Female Genital Mutilation...Why Should We Care??

[MadBasstid]

Okay, why can't we talk about FGM without MGM having to be brought up? I agree with you, like most people who are against FGM do, that they're both wrong but really, this is SO MUCH WORSE, and even if it wasn't, if you made a video about the problems with MGM I would not go on there and say "yeah, but what about FGM?" I would say, "yes, that is wrong." I don't get the need to ignore this issue in favor of another one.

[dafranx]

Oh that shit is just as horrible as Male Genital Mutilation; fuck both of those shits, they should be thrown in prison for this. Those shits should be BANNED from all civilized countries for good.

[SoSoniLove]

Circumsized men are clean, the foreskin traps dirt and its far more likely to catch sexually transmitted diseases

But why girls? NO FREAKING POINT!

Poor girls

[sTxVengeance]

Also no circumcision for dudes, I can't imagine what its like without foreskin

[ljubav2vim1]

chadpopstar. are you curcumcised?

[EclecticTrebleMaker1]

I am so glad that you acknowledged the cultural aspect. Many people judge based on their own, usually WESTERN CHRISTIAN culture and THAT'S wrong. I'm ALSO glad you acknowledged the fact that culture is static and changes. Traditions like these will be very hard to change. This is VERY eye opening!

[allianceFiLifeDotCom]

was your class at GSU?

[sarakaster]

@drealgrin

It's like telling a brutally raped and injured woman that in theory there is a small chance that this experience of pure horror doesn't effect her psyche at all and sex will be carefree fun in the future.

That's EMPTY words! Like your obsessive and repeatedly urge to compare!

Male-circumcision is an issue but NOT as weighty as female-mutilation. It's NOT one topic. This is about methodical supression of women in a way that is beyond words and can't be tolerated even one mor day.

[Mystoksor]

@sarakaster I share your disapproval of FGM, but treating it like the systematic oppression of women by male community leaders is an oversimplification of the complex culture of mutilation and an underestimation of the challenges we will face eradicating the process. A man may expect his wife to be mutilated, but women are responsible for continuing this barbarism. The girls who were mutilated decades ago by their mothers are now forcing it on their own daughters.

[sarakaster]

@Mystoksor

Yes, without any doubt you're right. It's unfortunately deeply enrooted in their culture now.

But I doubt that a woman who is not mutilate would mutilate another one - so this circle of mutilation has to be broken. If that is possible for just one generation it has the potential for a lasting change.

[jimbo525SE]

@sarakaster "A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision, especially when there is any degree of phimosis. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anæsthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment, as it may well be in some cases.

[jimbo525SE]

@sarakaster The soreness which continues for several weeks interrupts the practice, and if it had not previously become too firmly fixed, it may be forgotten and not resumed." ~ Dr John Harvey Kellogg

There is an enormous discrepancy in the number of circumcised men and women around the world, and there are similar cultural forces at work. To deny that the issues are at least very closely linked is to bury your head in the sand.

[sarakaster]

@jimbo525SE

I really reaaaally wonder why so many men seem to feel forced to undeline that male-circumcision is also a very issue of importance. Seriously guys, can't you just let it be for once and just agree with the topic here. I am really a little bit tired of the "Yeah, the women have it bad, but the man are als very very poor" attitude...

Doing nothing against mutilation is madness - so give me a break with heads in the sand, will you...

[jimbo525SE]

@sarakaster Why do you feel forced to come here and comment on how FGM is bad, and refute those who say that MGM is bad? Men do it here because there are hypocrites here you are so very vocal when it comes to females, but not only are they silent when it comes to males, they do it to their own sons. You don't see people going on anti male circ videos and have them talk about how FGM is bad too. Is that because anti FGM activists are much more civil? No is because everyone agrees with them.

[sarakaster]

@jimbo525SE

I don't feel "forced" - this whole thread is about FGM, noticed?

Since my first comment about how important I find awareness and action to stop all that, I keep getting comments about MGM and how I must not forget about MGM!

Even now you are the next picking it up...

And btw, women are still the ones forced to the sickest (FGM is def. in the top) shit every day on this planet and totally outnumbering male-abuses - that's why I find it important AS A MAN to speak out for them.

