Yes you are right... and the tech and the clothes are rong. As you pionted out, they have gone to so much touble exsplaning how they got to that point in time, but if you look closely at the space threads you will notice that they are wearing soccer shirts. What happend to the crush cotten tops?. There was no sign of breathable, hexagon, spots fabric in the OS. All that was missing was the Nike embalm. The sets all looked a little to high tech as well. Why no retro 1960s red work stations?
This Star Trek was like : Luke Skywalker going back in time to make sweet love to Shmi Skywalker and by doing so becoming his own grand father .............
What irks me most is like you said, the movie basically smashed every episode of every series (except Enterprise) into a thousand pieces. It's kind of a giant middle finger to those who have been loyal viewers for years.
@leonardnimoylover1 "i thought it was really good." Then I guess you were mistaken. Good films have a story with either 1 or 2 tinny plot holes or none at all. The new Trek had at least 30 plot holes; I counted them. It also had Character holes and I’m not referring to them not fitting the original versions of themselves. Vulcans claim to have their emotions under wraps in the film but every time we see a Vulcan they are insulting people, snogging people or hitting people...
@leonardnimoylover1 Uhura can’t make up her mind if she is a prude, bad ass, helpless damsel, sick bitch, slut, or lover. McCoy claims to be a Doctor when we meet him yet he needs to go through the Academy and he still did not learn to check medical records before administering drugs to his best friend. Pike keeps jumping from wise leader to total push over. Nero jumps between over emotional killer & the universes most patient villain...
@leonardnimoylover1 Scotty is both a super genius and the dumbest engineer of all times (even today). The helmsman of the flag ship can't fly. Even the plot devices can't make up their minds as to how to behave. The turbo lifts are lightning speed between 15 levels in one scene then the next they take 8 minutes to go 6 levels. Hover Bikes can't out run primitive sports cars. Finally Black Holes can't make up their minds if they are time worm holes or dead ends...
@leonardnimoylover1 Old Spock is first worried about screwing up the time line even more then does not give a shit if it ever gets fixed. Young Spock can't figure out that Kirk used a virus to cheat but instantly knows how to fly a ship 100 years more advanced then he has ever seen. There are over 100 more problems with STXI; there is just no room to write them all.
@Trekfreek - Robert April was the captain of the then EXPERIMENTAL USS Enterprise and Kirk's father was "drafted" to be the Science Officer for the secret mission. But again, this was in a book and therefore not considered official ST history, but while you are correct about Codose and Sam Kirk I reiterate that Kirk's MOTHER was NEVER on any starship!
@gakabler I stick to what the shows says and what Gene Roddenberry said. Kirk was an orphan. This was done a lot in the 60’s to prevent the hero from having family problems that would distract the show from action. Also, like today networks loved to imitate what is popular and James Bond was super popular in the 60's. "James Bond is an orphan so our hero should be an orphan" was the thinking in the 60's.
@neomp5 That's true. Even Ambassador Spock said to Kirk "Your father was alive to see you graduate the Academy". This is not possible because Kirk was like most heroes of the 60's an orphan {See Star Trek TOS:“Conscience of the King”(at 13 years old).
to be fair, i'm not sure it was said that kirk's father died in the massecre. but the list of canon violations is endless. orions in starfleet, a klingon neutral zone decades early, bolt-firing starship phasers, hand phasers decades early, they filmed a totally different spock birth scene than in star trek 5, vulcans being emotional, no stardates. a lot of it comes across as the writers just being too lazy to do any research.
@neomp5 Spock said "Children watching their parents die" This was a redundant line deliberately dropped in. There could be only one reason for it, to indicate to the audience that Riley’s, Kirk's friend and Kirk's parents were killed. Two things you left out, No one surprised that Romulans look like Vulcans. It was not until "Balance of Terror" that anyone in the Federation even saw a Romulan. Also, the ages of the Characters are all wrong.
ITS A REPLICA CAR BUD. BUT YOUR ARE RIGHT WITH OTHER FACTS. LOVE STARTREK OR start rekked now. but vulcan gone? his mother dead. Scotty now an idiot. Scotty in this film made me cringe.
Couldn't agree with you more. And further I'll start right at the beginning of the movie - Kirk's mother NEVER was in space, and only in a BOOK (which according to Rodenberry doesn't qualify as cannon) Kirk's father was actually on the ENTERPRISE on her unofficial maiden voyage PRE-PIKE! And a love tryst between Uhura and Spock????? PLEASE!!! I'll leave this just there, because there was so much wrong with the movie I couldn't believe it when I saw it!
@gakabler Not quite right. You are mistaking Robert April for Kirk's father. Kirk's father and mother were colonists and possibly like Kirk's dead brother scientists. Kirk was 13 when he saw Codose the executioner. It is indicated that the only people who saw him were his victims. It is therefore easy to conclude that Kirk watched his parents die at the hands of Codose. His big brother Sam was probably in collage on earth at the time.
Your arguments are presented well, but your point about Nero is laughable. "Doesn't he disservice the Nero of that dimension in the same way that he was wronged?" Yes, of course he does. That's why he's the bad guy, genius.
Agree with everything you said, I only have one burning question: that bridge you are standing in front of, is that a stage set or is that your living room? If you answer the latter, then I demand to know your address so I can come over there, kill you and commandeer your ship... err.. house...
@pacsouljah00 Hay psychopath! Standing on a large structure with home budgeting is call cromakey! He is standing in front of a tarp that is a single color and then he uses a computer to do the rest! How do you think he changed his background at the end of the video? GAD! Some of you people are complete morons!
First off, trekfreek, I wasn't even addressing you, so unless you uploaded this video, you don't get to answer, and secondly, my comment to wacko was meant as a joke, did you really think I would go over to his house and kill him even if his living room WAS enterprise bridge?? You sir, are the psychopath and moron who couldn't show any sense of decency and good humour
@pacsouljah00 1st This is a posting not a private chat room, e-mail or private message board. If you want people to stay out of your conversations use the “Send Message" future located on his channel! 2nd, I'm a student of psychology; only a psychopath & a complete moron would make a death threat on a public web page. 3rd, you should never post "so I can come over there, kill you" because you will be the first person arrested if he is ever really murdered. The law takes all threats seriously!
Hey idiot! ever hear of a joke?? So anytime your friends say I'm gonna kill you in jest, do you always call the cops on them?? I asked wacko if it was his living room as a joke!! The intention was that if it really was his house, then I'm green with envy!! even if you didn't get it, you could have said the joke was really poor taste instead of calling other people psychopaths.
@pacsouljah00 You called me a psychopath and a moron...Remember?! What, you can dish it out but can't take it? Also, my friends never say "I’m goanna kill you" even in jest and yes I would call the police if anyone threatened my life. Also, such "jokes" are never done to strangers and wakotti is a stranger to you. Try something new... Try acting like an adult then you would not be criticized about your "Jokes" so much.
