I know it's been commented on already but my god...i thought this was such a cool story so I googled them and their farm only to learn those poor people were murdered by their own son,which is shown in the video...how terrible...
We were told the cows should be bred back within a few months of having their calf, to keep them in the "rhythm" of their breeding cycle. Is this true, or is it stressing the cow too much?
We have only two family heifers that will be having their first calves and want to do what is best for them.
does anyone get the irony that Perdue is sponsoring Joel Salatin videos? Joel says, "first they treat you like a lunatic. then they laugh at you. then they fight you. then you win."
Yeah man it's crazy that the couple were murdered by their own son. I was looking up their farm to ask them if they took any interns. I am in shock. They look like really nice people.
I have now made a pledge to never eat KFC, McDonalds, or Burger King ever again. does anyone know any other companies that treat their animals really cruelly
Well all they talked about is the good side of having animals, but what they forgot to mention is that its a 24 hr job every day, your never off work, and that restricts you from doing certain things thruout your life...SO if you like vacations and traveling then farming isnt going to be for you. They did have a nice setup tho, and its good to see that their happy. As for me work doesnt make me happy but it still has to be done. im kinda stuck with it carrying on the ole family tradition.
@firebadger101 did you know the milk of cows (natural and uncooked) can cure all diseases on earth?
A natural cow feeds on wild herbs which are usually medicinal herbs. The bacteria in them is extremely beneficial and yet we sit there and pasteurize the milk.
And I know my previous comment has nothing to do with what I'm writing now. But anyway:
@ScopedOUT2 Wow, that is super interesting. I'll have to look into that. I was raised on milk and drink it regularly to this day. Raw milk would be so great. GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT!
No doubt this is much better than the factory farming system. But I don't think this is the best option. Why they don't show the animals being killed? Why not going vegetarian instead of eating meat? Just questions from a proud vegetarian. Good luck for you all.
@miguelmxdecarvalho At the time that this was filmed, Mr. Jondle invited me to come back for the slaughtering of the chickens. Though I would not have minded watching myself - and I think it is important, as a meat eater, to have a grasp of the complete process, if, for nothing else, out of respect for the animal who gave their life - I didn't feel the general public was ready for such an activity. Time has passed, & I think, if done with respect to the animal, I would film it now.
@cookingupastory "Animal who GAVE their life"??? If I slit your throat and you bled to death would it make sense to say that you GAVE your life or would it make more sense to say I had KILLED you? It doesn't make sense to say someone gave something if they didn't provide it intentionally and voluntarily. Why do you have to dress up killing in such flowery language? If you think killing a healthy animal so they can be eaten can be done with 'respect' I hope you don't have any pets to respect.
@miguelmxdecarvalho Because I was a weak, sickly vegetarian for way too long. Since switching to a Paleo diet I have not been sick, have a better body comp, and have better performance, and strength. Meat raised this way is a natural part of our evolutionary diet.
@miguelmxdecarvalho Why don't you just let people eat what they choose? What are you? A marxist? Humans are omnivorous. Pasture gives you lower input and labor costs in most cases. The problem with a "natural" enviornment is parasites. I would never eat pasture raised animals unless I knew there was some kind of parasite protocol. This also applies to any organic foods which are more harmful than conventional foods.
@miguelmxdecarvalho how could they afford to feed their animals and keep their home if they didn't kill the animals? would you prefer their animals to starve and them to live on the streets? Just a question from a proud omnivore and butcher.
@TheMatt455 Just to answer your question. we don't have any moral obligation to bring so many animals into existence. If bring more animals into existence would be considered a positive thing we should raise mice instead of cows, because cows consume much more resources and are far less efficient than mice. But this is of course a ridiculous example, but just to reply the common assumption that bring a lot of animals into existence is better than bring a few.
@TheMatt455 Continuing my reply...Every animal that we bring into existence should have the right to live until the end and not to suffer. This is where my vegetarianism is grounded. Of course nature works differently, but I am not a natural being only, I am a being with cultural values also. We shouldn't look only to nature in order to discover what is wrong and what is right to eat. We should examine our concious, are reason very carefully. This is why philosophy exists.
@miguelmxdecarvalho well, the animals are in existence now so its too late for your approach of dont breed them. and its part of my philosophy that every creature should have to the right to bang once in their life before they die so eating meat goes well with my beliefs. Also, you're talking about your conscience, not mine. lots of people have no problem killing animals(and that doesn't mean we have problems, though they may be problems to you) so you can avoid meat, fine, but dont be a fascist
@miguelmxdecarvalho : I tried being a vegitarian, but I lacked the energy. Nice idea but we have canine teeth for a reason. :) I think they didn't show slaughter because their is simply no reason to show it. We all know that animals die so that humans eat. Good health and tolerance for those with a different lifestyle to you. :) Loved the video...wish all farms ran this way. Thanks for sharing and happiness to you all!
@wigwamman1 Actually our teeth most closely resemble that of cows. Flat, dull teeth for grinding, and our 'canine's' that you mentioned... are hardly built for ripping into raw flesh. Many herbavores have canine's, but they're dull, like ours.
I'm pretty sure that violates some youtube rules, and it's not what the video is about.
>Why not going vegetarian instead of eating meat?
Because vegetarianism is unnatural and unhealthy. But I'm sure you've already fabricated PLENTY of arguments against common sense to defend your lifestyle by now.
@SigurdHeathen Hi. I already mentioned this in an earlier comment, but I thought I'd say it again. I've been a pure vegetarian since birth. I'm 22 now, but in high school I was rated 1st in perseverence (running) in all 4 classes of all 4 years. I was also the 2nd fastest running in grades 11 and 12. I'm a runner to this day and living a 100% vegetarian lifestyle. I get my protiens from my protien-rich Indian diet. :) But I'm still human, so I eat junkfood too :)
@miguelmxdecarvalho Yup, I've been a pure vegetarian since birth and just don't see the need to kill the animals you raise. It doesn't make sense to me.
Raising meat using this method is way more sustainable than the confinement food In fact, this is the only sustainable way to harvest grass. There is lots of plowing the earth to raise grain crops for your bread. In fact, to build soil without external inputs, you MUST use animals in your practice. Secondly, I know five ex vegetarians for every vegetarian I know. Too many long term health problems. We are hunter gatherers and should eat accordingly.
I think this is Wonderful ! ! ! You are Raising Cows And Animals the Way God Want Us To Raise Them.Eating Non Chemical Fertilized Grass.We need ALL our Farmers to Raise Animals Organically in their environment,instead of the way most are producing them today! I Appreciate Your Effort ! The More Farmers that Follow,The More People Will Be Able To Afford To Buy Healthy Meat.Thank You Very Much ! May God Bless You +In Order To Be Healthy,We Must Eat Healthyly.JESUS LOVES YOU ALL+ + + MildredEP
It takes a some serious money to start up a farm such as this one and I am sure he does not pull in the yearly income he made as a software engineer selling his farm products. Nevertheless, this is an ideal example of what organic farming is all about. Very impressive to say the least.
You have stolen the secret of Argentine meat, the best in the world. Come to Entre Rios in Argentina and you will see a cow raised on sheer nature, combining good care.
"And cattle he has created for you: From them you derive warmth, and numerous benefits, and of their meat you eat. And you have sense of pride and beauty in them as you drive them home in the evening, and as you lead them forth to pasture in the morning. And they carry your heavy loads to lands that you could not reach except with souls distressed: for your Lord is indeed Most Kind, Most Merciful"
Pasture raised, grass fed and humanly treated animals should be the only way america farms. It may cost a little more to buy, but americans health and animal welfare will make up for it 3 fold! My eyes have been opened! I have taken a vow to myself to never buy feed lot, confined animals. Keep up the GREAT work!!! You are wonderful farmers and WONDERFUL people! Much Love to you!
I would be glad to invite the Jondles to my farm/ranch in eastern South Dakota. I think they would be just as suprised as to how the majority of commercial farms are ran.
With that said, at least this is a video promoting animal agriculture.
lol, I know about that. I eat lots of organic food, and when I bring my organic food to work to eat, people laugh, or sneer, or shake their head at me. Some people just don't get it.