[jimbo525SE]

@sarakaster Actually no this entire thread isn't about FGM. I came here and there were gross inaccuracies about comments related to MGM so I corrected them. I don't want to blast you for having poor English as your profile says you are from Austria, but I have no idea what you are talking about on the first sentence of the last paragraph. Are you saying that it is worse than male circumcision? In that case look at my comment regarding rape vs murder. (continued)

[jimbo525SE]

@sarakaster Are you saying that there is nothing sicker in the world than female circumcision? If you honestly believe that you are one sheltered individual. Look at military conscription. You are literally forcing people to dodge bullets or go to jail. Look at sex trafficking. Look at child soldiers. Famine.

[sarakaster]

@jimbo525SE

First thx for being tolerant and patient about my english.

I'm not naiv - of course there is equal and worse horror and terror in the world. More than we would possible imagine and more than we could take...

My point was: In comparrison to men women have been the most supressed gender by far - back in history until now. As for that it is even more neccessary that men (and not only women) are part of a movement against that. The other thing is comparing suffering (continued)

[sarakaster]

@jimbo525SE

For my believes people can really only stick to one topic. If you want to reach them and start to change something, keep it simple. But most of all the men here are arguing for the matter of male-circumcision and how equaly bad and abominable it is. First: It isn't. Second: So what? Men can be victims too, yes. But usually women are!!! Look at the statistics. FGM causes serious long term health effects - 2 million women every year...

[jimbo525SE]

@sarakaster Women being the most suppressed gender by far is another topic for another time. Even if you restrict it to the present, we would have to get into alimony, wage gaps, divorce laws, and all sorts of different things. For MGM for FGM, in the west we typically overstate FGM, and understate MGM. For a good in depth view of male circumcision academically I would look into /watch?v=ZSM-SkwGEf0. For female circumcision I would look into Lightfoot (link in next comment)

[jimbo525SE]

@sarakaster fgmnetwork(dot)org(slash)autho­rs(slash)Lightfoot-klein(slash­)sexualexperience(dot)htm 

Or google Lightfoot-klein Circumcision.

[jimbo525SE]

@sarakaster Oh, sorry to post so many comments, but once you establish that the effects are similar the rates don't even compare. Male circumcision comes in front by a landslide. The reason I talk about male circumcision is that it is one of the only issues that people haven't made up their mind about or haven't heard about. I could post all day about FGM and reach no one that I disagreed with.

[sarakaster]

@jimbo525SE

well thx for your effort.

Quote: I could post all day about FGM and reach no one that I disagreed with. ***

Well there are a lot of people here who play down the effects or even are for it becaue of the traditional aspect. So for that I haven't made the same exper. here as you say you did.

And on the other hand, it's sad to see that even if all people who hear about it are clearly againt FGM still nothing has changed in africa.

Yeah, and I respect your approach on the MGM issue.

[jimbo525SE]

@sarakaster No problem.  Thanks for the sentiment. I probably didn't convince you, but maybe I planted a seed in a reader. I do suggest you watch that video I linked to about male circumcision. It is very well done. Its a shame that georgetown had to leave it unlisted to keep it from being restricted to adult content.

[sarakaster]

@drealgrin

So what? You keep fighting and talking and bashing over the fact that boys shouldnt be circumcised, ok, go for it. I don't care. I know lot's of guys being circumcised and they aren't affected at all, or traumatised what so ever.

The mutilation that happens to the women IS much worse, there is NO discussion there at ALL. I don't care about your hypocritically and theoretically argument that you still can have orgasms after the removal of the clitoris. Do you even listen to yourself?

[sphiryx1]

Stoppt die Beschneidung von Jungen: intactamerica(dot)org

Stop circumcision on boys: intactamerica(dot)org

[velcrodogowner]

Why do all of these videos go on to being a bunch of idiots arguing "what about male circumcision". WTF! That procedure in way compares. It does not stop a man from being able to ejaculate. It does for a woman. And, let's face it ladies.......................a­ny help we can get in the premature ejaculation arena is welcomed. It would be like being raped every time you had to have sex with your husband if your clit was cut out. How fucking terrible.

[Mystoksor]

@velcrodogowner You need to stop and do some research before spewing your ignorant drivel. Read some accounts of American women who have been mutilated; they're still able to enjoy sex, but obviously they're missing a lot. The same is true for American men. The foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis and circumcision also reduces glans sensitivity. Circumcision does not help prematurity either. It occurs with equal prevalence among cut and intact men.

[utoobmark]

@velcrodogowner How dare you minimize male circumcision!? Male circumcision is far worse than female because it happens in modern Westernized countries who should know better. Female circumcision is already illegal in the USA, UK, Canada, and Australia. Male circumcision should be illegal.