@UltraMagnus123 And when he broke out he said "The wait is over". Whether he waited on an "un-escapable asteroid" (that is supposed to be solid frozen waste land from top to bottom) or he waited on the invincible ship that was defeated by one tinny starship crashing into it. He still sat around and waited.
@Odilwerk Pinkett's review was almost 2 years after mine, but I actually feel pretty complicated you would even compare me to him. But I'd have to say that @Outlaw8908 argument why I was wrong is much better then yours. I mean you both don't want to admit the truth but at least he has more style then you.
@wackottl Complicated? Your both reviewing the same film right? Your both reviewers?
Style? Lol. The fact is throughout all the shows there are constant references to alternate timelines that exist along side the main one (Mirror universe), why this is any different is merely up to angry nerds jumping to conclussions based on a them ( modern day hollywood ) vs us mentality.
To compare fictional time travel in one series to another is beyond idiotic, but whatever doesn't put you down more.
@Odilwerk First of time lines are not the same as alternate universes (read my posting to Incadazant01 for details). Second Style has nothing to do with timelines. Style is how the film looks. third, Comparing "time lines" Is the whole point of the movie. Otherwise they would not have gone to great lengths to change the time lines. It is even mentioned by the cast on the bridge. The writers want you to compare the two, and are hoping you like the new Star Wars one better.
@Trekfreek Dude I'm talking to someone else, so your interpretation of 'style' is completely out of context.
I'm not about to read through countless posts to look up your theoretical semantic definitions on theoretical physics beyond anyones understanding. You said it yourself though, TIME.LINES. Plural. There is literally no evidence to suggest the new time line wiped out the old one.
Oh you know of the writers intentions? You've talked to them about this?
@Odilwerk It is not countless it was down at the bottom of the page... if you had bothered to look you would have noticed...Just look on page 2 before it gets shoved to page 3. Writers put their intentions in their writings. It’s all there if you just bother to look. I see a pattern here with you. You don’t seem willing to investigate anything. Why is that?
@Odilwerk ... Here is what I said "From my understanding of quantum mechanics, time lines & dimensions are not the same. It is very complex but if you want to enter an alternate reality you must cross over through a dimensional worm hole. If you go back in time & change events you change history, the original time line is GONE! It never happened because you interfered with the time stream. By doing so you damaged not only this dimension but all of them. This = TOS-TNG-VOYAGER Never existed!"
@Odilwerk The only evidence is conjured up through nothing else but your own nerd rage.
The change is due to a need to reboot a stagnant franchise, and to attract a new audience. The link to the old time line is simply a way to not alienate the main fanbase. The whole point of the movie is to entertain, not to compare timelines, thats simply due to the time traveling plot device.
As for the writers, of course, thats their job. U take is personal But this us vs them mentality is just pathetic.
@Trekfreek What? When I'm debating with you, could you not degrade yourself to idiotic statements in an attempt to annoy me, simply because you've got literally no rebutal for anything I've posted.
@Odilwerk Hay man. I'm not the one posting to myself. I was trying to tell you in an upbeat way instead of embarrassing you. I guess I failed. You're too sensitive.
@Odilwerk "The whole point of the movie is to entertain, not to compare timelines, that’s simply due to the time traveling plot device." That plot device was intended to get old Trekkers to like the movie IT FAILED! Every show/ film is meant to entertain, even the news, but they also have another agenda which is to inform and to educate. Proper Star Trek did this by bringing up controversial subjects. The new movie mindless junk! "I can't watch this!" (Weird Al's song).
@Trekfreek I'd hardly call them all educating let alone with controversial subjects. The new film tries to reboot a stagnant franchise, simulatneously reaching out to a new audience, and appeasing the original fans. It was never going to be a universally liked film, least of all to the original fans, but they tried.
The only real negativity is coming from trekkies who can't let go of a series already lost. That isn't to say that the old timeline is gone forever, both storywise or for future.
@Odilwerk THERE IT IS AGAIN! That excuse that everyone who "likes this movie" says word for word. "Reboot astagnant franchise, simultaneously reaching out to a new audience, and appeasing the original fans" Are you quite sure you are not brain washed? Did you get your head examined by a psychiatrist? The series was not "lost" or "stagnant" it is and was just as strong as it has been in the last 40 years. The mistake Paramount made was not rereleasing the classic trek movies.
@Odilwerk PS. They were controversial subjects back in the 60's-the 80's. You mean you did not learn that blindly following orders is wrong, or that Just because something looks hideous does not mean it is evil, or how about the fact that war is preferable over slaughter or even that truth is universal and not what a government says it is? These things were not common ideas in those days, and for allot of people still is not. Trek tackled these issues and more. The new one...NOTHING!
You give people of the 60s and onwards very little credit. You honestly think people were mindless government drones back then completely devoid of any common sense? If thats the case your extremely ingorant.
Modern thinking didn't start with StarTrek LOL. I've met some trekkies who think too much of it, but damn.
The new one deals with the importance of passing on to a new generation of young people, instilling the sense and sensibilities to them.
@Odilwerk "You honestly think people were mindless government drones back then completely devoid of any common sense?" I never said THAT! I said Star Trek was both teachers to the young & made people think about controversial issues. I'm older then you. I remember extreme racism, The war in Vietnam and Presidents Nixon Ford and Carter. I remember asking my Dad if there was a bomb shelter nearby. It was a different world in the 60's and 70's. I know...I LIVED IT!
@Odilwerk When you were born in 1979 most of the racial hatred was on the way out. Blacks and Women had more rights than ever. The sex revolution was at its peak. Aid's was discovered & what was controversial in the 70's was 60% acceptable. By the time you could remember how old you were, the cold war had turned in our favor, & bigotry was as it is today. That is why you can't see what taboo was then. When you’re my age you will repeat this to someone your age.
@Trekfreek In that case Mr Self Righeous, seen as though I'm so unknowledgable of 20th century culture ( I bet my dad would beg to differ with you on many of those things ). What exactly would be a suitable taboo for a modern day StarTrek film? Keeping in mind it has to be marketable to a vast audience. What could you teach people that isn't shoveled down their throat at every corner already?
Bearing in mind you've decided not to talk about any points I've raised other than what old trek did.
@Odilwerk First "Mr. Self Righteous" that term, "I don't think it means what you think it means".(From "The Princes Bride") Second there are allot of things going on today that TV writers are ignoring or refuse to give the other side of the argument. Such as Stem cell research, terrorism, Modern day religious hatred... on and on...! There are lots of things still considered taboo and unthinkable. Also there is not one point that you said that proves it’s a good Trek OR movie.
@Odilwerk Also you forget that this new movie is suppose to be "old Trek" rebooted. Jar Jar Abrams even said so. Your points are week at best and not relevant at worst. As I pointed out All films are for entertainment but not all are JUST entertainment (I bet your Dad would agree with me on that). Some films are just plain BAD! Small holes in the movie (I call them motive holes) are fine...like Kahn not removing his right glove, or young Kirk giving away his bike. It’s PLOT HOLES GALORE I HATE!