It is great to see a return to the right way of raising food.
All life forms deserve a decent living and especially the ones that give up their lives as our food. We need to give them a humane living for their ultimate scrifice.
Thank you for your farm!!! I can't help but notice how healthy and happy your animals look!
One correction.... In the feedlots, you say that they give animal a lot of antibiotics to treat illness. A slight misnomer. They act preventatively as well; since the cows are up to their ankles in feces, they are placed on a diet of antibiotics to keep them "healthy."
God gave us all animals to eat and dominate, this vegan and vegetarian RELIGION doesn't have to be pushed in our faces. There is a cycle to life, you don't have to believe in God or his intentions to understand the cycle of life. The cows on farms like these live out their life to their last day, whether they give milk or not. The male calves are used to make more cows as nature intended. Vegans and vegetarians please go post your comments on your own subjects... like eating fish or sea weed.
That 1 passage in Genesis has caused some trouble. Many claim that, since God gave us dominion over animals and Earth, we should not have to worry about the holocaust we perpetrate on animals or the destruction to the planet (and global warming) that we are undertaking. Believe in God or not, this is the way farms should be, and YES, we SHOULD care about our planet. Now that we know evolution and genetics, and know that animals are our cousins in the tree of life, we should care all the more.
Dominion is not domination. If man's in charge it means we're caretakers. And with food it means that what we take care of takes care of us. If we CAFO wrap our cows in shit, and stuff them full of corn and antibiotics, we wind up eating what they did.
This is very uplifting. My husband and I had a similar farm in St. Helens, Oregon.. being responsible before it was "the thing to do". Natural farming is hard work.. but very rewarding.
Really nice video, couldn't be better. Particlarly enjoyed seeing all those British White cows in the cow herd, and that's a first for me seeing a cows name on their ear tag! I liked that a lot. Do you have to keep the lambs separate from the cow herd?
Beef cattle could be raised sustainably with rotational grazing.Cattle were never meant to eat grain,so that 8:1 grain to beef ratio doesn't really apply.
Food might carry energy. Food from stressed animal might carry stressfull and negative energy and VICE VERSA.
Also idea of MISTREATING COWS that give you milk 'FREE OF COST' ? Yes 'FREE OF COST' because they can live in wild and hav nothing to do over there for HUMANS and live happy and with freedom.
BUT they live in farms and help HUMANS with MILK.
May be tht's why in some cultures COWS are given 'THANKS' by 'WORSHIPPING' them.
Humans ARE meant to eat meat. They are OMNIVORES, just like the bear or racoon. Our digestive system is designed to handle protein that comes from meat, not strictly herbivorous systems like the horse or cow. We only use a little of the fibre we consume, but we use a lot of protein that goes through.
Grass-fed livestock versus the conventional ways of feeding livestock is very interesting in itself. Thanks for posting this video.
@hotblondemakenze Because plants have a few more nutrients that meat lacks. Plus, there aren't the saturated fatty acids that meat and animal fat has. However, conventionally-raised meat is well-known to be far less healthy than home-grown, free-range, grass-fed meat is. It's the same for fruits and vegetables too. Even though I was trying to say that a meat-diet is better than a veggie-diet, you do have a point. Besides, folks eat too much meat anyway. So I digress from this discussion. :)
@hotblondemakenze There is no way to prove that at all. There is a lot more to lifestyle and longevity than what people eat. People who are vegetarians are more likely to excersize, watch their weight, and be more likely to watch their stress levels imo compared to the average person. Genes account more for longevity. If your family has a genetic history of cancer, diabetes, heart disease, or whatever then you can eat all the veggies you want and it still won't amount to squat.
...mostly because they can't even got on anyway. Secondly, downers are put down on farm, without having to put them through more unneeded stress of getting them on the trailer. And downers that do get off the trailer to the feedlot are usually injured on their way to the plant, when the cattle-truck driver doesn't know how many animals to load into each of the compartments on the truck.
Folks who raise cattle and/or animals in general take care to make sure they don't have inhumane...
Well, I grew up on a farm that raised stocker steers from weaning to when they get sent to the feedlot for finishing. I can tell you that the cruelty that you do see are from those who like to post videos of animals that are downers and the folks at the plant that have to deal with these animals to get them to the killing facility. First of all, it's rare to have downers come to slaughter plants, the truckers who have to transport these animals won't even let them on their trucks...
I think it's sad whenever an animal is killed. I really hope they don't send these animals to the big commercial slaughter houses. If people are going to kill animals for food they have an obligation to treat them well like on this farm. Farm animals are as sentient, emotional, and smart as cats, dogs, and horses. But they are often horribly abused on modern farms. What needs to happen is for people to stop eating so much meat, at the very least, and to buy responsibly.
Kudos al production team y Abundant Farm. This highlights rationale for 'naturalistic' production. Antibiotic residues (contained in food animals) don't likely cause resistance. Over-use & over-prescription do. But animals may contain harmful agents (e.g. microbial pathogens, mercury, arsenic, endocrine disruptors, etc); clearly food quality (taste/nutrition) is not positively impacted by concentrated/confined animal feeding operations (i.e. CAFOs). Keep up the good planet,
I have a farm/ranch with mainly small livestock like geese and milk goats, but I do have a few head of cattle. I recently butchered one for meat for my freezer and told one of my old city friends who was horrified. She asked me why I had to kill an animal to get food when I could just go to the grocery store and buy some meat. I had to wonder where she thinks the meat in the store comes from. Is it somehow not an animal because it's packaged so nicely? Hmmm...where does that meat come from?
haha... Community Gardens are becoming pretty popular in the city, parents want their kids to learn where food comes from, the best way to do that, is to buy into a urban garden plot.
My neighbor is a vegetarian, shes never been to a grocery market for produce because she grows all her own food organicaly (uncertified, but whocares, she knows where it comes from), and she lives right across from Toronto's stock exchange
so what their saying is "oh, we read a book and decided to raise a farm that 'humanly' raises animals to be slaughterd" thats real nice. Yah i'm sure the animals are real happy untile they get sent off to be killed. I dont care how "nice" you raise your animals, that does NOT change the proccess of them being inhumainly sluaughterd. And if these ppl cared SOOOOO much about animals, they wouldn't have a farm that breeds them to be killed, they wouldn't have a farm at all.
Apply this to yourself.. Would you rather live a happy life and then one day get hacked to death or live a miserable life and then get hacked to death? I'll take number two every time.
I'm realizing how little the majority of people know about farming/ranching and the well-being of animals. Some people cut hair for a living, some are stock brokers, some raise the food you eat-and in each of these professions, it's in their best interest to do the job right. ALL farmers/ranchers want a healthy crop/animal. So, while the video is charming, please realize agriculture couldn't feed the world if all was done in this expensive "natural" way- please ask if you have questions!
rubbish! And you know that. These tipe of farms could exist perferctly and animal cruelty could be stopped. the problem is, it's all about money and that's why is cheaper to raise animals in factory farms, feed them with antiobiotics and hormons, put them in a small cages, so don't tell me about knowing, you are talking bullshit. And the only proper way to care about animals - is with ''ņatural'' farms - better for humans and animals.
... wouldn't you perhaps classify humans killing another living, breathing, sentient being in order to eat it's dead body parts as being just a tiny bit cruel to the animal being killed? .. xoxo
i totally agree the concentration camp atmosphere of factory farms is even worse than the farm in this video ... but eating meat isn't nature/natural for humans ... xoxo
I'll ignore your poor grammar/cursing though they point out your lack of educational depth. Of course we try to raise our products as economically as possible-we already get accused of contributing to "high" food prices by people like you. But you contradict yourself - using antibiotics or hormones is expensive, so used only when necessary. Please let me know how many animals you've sucessfully raised on a natural farm and how that could be replicated to feed a 6+ billion world population.
Zisonair - fuck yourself, english isn't my native, so whan you will know my language as good as i know yours, than you can judge me, that I have a lack of educational depht. Im not raising animals, but in my country we have lot of successflull natural farms. Thank, you.
