The Dragon Beetle

[gregrutz]

It is complex, I don't understand it, so God musta dunit that way!

[MeltUp3]

Just look at "Growing up in the universe" with Richard Dawkins to get answer of how it evolved.

[veebrad]

So many fools, still living in the dark ages. You'd do anything to try to make your dumb book seem right. The bible itself is only a recent invention, made up of a bunch of old stories, all of which reflect the time they were made up, ie no hint of the things we now know about sun/planets etc, which they'd have known if the creator of the universe was dictating it. Try looking up some of the texts your church buddies left out or altered to avoid the stuff that's so stupid even you'd get it.

[YungZ905]

Where can i find that stuff that they try to avoid? Because i dont like to avoid anything especially regarding the past

[ridingpuredreamz]

Anyone that knows science and has researched this themselves know that it is true.

[Paxmax]

WTF...this has been debunked like 16 years ago. Haha English school childrens know better than US creationist... That says it all... really.

watch?v=daONxbSR9WE

Maybe you creationist need to hear what Usura preached on the dancefloor: "Open your mind" (repeat at least 3 times)

[KurNorock]

dumbest thing I've seen all day.

[BereanBeacon]

KurNorock, But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2Corinthians 4:3,4

[KurNorock]

uh huh...

You know, you might have an easier time convincing people of this garbage if your arguments weren't all quotes from the bible.

[PaulMacGregorWhitby]

Irreducible complexity. Nothing works until everything works.

[KurNorock]

That is true, but that rule doesn't mean that when something is reduced it has to have the same function.

What if you change just one protein in that beetle and instead of popping off like a firecracker, it releases an acid that helps it dissolve and eat certain plant matter? What if you take out two proteins and now it is just a foul smelling liquid like a skunk?

[PaulMacGregorWhitby]

If the components of the beatle or phlagellan etc. are reduced it has NO function. It can not switch to another function. See my vid unlocking the mysteries of life. You have a lot of faith in evolution.

[TheFallibleFiend]

Claims are not evidence. Misrepresentations are not evidence.

[PaulMacGregorWhitby]

The omly rebuttals I ever see from evolutionists on videos like this one are vaque personal attacks. I would really like to hear scientific arguments here - unless there is no argument.

[melancholyid]

Ok, fine.

Start with a normal beetle.

Most beetles produce quinones to tan the cuticle. Excess quinones makes bugs distasteful (ie centipedes).

They evolve to hold more quinones.

Beetle evolves to release quinones when threatened.

Muscles evolve. Some resivoirs enlarge while others are lost

[melancholyid]

It evolves to make hydroquinones, when predators become immune to quinones. The cells producing quinones and hydroquinones move into ducts. The muscle duplicates and becomes a sphincter.

Hydrogen peroxide, a common byproduct of cellular metabolism, is mixed with the hydroquinone and produces a mild reaction making the beetle more unappealing. Cells evolce around the sphincter containing perioxides and catalysts, again common to many creatures.

[melancholyid]

A heat resistant structure would naturally adapt around the new sphincter, allowing the glands to produce more chemicals. The opening narrows to become more of a jet.

This is all on talkorigins.

[TheFallibleFiend]

You made a claim regarding flagella without offering any evidence and then you ask me to present evidence.

bombadier beetles: watch?v=SUvLR2yyWuE

flagellum: watch?v=SdwTwNPyR9w

[melancholyid]

If the bombadier beetle lost the ability to produce H2O2, hydroquinone is still a strong deterent against predators. If it lost the ability to aim, it could use its jet as a method of emergency travel. If it lost teh ability to produce hydroquinone, H2O2 can destroy cellular material and destroy scent.

[melancholyid]

For instance, the appendix. The appendix used to house the bacteria necessary to digest cellulose, which termites also carry. As it became useless as we had a much larger diet, it now serves as a resevoir for intestinal bacteria, where if something like amoebic dysentary wipes out beneficial bacteria, the appendix would be the last place to be wiped out, and theoretically could repopulate the intestines.

[KurNorock]

This old fart is fudging up the irreducible complexity thing. He is trying to take out whole parts, like the mixing chamber, or the inhibitor, and things like that. Those parts are made of thousands of different smaller parts that have to change little by little over time. And they all change together, working with each other, not one after another like the old fart says.

[ColeHop]

i designed that beatle

[BereanBeacon]

ColeHop, They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1John 4:5,6

[tulalipbingo]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?

Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?

Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?

Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?

Then why call him God?

[hopgoblin1]

hahahahahahah burp

[wauft]

God lets evil as a sign of mercy and patience towards us

[dingorex]

Absolutely Intelligently designed!