if you're stressed out and have a headache because you can't calm down, and peppermint smells good so you relax- you're headache goes away- so it can work indirectly, but so could a beer :-D
If you have a headache for some other reason like caffeine withdrawl, then coffee could help- but you might get another tomorrow.
eldongb1 8 months ago
@monkeyroadkill7 I'm pretty sure he said milliliter.
azim4979 9 months ago
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"That's like putting one millimeter of an ingredient into enough water..."
"...putting one millimeter of an ingredient...."
"...one millimeter of an..."
"...MILLIMETER..."
monkeyroadkill7 10 months ago
@monkeyroadkill7 Jesus christ dude just imagine he said millimeter cubed
realmrlolz 9 months ago
Stacy Johnson??? He's got the girliest name ever lol.
natureandchaos 10 months ago
Homoeopathic side stepping bull shit, a bit like scientology.
Dolphidood 10 months ago
HeadOn: chapstick for your brain.
mooseasaurusrex 10 months ago
I used it, it "worked".
Not like you think. It burned my forehead, I forgot about the headache and focused on that. So..... What ever. lol I know it doesn't do shit with their shitty medicine.
BillOralRushRimjob 10 months ago 2
Why would they (head on) want a lousey 1 million dollars when they probably make 100 times that selling this product to the gullible?
1954murphy 11 months ago
So ... if they don't wanna 1million, why don't they stop selling it?
IkaroAbdiel 11 months ago
I rubbed my head with my own shit and it made my headache go away.
Huapua 11 months ago
@Huapua so be glad.
lakota66 10 months ago
The menthol in it cools the forehead and provides some relief but the active ingredient is pure diluted bullshit. Just use vicks vapor rub on your forehead.
DontClickOnMyIcon 11 months ago
James Randi is looking old. He needs to find the fountain of youth, put one drop in the ocean (shake earth in 3 dimensions) and go for a swim.
lahddie 11 months ago
How stupid is the idea of homeopathy. Anyone with the most basic understanding of how any cell in your body works will realize how stupid diluting drugs is. Drugs have to interact with receptors and most of the time compete with the actual ligand your body makes by itself. That's like having a million people racing for a million light switches to turn them on ant thinking that one guy is going to make the and expecting that your one guy who will turn the light off is going to have any effect.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 11 months ago
I wasn't aware that his product had no actual pain-relieving medicine in it. What a fraud. People likely buy it thinking that it has ibuprofen, aspirin or some other recognized pain medication. It wouldn't add much to the cost of the product to include acetaminophen or some other medicine... and it would actually be useful. Better read your package's active ingredients carefully these days. "Completely safe"... well sure, so is clean water...useless product.
orangemod 11 months ago
Lol that guys name is stacy. lol.
bigpoppa1234 1 year ago
Yes the result. They establish what would a successful test would be. What is considered a success. A numeric value to whatever is tested. This is in order to avoid any ambiguity that could arise after the event, so that neither party can claim that it was successful when it wasn´t. No, I was not involved.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru Actually, I just read Vitoulkas's version of events. Randi is SUCH a fraud himself!
What happened was Randi's boys and Vitoulkas boys AGREED on the set up, Vitoulkas got it ready more than once, and Randi kept delaying, finally in the end getting sick(wonder why?). Even his boys were getting to dislike the whole 4 year affair! Then Randi got new guys, and tried to get Vitoulkas to start again. In between Randi kept making posts that it was Vitoulkas who was not accepting the agreement.
Euclidianify 1 year ago
@Euclidianify Ok then, you got Vitoulkas side of the story. Why he didn´t go ahead with the New" guys. Wouldn´t you think that it was worth the wait?
ebrobaru 1 year ago
Well how can one agree on the protocol if they see that its biased?
Euclidianify 1 year ago
@Euclidianify Why would it be based. The protocol is just like any other around. Sign some forms, agree to some clauses, for example, that whatever the results, you agree that they will be used and made public. How can that be biased?
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru But, you just said in your previous post "the procedure will be agreed upon" This is how Vithoulkas reached a dead end with Randi. Vithoulkas thought Randi's procedure was a bogus way to test the effect. And the design has to be appropriate to what you're testing for. And it can be inappropriate to the point of being made to manipulate the outcome. That's how.
Euclidianify 1 year ago
@Euclidianify No, you are mistaken. The protocol is the same for everyone wanting to apply. Vithoulkas thought that he was too good to go through it just like everybody else. He wouldn´t agree to go through the protocol using dumb excuses, that he didn´t have time to do that. The OUTCOME of the test and teh way it is set up, is what they both agree on. A big difference.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru The outcome? Like the result? Or reporting the result? We're you involved?