My apologies...didn't realize English isn't your native language. You do have a good grasp of one of our most important four-letter words, though;) I think I made the wrong impression; Natural farming is fine if you can afford it...but I do get upset when people assume those who don't do "natural" are automatically cruel to animals. It's like me assuming your lack of English automatically makes you less educated than me. Not a good feeling, huh?
Actually all factory farms are beeing cruel to animals anyway - no animal should live in a pen or so small cage, that they can't even turn around - ALL OF THEIR entire lifes. So what's the name for that kind of treatment? I think it's cruelty.
If you want to feed 6 billion people then the least efficient way to do it is with meat. 70% of the grain in the country goes towards feeding cattle. It also takes 10 lbs of grain to raise a pound of meat. There's a reason why meat was considered a luxury and for years people ate very little of it.
I think you mean hormones - estrogen implants are often used to promote growth. And before you go off on a tangent about "too many hormones in meat", consider this: Non-implanted beef contains 1.3 nanograms of estrogen per serving. Implanted beef contains 1.85 nanograms per serving. Meanwhile, Peas contain 340, Cabbage contains 2000 and Soybean oil contains 170,000 nanograms of estrogen per serving. Source: Dr. Harlan Ritchie, Michigan State University
My comment was for "natural" in general...trying to feed 6+ billion without using technological advances in agriculture is going to be impossible. Those advances have improved feed conversion (no longer 10 lbs per lb of gain) and plant genetics.
I don't disagree with that. Technological advances in food production will be necessary with a growing population. I truly believe though that we haven't exhausted our natural options yet.
An example would be the Chaga at the base of Mount Kilimanjaro. There's a population density there comparable to most metropolitan areas. Yet they live in the middle of dense forest growth. They manage to grow everything they eat within a few yards of where they live.
Sounds wonderful! However, I doubt many of us would be willing to live as the Chaga do. I see they are the wealthiest - of a country ranking 8th poorest in the world. I don't see our (I'm from US) metropolitan areas returning to agrarian lifestyles - as obvious by comments on these few pages, there is a major disconnect between people and their food. Most just think it comes from a grocery store.
I wasn't advocating their lifestyle either. However I do believe it's possible to grow enough to sustain yourself. This is where technology comes in. Hydroponics and solar tech to maximize yield in a small area with very little work from the owner. At least if you live in the city.
What I find amusing though are people in the suburbs that spend hours maintaining lawns with very little utility. It makes me wonder if they spent an equal amount of work towards gardening instead.
At the risk of ostraciziing you from the rest in this thread - I agree with your observations - esp. of suburban lawns...lawns that use more water, pesticide and fertilizer than farmers on a unit to unit comparison.
I do think that the ability to specialize - I pay someone to fix my computer, someone pays me to raise their food - does move a society to a better standard of living, though. I think what we're looking for is a balance, a happy medium.
Nor am I arguing against specialization. What I am fundamentally against is why my food is imported from another country or even 2000 miles away. The argument is that food can't be grown in or near cities but I think it is possible and that it can be economically feasible.
What is ignorant about my comment? Study this subject? I grew up on a 160 acre cattle ranch and now own and operate a small 80 acre operation. I take pride in my work as do other producers. Have you spent an entire afternoon trying to holding up a wobly 90 lb newborn bull calf so he can nurse his mother? Or spent the time and money on necessary medicine to keep your herd from contracting disease that would make them miserable? Didn't think so. So when you want a real-life study, come to my farm.
You only have 80 acres?, you of all people should be all over this type of farming, you can produce on 80 acres what others take 600 or more to produce the same , my friend I am not cutting you down but I do want to inform you about your lack of knowledge about this type of farming, and by the way I grew up hand milking cows and then we got "sophisticated" and bought a milking machine, and as to caring for abandoned or neglected animals, I am sorry to say you dont own those exclusive rights.
Zisonair, stay in your world, you will never see or believe and as for lack of knowledge you have no idea, its not what i "think" its what I know but you won't be confused by the facts so just move on, you will die off just like the other closed minded farmers going out of business. And yes 80 acres will produce more than 600 but not the way you do it obviously, and it is being done by 100s of farmers right now, open your mind and eyes and you can see it, you won't, I am just wasting my time.
And by the way just for your information this has nothing what so ever to do with "natural farming" if you had studied it you would realize how ignorant your comment really is
What exactly is it that you "know"? In my first comment, I talked about "natural" farming and you attacked that but now say that's not what we're discussing. I'm not confused by the "facts" because you haven't given any. Please, enlighten me and quit wasting my time with worthless rhetoric.
if humans never exsisted we wouldn't have any overpopulation problems because noone would be there to breed the cows, deer and rabbits and such are only overpopulated bacause (in our state) they killed all the wolves and they killed a alot of them in most places too. the cows would be eaten by the wolves and so they wouldnt be overpopulated. same goes for other animals. people are just parasites on the earth diseasing and destroying it, thats the sad truth.
I think it's funny the majority of people that are anti meat, at least on the last two pages, all post from sock accounts. It's like they want to scream "Don't eat meat", but aren't committed enough to use their real accounts. If they found a more humane way to raise animals, more power to them. If I wasn't intended to eat meat, then I have the wrong type of teeth in my mouth. If humans were intended to eat plants only, we'd have teeth like cows and not dogs. Bring on the BBQ!!!
Did you know that the Live Earth concert to "save the planet" released more Co2 into the atmosphere than every SUV in America?
Or that estrogen from birth control and "morning after" pills is causing male fish across America to develop female sex organs - and that environmentalists, who are overwhelmingly "pro-choice," have helped cover it up?
why else are animals here,if not to be used by another living thing?I raise pigs,chickens,rabbits,and dairy and boer goats.I hate to take one to be butchered,but that doesn't mean i'm going to stop eating meat.animals would have the same overpopulating problems we have if some of them wasn't eaten, killed,or butchered.My favorite baby goat just died,i cried for 2 hours straight. if he had been butchered,i would have cried and then gotten over it.
You really do not love animals. jesus did not eat meat, remember? And if we are supposed to eat animals, then there would not soy and alternatives. People who get cancer from eating too much meat deserve it. This is an excuse for fat assed Americans to eat more and more food!
It's not the meat that causes cancer. It's the hormones in the meat that causes cancer. The masai eat lots of meat, but have next to no cancer. Their cattle aren't full of hormones.
Oh intelligent, one, they are here for us to enjoy, duh. In the Phillipines they eat dog and we think they are barbarians, but the truth is we think that becuase we have dogs as domesticated pets and we have used for them other than food, see again, because WE have a use for it. It is all about us, becuase eating dogs and cows is the same, don't you think, but we think eating dogs is horrible becuase We don't, again, Americans thinking their way of life is better.
well if the human population was at the level of 150 years ago, then would there be massive problems as we have today? OVERPOPULATION is killing us all...think about it..
how about do a little research as mentioned before. You can get everything you need to be a healthy human being without eating animals. We wouldn't need industrial farming if people wouldn't eat so damn much meat. Do this today. Find a place to eat lunch or dinner and see how many dishes on the menu use dairy or meat products. it's like 90 percent of the menu most of the time. Thats completely unnecessary! It's our faults that industrialized farming can florish. Changes MUST take place.
I wonder if these people worm their animals. He talks about not giving them antibiotics, but he didn't say anything about worming. Because, I had goats for about 5 years, and goats and sheep will go down fast if they have worms and aren't cared for with medication. I guess I understand that he doesn't want to waste the money on meds not needed, but medications do have a place for livestock and all animals.
When he talks about antibiotics I believe he means the standard practice of feeding cattle antibiotics because they get sick from eating grain otherwise. There is almost no objection to giving animals antibiotics if they are legitimately sick. But if what you are feeding them causes them to get sick to the point where you give them antibiotics then it's an issue.
Captain, I thought you were a bit more livestock-savvy than that. Antibiotics are not used to treat internal and external parasites. Insecticides are used for external parasites, and anthelmintics are used for internal parasites. Still, there are withdrawal times when using anthelmintics before an animal is harvested.