@Trekfreek No I don't. Of course it's OLD TREK. My points aren't wEAk, you haven't even tried to refute anything I've claimed, instead completely changing the subject. I've already said what the film tries to teach us, yet you've completely ignored it out of convienience.
I already mentioned the plot holes ages ago, which you decidedly ignored out of convienence too. Coming back to it when it suits you.
So I ask you to give me a taboo and you ignore that too!
@Odilwerk "you haven't even tried to refute anything I've claimed" you’re not reading! You claim the all TV shows and movies are for entertainment only... the new movie honored the original show…and it was well made... I proved all that wrong! The Plot holes you mentioned were not in the Wrath of Kahn. Series related plot holes are called inconsistencies! AND I GAVE YOU 12 Taboo subjects! What DO YOU WANT, A RESPONCE IN Children’s rime?!
@Trekfreek Honestly this has been a complete fucking waste of time. You just go around in circles not discussing, instead just saying what you want without any relevence to anything we're talking about.
@Odilwerk Talking to yourself again. You know that's a sign of mental instability. AND DENILE! WOW! You have issues. (Please note: I did not call you names or curse at you.) I ask you HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SAY ...I NEVER SAID THAT STAR TREK "CREATED MODERN THINKING" Nor do I THINK THAT! I SAID WHAT I THINK AND KNOW! Star Trek covered controversial issues (AKA TABOO!) of its times. You either need reading glasses or reading lessons!!! Keep the name calling in Jr. High.
@Trekfreek You have an nieve view of what controversial is and was. You stick with that point. Fine. You still haven't had a rebuttal for ANYTHING else I've said. That is your one argument you can stick with, and it's an extremely thin one at that.
"You mean you did not learn that blindly following orders is wrong, or that ". Yeah, but not solely from Star Trek.
Oh and just because you don't curse at people doesn't make you some beacon of reason and logic by default, dumb ass.
@Odilwerk. First off the only reason you finally admitted to me responding to one of your points is that I had to dumb it down for a six year old to understand. Second, it is you who is naive, naive about culture in history. You probably think that Martin Luther King Jr. did his "I have a dream" speech back in the 30's insted of the 1960's. You probably think that women had equal pay starting in the 40's instead of 1982. And yes, the fact that I don't curse does make me a more rational person.
@Trekfreek Actually I talked about that point straight away, then came up with more but you seem incapable of carrying on a debate past the points you can win, so we got stuck there.
No I don't think any of those things, but keep making assumptions, whatever makes you feel right.
Lol. No the fact you don't curse is because you don't get frustrated with me because I'm not a narrow minded nieve fool who things far too much of a TV programme to see the idiocy of my statements.
@Odilwerk I have a feeling you are getting me mixed with someone else, because I have answered each concern that you posted to me. If you posted to yourself for some reason, I would not have received it. Next It is you who keeps implying that the in the 60's everyone thought as we do today and you seem to keep thinking that my world revolves around Trek. The debate was what Star Trek did in the 60's not if it changed peoples thought patterns. I don't get frustrated because it's my job not too.
@Odilwerk "BORED OF U" is the cry of a person who lost a debate. Algore used that cry allot during his presidential debates. As far as TV programs are concerned I already told you that Star Trek is just a TV show, just like 20/20 was just a TV show and In Search Of was just a TV show. Television is for entertainment but it also can be educational just like Star Trek was educational. College Professors still use it as a learning tool. the New Star Trek is junk entertainment.
@Trekfreek BORED OF U is a cry of someone whos bored of you because you don't add to this debate. You know they ordered two Star Trek pilots because the original wasn't deemed to have enough action in it? 'Too cerebral'?
Your still conveniently ignoring the point I brought up that the film teaches about passing on to a new generation and fullfilling your potential.
I don't like the film that much, but I'm not bitter enough to jump on it for the thinnest of arguments. Get a life, its a film.
@Odilwerk I did not conveniently ignored it. I out right ignored it because it’s just not true! I even said that the movie does not make that point at all! I'll tell you what it really teaches! It teaches young adults that if you get into fights, break the rules and disrespect all authority (except for the people you like) you will be rewarded with the luck of the Irish and be made a boss by the very people you pissed on! THAT"S WHAT IT TEACHES!
@Odilwerk As for the pilot. Gene hated the fact he had to make another pilot but he was determined to get the show on the air. Remember that right after if was accepted and the contract was sighed he made the very boring and cultural divers episode "The Cobermite Maneuver". And it was not the only one. He also got his original pilot aired using the excuse of low budget. Don't try to argue with the "guru" unless you really do know something that he does not.
@Trekfreek Yet you managed to say all that without drawing ANY parallels with the new film at all, clearly indicating your mentality of writing off the new films due to a us vs them mentality from the start, rather than coming to a reasonable conclussion at all regarding how the buisness works.
This is why your narrow minded and nieve, unable to see past your own warped view of righteousness, in this case being a 'trekfreek', the 'guru' if thats what you like.
@Odilwerk "warped view of righteousness"? Who am I suppose to be, Ahkmed the dead terrorist? How can there be any parallels between what Gene did to get his vision of a racial divers show on TV during a time when race equality on TV was taboo and JJ's remake of Star Wars? TOS did not make money for 3 years. Jar Jar’s did=no parallel. If anyone here is naive or twisted it is you. The subject is not how the business works, bur what was the motives of the two men.
If your so blinded by your own self importance or ignorance to see even that, then you sir are the mindless drone. A drone to your own emotions. Worrying ones at that.
I learnt all those things you speak of, but I learnt them through living life, not watching TV.
@Odilwerk Needed to make a better world(s)? Are you trying to say "make up words?" Learnt? It may be a word now but it is still poor English. “Learned” is the correct word to use. The truth is you lost the debate and now you’re sore. You win some and you lose some. Deal with it!
@wackottl So. If you want me to go through your points.
5.) He's a kid, it's done to build character. If you don't like that character thats simply to bad. Your idea that every character must appeal to everyone is an example of your entitled view of yourself. Us vs Them.
I assume you were full of Vulcan logic as a child.
4.) Nitpicking. Its clear he has every intention to save the planet, unfortunately he's on a revenge rampage first and foremost, why? Because he has gone insane. Get over it.
@Odilwerk 5.) Wrong. The scene was unnecessary. The Bar fight alone shows that Kirk is an ass hole. The whole "The Six million Dollar Kid" thing was pointless and over the top stupid.
4.) Did the rest of his crew go insane as well? The second he was not showing being rational they should have killed him, took the ship to Romulus where the advanced technology would have been studied and a new plan to save Romulus of the future would be in play.
The movie IS A BAD MOVIE, not just a bad Star Trek.
@wackottl 3.) Your only real point. Left intentionally vague for the sake of argument it would seem. Perhaps the intention was to simply save the planet itself, its culture and what not. Its people already evacuated. Using the black hole as a gravity point in the same way as the sun was. Its poor writting for sure, but not something to denounce the entire film over.
1.) If this was a reboot you'd have much more backlash on how the series has been stolen. If it were a prequel, well. Even worse.