[velcrodogowner]

The bottom line as to why female circumcision is wrong is because they DESTROY a woman's ability to have an orgasm or enjoy sex. Wrong, no matter how you put it. Everyone likes to bring up the infections it can cause, the pain and psychological trauma. None of that compares with simple fact that it destroys a woman's sexual freedom. Fucking makes me sick.

[psandbergnz]

What IS bizarre is the USA's obsession with cutting off healthy tissue from a baby boy's penis!

There are no more hygiene problems associated with the normal penis than there are with the normal vagina (in fact far less statistically). IF the male prepuce is unhygienic, exactly the same applies to the female prepuce (clitoral hood and inner labia). Drop your double-standards, and leave the penis of babies in peace. His body isn't yours to change.

[ChumaFilms]

Who the HELL... gives one person the RIGHT... to play God over another.

I am so sick of STUPID people being given the authority over others... simply because they KNOW key people.

NO ONE should be given the autority to make a decision over another person PERIOD

And if that person is too young to make a decision... then that decision must WAIT until that person is old enough to decide for themselves... unless that decision involves an IMEDIATE threat to life... and is NOT based on speculation.

[bridgetwaahoo]

Rachiejane1 - -My ex partner was circumcised for medical reasons. He was not held down and forced by family members, he was given aneathestic, he was not cut dirty using objects and by people with no medical training!!!!! Young girls have died!!! If this procedure was carried out on boys in these type of circumstances then yes I agree it is terrible but you can't copare how we circumcise boys here to what happens away from home

[jimbo525SE]

@bridgetwaahoo Might be a little late here, but in cultures were there is a high rate of female circumcision, there is almost always a high rate of male circumcision. In those cultures both practices are carried out with crude cutting tools, and unsanitary conditions. Hundreds of men die every year from circumcision as well.

[bridgetwaahoo]

It's to do with Culture and not religion. This is terrible and needs to be stopped. I understand and respect everyone has thrie own beliefs but if it's causing pain, emotional trauma, and putting that individual at risk then in my opinion it is very wrong.

[springnicht66]

This is not about which is worse (male / female) or what it takes away from someone sexually - jesus people! We're talking about cutting away part of someone's body, without their consent. It's not about the after effects - it's about no one having the right to mutilate another person's body - regardless of their gender!

[jimbo525SE]

@springnicht66 Thank you!!!! Its like watching the testimony of someone who was raped, and having a spectator say, "She should stop complaining, I know someone who was murdered."

[Izabella667]

Islam + FGM = Sunan Abu Dawud Book 41 Nr 5251

[Izabella667]

Islam + FGM = Sunan Abu Dawud Book 41 Nr 5251

[urikosan]

EGMAG

You are sick since the issue is not related with İslam.

Islam never and ever says to do such a thing.

Use your brain !!

[EGMAG]

SICK ISLAM

[abubasil]

@EGMAG It is not Islamic, what is about people do it in Africa, majority of them Christian and non believer.

Circumcision is came Pharaohs, which before Islam, Christianity and Judaism. Islam yes require men to be circumcised not WOMEN.

Even still some Muslims still circumcised their women, not because of Islam they follow their culture.

Do not judge religion because of its followers.

[EGMAG]

@abubasil

For the women and babies; It doesn't matter what you say; it is a crime against humanity and gods; and needs to be ended and never continued.

[abubasil]

@EGMAG Yes it is a crime if women circumcised I agree with you in this part, but I don't agree for the other part. For Males it is OK, you can refer to medical studies which proved it is healthy and benefit male from circumcision and not only Muslim do circumcised males Jew also do circumcised males.

[peacelovesmokingbud]

@EGMAGYou have every right to judge Muslims, but you have no right to judge MY religion.

No where in the Quran does it say a girl must be circumcised nor did any another Prophets say you must do so. So many people practise Islam culturally within their own tribes and villages, yet they have no actual knowledge of religion itself. Harming yourself long-term and short-term is a great sin in Islam.

Don't judge islam based on the media, or by the people, judge it by the book..

[EclecticTrebleMaker1]

@peacelovesmokingbud AMEN!

[EGMAG]

@peacelovesmokingbud

With all due respect to God and no other; many muslims do practice this barbarism in the name of Islam.

You cannot make laws and fairytale type stories and use God as an excuse to dominate people. and not expect great derisions and bloody rebellions from religious frustrations.

[Rachiejane1]

@freedsuriel This is not a form of punishment; it is a cultural or religious tradition. It is not a consequence of hip hop culture. It has been going on for thousands of years. It is VILE and needs to be stopped.