Well, I was just simply stating the differences between antibiotics and wormers. Wasn't trying to dispute your arguments about antibiotics, which I do agree with.
I hate to be the one to explain to you that the way they are producing animals. The industry had to move in the direction that it has to maximize the production capability to try to feed our growing population. I'm proud to be part of a industry that is suppling the world with a inexpensive and safe food source. If you don't like it go eat something from mexico were the regulations are almost none existant!!!
That sure is a cute way to raise a very few animals. And is good for a small market. But we could not raise all animals for food like that the cost of meat would sky rocket. it take about ten acres of land to fed a cow a year, so the facts are that no matter how cute it is its ignorant to think that we could raise many animals this way. So its great make your money but the fact is that commercial farms are all that make a difference and all that really matter.
... the reason the price of meat doesn't reflect its true cost (which is many times more than you pay for it) is because of massive government subsidies paid to the meat, dairy and egg industries ...
And its natural. Our ancestors did it and our closest relatives eat meat. Thats right those lovable little chimps go out and hunt and kill other animals.
Man...I wish I had the money to purchase a farm and do something like this. I would love to start a farm...organic crops, grass fed livestock...Hopefully some day, as the food they keep forcing on us at the mega marts is Crap!
these people aren't "farming" ... they are raising other living, sentient beings to kill them and sell and/or eat their dead bodies ... that's freaky no matter how you do it ... it's also the most inefficient way to feed people ... these people could farm organic produce ... they choose, instead, to confine and kill other animals ... it's not a sustainable practice ...
Feedlots are inefficient. On this farm they are eating grasses and acorns. The way animals should be living. Plus efficiency is a relative thing. Animals are protein. They are cases where the most efficient way to get protein is from animals are oppose to plants.
no, efficiency isn't relative ... it takes hundreds of pounds of plant foods and hundreds of gallons of water to produce one pound of animal meat ... that's not relative ... it's inefficient ...
and most americans are suffering from a glut of protein ... as furgivorous herbivores, we aren't designed to consume the enormous excess of protein we do ... & it's the cause of many degenerative diseases ...
What is it with vegetarians that they're always trying to convert other people into their little religion.
It's despicable.
Let people be.
stap0510 5 days ago
I know it's been commented on already but my god...i thought this was such a cool story so I googled them and their farm only to learn those poor people were murdered by their own son,which is shown in the video...how terrible...
abeNpdx 3 weeks ago
1:50 - Is that what a sheep's fur should look like?
stap0510 1 month ago
I'd take Andrew off the "Thanks to" on the credits at the end...
hastingr 1 month ago
We were told the cows should be bred back within a few months of having their calf, to keep them in the "rhythm" of their breeding cycle. Is this true, or is it stressing the cow too much?
We have only two family heifers that will be having their first calves and want to do what is best for them.
Your suggestions would be appreciated.
fortbumper 1 month ago
Amazing! i like to be a farmer!I.m from Romania,who wants to be asociated with me :P!
spynu85 1 month ago
BIG MEAT COMPANYS ONLY CARE ABOUT THE MONEY. I PREFER TO PAY A LITTLE MORE BUT BEE ORGANIC
RockeritoJ 4 months ago
does anyone get the irony that Perdue is sponsoring Joel Salatin videos? Joel says, "first they treat you like a lunatic. then they laugh at you. then they fight you. then you win."
JDL0427 5 months ago
Yeah man it's crazy that the couple were murdered by their own son. I was looking up their farm to ask them if they took any interns. I am in shock. They look like really nice people.
letsphilosophize 6 months ago
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shichyeah 8 months ago
I have now made a pledge to never eat KFC, McDonalds, or Burger King ever again. does anyone know any other companies that treat their animals really cruelly
TXRangers5807 9 months ago
@TXRangers5807 This is the nice shiney "happy" looking side of farming.
Actually, there is nothing humane about eating any animals, whether they come from a normal farm or a very rare farm like this.
They all end up slaughtered.
They all grieve & bellow for their babies who were slaughtered after they gave birth & so that humans can drink their babies milk.
This is their extremely sad inhumane fate
DavinaFaerie 8 months ago 2
Tragically this couple were murdered by their son...search Andrew Jondle.
lmankj 10 months ago
@lmankj wow, are you serious? How do you know?
DavinaFaerie 8 months ago
@DavinaFaerie For real, google Andrew Jondle.
lmankj 8 months ago
Thanks for this video
mattyfresh999 10 months ago
Mmmmmm I want to eat the grass for some reason
jjfrunner 10 months ago
If we let our pigs go into the forest, the coyotes would have dinner!
But this looks like a great farm!!
jolyncornelsen 10 months ago
great inspirational video. thank you.
timeinyourshoes 10 months ago
These two farmers, Scott Jondle and his wife, were murdered by their son last September.
ballersack 11 months ago
@ballersack I thought this was just an internet joke-rumor but wow, wtf!
martydrooo 11 months ago
Well all they talked about is the good side of having animals, but what they forgot to mention is that its a 24 hr job every day, your never off work, and that restricts you from doing certain things thruout your life...SO if you like vacations and traveling then farming isnt going to be for you. They did have a nice setup tho, and its good to see that their happy. As for me work doesnt make me happy but it still has to be done. im kinda stuck with it carrying on the ole family tradition.
sliknutzzzz 11 months ago
grass fed beet is awesome
Meni69 1 year ago
so if I eat grass, will I be better?
ScopedOUT2 1 year ago
@ScopedOUT2 if you are a cow then yes you will lol
firebadger101 1 year ago
@firebadger101 did you know the milk of cows (natural and uncooked) can cure all diseases on earth?
A natural cow feeds on wild herbs which are usually medicinal herbs. The bacteria in them is extremely beneficial and yet we sit there and pasteurize the milk.
And I know my previous comment has nothing to do with what I'm writing now. But anyway:
LOL
ScopedOUT2 1 year ago
@ScopedOUT2 Wow, that is super interesting. I'll have to look into that. I was raised on milk and drink it regularly to this day. Raw milk would be so great. GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT!
DatDereBlueRidge 1 year ago
No doubt this is much better than the factory farming system. But I don't think this is the best option. Why they don't show the animals being killed? Why not going vegetarian instead of eating meat? Just questions from a proud vegetarian. Good luck for you all.
miguelmxdecarvalho 1 year ago
@miguelmxdecarvalho At the time that this was filmed, Mr. Jondle invited me to come back for the slaughtering of the chickens. Though I would not have minded watching myself - and I think it is important, as a meat eater, to have a grasp of the complete process, if, for nothing else, out of respect for the animal who gave their life - I didn't feel the general public was ready for such an activity. Time has passed, & I think, if done with respect to the animal, I would film it now.
cookingupastory 1 year ago 10
@cookingupastory "Animal who GAVE their life"??? If I slit your throat and you bled to death would it make sense to say that you GAVE your life or would it make more sense to say I had KILLED you? It doesn't make sense to say someone gave something if they didn't provide it intentionally and voluntarily. Why do you have to dress up killing in such flowery language? If you think killing a healthy animal so they can be eaten can be done with 'respect' I hope you don't have any pets to respect.
Locrian08 3 days ago
@miguelmxdecarvalho Because I was a weak, sickly vegetarian for way too long. Since switching to a Paleo diet I have not been sick, have a better body comp, and have better performance, and strength. Meat raised this way is a natural part of our evolutionary diet.
sclaysdharma 1 year ago
@miguelmxdecarvalho Why don't you just let people eat what they choose? What are you? A marxist? Humans are omnivorous. Pasture gives you lower input and labor costs in most cases. The problem with a "natural" enviornment is parasites. I would never eat pasture raised animals unless I knew there was some kind of parasite protocol. This also applies to any organic foods which are more harmful than conventional foods.
cowman1970 1 year ago
@miguelmxdecarvalho how could they afford to feed their animals and keep their home if they didn't kill the animals? would you prefer their animals to starve and them to live on the streets? Just a question from a proud omnivore and butcher.