I wouldn't say it's another dimension, but more of a different reality. Difference being, I think there are only something like 14 dimensions, or a number really close to that. On the other hand, alternate realities are almost limitless. It would be like: In what you refer to as the Prime universe/dimension, I choose tactical option A and pwn the enemy. In a different reality, I choose tactical option B, and barely make it out alive.
I think dimensions have to do with how matter exists/relates.
@Incadazant01. You are incorrect. From my understanding of quantum mechanics, time lines and dimensions are not the same. It is very complex but if you want to enter an alternate reality you must cross over through a dimensional worm hole. I f you go back in time and change events you change history, the original time line is GONE! It never happened because you interfered with the time stream. By doing so you damaged not only this dimension but all of them. This = TOS-TNG-VOYAGER Never existed!
Another point is that if I remember Black Holes right they suck every little bit of matter or particles into them. Basically, the force of this would crush everything into nothing . At the other end it is postulated that a opposite white hole ex pulses it . So logically using a temporary Black Hole would indeed take in a supernova that when it struck matter it got more powerful and larger. Now how a ship would survive a trip through a black hole is beyond me that wouldn't happen.
i can only give one thing it is an alternate timeline. Its not really another dimension they pulled a Back to the Future part 2 on the franchise which creates this alternate timeline because of this one or several incidents that happened which makes it utterly different than the Prime timeline. So in essence the old series' are still there but not in the same timeline it is as I am saying a reboot of everything except using Old Characters and an old ship .
@Outlaw8908 Close but wrong. As Doc Brown explained in Back to the Future part 2, the alternate time line is the only time line. "The only way to FIX THE TIME LINE and get back to our reality is in the past." The “FIX THE TIME LINE” part tells us that the true time line is damaged as in none existing. So, If Star Trek (XI) is canon this means that all of Star Trek except for Star Trek: Enterprise is GONE! Got it?! They just pissed on Gene Roddenberry’s vision and said it never happened!
My problem with this movie is that basically all the crew members are replacements and finagled their way to lead positions. Uhura uses favoritism to get on the ship, Sulu is somebody's replacement, Chekov is some guy the captain doesn't even know, the doctor before McCoy is killed, Scotty beams on from a distant outpost, and McCoy drags Kirk on the ship with a virus. These guys are cadets! Can't you find people who graduated to operate the flagship of Star Fleet?
@wackottl I still get hate postings for my postings criticizing Star Trek XI dating back 2 years ago. All I did was postings not a video that focuses interlay on the new movie. I’m constantly accused of being a hate monger just because I don’t like a movie, one movie out of a dozen others I criticized. The fans of this movie are as bad as Star Wars fans. They tear you apart if you point out that HISHE was right about Star Wars. Just thought you should know you’re not alone.
14. Star Trek always used to have a message, Star Trek 4 for example had a message about the importance of preserving species. This new film is just a meaningless light show for the unwashed masses.
15. The sword fight between Sulu and the romulan. It was crap.
16. Why did that small starship at the start of the film have an 800 man crew. They are saying this small ship has a crew equal to the Enterprise E? Must have been pretty crowded on that ship!
12. Detonating a warp core is enough to propel a ship away from a black hole. No. Just no. If the blast is that powerfull it would have overwhelmed the shields and destroyed the ship!
13. Time travel. Again! Star Trek has used time travel as a plot device more times than Marty Mcfly!
I hated how they apparently have a huge stockpile of this extremely dangerous stuff (red matter?) (more dangerous than warpcorebreach) if only a drop is needed to contain a supernova (I still dont know how that would be dangerous to a ftl capable civilization, in another star system) Next why are there bottomless pits on a starship (first seen in Nemesis)? Star Trek should be about well-conceived and "think about this topic for a minute" science fiction, not making a sell-out action movie.
We can deal without the 5th reason about the car. I forgot about the car as soon as I saw Uhura and the idea came to mind that Enterprise is the only canon show left because of what the movie did. There was a big lack of Technobabble in this movie which is a forerunner for Trek. Nero not warning Romulus or anything that would be reasonable or rational is thrown out the window because he's bent on revenge. Although as a huge Trek fan, I liked the movie, your points have validity.
@wackottl Well, as far as my going "no it's not, your wrong" I will point out that your video is titled "Why Star Trek Sucked". It doesn't get much more contrary or dismissive than that.
@satyrquaze I didn't say your opinion that it did not suck was invalid, I'm just saying your list of "no it didn't you're wrong" isn't very helpful or well thought out. To be honest it doesn't really matter people do it here all the time. I guess I just take getting called an angry idiot personal.
2. Is Spock is part of an endangered species he’s STILL AN OUTSIDER. His genetic and cultural make-up has not changed in the slightest. He just carries a bit of survivor’s guilt now. Your theory only makes a lick of difference if Vulcans decide to inter-breed with humans.
1. It’s not a new timeline. It’s an ALTERNATE timeline. The old universe is still there.
@satyrquaze so let me get this strait... I put my opinion in a list of 5 and I'm a hateful idiot... you put your opinion in a list of 5 and your justified somehow? I mean half of what you just said is "no it's not, your wrong" with nothing to back it up. ALTERNATE timeline is what they call it when they fail to save the future in every other movie and episode and history is re-written. oh and they said romulan sun in the movie, I'm not accepting comic books thank you.
@satyrquaze You know who is idiot? Someone who resort to name-calling - thats you. 1. So what? We never see it again, so it dosen't metter if it still exist or not. Also in Trek, when you change past, you change history, not create alternate reality. 2. Spock is now angsty ashole who want to have sex with earthling, and he shows every 5 seconds, he have nothing to do with oryginal Spock. 3. They said this in movie? When? 4. That dosen't chage the fact that Nero can still change te future. TBC
5. Challenging the logic of a pre-pubescent kid in destroying his stepdad’s property is hardly confirms this as a reason that the movie sucks.
4. Pointless as the Nero of this new universe wouldn’t be born for at probably another 30 years. Besides, what’s the Romulan government’s track record for trusting outsiders claiming to be from the future? He planned on getting to it anyway, right after he destroyed every Federation world. He had a century to get around to it.
@satyrquaze my point is that he destroyed humanity's property as surly as if he ripped up the mona lisa. It bothered me, and therefore is plenty reason to be on the list feel free to disagree but it's a reason.
4. I can't say pointless, they do have a good track record of listening to themselves, they love future tech for free.
@wackottl About point 4, Nero said that he wanted to make sure that Romulus was safe, my opinion is that he wanted to weaken the Federation by destroying Earth to give the Romulan Empire(who I imagine he would have gone to next) the opportunity to take over Federation space, thus making it the strongest in the Alpha quadrant (or safe.) Also, it could be considered a way to take vengeance on the Federation for "doing nothing..." In other words, I think he was just blinded by vengeance.
@satyrquaze About point 4 Have you seen the show at all? Of course they would have listened eventually they had about a 129 years before the said incident. Plus I do not think Romulans are that long lived and Nero seems pretty young and not about a 100 years old.