Euclidianify 1 year ago
Ya, the "established protocol": guaranteed to obstruct any autonomy of experimental design. I wonder why??
Could it be that he wants to control every outcome to his liking?
no doubt.
Its like when Benveniste's lab was ransacked by quackbusters bent on not replicating his results. Same thing.
Conditions, conditions. Bias, bias, bad science. Should be in Goldacre's book
I also heard that there was a million dollars for any skeptic to disprove homeopathy, and that hasn't been fulfilled neither.
Euclidianify 1 year ago
@Euclidianify If you put a million dollars of your money at stake, you are at least, going to make the protocol. And yet the rules establish clearly that the procedure will be agreed upon by both parties beforehand. Simple excuses that frauds use in order to avoid being tested, because they know they will be exposed. You "heard" that there´s that prize to disprove homeopathy? By simple logic, you can´t disprove anything, only prove it. Then again, you heard it where? from whom?
ebrobaru 1 year ago
Now the rubbing on the forehead is kind of gimmicky, but it can work that way. Remedies don't have to be ingested. They just need to come in contact with a person to have an effect. It's an energetic effect, not biochemical. Do homeopaths claim they know how this energy works? No. There is some interesting research happening that is maybe starting to. But homeopaths just need the principle of the "law of similars" to work with in order to use homeopathy.
Euclidianify 1 year ago
@Euclidianify It´s not biochemical? That´s the understatement of the year. So, homeopaths don´t know how it works? Ok, I´m with you there. The "prominent" homeopath you refer to, wouldn´t want to go through the established protocol for the challenge, just like anybody else. In essence, it was he who chickened out.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
Kali bich is one remedy in homeopathy that might help sinus headaches. But its one of possibly many many remedies. Remedies are prescribed based on a person's unique expression of symptoms. But because the totality of symptoms of a sinus headache is fairly common among many, which matches kali bich, this remedy can work in many cases, but not in all. And it'll have a temporary effect because its more condition-oriented, rather than person-oriented as it needs to be for a permanent effect.
Euclidianify 1 year ago
First of all, its not the idea of homeopathy is not to "purposely dilute substances"
The idea is to cure the sick, which it does.
Secondly, anyone who thinks they're being duped need not worry; its a matter of understanding and having experience with homeopathy, which James Randi will obviously never provide.
Thirdly, Randi's offer for a million dollars is actually the biggest scam here as one prominent homeopath found out in having to basically have Randi set the research up for his "proof"
Euclidianify 1 year ago
I never liked Head-On anyway...their commercials fucking sucked!!!
Marakulous43 1 year ago
Stacy?
ivanmikhailov 1 year ago
I don't think the FTC should exist, and their failure to expose this fraud is a great example.
YesWeCantaloupe 1 year ago
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Feb 13, 2010 HOMEOPATHY CURES BREAST CANCER
A recent study in the International Journal of Oncology demonstrated that four ultra-diluted homeopathic medicines exerted preferential cytotoxic effects against two breast cancer cell lines
Frenkel M et al. (2010): Cytotoxic effects of ultra-diluted remedies on breast cancer cells. International Journal of Oncology, 36: 395-403.
mohanaturo 1 year ago
Homeopathy remedy Ruta 6 can treat brain tumors:
Ruta 6 selectively induces cell death in brain cancer cells but proliferation in normal peripheral blood lymphocytes: A novel treatment for human brain cancer. International Journal of Oncology, 2003;23(4):975-982
mohanaturo 1 year ago
@mohanaturo Even if (and I do mean "if" since this study only involved 15 patients, hardly conclusive) a beneficial ingredient was discovered in a homeopathic remedy, that does little to support homeopathy as a whole. The idea that less of something, to the point where no active ingredient whatsoever is in a substance, is somehow more powerful, is ridiculous. And most homeopathic remedies have no active ingredient at all.
paradigm71 1 year ago
God I feel stupid. I though HEAD ON had medicine in it...lol
kmcl11 1 year ago
Homeopathy had better success with pneumonia in 1928 than conventional doctors do today.
The reported mortality rate for community-acquired pneumonia is on average 12 percent , and for hospital-acquired pneumonia is 50 to 70 percent. A survey conducted in 1928 among homeopathic physicians reports a death rate of 2.8 percent among 11,526 patients with pneumonia who were treated with pure homeopathy.