[LindaDooWop]

Respect other peoples' traditions? Are you nuts? If I ever witnessed anything like this I'd have no compunction whatsoever from shooting ignorant creeps like this!

Prehistoric savages!

[sandbergnz]

@freedsuriel, only North Americans, Jews and Moslems are fixated on circumcised penises. These three are evidently chips off the same block!

Europeans are proud to have the penis that Nature endowed us with. Keep your "Jew penis"! It's unnatural, and won't function as fully as the normal penis. Drugs for male sexual dysfunction are top sellers in the USA.

[khikyamhitman]

who made this ritual? fuck this one

[camjams11]

luke2618 the thing is yeah we do have to respect peoples cultures but they are being forced into having it done usually its the father or male relative of the family that does it. they use a knife and do no have any training in how to do it properly. it is likely the girl will get a horrible infection or die. ive never heard of some getting there ears pierced by force so u cant compare they too.

[luke2618]

@camjams11 its part of their culture......you cant pick and choose what you find acceptable and what you think is savage

[janniceify]

fuck!!

[rentealle]

This shit is sick... Fuck the tradition....

[luke2618]

the fact of the matter is that this is a cultural pratice and whether we see it as proper it is not our place to us to force our views an to othe people. i think its time that we stepped back and realized that this is no differant than a young girl getting her ears peirced or a young person coming of age through scarification. body modification is one of the first things to go when a culture if forced to conform. what happened to tolerance

[Rachiejane1]

@luke2618 'We have to respect people's cultures'??! Are you mad! This isn't culture; this is barbaric! '

This is no different to a girl getting her ears pierced'??!! How can you possibly even begin to think that these two things are at all comparable!! Please please please copy & paste the link on my next comment into your toolbar & read what happens in type 3 female genital mutilation. I would post what it says here but I don't know if it would violate copyright or something.

[Rachiejane1]

@luke2618 Then please tell me that you still think that female genital mutilation is the same sort of thing as getting your ears pierced!

It won't let me post the link so please search Female genital mutilation on wikipedia and look at type 3 especially

[luke2618]

@Rachiejane1 let me clear this up. i dont think that an ear getting pierced and female circumcision are the same as far as trauma goes, but they are both the same in that in some of these cultues it is considered beautiful. i in no way condone someone forcing a woman to do this but if a parent chooses to do this to their child then it should be left for them to choose. we allow parents have their boys circumcised with out demonizing them, then why not girls. it is the same thing

[Rachiejane1]

@luke2618 So after looking at female genital mutilation type 3 you still think this is OK? Wow - there are no words!

[luke2618]

@Rachiejane1 i never said it was ok. i said that its not our place to judge them when we do the same thing to boys. its not right for us to sit high on our horse and decide whats barbaric. i do believe that there was a time that we thought that lead based makeup was beautiful. the tribes like the maasai and the afar that do this as a right as passage should be left to do it if they choose. not every one has to agree with whats considered right in the west

[Rachiejane1]

@luke2618 Jesus Christ - so NOT the same thing!! It's a custom to steal, kidnap and rape a woman in Africa and Chechnya to make her marry you... I suppose we should just ignore that too then because it's a custom!! Some people are so stupid I don't know why I waste my time...

[luke2618]

@Rachiejane1 actually it is the same. lead based makeup disfigured and killed many of the women who used it........im not trying to say that what their doing if fair to their women. what im trying to get across is that its not our place to sit behind a computer screen and decide what is and isnt "barbaric". these woman know no different and when they choose to have their daughers circumcised then it is their choice. all that can be done is to teach these mothers that it isnt necessary

[chadpopstar]

END ALL GENITAL MUTILATION OF CHILDREN BOYS AND GIRLS! THE USA NEEDS LAWS THAT SAY THIS, NOT ONLY FOR GIRLS, BUT FOR BOYS TOO.

[VROXXXY1]

@chadpopstar I agree with you. I have a son and when they asked me if I wanted him circumcised I said Fuck NO. They told me it was better hygiene, and it was less susceptible to infections. All I had to say was I will teach my son how to have a good hygiene soap and water is the way not circumcision. So we should have laws against this practice. God made men with foreskins for a reason it's the way it was meant to be. Men make up these stupid reasons to do other wise and dumb people follow 

[Merrida100]

@dag, you have got to be a total twat to not see the difference. Let's compare FGM with CASTRATION. Do you even UNDERSTAND female anatomy? You DO get that they are removing her primary sense of pleasure, right? Having or not having a foreskin won't kill you in the process or prevent you from having children or affect your sex life and choice. I mean,...you DO understand all that stuff,.....right?