@satyrquaze 5. If your protagonist is unlikeble ashole, and he never grow, change and evolve as a character then, yes your movie sucked, you can make me like this supposed hero, because I hate him now for for being an ass.
I am no kind of fanatic Trekkie, I am just someone w/ a casual interest in the show(s). I must say I truly hated every minute of this Hollywood idiocy. This is the mentality of modern "high concept" Hollywood. Mine the archives already established & known brand names. Have your FX depart. make as many noisy explosions as possible, for no other reason then to have them available for an "exciting" trailer. Have some hack writer make some half hearted jestures at a plot in between the explosions.
2. He can warn Romulus after he kills off the Federation.
3. Then you'd have to hate almost every Star Trek series. Seriously, even TNG is full of it.
4. He's only the template if the other Vulcans go along with it. As a people determined to preserve their cultural identity, especially while scattered as refugees, they may decide to turn inward and reject mating with aliens.
5. Nope, it's an alternate universe. Star Trek is full of them.
@mst3k4evur Well, because Star Trek is set in a science fiction universe. From the first screenplay in the 60s, it was set up to be as scientifically accurate as possible within the constrainsts of the genre. Yes, Time Travel is very improbable, as is Faster than Light travel or matter transporters. But the idea that a single star going supernova could endanger the whole galaxy is laughable, especially when we have more than a few such events in historical record.
@VinnyMonster1 And we also have the remnants of supernovae in the galaxy. Nebulae are the result of supernovae. Just because it's fiction doesn't mean you can ignore real world science totally, which is what the screnwriters did. Personally, I enjoyed the movie, even though I thought it was terribly written by way of the whole reason for the story being based on incredibly idiotic science. Even the wildest fantasy needs some basis in the real world.
Cross species breeding is equally impossible. We have more genetic compatibility with a blade of grass than an alien life form. In a universe where cats and dogs can't mate, human-alien hybrids are impossible.
Which is sad, as there is a certain Quarian I'd love to make nerdy children with. ;)
@mst3k4evur Well, it is a work of fiction. But even so, it's entirely possible with a medical science advanced enough, such hybrid breeding can occur. Scientists have managed to create hybrid creatures in real life on earth.
@VinnyMonster1 For now they don't. We have no idea what will happen. We are like a person discovering new things everyday or within generations. Things are never as they seem.
In one important respect, the movie was a success. It was popular and made a ton of cash. However, I'm one of the "small group" that don't really care for the movie.
Star trek was damaged more by the repeated failed attempts at Next gen movies, and the repeated non-stop onslaught of boring spin offs.
star trek was driven into the ground and destroyed, the only way to save it was a re-boot or a next-next generation that would have taken it back to its roots and away from the stale formula it had become, Enterprise tried but it was to little to late.
Gosh there were so many more reasons too. I came up with ~25, myself. But it's different/wrong before the time-barrier is broken & a giant Romulan turd falls out of a space-sphincter. Idiosyncrasies of the TOS-era would've been more apparent on the Kelvin, but Jim in mum's tummy nowhere near Iowa is all 1 needs to see that it's changed before said event.
It's a parallel universe (which are meh.) Were it universe-prime, then a whole lot is wrong! So the 25 things I saw can't/don't really count.
I think some good points have been made, but I don't have a problem with the plot or even the destruction of Vulcan. I disliked the film because it was obvious that it was written for the new generation of government educated, barely literate folks it was made for. If it isn't flashy, loud, and shiny then it's not good. I disliked it because the story would not have been able to stand in a slower paced film.
All of these are really good points, but the real reason the movie sucked is that it was just your average Hollywood shoot-em-up dumb action movie with the Star Trek label slapped on it for marketability's sake. As awful as some of the previous Star Trek series & movies got, I still felt they were at least trying. This is the first Star Trek production that I would really call a "sell-out."
@BartJ385 Well, I don't like any of new characters - they have nothing that made old Kirk and his crew great - so I'm not interested what they will do to with this characters. And why Abrams or nothing? They don't rebooted entire universe do make TNG... And if you believe that ST XII - sorry, rebooted ST II - will be any better than this movie... you must be irrepressible optimist. ;)
Awesome production values, but I can't agree. I am a Trekker, and I don't see why it matters. I mean, we disregard Star Trek V and "Threshold." Heck, most of us disregard Enterprise.
Just go read the books and read how the prime universe really does continue. You are free to disregard this alternate reality if you want to. Some people are apparently more interested in it than the prime reality.
Omg AMEN to this video! This movie was HORRIBLE! So much stupidity in it, Kirk going from Cadet to Captain in 1 day, having captains that contain the entire defense codes to the entire friggin planet go into battle, Going through a drawn out rescue instead of shooting the drill, inexplicably angering Spock to become Captain, wood on ice planets. And to piss away 30 years of story for this bullshit is pretty much unforgivable. I kept waiting for Kirk to get a Lightsaber and just get it over with.
@Wackotti come on, your telling me that a simple thing like time travel in the movie is going to ruin star trek for you? first of all as a star wars fan i was dissapointed with the prequals but i wont let that effect me. and plus this star trek reboot was much better than the crap star wars prequals had to offer. and as i see it im sure a lot of the things that happening in the older series of star trek can still happen but in a new way, just like kurk still becoming captain.
@Wackotti but have you thought that maybe people will see the reboot or sequal and want to see the previous movies, like those who didnt see the original star wars movies and liked the new ones went back to watch the old ones cause it interested them, so have you thought that this might have the same impact? causing many people to go and enjoy the original series? in many ways this can create new trek fans
@Handsomejunior19 You have obviously never seen anything Star Trek before this movie so you think that the movie was good because it had some good action in it. But the thing is that this movie Erased EVERYTHING that was Star Trek before it. All the other movies, the other TV series, all the Star Trek Novels are now IREVILENT because this new timeline erased them all.
both time-lines happen simultaneously so everything pre 2233 happens in both but then they SPLIT
and the star trek novels were never cannon anyway
but i do agree that enterprise being the only thing to happen in the alternate timeline sucks.
and would you rather have a apparently sucky movie or no movie and let star trek die out so it wont matter what is cannon or not because no will care or know what it even is.
both time-lines happen simultaneously so everything pre 2233 happens in both but then they SPLIT
and the star trek novels were never cannon anyway
but i do agree that enterprise being the only thing to happen in the alternate timeline sucks.
BUT would you rather have a apparently sucky movie or no movie and let star trek die out so it wont matter what is cannon or not because no will care or know what it even is.
@Wackotti well i would listen to your advice if you actually have a solid point of how the movie sucked, but theres so much nonsense you brought up that i cant see your end result as being a logical one. Plus have you ever thought that this movie was to try to get more people into star trek?
@Handsomejunior19 Well, a lot of people don't really understand that I mean it. This movie destroyed the old continuity, when I put in my DVD of wrath of Kahn I was afraid it would be blank, seriously.