BriscoCountyJr23 1 year ago
I should start a company like this. the cost would be basically nothing and the demand would be there because of idiots. BRILLIANT!!!
tatripp 1 year ago
At least they never came out with a hemorrhoid version..I'd hate to think of it's name...or the commercial for that matter...It's a good thing we have skeptics out there with a little influence to go after these things before they get out of hand.
possumverde 1 year ago
That head-on contains potassium dichoromate (also known as potassium bichromate) which contains carcinogenic hexavalent chromium. But it's probably so dilute not to pose any risk.
Head On is bullshit.
mewrox99 1 year ago
wow i didnt know head-on was a homeopathic "medicine" maybe that's why you dont see their commercials any more "head-on: apply directly to the head"
tuseroni 1 year ago 2
The sad thing is that the cleverest fakers can pooh-pooh the JREF challenge, because they don't need the Randi $million. They're already rakin' it in from the credulous masses.
joeypolanski 1 year ago
Homeopathy is easily the single most retarded thing that has ever existed.
klarth1234 1 year ago 2
@klarth1234 - whoa.. take a step back man, listen to yourself!! Its not the single most retarded thing, whats wrong with you? Its more like... the 3rd or 4th most retarded thing. What about religion? and the supernatural? haha, i would say organized religion would take the crown... with unorganized belief in the supernatural, god, and the afterlife close behind in 2nd place
AlexDeLarqe 1 year ago
Drug companies do not want homeopathy or anything else that CANNOT be patented. They limit themselves solely to substances they can legally protect and vilify anything else that they consider their competition. The Lancet meta-analysis of 110 studies was not done by the homeopathic industry or associations but most likely by their competition, although Lancet refuses to disclose who funded it. That's like asking GM to evaluate Ford vehicles.
indoctus41 1 year ago
@indoctus41 So, let me get this straight. You are the one that came up with this article but yet you discredit it. Nope, sorry, I don´t get it.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru My fear is that Pharma power and wealth will lobby successfully to outlaw the only thing that seems to work for me. This is a potential limitation on my freedom. I would never suggest that you not take drugs even if you only thought they worked. I'm hoping you would afford me the same choice, but in any case that you would at least support me against encroachments on my freedoms by the powerful, that is, assuming you understand that freedom means to allow for ideas you don't accept.
indoctus41 1 year ago
@indoctus41 Oh don´t worry. "BIg Pharma" is not looking to do that. The business is so big, there is no need to do that. I think that you are looking at this from the wrong angle. It should be the FDA that you should worry about in any case, but it seems unlikely that they will do anything about it. They haven´t in the last 100 years, so there´s no reason to start now.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
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RANDI/JREF to put homeopathy to a real test, not one staged by TV producers in the pay of pharmaceutical sponsors, or one where he's doing slight of hand tricks with the key to the double blind, but a real test, overseen by Nobel laureates&top material scientists, Roy, Tiller, Josephson, Montagnier, Rao, Sukul et al, real scietnists.
mohanaturo 1 year ago
" Given the research breakthroughs in the biological and clinical effects of nanopharmacology, it is a certainty that homeopathy has an evolving scientific foundation in the Integrative Medicine of the future."
Kenneth R. Pelletier, PhD, MD
Clinical Professor of Medicine, University of Arizona;
Former Clinical Professor of Medicine, Stanford University School of Medicine;
Director of the Corporate Health Improvement Program
newrosenewman 1 year ago
The million dollar is still there? then homeopathetic is bullshit. What could be better than that to homeopaths, besides the million. Imagine the strengh to the product and don't mention the publicity.
No guys... sorry to upset you, there is nothing you can say that stand against reason
joe78man 1 year ago
The last part of this video explains why those enzyte commercials still run, even though the owner of the company is serving 25 years for fraud.
If I remember correctly, the company was fined around $900 000.
ThePsychoReturns 1 year ago
lol his name is stacy
tariqtariqtariq88 1 year ago
Millions of people are dying every year all over the world because of antibiotic resistant infections.( Misuse of antibiotics against non bacterial diseases cause antibiotic resistant infections.) So unite together to fight out this menace instead of dump spectator
newrosenewman 1 year ago
BEWARE MRSA IS SPREADING
If you think antibiotic resistance isn't a problem or doesn't affect you , THEN BEWARE. Contd
newrosenewman 1 year ago
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@newrosenewman Can you answer my question or not?