TheMatt455 11 months ago
@TheMatt455 Just to answer your question. we don't have any moral obligation to bring so many animals into existence. If bring more animals into existence would be considered a positive thing we should raise mice instead of cows, because cows consume much more resources and are far less efficient than mice. But this is of course a ridiculous example, but just to reply the common assumption that bring a lot of animals into existence is better than bring a few.
miguelmxdecarvalho 10 months ago
@TheMatt455 Continuing my reply...Every animal that we bring into existence should have the right to live until the end and not to suffer. This is where my vegetarianism is grounded. Of course nature works differently, but I am not a natural being only, I am a being with cultural values also. We shouldn't look only to nature in order to discover what is wrong and what is right to eat. We should examine our concious, are reason very carefully. This is why philosophy exists.
miguelmxdecarvalho 10 months ago
@miguelmxdecarvalho well, the animals are in existence now so its too late for your approach of dont breed them. and its part of my philosophy that every creature should have to the right to bang once in their life before they die so eating meat goes well with my beliefs. Also, you're talking about your conscience, not mine. lots of people have no problem killing animals(and that doesn't mean we have problems, though they may be problems to you) so you can avoid meat, fine, but dont be a fascist
TheMatt455 9 months ago
@miguelmxdecarvalho Totally agreed, I'm a vegan.
the worst most inhumane industry is the dairy milk industry.
Watch "Gary yourofsky's the best speach you'll ever hear"... :0)
DavinaFaerie 8 months ago
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@miguelmxdecarvalho Exactly, this is the nice shiney "happy" looking side of farming.
Actually, there is nothing humane about eating any animals, whether they come from a normal farm or a very rare farm like this.
They all end up slaughtered.
They all grieve & bellow for their babies who were slaughtered after they gave birth & so that humans can drink their babies milk.
This is their extremely sad inhumane fate
DavinaFaerie 8 months ago
@miguelmxdecarvalho : I tried being a vegitarian, but I lacked the energy. Nice idea but we have canine teeth for a reason. :) I think they didn't show slaughter because their is simply no reason to show it. We all know that animals die so that humans eat. Good health and tolerance for those with a different lifestyle to you. :) Loved the video...wish all farms ran this way. Thanks for sharing and happiness to you all!
wigwamman1 6 months ago
@wigwamman1 Actually our teeth most closely resemble that of cows. Flat, dull teeth for grinding, and our 'canine's' that you mentioned... are hardly built for ripping into raw flesh. Many herbavores have canine's, but they're dull, like ours.
angelinarai 2 months ago
@miguelmxdecarvalho
>Why they don't show the animals being killed?
I'm pretty sure that violates some youtube rules, and it's not what the video is about.
>Why not going vegetarian instead of eating meat?
Because vegetarianism is unnatural and unhealthy. But I'm sure you've already fabricated PLENTY of arguments against common sense to defend your lifestyle by now.
SigurdHeathen 6 months ago
@SigurdHeathen Hi. I already mentioned this in an earlier comment, but I thought I'd say it again. I've been a pure vegetarian since birth. I'm 22 now, but in high school I was rated 1st in perseverence (running) in all 4 classes of all 4 years. I was also the 2nd fastest running in grades 11 and 12. I'm a runner to this day and living a 100% vegetarian lifestyle. I get my protiens from my protien-rich Indian diet. :) But I'm still human, so I eat junkfood too :)
angelinarai 2 months ago
@miguelmxdecarvalho Yup, I've been a pure vegetarian since birth and just don't see the need to kill the animals you raise. It doesn't make sense to me.
angelinarai 2 months ago
@miguelmxdecarvalho
Raising meat using this method is way more sustainable than the confinement food In fact, this is the only sustainable way to harvest grass. There is lots of plowing the earth to raise grain crops for your bread. In fact, to build soil without external inputs, you MUST use animals in your practice. Secondly, I know five ex vegetarians for every vegetarian I know. Too many long term health problems. We are hunter gatherers and should eat accordingly.
hastingr 1 month ago
RIP Scott & Marilyn.
heyerstandards 1 year ago 3
I think this is Wonderful ! ! ! You are Raising Cows And Animals the Way God Want Us To Raise Them.Eating Non Chemical Fertilized Grass.We need ALL our Farmers to Raise Animals Organically in their environment,instead of the way most are producing them today! I Appreciate Your Effort ! The More Farmers that Follow,The More People Will Be Able To Afford To Buy Healthy Meat.Thank You Very Much ! May God Bless You +In Order To Be Healthy,We Must Eat Healthyly.JESUS LOVES YOU ALL+ + + MildredEP
mildredepk 1 year ago
It takes a some serious money to start up a farm such as this one and I am sure he does not pull in the yearly income he made as a software engineer selling his farm products. Nevertheless, this is an ideal example of what organic farming is all about. Very impressive to say the least.
MrCumulonimbus100 1 year ago
nice! the farmer has such a calm voice, that tells you he's happy
delivererx 1 year ago 2
I'm sure those are MIGHTY tasty piggies- they're doing it as it should be done.
LilyISay 1 year ago 2
You have stolen the secret of Argentine meat, the best in the world. Come to Entre Rios in Argentina and you will see a cow raised on sheer nature, combining good care.
swaingles 1 year ago
exellent
zaibullahkhan 1 year ago
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"And cattle he has created for you: From them you derive warmth, and numerous benefits, and of their meat you eat. And you have sense of pride and beauty in them as you drive them home in the evening, and as you lead them forth to pasture in the morning. And they carry your heavy loads to lands that you could not reach except with souls distressed: for your Lord is indeed Most Kind, Most Merciful"
[Holy Qur'aan16:5-8]
Antidote54 1 year ago
Pasture raised, grass fed and humanly treated animals should be the only way america farms. It may cost a little more to buy, but americans health and animal welfare will make up for it 3 fold! My eyes have been opened! I have taken a vow to myself to never buy feed lot, confined animals. Keep up the GREAT work!!! You are wonderful farmers and WONDERFUL people! Much Love to you!
8gina 2 years ago 21
As Michael Pollan says, you can vote with your fork 3 times a day!
cookingupastory 2 years ago 6
@8gina
Agreed...and If it were the only way we farmed, it might even be cheaper.
funingrass 1 month ago
I would be glad to invite the Jondles to my farm/ranch in eastern South Dakota. I think they would be just as suprised as to how the majority of commercial farms are ran.
With that said, at least this is a video promoting animal agriculture.
fastfarmer00 2 years ago
Very encouraging!
mashhammer 2 years ago
Try Pinzgauer Beef, it is a natural grass feed beef, I love them..........
Pauly
belviderebeef 2 years ago
Very nice operation
SAMMY32323232 2 years ago 3
I eventually want to become an organic farmer. You wouldn't believe the sneers and laughs I get from people when I reveal this fact.
cellulitelove 2 years ago
same here
mrlmchoylifut 2 years ago
lol, I know about that. I eat lots of organic food, and when I bring my organic food to work to eat, people laugh, or sneer, or shake their head at me. Some people just don't get it.
torofighter 2 years ago 3
You should be the one laughing, it usually tastes much better.
nameUnavailab1e 2 years ago 2
It is great to see a return to the right way of raising food.
All life forms deserve a decent living and especially the ones that give up their lives as our food. We need to give them a humane living for their ultimate scrifice.
puggychu 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this video. I might become a farmer someday.
Frederm 2 years ago
This is a lovely place that I would like to work part time, and I would choose that over pushing carraiges at a supermarket.
JDonahue79 2 years ago
Thank you for your farm!!! I can't help but notice how healthy and happy your animals look!