That's a pretty big flaw in this movie to have other people like it. Tron Legacy managed to do it without a reboot.
in this end this would be like saying "only the new star wars matters, the old stuff doesn't count anymore"
@helrod ok, I can see why you didn't like Tron, I respect that, but how is it a remake and not a sequel? Yes they did a lot of the same things over again but those original events did happen. and even though they suck new startrek doesn't destroy the events of the old movies.
@Handsomejunior19 if it means to destroy the legacy of Roddenberry for the sake of bringing more people into the trek-verse, then i'd rather trek have fewer fans. have you noticed how dumb the newer audience actually is? they have NO clue what trek is or what it stands for, or anything trek changed for us in the last 40+ years - who cares if these people care about trek, they care about trek like they care for transformers 2, for about 2 weeks and then move onto the next big n shiny! thing!
its people like this Wackotti guy that ruins a movie, all this stuff is too little to effect the overall view of the movie, i mean theres so many people that watch these vids in hope to get a yes the movie sucks or no its a good time instead of wasting their money, so yeah please make better reviews
@Handsomejunior19 I liked the movie until the destruction of vulcan. I never said I would tell you if it was good or not, just list the reason some old fans are upset about it.
but the title is why is sucks... so I guess that would be a "no don't watch it" before the vid even starts.
@Handsomejunior19 no, it's people like Wackotti who speak the truth! new trek undoes everything, so now when spock dies in trek 2, and they find him again, where will they take him at the end of the 3rd film? to earth!?
I like the new Star Trek movie.... partly because it takes place in a parallel universe, while still being canon. So a whole bunch of nonsense can happen in the next few movies, but at least we know the stuff from TNG etc, still happens.
Interesting video. I agree with some of the points but I was mostly just bored with the explosions, I mean movie. The only scene I liked was when everyone was getting ready to go to Vulcan and then Sulu left the handbrake on. That was pretty rad.
@BartJ385 So, tell me when we gona see old universe? Never? That's what I think. So it really doesn't matter if original universe was erased, or not, we never gonna see it again. Not in the movie/series anyway... Characters have great potencial? Did we saw this same movie? In movie I saw every character was adolescent asshole - except of Pike - or idiot ( Nero). You relly want to see those horrible people again? What you want to see? Spock shagging Uhura? Don't count on something more ambitious.
@BartJ385 But you know what is the difference between TNG - I'm a big fan of TNG :) - and new movie? 1. no one before came, and just show middle finger to authors who wrote Trek before - TNG was acknowledging TOS as part of Trek history, DS9 was acknowledging TNG, and so on. Destruction of Vulcan was arogant attempt to erase Trek histrory. 2. TNG was brilliant and intelligent series, ST XI is just stupid popcorn movie. 3. Want a reboot? Look at Nolan's Batman this is how remakes should be made.
@BartJ385 Yes, I understand what RedLetterMedia said, but he still enjoys ST XI and he disdain "Nemesis", when both movies are practically identical. And what is wrong with letting Trek rest in peace? Ooo, thats right if they left Trek alone, Paramount couldn't milk a franchise dry...
@BartJ385 RedLetterMedia is hypocrite. He criticize "Nemesis" for having lame villain, stupid story, too much action and carbort cut out characters, yet he likes new movie, and ST XI was even more idiotic than "Nemesis"
I walk a very fine line with Star Trek. I tend to watch each episode/version/installment "as is" letting the internal inconsistencies go; perhaps, they will work themselves out later.
I enjoyed the new movie as far as character development and portrayal go. Even I had a couple of uncharacteristic "but wait..." moments with some plot underpinnings.
Still, the movie was fun.
The "Purists" certainly have a variety of legitimate gripes. Some of them were left unmentioned.
I walk a very fine line with Star Trek. I tend to watch each episode/version/installment "as is" letting the internal inconsistencies go; perhaps, they will work themselves out later.
I enjoyed the new movie as far as character development and portrayal go. Even I had a couple of uncharacteristic "but wait..." moments with some plot underpinnings.
Still, the movie was fun. The "Purists" certainly have a variety of legitimate gripes. Some more of those were left unmentioned.
@BartJ385 all of the shows you just mentioned are also destroyed by this event, and I liked DS9 and next gen quite a bit. Or are you suggesting that none of these series featured Vulcan in a significant way?
@Bragorn I'm getting a little tired of people responding this way. just saying #1 it still exist does not make it so. If time travel creates parallel worlds then all other time travel stories are broken, and that's a lot of broken to just ignore.
@wackottl Didn't you ever catch that TNG episode where they prove for every possibility that can happen, does happen, just splinters off into alternate realities creating infinite realities. This new Trek is about another reality not so much time travel, even though basically Spock and Nero do go into the past, just the past of another reality.
@Bragorn That wasn't time travel, this movie was.... or is the underling message that "you have a destiny" complete crap? This movie either destroys all other timeline or proves it's own fundamental theme is wrong making it a lackluster movie on it's own merits.
Yes you are right... and the tech and the clothes are rong. As you pionted out, they have gone to so much touble exsplaning how they got to that point in time, but if you look closely at the space threads you will notice that they are wearing soccer shirts. What happend to the crush cotten tops?. There was no sign of breathable, hexagon, spots fabric in the OS. All that was missing was the Nike embalm. The sets all looked a little to high tech as well. Why no retro 1960s red work stations?
plutobrandy1 3 weeks ago
yes, YES!!!!!!!!!!! you speak the truth sir!!!!
NCC63549 1 month ago 2
This Star Trek was like : Luke Skywalker going back in time to make sweet love to Shmi Skywalker and by doing so becoming his own grand father .............
heretyq 1 month ago 3
What irks me most is like you said, the movie basically smashed every episode of every series (except Enterprise) into a thousand pieces. It's kind of a giant middle finger to those who have been loyal viewers for years.
SOU7000 1 month ago 3
omg dude its just a movie i mean really!!!!! who cares i thought it was really good.
leonardnimoylover1 1 month ago
@leonardnimoylover1 "i thought it was really good." Then I guess you were mistaken. Good films have a story with either 1 or 2 tinny plot holes or none at all. The new Trek had at least 30 plot holes; I counted them. It also had Character holes and I’m not referring to them not fitting the original versions of themselves. Vulcans claim to have their emotions under wraps in the film but every time we see a Vulcan they are insulting people, snogging people or hitting people...
Trekfreek 2 weeks ago
@leonardnimoylover1 Uhura can’t make up her mind if she is a prude, bad ass, helpless damsel, sick bitch, slut, or lover. McCoy claims to be a Doctor when we meet him yet he needs to go through the Academy and he still did not learn to check medical records before administering drugs to his best friend. Pike keeps jumping from wise leader to total push over. Nero jumps between over emotional killer & the universes most patient villain...
Trekfreek 2 weeks ago
@leonardnimoylover1 Scotty is both a super genius and the dumbest engineer of all times (even today). The helmsman of the flag ship can't fly. Even the plot devices can't make up their minds as to how to behave. The turbo lifts are lightning speed between 15 levels in one scene then the next they take 8 minutes to go 6 levels. Hover Bikes can't out run primitive sports cars. Finally Black Holes can't make up their minds if they are time worm holes or dead ends...