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@newrosenewman Linezolid, and other non-methicillin antibodics can be used to treat Methicillin-resistant staph.
cary123 1 year ago
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newrosenewman 1 year ago
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@cary123 But LINEZOLID has severe SIDE EFFECTS like THROMOCYTOPENIA,CVA,ANEMIA,LIVER&CARDIAC FAILURES,AC.RENAL FAILURE.........
newrosenewman 1 year ago
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@cary123 But Linezolid has severe side effects like THROMOCYTOPENIA,CVA,ANEMIA,LIV ER&CARDIAC FAILURES,AC.RENAL FAILURE.........
newrosenewman 1 year ago
@cary123 "Linezolid is effective .....The most common adverse effects include diarrhea, nausea, and headache; less common side effects include hypertension, lactic acidosis, and elevated liver enzymes. Among the most severe adverse effects, seen with prolonged courses of therapy, include irreversible peripheral neuropathy, optic neuropathy, and reversible myelosuppression."
Julie Gorchynski, MD, MSc, Department of Emergency Medicine, CHRISTUS Spohn Memorial. Hospital,
newrosenewman 1 year ago
Let us be practical than fighting each other. If any body wants to find the effectivenes of Homeopathy he may do the following experiment .Take a dose of 4-6 globules of NUX VOMICA 30 four times a day for 14 days.Once you develop any signs/symptoms, administration of drug is to stop immediately. The symtoms will disappear its own with in period of 7 days . During the course of proving, use of any other medications or stimulants is restricted.
newrosenewman 1 year ago
@newrosenewman Just a question. What is the dilution in this remedy?
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@newrosenewman hey, why don't you do this test instead: drink vodka till' you're drunk. The stop drinking. After about 1 day, give or take 12 hours, you're drunk no more. Hangover may occur, but will subside after a day or two. It's an easier test, any most of us would have done it at least once in our life.
What does that prove? Alcohol make you drunk.. Your body metabolize alcohol, when BAC is low enough, you're not drunk. Homeopathy at work? Fuck off.
Deadman1709 1 year ago
Charles Darwin could not have written "Origin of Species" without the homeopathic treatment that he received from Dr. Gully (based on Darwin's own letters!).
newrosenewman 1 year ago
@newrosenewman All that crap is just one big Argument from Authority: just because someone famous said doesn't mean it's true.
If you want to convince anyone, give them evidence: give them a genuine scientific study that proves anything about homeopathy is real.
SexyMelon 1 year ago
Many of America's literary greats advocated for and often wrote about homeopathy, including Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Louisa May Alcott, Nathaniel Hawthorne, and Mark Twain... and European greats such as Goethe, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Lord Alfred Tennyson, and George Bernard Shaw.
-- Numerous sports greats have bragged about their use of homeopathic medicines including David Beckham, Martina Navratilova, Boris Becker, and many more.
newrosenewman 1 year ago
@newrosenewman many literary greats thought slavery was normal. What´s your point?
Yeah many sports greats are also well known for their scientific background. Again, you fail your to make a point
ebrobaru 1 year ago
At least eleven American Presidents used homeopathic medicines or sponsored legislation to allow homeopathic practice (Lincoln, Tyler, Hayes, Garfield, Arthur, Harrison, McKinley, Coolidge, Harding, Hoover, & Clinton)...and two British Prime Ministers (Disraeli and Tony Blair).
-- Many clergy and spiritual leaders have been homeopathy's patients and advocates, including SEVEN Popes (!) and numerous rabbis, Muslim clerics, and Eastern spiritual leaders.
newrosenewman 1 year ago
@newrosenewman American Presidents allowed homeopathy because of the business end of it. They couldn´t care less if it worked or not. They all have personal astrologers too. Spiritual leaders? Oh you mean the people that most advocate science? Please, get real.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru Whoever supports Homeopathy whether they are the Presidents of America, dedicated politicians, famous physicians renowned scientists, reputed sports men or women, etc.... are just for business!? But supporters of Modern Medicine are the only spokesmen for science!? The science is for them by them and of them!?
newrosenewman 1 year ago
@newrosenewman No, modern science and medicine in particular are also very big businesses in themselves. The thing is that while medicine is still a business, it works.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru And how can you be so sure that homeopathy doesn't? Have you tried going to a homeopath for any health problem? If you haven't, you are just a person with whole lot of prejudice... And that wasn't good last time I checked.
nmkostic 1 year ago
@nmkostic Because so called remedies are fabricated by each homeopath at his free will, therefore you can´t replicate them, much less in a massive scale.