One correction.... In the feedlots, you say that they give animal a lot of antibiotics to treat illness. A slight misnomer. They act preventatively as well; since the cows are up to their ankles in feces, they are placed on a diet of antibiotics to keep them "healthy."
studio3300 2 years ago
God gave us all animals to eat and dominate, this vegan and vegetarian RELIGION doesn't have to be pushed in our faces. There is a cycle to life, you don't have to believe in God or his intentions to understand the cycle of life. The cows on farms like these live out their life to their last day, whether they give milk or not. The male calves are used to make more cows as nature intended. Vegans and vegetarians please go post your comments on your own subjects... like eating fish or sea weed.
graceg1971 2 years ago
That 1 passage in Genesis has caused some trouble. Many claim that, since God gave us dominion over animals and Earth, we should not have to worry about the holocaust we perpetrate on animals or the destruction to the planet (and global warming) that we are undertaking. Believe in God or not, this is the way farms should be, and YES, we SHOULD care about our planet. Now that we know evolution and genetics, and know that animals are our cousins in the tree of life, we should care all the more.
studio3300 2 years ago
Dominion is not domination. If man's in charge it means we're caretakers. And with food it means that what we take care of takes care of us. If we CAFO wrap our cows in shit, and stuff them full of corn and antibiotics, we wind up eating what they did.
YTGekigami 2 years ago
Hahahah yea I'd HATE to have corn and antibiotics in my system.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
This is very uplifting. My husband and I had a similar farm in St. Helens, Oregon.. being responsible before it was "the thing to do". Natural farming is hard work.. but very rewarding.
cloudzbabe 2 years ago
lol 4:17
wiiman247 2 years ago
Really nice video, couldn't be better. Particlarly enjoyed seeing all those British White cows in the cow herd, and that's a first for me seeing a cows name on their ear tag! I liked that a lot. Do you have to keep the lambs separate from the cow herd?
jwest660 2 years ago
Beef cattle could be raised sustainably with rotational grazing.Cattle were never meant to eat grain,so that 8:1 grain to beef ratio doesn't really apply.
namniekib 2 years ago
Is this that farm that got their house busted into by SWAT with guns drawn over whole milk?
wunderweapon 3 years ago
Aww, I don't eat much beef any more but i hope if i eat a burger in the next couple months it came from one of those cows. :)
ziberteck 3 years ago
Generally, you buy this kind of beef directly from the farmer.
MariAnKenobi 2 years ago
excellent video! You guys truly are an inspiration!!
eatenbytheworms 3 years ago
Food might carry energy. Food from stressed animal might carry stressfull and negative energy and VICE VERSA.
Also idea of MISTREATING COWS that give you milk 'FREE OF COST' ? Yes 'FREE OF COST' because they can live in wild and hav nothing to do over there for HUMANS and live happy and with freedom.
BUT they live in farms and help HUMANS with MILK.
May be tht's why in some cultures COWS are given 'THANKS' by 'WORSHIPPING' them.
WORSHIPPING COWS IS THX GIVING ACCORDING 2 ME
MrSunny29 3 years ago
Cool Video. Thanks for sharing!
apks2004 3 years ago
...conditions for the animals that live in them.
Humans ARE meant to eat meat. They are OMNIVORES, just like the bear or racoon. Our digestive system is designed to handle protein that comes from meat, not strictly herbivorous systems like the horse or cow. We only use a little of the fibre we consume, but we use a lot of protein that goes through.
Grass-fed livestock versus the conventional ways of feeding livestock is very interesting in itself. Thanks for posting this video.
IluvABbeef 3 years ago 9
@IluvABbeef Then why is it a proven fact that vegetarians live longer, and are healthier, than meat eaters?
hotblondemakenze 1 year ago
@hotblondemakenze Because plants have a few more nutrients that meat lacks. Plus, there aren't the saturated fatty acids that meat and animal fat has. However, conventionally-raised meat is well-known to be far less healthy than home-grown, free-range, grass-fed meat is. It's the same for fruits and vegetables too. Even though I was trying to say that a meat-diet is better than a veggie-diet, you do have a point. Besides, folks eat too much meat anyway. So I digress from this discussion. :)
IluvABbeef 1 year ago
@IluvABbeef Food needs to be balanced. A little bit of everything is important.
cowman1970 1 year ago
@hotblondemakenze There is no way to prove that at all. There is a lot more to lifestyle and longevity than what people eat. People who are vegetarians are more likely to excersize, watch their weight, and be more likely to watch their stress levels imo compared to the average person. Genes account more for longevity. If your family has a genetic history of cancer, diabetes, heart disease, or whatever then you can eat all the veggies you want and it still won't amount to squat.
cowman1970 1 year ago
...mostly because they can't even got on anyway. Secondly, downers are put down on farm, without having to put them through more unneeded stress of getting them on the trailer. And downers that do get off the trailer to the feedlot are usually injured on their way to the plant, when the cattle-truck driver doesn't know how many animals to load into each of the compartments on the truck.
Folks who raise cattle and/or animals in general take care to make sure they don't have inhumane...
IluvABbeef 3 years ago
Well, I grew up on a farm that raised stocker steers from weaning to when they get sent to the feedlot for finishing. I can tell you that the cruelty that you do see are from those who like to post videos of animals that are downers and the folks at the plant that have to deal with these animals to get them to the killing facility. First of all, it's rare to have downers come to slaughter plants, the truckers who have to transport these animals won't even let them on their trucks...
IluvABbeef 3 years ago
I love this video I am gona sub thanks for posting xox jen
angelwingz286 3 years ago
I think it's sad whenever an animal is killed. I really hope they don't send these animals to the big commercial slaughter houses. If people are going to kill animals for food they have an obligation to treat them well like on this farm. Farm animals are as sentient, emotional, and smart as cats, dogs, and horses. But they are often horribly abused on modern farms. What needs to happen is for people to stop eating so much meat, at the very least, and to buy responsibly.
wakebreakers 3 years ago
Id like to do that
mikem1027 3 years ago 2
Kudos al production team y Abundant Farm. This highlights rationale for 'naturalistic' production. Antibiotic residues (contained in food animals) don't likely cause resistance. Over-use & over-prescription do. But animals may contain harmful agents (e.g. microbial pathogens, mercury, arsenic, endocrine disruptors, etc); clearly food quality (taste/nutrition) is not positively impacted by concentrated/confined animal feeding operations (i.e. CAFOs). Keep up the good planet,
-Huckleberry Fox
huckleberryfox 3 years ago
I have a farm/ranch with mainly small livestock like geese and milk goats, but I do have a few head of cattle. I recently butchered one for meat for my freezer and told one of my old city friends who was horrified. She asked me why I had to kill an animal to get food when I could just go to the grocery store and buy some meat. I had to wonder where she thinks the meat in the store comes from. Is it somehow not an animal because it's packaged so nicely? Hmmm...where does that meat come from?
HighPlainsWoman 3 years ago 3
haha... Community Gardens are becoming pretty popular in the city, parents want their kids to learn where food comes from, the best way to do that, is to buy into a urban garden plot.
My neighbor is a vegetarian, shes never been to a grocery market for produce because she grows all her own food organicaly (uncertified, but whocares, she knows where it comes from), and she lives right across from Toronto's stock exchange
kenyam101 3 years ago
so what their saying is "oh, we read a book and decided to raise a farm that 'humanly' raises animals to be slaughterd" thats real nice. Yah i'm sure the animals are real happy untile they get sent off to be killed. I dont care how "nice" you raise your animals, that does NOT change the proccess of them being inhumainly sluaughterd. And if these ppl cared SOOOOO much about animals, they wouldn't have a farm that breeds them to be killed, they wouldn't have a farm at all.
lizzz1992 3 years ago
Apply this to yourself.. Would you rather live a happy life and then one day get hacked to death or live a miserable life and then get hacked to death? I'll take number two every time.
peterssachs 3 years ago
Er, I mean Number one.. (Dohh!!)
peterssachs 3 years ago
There was a part in The Omnivore's Dilemma that said there was no panic when cattle are led to slaughter.
Pop in the head with a pneumatic bolt and Bob's your uncle.
Just what it said.
dicksatan 2 years ago
I'm realizing how little the majority of people know about farming/ranching and the well-being of animals. Some people cut hair for a living, some are stock brokers, some raise the food you eat-and in each of these professions, it's in their best interest to do the job right. ALL farmers/ranchers want a healthy crop/animal. So, while the video is charming, please realize agriculture couldn't feed the world if all was done in this expensive "natural" way- please ask if you have questions!