[wastedtubers]

poor thing, where is the proof this was done to her,

[tairakali]

man she skinny  but cute

[Lexi04121]

SHES BEEN BRAIN WSHED!

[olenkamancuso]

So much adevsity in the world and so much misery going on becasue of fucking coran......and musliams.....

Hopefully Jewish will gradually exterminate them one day...This will end the evil

[arpee9216]

Ok, so the plan to get rid of the evil extermination is to exterminate? How controversial.

[puppieeyes223]

That was just sick. I mean with males you just cut off some skin and they give them pain meds. But girls, they cut off the whole damn thing and get no meds and men complain about a little piece of skin getting cut off. Boy's won't remember the little pain because nothing been sewed up or chopped of and they have meds. That just didn't look right. It was pretty damn gross.

[psandbergnz]

puppie, you don´t know have a foreskin, right? Foreskin is sexually funcitional tissue, and NO ONE has the right to remove it, but the owner of the body.

It makes no sense to say male circumcsion is O.K.. because it is less destructive than female circumcision. If forced female circumcision is unethical, the same holds for forced male circumcision. Boys are NOT always anesthetised. Most BABY boys circumcised in the USA are NOT (due to side effects). WATCH a baby circumcision (e.g.Youtube)!

[USARMz]

from which country is she?

[hannahtheanimal]

FGM is illegal in the united states, and when a female child is brought into to see a doctor, if she is found to be mutilated, the parents will be prosecuted. Unfortunately, this only leads to young girls, who are already more susceptible to infection, not receiving adequate health care. Although more light is being brought to this horrendous violation of human rights, more must be done. Robbing women of their sexuality and marring them physically cannot be condoned, anywhere.

[ELSOL102]

People in US are beginning to question male circumcision.

[vinoria]

a friend told me that she was once circumsised, though at the time i didnt know what tht meant, and when i did i thought it was a good thing..because her mom made it seem like it was a good thing. I myself now know that its wrong to do such thing to a female, and not even females but males.. and i hope this stops... many children and adult children have died from this and its just wrong.

[libnibntz01]

markmywords23 you are an idiot.

[larkfeathers]

can you reverse female circumcision with an operation?

also male circumcision is verrry different and not nearly so invasive. dont act like they're the same

[dryamaka]

so totally accepted for guys as 'circumcision' but in girls it's called 'mutilation'?

[larkfeathers]

im not saying male circumcision is right necessarily but men dont seem to mind it still works properly but with women they usually remove the clitoris and for most women thats where the majority of pleasure is derived from

[AnduinX]

@larkfeathers: It does not work in the 'same' way after circumcision. The foreskin is just as sensitive as the head itself. The ones that don't mind frankly don't know what they're missing. Also, there is a rapidly growing crowd of men who DO mind thanks to the internet. I don't see how some people can be against female circumcision and not be against male circumcision.

[foxxfire1181]

There is a difference in removing some skin, and removing the part of a human body that has a tremendous amount of nerve endings in it. It would be like cutting off the head of the penis, not just the foreskin. ( Oh, and you don't get anything to dull the pain.) Think about what it would feel like to have someone take a razor or a piece of glass, and cut you with it.

[AnduinX]

@foxxfire1181: Male circumcision is not just removing some skin. That 'skin' is sexually functioning tissue packed with nerve endings. What sensation is left after circumcision is a small fraction of what was left before. If you're against female circumcision, you have no business not being against male circumcision too.

[TheHolesmasher]

@AnduinX Rofl bud you have no idea what your talking about, i have a tailored hammer and i have perfected the 2 pump super dump so i can say there is no loss of sensation there.Dont be jelly cause your peice is ugly.

[ELSOL102]

Circumcised guys have orgasms women who are circumcised have clitoris removed it is like cutting off head of your penis so it is more devastating & some they sew her up & husband cuts her with a knife on wedding night-painful. Circumcised women have lost most or ALL of sexual sensation so I think it's worse. It's done to take away woman's desire-she will not sleep around-no desire. Man still enjoys sex but has lost some sensation but still has a lot. All circumcision is wrong/stupid

[ELSOL102]

There is a hospital I believe in Africa that will reverse this process and they will do it free for women. It is on youtube if you search for it. They try to restore sensation also. Maybe Fatima can get her womanhood back if she wants.