No, I have never gone to a homeopath because I know it´s a waste of time and money. Whenever I have a health problem, my intention is to get it fixed quickly by sound medicine. Not by some "ethereal" remedy.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru No, you DON'T know! You assume. Until you check it out open-minded, you are one more ignorant pseudo-intellectual talking about things far beyond his knowledge or experience.
nmkostic 1 year ago
Numerous leading conventional physicians and scientists who have had extremely positive things to say about homeopathy include Sir William Osler (the "father of modern medicine"), Emil Adolph von Behring, MD (the "father of immunology"), Charles Frederick Menninger, MD (founder of the Menninger Clinic), August Bier, MD (the "father of spinal anesthesia"), C. Everett Koop, M.D. (former Surgeon General, U.S.), Brian Josephson, PhD. (Nobel Laureate & Cambridge professor).
newrosenewman 1 year ago
I think that James Randi deserves free meals for life.
EvodiusTheophile 1 year ago
STRONG SUPPORTORS OF HOMEOPATHY
Leonard A. Wisneski, MD, FACP,
An endocrinologist and Clinical Professor of Medicine at George Washington University Medical Center;
Adjunct Faculty in the Department of Physiology and Biophysics at Georgetown University;
Ken Dychtwald, Ph.D.
Author, Bodymind, Healthy Aging, Age Wave, Age Power,
Consultant to many Fortune 500 Companies Contd…
newrosenewman 1 year ago
@newrosenewman So? Every former US President have had "astrology" consultants. That doesn´t mean that astrology is real
ebrobaru 1 year ago
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STRONG SUPPORTORS OF HOMEOPATHY
Kenneth R. Pelletier, PhD, MD
Former Clinical Professor of Medicine, Stanford University School of Medicine; .
C. Norman Shealy, M.D., Ph.D.
Neurosurgeon and Pain Management Specialist
Larry Dossey, MD
Former Chief of Staff of Medical City Dallas HospitaL
David Anick PhD MD
Research Associate, McLean Hospital, Harvard Medical School. Contd...
newrosenewman 1 year ago
STRONG SUPPORTORS OF HOMEOPATHY
Kenneth R. Pelletier, PhD, MD
Former Clinical Professor of Medicine, Stanford University School of Medicine; .
C. Norman Shealy, M.D., Ph.D.
Neurosurgeon and Pain Management Specialist
Larry Dossey, MD
Former Chief of Staff of Medical City Dallas HospitaL
David Anick PhD MD
Research Associate, McLean Hospital, Harvard Medical School. Contd...
newrosenewman 1 year ago
"There have not, to the best of my knowledge, been any refutations of homeopathy that remain valid......... "
Brian David Josephson
Nobel Laureate Scientist - Physics 1973
mohanaturo 1 year ago
Randi looks like he could die at any moment lol
StJohn404 1 year ago
While going through the comments in length, it is evident that doctors and supporters of MODERN MEDICINE are in the grip of terrible insecurity. It is mere common sense that no confident intellectual society would ever attack somebody quite inferior to them. Logically one could arrive at a conclusion that HOMEOPATHY’S growing popularity is not just an accident.
utuhari 1 year ago
@utuhari Homeopathy is growing in acceptance because people unfortunately, are more gullible than before, and because the homeopathic industry spends tons of money in advertising.
ebrobaru 1 year ago 2
@ebrobaru Thank you for accepting Homeopathy’s enviable world wide popularity.
With due respect, I disagree with your reasons for its popularity. It is due to its
unchangeable and true principles based on natural laws. Many of the best contributors and admirers of Homeopathy were once worst critics from modern medicine
utuhari 1 year ago
@utuhari True principles? Who qualifies them? Homeopaths? Ok, that´s just nonsense.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru On examining the history of development of Modern Medicine many of its highly appreciated theories and medicine are just rubbish in the course of time .The true science would remain fixed without budging to the onslaught of time. The hypothecation about micro organism might be foolish or unscientific before the invention of microscope. So any intelligent progressive society cannot leave the science to the whims and fancies of handful minorities who are deaf and dump to the TRUTH
utuhari 1 year ago
@utuhari Sure, everything is a conspiracy. Medicine, scientists, hospitals, all of them are against homeopathy. Ok, suit yourself
ebrobaru 1 year ago 59
@ebrobaru Conspiracy against anything is always short living. However the truth is eternal. Interestingly, Homeopathy and all its medicines could survive two hundred plus years with ever increasing popularity. It is just like the SUN which gives heat and light even to its severe critics.