Zisonair 3 years ago
rubbish! And you know that. These tipe of farms could exist perferctly and animal cruelty could be stopped. the problem is, it's all about money and that's why is cheaper to raise animals in factory farms, feed them with antiobiotics and hormons, put them in a small cages, so don't tell me about knowing, you are talking bullshit. And the only proper way to care about animals - is with ''ņatural'' farms - better for humans and animals.
Greenvalds 3 years ago
... wouldn't you perhaps classify humans killing another living, breathing, sentient being in order to eat it's dead body parts as being just a tiny bit cruel to the animal being killed? .. xoxo
lisaviger 3 years ago
Eating meat - that's nature. But to raise an animal like in a holocaust camp - that's cruel - like the farmers do in factory farms.
I'm glad there is still natural way of farming.
Greenvalds 3 years ago
i totally agree the concentration camp atmosphere of factory farms is even worse than the farm in this video ... but eating meat isn't nature/natural for humans ... xoxo
lisaviger 3 years ago
1.Humans are omnivores[we eat plants & meats] :)
..but it IS natural for humans to eat meat. It's supposed to be part of our diets.. a lot of people just... kinda, take that a little too far. xD;
Ita88 3 years ago
I'll ignore your poor grammar/cursing though they point out your lack of educational depth. Of course we try to raise our products as economically as possible-we already get accused of contributing to "high" food prices by people like you. But you contradict yourself - using antibiotics or hormones is expensive, so used only when necessary. Please let me know how many animals you've sucessfully raised on a natural farm and how that could be replicated to feed a 6+ billion world population.
Zisonair 3 years ago
Zisonair - fuck yourself, english isn't my native, so whan you will know my language as good as i know yours, than you can judge me, that I have a lack of educational depht. Im not raising animals, but in my country we have lot of successflull natural farms. Thank, you.
Greenvalds 3 years ago
My apologies...didn't realize English isn't your native language. You do have a good grasp of one of our most important four-letter words, though;) I think I made the wrong impression; Natural farming is fine if you can afford it...but I do get upset when people assume those who don't do "natural" are automatically cruel to animals. It's like me assuming your lack of English automatically makes you less educated than me. Not a good feeling, huh?
Zisonair 3 years ago
Actually all factory farms are beeing cruel to animals anyway - no animal should live in a pen or so small cage, that they can't even turn around - ALL OF THEIR entire lifes. So what's the name for that kind of treatment? I think it's cruelty.
Greenvalds 3 years ago
If you want to feed 6 billion people then the least efficient way to do it is with meat. 70% of the grain in the country goes towards feeding cattle. It also takes 10 lbs of grain to raise a pound of meat. There's a reason why meat was considered a luxury and for years people ate very little of it.
captainspirou 3 years ago
in addition to the illness issues, antibiotics are fed to all "food" animals because they promote excessive growth ...
lisaviger 3 years ago
I think you mean hormones - estrogen implants are often used to promote growth. And before you go off on a tangent about "too many hormones in meat", consider this: Non-implanted beef contains 1.3 nanograms of estrogen per serving. Implanted beef contains 1.85 nanograms per serving. Meanwhile, Peas contain 340, Cabbage contains 2000 and Soybean oil contains 170,000 nanograms of estrogen per serving. Source: Dr. Harlan Ritchie, Michigan State University
Zisonair 3 years ago
My comment was for "natural" in general...trying to feed 6+ billion without using technological advances in agriculture is going to be impossible. Those advances have improved feed conversion (no longer 10 lbs per lb of gain) and plant genetics.
Zisonair 3 years ago
I don't disagree with that. Technological advances in food production will be necessary with a growing population. I truly believe though that we haven't exhausted our natural options yet.
An example would be the Chaga at the base of Mount Kilimanjaro. There's a population density there comparable to most metropolitan areas. Yet they live in the middle of dense forest growth. They manage to grow everything they eat within a few yards of where they live.
captainspirou 3 years ago
Sounds wonderful! However, I doubt many of us would be willing to live as the Chaga do. I see they are the wealthiest - of a country ranking 8th poorest in the world. I don't see our (I'm from US) metropolitan areas returning to agrarian lifestyles - as obvious by comments on these few pages, there is a major disconnect between people and their food. Most just think it comes from a grocery store.
Zisonair 3 years ago
I wasn't advocating their lifestyle either. However I do believe it's possible to grow enough to sustain yourself. This is where technology comes in. Hydroponics and solar tech to maximize yield in a small area with very little work from the owner. At least if you live in the city.
What I find amusing though are people in the suburbs that spend hours maintaining lawns with very little utility. It makes me wonder if they spent an equal amount of work towards gardening instead.
captainspirou 3 years ago 2
At the risk of ostraciziing you from the rest in this thread - I agree with your observations - esp. of suburban lawns...lawns that use more water, pesticide and fertilizer than farmers on a unit to unit comparison.
I do think that the ability to specialize - I pay someone to fix my computer, someone pays me to raise their food - does move a society to a better standard of living, though. I think what we're looking for is a balance, a happy medium.
Zisonair 3 years ago 3
Nor am I arguing against specialization. What I am fundamentally against is why my food is imported from another country or even 2000 miles away. The argument is that food can't be grown in or near cities but I think it is possible and that it can be economically feasible.
captainspirou 3 years ago
It's sustainable the way they're doing it. It's more 'natural' but not by any means nature.
Done right, soil is actually ADDED rather than depleted.
Less energy costs used than industrial farming.
dicksatan 2 years ago
Please dont show your ignorance Zisonair, you obviously havent done any study on this subject, and you better do some with that kind of comment
tejanoroo 3 years ago
What is ignorant about my comment? Study this subject? I grew up on a 160 acre cattle ranch and now own and operate a small 80 acre operation. I take pride in my work as do other producers. Have you spent an entire afternoon trying to holding up a wobly 90 lb newborn bull calf so he can nurse his mother? Or spent the time and money on necessary medicine to keep your herd from contracting disease that would make them miserable? Didn't think so. So when you want a real-life study, come to my farm.
Zisonair 3 years ago
You only have 80 acres?, you of all people should be all over this type of farming, you can produce on 80 acres what others take 600 or more to produce the same , my friend I am not cutting you down but I do want to inform you about your lack of knowledge about this type of farming, and by the way I grew up hand milking cows and then we got "sophisticated" and bought a milking machine, and as to caring for abandoned or neglected animals, I am sorry to say you dont own those exclusive rights.
tejanoroo 3 years ago
You think 80 acres, farmed "naturally" can produce the same as 600? Really? And I have a lack of knowledge...
Zisonair 3 years ago
Zisonair, stay in your world, you will never see or believe and as for lack of knowledge you have no idea, its not what i "think" its what I know but you won't be confused by the facts so just move on, you will die off just like the other closed minded farmers going out of business. And yes 80 acres will produce more than 600 but not the way you do it obviously, and it is being done by 100s of farmers right now, open your mind and eyes and you can see it, you won't, I am just wasting my time.
tejanoroo 3 years ago
And by the way just for your information this has nothing what so ever to do with "natural farming" if you had studied it you would realize how ignorant your comment really is
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tejanoroo 3 years ago
What exactly is it that you "know"? In my first comment, I talked about "natural" farming and you attacked that but now say that's not what we're discussing. I'm not confused by the "facts" because you haven't given any. Please, enlighten me and quit wasting my time with worthless rhetoric.
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BagOfEyebrows 3 years ago
if humans never exsisted we wouldn't have any overpopulation problems because noone would be there to breed the cows, deer and rabbits and such are only overpopulated bacause (in our state) they killed all the wolves and they killed a alot of them in most places too. the cows would be eaten by the wolves and so they wouldnt be overpopulated. same goes for other animals. people are just parasites on the earth diseasing and destroying it, thats the sad truth.
Kyrist 3 years ago
than leave!!!
jaymrob99 3 years ago
Well we were created and the Earth was a gift for us, sadly we have made poor choices over time but the number 1 rule is humans come 1st here.
ziberteck 3 years ago
this iz rubbish!!!
touchmesisterz 3 years ago
too cute ):
VoodooPuppetz 3 years ago
Hi pig ! D'oh !