Trekfreek 2 weeks ago
@leonardnimoylover1 Old Spock is first worried about screwing up the time line even more then does not give a shit if it ever gets fixed. Young Spock can't figure out that Kirk used a virus to cheat but instantly knows how to fly a ship 100 years more advanced then he has ever seen. There are over 100 more problems with STXI; there is just no room to write them all.
Trekfreek 2 weeks ago
@Trekfreek - Robert April was the captain of the then EXPERIMENTAL USS Enterprise and Kirk's father was "drafted" to be the Science Officer for the secret mission. But again, this was in a book and therefore not considered official ST history, but while you are correct about Codose and Sam Kirk I reiterate that Kirk's MOTHER was NEVER on any starship!
gakabler 1 month ago
@gakabler I stick to what the shows says and what Gene Roddenberry said. Kirk was an orphan. This was done a lot in the 60’s to prevent the hero from having family problems that would distract the show from action. Also, like today networks loved to imitate what is popular and James Bond was super popular in the 60's. "James Bond is an orphan so our hero should be an orphan" was the thinking in the 60's.
Trekfreek 1 month ago
actually, the movie doesn't fit canon at all.
neomp5 1 month ago 2
@neomp5 That's true. Even Ambassador Spock said to Kirk "Your father was alive to see you graduate the Academy". This is not possible because Kirk was like most heroes of the 60's an orphan {See Star Trek TOS:“Conscience of the King”(at 13 years old).
Trekfreek 1 month ago
@Trekfreek
to be fair, i'm not sure it was said that kirk's father died in the massecre. but the list of canon violations is endless. orions in starfleet, a klingon neutral zone decades early, bolt-firing starship phasers, hand phasers decades early, they filmed a totally different spock birth scene than in star trek 5, vulcans being emotional, no stardates. a lot of it comes across as the writers just being too lazy to do any research.
neomp5 1 month ago
@neomp5 Spock said "Children watching their parents die" This was a redundant line deliberately dropped in. There could be only one reason for it, to indicate to the audience that Riley’s, Kirk's friend and Kirk's parents were killed. Two things you left out, No one surprised that Romulans look like Vulcans. It was not until "Balance of Terror" that anyone in the Federation even saw a Romulan. Also, the ages of the Characters are all wrong.
Trekfreek 1 month ago
ITS A REPLICA CAR BUD. BUT YOUR ARE RIGHT WITH OTHER FACTS. LOVE STARTREK OR start rekked now. but vulcan gone? his mother dead. Scotty now an idiot. Scotty in this film made me cringe.
carljhirst 2 months ago
Couldn't agree with you more. And further I'll start right at the beginning of the movie - Kirk's mother NEVER was in space, and only in a BOOK (which according to Rodenberry doesn't qualify as cannon) Kirk's father was actually on the ENTERPRISE on her unofficial maiden voyage PRE-PIKE! And a love tryst between Uhura and Spock????? PLEASE!!! I'll leave this just there, because there was so much wrong with the movie I couldn't believe it when I saw it!
gakabler 2 months ago
@gakabler Not quite right. You are mistaking Robert April for Kirk's father. Kirk's father and mother were colonists and possibly like Kirk's dead brother scientists. Kirk was 13 when he saw Codose the executioner. It is indicated that the only people who saw him were his victims. It is therefore easy to conclude that Kirk watched his parents die at the hands of Codose. His big brother Sam was probably in collage on earth at the time.
Trekfreek 1 month ago
Your arguments are presented well, but your point about Nero is laughable. "Doesn't he disservice the Nero of that dimension in the same way that he was wronged?" Yes, of course he does. That's why he's the bad guy, genius.
Egabbacknuks 2 months ago
Agree with everything you said, I only have one burning question: that bridge you are standing in front of, is that a stage set or is that your living room? If you answer the latter, then I demand to know your address so I can come over there, kill you and commandeer your ship... err.. house...
pacsouljah00 3 months ago
@pacsouljah00 Hay psychopath! Standing on a large structure with home budgeting is call cromakey! He is standing in front of a tarp that is a single color and then he uses a computer to do the rest! How do you think he changed his background at the end of the video? GAD! Some of you people are complete morons!
Trekfreek 2 months ago
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First off, trekfreek, I wasn't even addressing you, so unless you uploaded this video, you don't get to answer, and secondly, my comment to wacko was meant as a joke, did you really think I would go over to his house and kill him even if his living room WAS enterprise bridge?? You sir, are the psychopath and moron who couldn't show any sense of decency and good humour
pacsouljah00 2 months ago
@pacsouljah00 1st This is a posting not a private chat room, e-mail or private message board. If you want people to stay out of your conversations use the “Send Message" future located on his channel! 2nd, I'm a student of psychology; only a psychopath & a complete moron would make a death threat on a public web page. 3rd, you should never post "so I can come over there, kill you" because you will be the first person arrested if he is ever really murdered. The law takes all threats seriously!
Trekfreek 2 months ago
@pacsouljah00 Simply put; you are the psychopath/moron for posting the death threat. DUMB DUMB!
Trekfreek 2 months ago
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Hey idiot! ever hear of a joke?? So anytime your friends say I'm gonna kill you in jest, do you always call the cops on them?? I asked wacko if it was his living room as a joke!! The intention was that if it really was his house, then I'm green with envy!! even if you didn't get it, you could have said the joke was really poor taste instead of calling other people psychopaths.
pacsouljah00 2 months ago
@pacsouljah00 You called me a psychopath and a moron...Remember?! What, you can dish it out but can't take it? Also, my friends never say "I’m goanna kill you" even in jest and yes I would call the police if anyone threatened my life. Also, such "jokes" are never done to strangers and wakotti is a stranger to you. Try something new... Try acting like an adult then you would not be criticized about your "Jokes" so much.
Trekfreek 2 months ago
Nero didnt sit around for 25 years, he was a slave/prisoner on rora-penthe (klingon mining camp/penal colony
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UltraMagnus123 3 months ago
@UltraMagnus123 And when he broke out he said "The wait is over". Whether he waited on an "un-escapable asteroid" (that is supposed to be solid frozen waste land from top to bottom) or he waited on the invincible ship that was defeated by one tinny starship crashing into it. He still sat around and waited.
Trekfreek 3 months ago
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Plinketts review is much more concise and not full of nitpicking nerdy ramblings.
Also, its another timeline, just like all those from the series. The other timeline is still going on.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk Pinkett's review was almost 2 years after mine, but I actually feel pretty complicated you would even compare me to him. But I'd have to say that @Outlaw8908 argument why I was wrong is much better then yours. I mean you both don't want to admit the truth but at least he has more style then you.
wackottl 3 months ago 2
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@wackottl Complicated? Your both reviewing the same film right? Your both reviewers?
Style? Lol. The fact is throughout all the shows there are constant references to alternate timelines that exist along side the main one (Mirror universe), why this is any different is merely up to angry nerds jumping to conclussions based on a them ( modern day hollywood ) vs us mentality.