utuhari 1 year ago
@utuhari 200 hundred years. Wow! Of course real medicine has been with us for millenia. But that´s another topic. Too bad that your eternal truth can only be sustained by people that only want to believe fairy tales and whenever confronted with hard science, they just dwindle.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru It is said that all the drugs of modern medicine are evidence based, undergone double blind experiments and passed the stringent quality controls of HARD SCIENCE. Why are many of them ending up prematurely in ‘cemeteries’ even after all these double strong scientific measures? What is there to be said on this tragic fate of the drugs by the scientists of pro modern medicine and its vociferous dogmatic supporters, intellectuals, and lectures?
utuhari 1 year ago
@ebrobaru Homeopathic Medicines, on the other hand are increasing in number but even a single medicine is not found useless or worthless at any point of time. However the present day science at its infancy failed to reason out many of the revolutionary inventions of Homeopathy. In fact, it remains in the hearts of millions for mitigating their maladies incurable by Modern Medicine.
utuhari 1 year ago
@utuhari Homeopathic "medicines" never end up on a cemetery because they can never be tested to be wrong. Simple as that. Because there are never subject to tests, real tests. On the other hand, "normal" medicines are backed up by science. And science, unlike homeopathy, has no problem to admit when it is wrong and it is not afraid to correct itself. When was the last time homeopathy did that?
ebrobaru 1 year ago 70
@ebrobaru Complete BULLSHIT. The Lancet report accepted as legitimate 110 studies on homeopathy where no bias was detected. However your grammar and spelling was very good. Nice job.
indoctus41 1 year ago
@ebrobaru I'm certainly not a pro homeopathic medicineman but to say that all medicines are so well tested as a form of science is in a lot of cases discovered because of side-effects.
Another really big part is that the 'real' medical stuff is so highly profitable that I don't have to tell anyone what will happen to quality when so much money is involved.
Another Hurray for Randy James though... that man sets people to think for themselves.
ItsMeTheBadGuy 1 year ago
@ItsMeTheBadGuy You are right. But the difference is that medicines can be recalled when something wrong is found with them, unlike homeopathy. Of course it is a big business, and many temptations must arise. But still, it´s the only thing we have that has been reliable in tests.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru That much is true. The problem is that they know it and we are but helpless test subjects. Yet, this may benefit future generations but it brings little comfort if it happens close to you or yourself.
Glad with the Internet opening eyes but also the bad guys put a lot of misinformation on the Net. It's some puzzling to gather enough information on several opinions and experienced people.
ItsMeTheBadGuy 1 year ago
@ebrobaru
Dear sir, it is my duty to inform you that you have received 100 IRL bonus points. Spend them well.
CaptainDahr 1 year ago
@ebrobaru - Main stream pharma has no problem admitting it's wrong ??? On what planet ?
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@MaitreyaRocket how about when they recall some medicine?
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru - If a pharma co. makes a recall, it's because they were forced to by the gov. after 1000s died ...
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@MaitreyaRocket If you take a minute to read my post you see that I posted that science corrects itself, not "big pharma". 1000s have died? Please show me of a single case where 1000s have died.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru - You asked a question about recalls. I answered it. You didn't like it when your question backfired on you. So, now you're grasping at straws trying to get the upper hand . It's just not going to happen. Stop. How about 1000s of cases where a few people died ??? Science based meds are superior, fair enough. Nevertheless; their scams always cost more & are far more harmful .
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@MaitreyaRocket No, I explained that your question was misleading. You didn´t like the answer, so that´s your problem. Again, what case of 1000s of cases of deaths are you talking about? Asking for a specific example is hardly grasping at straws. Science meds are not superior, they just work. The others, well, don´t.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru - My question mislead who to think what ? Just as the reply you just gave is simply scambling to cover your position of conventional med being the end all solution. It's not . Unlike the homeo scam, the conventional scam has a huge body count . They just work ? Then by grace the others don't ... < cont. <
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@MaitreyaRocket - In the fully referenced work , " Death by Medicine" Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy Smith, PhD make the point that that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. 783,936 per year in 2001 . That tops heart disease ... And yes , hoping against hope one can't Google an example for you is grasping at straws.
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
@MaitreyaRocket Yeah, I know that many deaths have come because of that, but I though that you were referring to a single case. Anyway, they are still our best bet, unless you believe this nonsense of homeopathy
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@MaitreyaRocket - LOL! 783,936, that's a pretty big number you're throwing out there.