HomerSimpsonOfficial 3 years ago
:D...okyly dokyly
sgstandard61 3 years ago
I think it's funny the majority of people that are anti meat, at least on the last two pages, all post from sock accounts. It's like they want to scream "Don't eat meat", but aren't committed enough to use their real accounts. If they found a more humane way to raise animals, more power to them. If I wasn't intended to eat meat, then I have the wrong type of teeth in my mouth. If humans were intended to eat plants only, we'd have teeth like cows and not dogs. Bring on the BBQ!!!
MirroringTruth 3 years ago
in fact we can eat everything, like pigs
we have both kinds of teeth
derBUmann 3 years ago
THE QUESTION IS NOT "CAN THEY TALK? CAN THEY THINK?"
THE QUESTION IS: THEY SUFFER!
I guess everyone should think about it and stop with this selfish murderer thing! Now!
We don't need animals products to live! And can live better without this killer thing!
Think about it!
lauragalvaoo 3 years ago 7
yeww no how animal populated this world wud be if ppl never ever
dani091995 3 years ago
Did you know that the Live Earth concert to "save the planet" released more Co2 into the atmosphere than every SUV in America?
Or that estrogen from birth control and "morning after" pills is causing male fish across America to develop female sex organs - and that environmentalists, who are overwhelmingly "pro-choice," have helped cover it up?
mwspruvn 3 years ago
why else are animals here,if not to be used by another living thing?I raise pigs,chickens,rabbits,and dairy and boer goats.I hate to take one to be butchered,but that doesn't mean i'm going to stop eating meat.animals would have the same overpopulating problems we have if some of them wasn't eaten, killed,or butchered.My favorite baby goat just died,i cried for 2 hours straight. if he had been butchered,i would have cried and then gotten over it.
katiedeckard123 3 years ago
You really do not love animals. jesus did not eat meat, remember? And if we are supposed to eat animals, then there would not soy and alternatives. People who get cancer from eating too much meat deserve it. This is an excuse for fat assed Americans to eat more and more food!
Irishmodel78 3 years ago
It's not the meat that causes cancer. It's the hormones in the meat that causes cancer. The masai eat lots of meat, but have next to no cancer. Their cattle aren't full of hormones.
westphalianprinz 3 years ago 2
Oh intelligent, one, they are here for us to enjoy, duh. In the Phillipines they eat dog and we think they are barbarians, but the truth is we think that becuase we have dogs as domesticated pets and we have used for them other than food, see again, because WE have a use for it. It is all about us, becuase eating dogs and cows is the same, don't you think, but we think eating dogs is horrible becuase We don't, again, Americans thinking their way of life is better.
Irishmodel78 3 years ago 3
no tengo ni idea puede que si
miaupolo 3 years ago
thanks for that interesting comment.
ZakArnold 3 years ago
well if the human population was at the level of 150 years ago, then would there be massive problems as we have today? OVERPOPULATION is killing us all...think about it..
nodseveer 3 years ago 4
MEAT IS MURDER
cleahnh 3 years ago
how about do a little research as mentioned before. You can get everything you need to be a healthy human being without eating animals. We wouldn't need industrial farming if people wouldn't eat so damn much meat. Do this today. Find a place to eat lunch or dinner and see how many dishes on the menu use dairy or meat products. it's like 90 percent of the menu most of the time. Thats completely unnecessary! It's our faults that industrialized farming can florish. Changes MUST take place.
djende79 3 years ago
sperm
Belzarac 3 years ago 3
I wonder if these people worm their animals. He talks about not giving them antibiotics, but he didn't say anything about worming. Because, I had goats for about 5 years, and goats and sheep will go down fast if they have worms and aren't cared for with medication. I guess I understand that he doesn't want to waste the money on meds not needed, but medications do have a place for livestock and all animals.
iRIDE2010 3 years ago
When he talks about antibiotics I believe he means the standard practice of feeding cattle antibiotics because they get sick from eating grain otherwise. There is almost no objection to giving animals antibiotics if they are legitimately sick. But if what you are feeding them causes them to get sick to the point where you give them antibiotics then it's an issue.
captainspirou 3 years ago
Captain, I thought you were a bit more livestock-savvy than that. Antibiotics are not used to treat internal and external parasites. Insecticides are used for external parasites, and anthelmintics are used for internal parasites. Still, there are withdrawal times when using anthelmintics before an animal is harvested.
IluvABbeef 2 years ago
I don't see the conflict in what I said.
captainspirou 2 years ago
Well, I was just simply stating the differences between antibiotics and wormers. Wasn't trying to dispute your arguments about antibiotics, which I do agree with.
IluvABbeef 2 years ago
you are god! i praise u! this is amazing! please keep it up!
ExPo90210 3 years ago
RANDOM!?! CUTE DUCKIEEEESSS =D
amanda366 3 years ago
I hate to be the one to explain to you that the way they are producing animals. The industry had to move in the direction that it has to maximize the production capability to try to feed our growing population. I'm proud to be part of a industry that is suppling the world with a inexpensive and safe food source. If you don't like it go eat something from mexico were the regulations are almost none existant!!!
jaymrob99 3 years ago
From pen to pot or from field to pot. I am sure that the hogs would reject both , given the chance.
samdon815 3 years ago
That sure is a cute way to raise a very few animals. And is good for a small market. But we could not raise all animals for food like that the cost of meat would sky rocket. it take about ten acres of land to fed a cow a year, so the facts are that no matter how cute it is its ignorant to think that we could raise many animals this way. So its great make your money but the fact is that commercial farms are all that make a difference and all that really matter.
trebelosu 3 years ago
... the reason the price of meat doesn't reflect its true cost (which is many times more than you pay for it) is because of massive government subsidies paid to the meat, dairy and egg industries ...
lisaviger 3 years ago
This is the CONVENTIONAL way of thinking. The more intensive management, non conventional way of grazing reduces this number to half that.
IluvABbeef 2 years ago
thats really cool!!
fragileliving 3 years ago
I'll bet the antibiotics in food are making people more susceptible to cannabilis, too.
The1ByTheSea 3 years ago
I'll bet the antibiotics in food are making people more susceptible to candidiasis, too
No they are just making them really stupid ..
The1ByTheSea 3 years ago
I'll bet the antibiotics in food are making people more susceptible to candidiasis, too.
venuspluto67 3 years ago
meet is murder!
riada1990 3 years ago
Hmmm...surely it's not a crime to meet someone?
CastroLIsSnakeOil 3 years ago
well i dont think your smart enough for a opinion its spelled meat u fucking douch
shortymoore07 3 years ago 2
And its natural. Our ancestors did it and our closest relatives eat meat. Thats right those lovable little chimps go out and hunt and kill other animals.
HGTheory 3 years ago
Man...I wish I had the money to purchase a farm and do something like this. I would love to start a farm...organic crops, grass fed livestock...Hopefully some day, as the food they keep forcing on us at the mega marts is Crap!
TIAAVENDEALANTIN 3 years ago
i wanna be a: HILLBILLY!
Kamianek 3 years ago
these people aren't "farming" ... they are raising other living, sentient beings to kill them and sell and/or eat their dead bodies ... that's freaky no matter how you do it ... it's also the most inefficient way to feed people ... these people could farm organic produce ... they choose, instead, to confine and kill other animals ... it's not a sustainable practice ...
lisaviger 3 years ago
Feedlots are inefficient. On this farm they are eating grasses and acorns. The way animals should be living. Plus efficiency is a relative thing. Animals are protein. They are cases where the most efficient way to get protein is from animals are oppose to plants.
captainspirou 3 years ago
no, efficiency isn't relative ... it takes hundreds of pounds of plant foods and hundreds of gallons of water to produce one pound of animal meat ... that's not relative ... it's inefficient ...
and most americans are suffering from a glut of protein ... as furgivorous herbivores, we aren't designed to consume the enormous excess of protein we do ... & it's the cause of many degenerative diseases ...
lisaviger 3 years ago