[psandbergnz]

Why don't you American women see the trauma occurring in the USA with the circumcision of 65% of American baby boys?! Although the radical froms of FGM are not anatomically analogous to male circumcision, the ethical principle is the same: my body means my choice!

Non-therapeutic male circumcision removes a large quantity of sexually functional tissue, reducing his sexual potential. It is uncommon in Europe, where parents respect their son's genitals as they respect their daughter's.

[elkehameln]

well said, i fully agree!

[SupHobagg]

all circumcision is wrong, yeah. but women have all the nerve endings of a whole penis in their clitoris...

[psandbergnz]

SupHobagg: true, but then the clitoral tissue descends within her body to contact the vagina (forming the "G spot"), so even if the tip of the clitoris is sliced off(as happens in Moslem countries), she still retains much of her erogenous clitoral tissue. Anatomically, male circumcision is equivalent to removing the clitoral hood and mutilating the inner labia.

But the USA isn't even a third world country, yet it has the ethics of one. I expect better of the USA!

[SupHobagg]

yeah, i agree completely, now that i've thought about it. there's no reason to circumcise anyone =\

[ELSOL102]

I have never found the G spot. There are books written for females to learn how to orgasm so it's hard enough without chopping it off!

[drealgrin]

@SupHobagg no they don't. not even 1/4th of a "whole penis"

[SupHobagg]

@drealgrin

mmm, they don't? okay, how many do we have then? and what're your sources? and to end....cool story, breh. but im fairly sure you're full of shit

[SupHobagg]

@drealgrin

because YouTube is being strange, I'm sorry this isn't a respond to your most recent comment. But ni, it's a FACT the clitoris has MORE nerve endings than the HEAD of a penis. Soo...YES I was incorrect the first time, but on this I'm not.

[puppieeyes223]

@psandbergnz your cutting off a little piece of skin vs the whole damn thing. For males you actually sill get orgasm. With circumcised women it's piratically impossible.

[BeardClam]

Anti-female circumcision is western propaganda against Muslims.

The truth is so called 'mutilation' of female genitals involves the removal of the clitoral hood - which is analogous to the male foreskin. Basically it is a harmless procedure.

Considering USA lets the Jew cut foreskins off boys its hypocrisy that we can't remove the clitoral hood from our Muslim children.

[puppieeyes223]

@BeardClam it's because in male circ. It's perfectly safe and mostly in the hospital after birth. But female it's when they are like 2-6 years old I believe, that they get it done. They remember the pain and it's 96% not in the hospital with no meds like boys. So yes female circ is always wrong.

[BeardClam]

@puppieeyes223

Male circumcision removes 90% of sexual pleasure from a man. It destroyed nerve endings in the foreskin and causes the head of the penis to thicken. How can you justify cutting a baby boys foreskin off?

[drealgrin]

@puppieeyes223 You're telling me it's ok to mutilate a newborn child simply because he won't ever remember it? You're a sickening human being to say that.

Please do more research. If you did you'd find out that ANYWHERE that circumcises girls with a piece of glass also circumcise boys in the same conditions. The difference between MGM and FGM is MGM happens EVERYWHERE.

[puppieeyes223]

@drealgrin, don't call me fucking sick you asshole. Learn how to fucking read. Then talk to me. You read it in a wrong way. So what. You can say my opinion is wrong and I can say your opinion is wrong. Either way it's not going to help any fucking think because it's over the damn internet ON YouTube. I'm sick of talking about "circumcision" get a life. I wrote that like 4-5 months ago.

[drealgrin]

@puppieeyes223 Anyone who thinks it's ok to cut an infants genitalia is a sickening human being :) don't get all hostile about it.

[puppieeyes223]

@drealgrin, who the fuck said i was going to cut off a infants genitalia? Please tell me. Because I didn't. And your sick for calling my sick for no fucking reason what's so ever.

[drealgrin]

@puppieeyes223 well if it doesn't apply to you then you have nothing to be offended about XD

[puppieeyes223]

@drealgrin, well, I don't like being called out of my name. Epically something i'm not. I get very offended.

[drealgrin]

@puppieeyes223 apologies <3

[raelenemelissa]

@psandbergnz

I'm Canadian and can't speak for any other women, but personally I have a lot of trouble stomaching circumcision of boys, and whenever the topic comes up I advocate against it. It's not only the radical forms of fgm that differ. The least radical forms of fgm involve partial or full removal of the clitoris, and I think it's safe to say that that reduces a woman's pleasure FAR more than circumcision in males. Also, the GOAL here is to reduce sexuality, something rarely done to males

[psandbergnz]

@raelenemelissa, your assumption is incorrect that FGM always removes part of the clitoris. See my channel feature video!