How many of those people died _from_ the medication as opposed to _while_ taking medication (it's an important difference)? How does that compare to the number of people medicine has saved? How does that compare to the number of people who died in the US because they didn't take medicine? How do the percentages between those who died from medication compare to those who died from _not_ taking medication?
wstevenschneider 11 months ago
@wstevenschneider - If you're interested, look them up & let me know ... But, a word of caution there are no #s for the absurd things you asked about , simply because there would be no way of knowing or conducting such a study . Anyway, let me know how that works out for you , kid ...
MaitreyaRocket 11 months ago
@MaitreyaRocket - Translation: You've got nothing. It's just an impressive sounding number without context or meaning.
Sadly, "Death by Medicine" doesn't itself appear in the peer-review literature. The authors' seem to have done a fine job cherry-picking for what best suits them.
Please post your verifiable, peer-reviewed evidence for alternative medicine.
wstevenschneider 11 months ago
@wstevenschneider - It's not my # ... I'm glad you're impressed with it though .For the actual claim, I felt it was on the low side. It seems to have had the desired effect . I don't have any evidence for alternitive meds. Why would you ask me for evidence for alt meds ? The proponents of that shit are either deeply deluded or charlatans. People that fall for that shit are morons. I guess your "translation" is correct. I don't have any data that can't be collected. I am glad you liked the # :-)
MaitreyaRocket 11 months ago
@MaitreyaRocket - I see, you're using an argument favored by many of the alternative medicine proponents, but you're not an alternative medicine proponent. If you're not then I apologize for making that assumption.
Regardless, big numbers shouldn't be used out of context and if you don't know the context you shouldn't be throwing it around. The authors' of "Death by Medicine" obviously aren't honest about how they get that number and that makes that article suspect.
wstevenschneider 11 months ago
@wstevenschneider - OK, I won't ...
MaitreyaRocket 11 months ago
@wstevenschneider Regardless of all your questions, prescription medication was the number one killer of people last year, beat cancer, accidents, smoking, non prescrip drugs, etc. Just sayin.
JHandcock1111 9 months ago
@JHandcock1111 - Please site sources numbers and context. As you can see, I'm skeptical of your claims so please make the effort to back them up.
wstevenschneider 9 months ago
@wstevenschneider - Nah, I don't want to bother looking it up. However, as you are skeptical(and, I am therefore assuming, curious) you go ahead and look it up. I always encourage original research rather than just spoon feeding one information. Make sure you look up both sides of the story now. ;)
Just sayin.
JHandcock1111 9 months ago
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@JHandcock1111 - You made the claim, the onus is on you to provide the evidence to support it. To ask me to provide the evidence that you need is just you being lazy.
Just say'n.
wstevenschneider 9 months ago 2
@JHandcock1111 typical out
ebrobaru 9 months ago
@JHandcock1111 LOL where the hell did you hear that prescription drugs was the number one killer?
Based off data I've seen, It accounts for a place AFTER/UNDER a combination of ALL types of accidents, which accounts for only 5% of deaths.
Also just because real medication has a chance to kill some people, doesn't make it an argument for using something else which doesn't do anything at all.
Do you drive a car? that is dangerous! — you should only walk or maybe use the subway or bus systems.
MsHojat 9 months ago
@MsHojat
Actually wouldn't a more appropriate method be. "sit there you'll get there faster and you're less likely to die from traveling" according to homeopathy?
garith21 9 months ago
@JHandcock1111
what the heck are you talking about??? that's ridiculous. i'm sure prescription medication did kill people but not to the near extent that you say. The thing is, anything that is effective can be dangerous. So if homeopathy was actually effective (which it isn't) it would also likely result in deaths if overused.
mariokartin 8 months ago
@JHandcock1111
That is absolute bullshit. First of all, it is not the nr. 1 killer. It doesnt beat things such as heart and vascular diseases, or cancer. It does rank up somewhat high in the US (about 1-2% of all deaths). This is however a failure of the doctors prescribing the medicine, rather than the medicine itself. The medicine are effective and safe, in the right situation. It's the doctors who should be held to higher standards.
can0mark 7 months ago
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@MaitreyaRocket - LOL! 783,936, that's a pretty big number you're throwing out there.