There are FOUR main types of FGM (all illegal in western nations) - e.g. refer to Wikipedia. Type 1 FGM may be hoodectomy only (leaving clitoris intact), and type 4 may not even remove tissue. The evidence is that the glans clitoris is far more sensitive than the glans penis, and that the nearest analogue to the clitoris in sensitivity is the tip of the male foreskin.

[drealgrin]

@raelenemelissa the goal has always been to reduce sexual pleasure for both sexes as pertains to circumcision. Not all female circumcisions remove the clitoris. :) please do more research on both issues <3

[raelenemelissa]

@drealgrin

The WHO factsheet on FGM states that removal of only the prepuce is a fairly rare case, and describes type 1 FGM as partial or total removal of the clitoris.

I'm fairly certain that the majority of parents who are getting their sons circumsized in North America do NOT have as a goal the reduction of sexual pleasure.

[drealgrin]

@raelenemelissa Actually you'll hear many people who say "circumcised is better because it reduces sensitivity so the man can last longer" .

But honestly the Severity shouldn't even come into the equation. To say that removal of the clitoris is somehow more damaging than removal of the foreskin is a ludicrous statement. No human being has the right to rank the importance of anyone's body parts except their own. A Male's foreskin is no less important than a Female's clitoris or vice versa.

[SupHobagg]

@drealgrin

yeah but those little girls can bleed to death or have horrible infections...maybe if it was done in a hospital or something it wouldn't be such an issue. FFS grow up

[drealgrin]

@SupHobagg Anyplace that circumcises girls in those conditions circumcises boys under the same conditions. Meaning little boys are also bleeding to death and dying of infections.

Grow up? i wasn't being aggressive to you bro, Just saying where you're wrong. A clitoris only has on average 8 thousand nerves. The foreskin has 20 thousand nerves. Look it up.

[psandbergnz]

@drealgrin, you're right! Even in the USA many baby boys die from circumcision! Mortality from newborn circumcision in USA was investigated in April 1010 by peer-reviewed medical Journal THYMOS, JOURNAL OF BOYHOOD STUDIES. It found last year at least 117 US baby boys died from circumcision (causes: hemorrhage, infection, anesthesia reaction). Virtually all the circumcisions were unnecessary, so the deaths were the result of control-freak parents and a conniving medical profession.

[raelenemelissa]

@drealgrin

Removal of the clitoris is analogous to removal of the entire penis. Try having an orgasm without a clitoris.... WONT HAPPEN. Without a foreskin? Happens all the time. I am, nevertheless, entirely against male circumcision, and do advocate against it whenever given the opportunity.

I think you should quit trolling videos that are being viewed by ALLIES who are against male circumcision. Can't handle a discussion concerning women's issues w/o bringing the focus back to men. typical

[drealgrin]

@raelenemelissa Actually an orgasm without a clitoris is quite possible as the G-Spot still exists.

I'm not trolling, And you'd be very surprised to know how many people view Male Genital Mutilation as "ok" simply because female genital mutilation is worse.

I'm simply making people aware that Female Genital Mutilation is not the only issue at hand. Both are terrible of course, but neither is worse than the other. They are both equally abominable.

[drealgrin]

@raelenemelissa Only when we ban ALL Non-Medical circumcision of infants can we pretend to be on the moral high ground. Criticizing another country because they mutilate baby girls when our own coutnries mutilate baby boys is BS sexist filth.

:)

[sarakaster]

@drealgrin

very stupid comment...

losing your foreskin means NOT to loose your abilitiy to experience orgasms, your ability to experience pleasure that we call sex.

YES, it is important to point out once and for all, that that is MUCH MORE cruel, devastating and dangerous.

So tell me, would you rather loose a little skin at a car accident or half of your penis - your turn.

[drealgrin]

@sarakaster losing your clitoral hood and labia doesn't mean you'll lose your ability to orgasm either. You're comparing apples to oranges. even if you cut off the intrinsically identical parts from the female, it's still completely illegal.

If you were to cut off the similar parts of a girl that you cut off from a boy it's still illegal. Why are girls protected and boys aren't? Why do you people seek to establish that girls are more important than boys?

[psandbergnz]

@raelenemelissa, removal of just the inner labia (which is part of the female prepuce) is perhaps the commonest from of FGM practised in Indonesia and most other Islamic countries. It is claimed to enhance female genital hygiene (as for male circumcision). Frequently the clitoris is left intact. The WHO classifies this as Type 1a and Type 2a FGM. I don't think the WHO have ever stated that this type of FGM is rare. If you claim they have, please QUOTE them.

[raelenemelissa]

@psandbergnz

I can't comment with the URL, but if you google "who fgm fact sheet" it should be the first hit.

" Female genital mutilation is classified into four major types. * Clitoridectomy: partial or total removal of the clitoris (a small, sensitive and erectile part of the female genitals) and, in very rare cases, only the prepuce (the fold of skin surrounding the clitoris). "

Either way, thanks for the additional information, it doesn't particularly change my opinion.

[psandbergnz]

@raelenemelissa, you're right re. the WHO statement. I think the WHO is incorrect in their wording. I've just emailed them for a reference to support their view. My research shows FGM Types 1a & 2a are COMMON. Although glans penis and glans clitoris are analogous, research indicates that nerve DISTRIBUTION may differ between female and male genitals, and that male foreskin is far richer in fine-touch nerves than the glans penis. So the loss from male circumcision may be greater than supposed.

[Routanne]

@psandbergnz I totally agree, why not let parents make boys or girls surgically while they're at it.

[JM12101]

@psandbergnz jeez it's only moving a useless a useless piece of skin big whooph

[psandbergnz]

@JM12101, only North Americans, Jews, Moslems, and African tribes believe that the foreskin is useless. We Europeans, who are almost all intact, have the experience to know better, and we don't hand over perfectly healthy babies for penile cutting.

50% of the USA believes in a "young earth creation" - this is the same percentage as Moslem Turks! USA is a nation of dummies.

Search/google: "foreskin function" or "foreskin anatomy". A penis denuded of its foreskin is semi-functional.

[JM12101]

@psandbergnz ok I did ,all that I found there was it protected the urethra. But the thing is just a small advantage, it is not absolutely neccasary. Also circumsision reduces the risk of std's and it can get easily infected and just as easily removed

[psandbergnz]

@JM12101, foreskin also has a sexual role, which you can search for yourself. There seems to be a common US misapprehension that circumcision curbs STDs. There is no evidence, at least in developed nations, that this holds.

Look, the USA is 80% circ'd. yet STILL manages to have one of the highest incidences of STDs (incl. HIV) out of all the developed nations (As the AAP admits)! STDs are NOT more prevalent in uncircumcised Americans.There isn't a heterosexual HIV epidemic in uncirc'd Europe.

[psandbergnz]

@JM12101, FEMALE foreskin is at least as prone to infection as male foreskin. Urogenital infections are far commoner in women than in men. So, do US mothers get the clitoral hood & inner labia removed from girls as preventive surgery?! Americans cut baby boys because the O.T. urges it (though not the N.T.) - that's why USA picked it up!

IF foreskin gets infected, it's a hygiene warning sign. Men can resolve it with pharmacy medicine, like women do for theirs. Circ'd penis also needs hygiene.

[NaturalGrace]

@psandbergnz Females don't have a foreskin. Also, due to the differences in anatomy, the clitoral hood (as close as you could get to a foreskin) doesn't cover or surround the urethra.

Male circumcision is still wrong, though.

[psandbergnz]

@NaturalGrace, you are not quite correct: women DO have a foreskin (google/search "female foreskin"), although it is usually termed her prepuce. Likewise, male foreskin is the male prepuce. The inner labia (an extension of the clitoral hood) of a female's prepuce surrounds her urethra. Female prepuce comprizes the clitoral hood and inner labia. The less radical types of FGM leave the clitoris intact, removing the inner labia. Hygiene benefits are claimed for FGM and MGM (both are unethical)

[flutestar51]

@psandbergnz That's ridiculous! Women do not have hygiene problems with their natural, normal sex organs. This kind of ignorance is bizarre beyond belief! Women get those kinds of infections because the urethra is so exposed in that area. Cutting away flesh there causes a lot more problems.

[NaturalGrace]

@psandbergnz Lots of American women oppose male circumcision.

[RedrosessNL]

@psandbergnz Bullshit its not even an equal comparisan .. oh sorry for the spelling english is not my native language and i dont want to sound hostile.. but i agree with you that all should have the choice to be cut..... at 18 years old .. but you will have your sexuality and able to have orgasms.. woman mutilated they have there clitoris removed .. they will never enjoy sex ever .. i am bashing you i am not but read some more about the subject then you know ..Kindest regards Rose

[markmywords53]

Female circumcision rocks :-)