How many of those people died _from_ the medication as opposed to _while_ taking medication (it's an important difference)? How does that compare to the number of people medicine has saved? How does that compare to the number of people who died in the US because they didn't take medicine? How do the percentages between those who died from medication compare to those who died from _not_ taking medication?
wstevenschneider 11 months ago
@utuhari - if the truth is eternal, why has there not been any development of the theory of its mechanism in the last 200 years, and why have all meta analysis shown little or no efficacy beyond the results expected by chance?
if it is true, then why doesn't it want people to know about how 'amazing' it is.
EvelcyclopS 1 year ago 3
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@utuhari "Homeopathy and all its medicines could survive two hundred plus years with ever increasing popularity."
Lobotomy, bloodletting and exorcism all have much longer lifespan... Doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Use your head.
SexyMelon 1 year ago
@ebrobaru No it's not a conspiracy. But if you don't accept that there our those with a lot of power and wealth that are in control of the medical industry, then you live in FantasyLand. FACT: Conventional medicine only has to be slightly better than a placebo. That means if 1% (1 out of 100 people) receive benefit from a drug it meets the efficacy standard for approval. It also means that 99 people risk side effects with no advantage from the drug. Who made those rules????
indoctus41 1 year ago
@indoctus41 Oh yeah, I admit that there are people with a lot of money in this industry. Yes, money has to be made. The difference here is that medicine actually do work. Homeopathy also is a multimillion dollar industry worldwide. Unless all homeopaths work for free. The thing is that it is a very expensive placebo.
110 legitimate studies? Interesting. On what issue was that published?
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru Actually once you acquire a homeopathic remedy you can make more from the same solution. My 6 week hayfever season is handled with a $15 outlay. Now what's interesting about your comments is that you say things such as "it's an expensive placebo", and " (conventional) medicine actually works". Then you ask for the study. Interesting positioning. The Lancet : Volume 366, Number 9487, 27 August 2005
indoctus41 1 year ago
@indoctus41 Thanks for pointing out the study you mention. Not many homeopathy supporters can support their claims. I´ll give you that. However I think that you are interpreting the results of said study in a different way. Yes, there were 110 homeopathy trials tested. But that doesn´t mean that they were proven correct. That´s a big difference. Anyway, one just needs to take a look at the conclusion of said study .
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@indoctus41 "This finding is compatible with the notion that the clinical effects of homoeopathy are placebo effects".
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru I don't agree with you that one should only look at the conclusion. There are serious discrepancies in procedure throughout the study which compromise any conclusion that might be drawn.
indoctus41 1 year ago
@indoctus41 You are the one that pointed to that article, but yet you don´t agree with it. You should make up your mind.
Oh by all means I agree with you. The Pharmaceutical companies have a huge business. A big one. Now if they did see homeopathy as competition, they would simply take over it as they do with other competing companies. They don´t because they no it´s no competition, not only for the numbers, but because they know that it just doesn´t work.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
@ebrobaru I don't think this is true. I don't believe there are smarmy men in dark rooms conjuring up evil plans to screw everyone. However there is a pharmaceutical culture that is powerful and protects itself against competition. There is no rule in free market economies that prohibits companies from using every legal means, including heavy lobbying of gov't bodies, to carve out economic hegemony for itself.
indoctus41 1 year ago
@ebrobaru the argument that you cannot trust a billion dollar industry which as an invested interrest in people being sick and on drugs for prolonged periods/indefinately, is a fair one. Obviously, it is probably true too understanding greed and money. So...why does it not apply to homeopathy in the minds of these muppets? It is a billion dollar industry, check. It has an interrest in keeping people byuing their stuff rather than curing disease, check. But somehow their greed doesnt stink or?
fucknuaf 1 year ago
@ebrobaru To add. If these companies up there on the pedistal really were out to better the world for all man kind, the price tags certainly seems suspicious given that their "medicine" cost next to nothing to produce and research. There atleast the conventional medicine giants can say honestly that they spend billions on research and millions on production due to the cost of special/rare chemicals and solvents they often have to use in large amounts.
fucknuaf 1 year ago
@fucknuaf excellent points. Let´s wait to hear some excuses now.
ebrobaru 1 year ago
I can imagine what the marketing department had to deal with when coming up with the ad
"Shit guys, head on doesn't do anything. How do advertise it?"
"HEAD ON. APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD. HEAD ON. APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD."
MidoriFan10 1 year ago
On the homeopothy try the homeopthic remedy for MALARIA
Get it anywhere , I am told that is a good one to test if it does anything or not.
Take as directed though or double the dose if you think it does nothing but no more , you only waiste it.
You should get sympthoms of MALARIA within 2-3 days.
try it!
pcbarter 1 year ago