To compare fictional time travel in one series to another is beyond idiotic, but whatever doesn't put you down more.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk First of time lines are not the same as alternate universes (read my posting to Incadazant01 for details). Second Style has nothing to do with timelines. Style is how the film looks. third, Comparing "time lines" Is the whole point of the movie. Otherwise they would not have gone to great lengths to change the time lines. It is even mentioned by the cast on the bridge. The writers want you to compare the two, and are hoping you like the new Star Wars one better.
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@Trekfreek Dude I'm talking to someone else, so your interpretation of 'style' is completely out of context.
I'm not about to read through countless posts to look up your theoretical semantic definitions on theoretical physics beyond anyones understanding. You said it yourself though, TIME.LINES. Plural. There is literally no evidence to suggest the new time line wiped out the old one.
Oh you know of the writers intentions? You've talked to them about this?
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk It is not countless it was down at the bottom of the page... if you had bothered to look you would have noticed...Just look on page 2 before it gets shoved to page 3. Writers put their intentions in their writings. It’s all there if you just bother to look. I see a pattern here with you. You don’t seem willing to investigate anything. Why is that?
Trekfreek 3 months ago
@Odilwerk ... Here is what I said "From my understanding of quantum mechanics, time lines & dimensions are not the same. It is very complex but if you want to enter an alternate reality you must cross over through a dimensional worm hole. If you go back in time & change events you change history, the original time line is GONE! It never happened because you interfered with the time stream. By doing so you damaged not only this dimension but all of them. This = TOS-TNG-VOYAGER Never existed!"
Trekfreek 3 months ago
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@Odilwerk The only evidence is conjured up through nothing else but your own nerd rage.
The change is due to a need to reboot a stagnant franchise, and to attract a new audience. The link to the old time line is simply a way to not alienate the main fanbase. The whole point of the movie is to entertain, not to compare timelines, thats simply due to the time traveling plot device.
As for the writers, of course, thats their job. U take is personal But this us vs them mentality is just pathetic.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk WOA there fella! You should not be talking to yourself like that! You could hurt your own feelings!
Trekfreek 3 months ago
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@Trekfreek What? When I'm debating with you, could you not degrade yourself to idiotic statements in an attempt to annoy me, simply because you've got literally no rebutal for anything I've posted.
It's pathetic.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk Hay man. I'm not the one posting to myself. I was trying to tell you in an upbeat way instead of embarrassing you. I guess I failed. You're too sensitive.
Trekfreek 3 months ago
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Trekfreek 3 months ago
@Odilwerk "The whole point of the movie is to entertain, not to compare timelines, that’s simply due to the time traveling plot device." That plot device was intended to get old Trekkers to like the movie IT FAILED! Every show/ film is meant to entertain, even the news, but they also have another agenda which is to inform and to educate. Proper Star Trek did this by bringing up controversial subjects. The new movie mindless junk! "I can't watch this!" (Weird Al's song).
Trekfreek 3 months ago
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@Trekfreek I'd hardly call them all educating let alone with controversial subjects. The new film tries to reboot a stagnant franchise, simulatneously reaching out to a new audience, and appeasing the original fans. It was never going to be a universally liked film, least of all to the original fans, but they tried.
The only real negativity is coming from trekkies who can't let go of a series already lost. That isn't to say that the old timeline is gone forever, both storywise or for future.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk THERE IT IS AGAIN! That excuse that everyone who "likes this movie" says word for word. "Reboot astagnant franchise, simultaneously reaching out to a new audience, and appeasing the original fans" Are you quite sure you are not brain washed? Did you get your head examined by a psychiatrist? The series was not "lost" or "stagnant" it is and was just as strong as it has been in the last 40 years. The mistake Paramount made was not rereleasing the classic trek movies.
Trekfreek 3 months ago
@Odilwerk PS. They were controversial subjects back in the 60's-the 80's. You mean you did not learn that blindly following orders is wrong, or that Just because something looks hideous does not mean it is evil, or how about the fact that war is preferable over slaughter or even that truth is universal and not what a government says it is? These things were not common ideas in those days, and for allot of people still is not. Trek tackled these issues and more. The new one...NOTHING!
Trekfreek 3 months ago
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@Trekfreek Lmao. You have got to be kidding?
You give people of the 60s and onwards very little credit. You honestly think people were mindless government drones back then completely devoid of any common sense? If thats the case your extremely ingorant.
Modern thinking didn't start with StarTrek LOL. I've met some trekkies who think too much of it, but damn.
The new one deals with the importance of passing on to a new generation of young people, instilling the sense and sensibilities to them.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
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Trekfreek 3 months ago
@Odilwerk "You honestly think people were mindless government drones back then completely devoid of any common sense?" I never said THAT! I said Star Trek was both teachers to the young & made people think about controversial issues. I'm older then you. I remember extreme racism, The war in Vietnam and Presidents Nixon Ford and Carter. I remember asking my Dad if there was a bomb shelter nearby. It was a different world in the 60's and 70's. I know...I LIVED IT!
Trekfreek 3 months ago
@Odilwerk When you were born in 1979 most of the racial hatred was on the way out. Blacks and Women had more rights than ever. The sex revolution was at its peak. Aid's was discovered & what was controversial in the 70's was 60% acceptable. By the time you could remember how old you were, the cold war had turned in our favor, & bigotry was as it is today. That is why you can't see what taboo was then. When you’re my age you will repeat this to someone your age.
Trekfreek 3 months ago
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@Trekfreek In that case Mr Self Righeous, seen as though I'm so unknowledgable of 20th century culture ( I bet my dad would beg to differ with you on many of those things ). What exactly would be a suitable taboo for a modern day StarTrek film? Keeping in mind it has to be marketable to a vast audience. What could you teach people that isn't shoveled down their throat at every corner already?
Bearing in mind you've decided not to talk about any points I've raised other than what old trek did.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk First "Mr. Self Righteous" that term, "I don't think it means what you think it means".(From "The Princes Bride") Second there are allot of things going on today that TV writers are ignoring or refuse to give the other side of the argument. Such as Stem cell research, terrorism, Modern day religious hatred... on and on...! There are lots of things still considered taboo and unthinkable. Also there is not one point that you said that proves it’s a good Trek OR movie.
Trekfreek 3 months ago
@Odilwerk Also you forget that this new movie is suppose to be "old Trek" rebooted. Jar Jar Abrams even said so. Your points are week at best and not relevant at worst. As I pointed out All films are for entertainment but not all are JUST entertainment (I bet your Dad would agree with me on that). Some films are just plain BAD! Small holes in the movie (I call them motive holes) are fine...like Kahn not removing his right glove, or young Kirk giving away his bike. It’s PLOT HOLES GALORE I HATE!
Trekfreek 3 months ago
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@Trekfreek No I don't. Of course it's OLD TREK. My points aren't wEAk, you haven't even tried to refute anything I've claimed, instead completely changing the subject. I've already said what the film tries to teach us, yet you've completely ignored it out of convienience.
I already mentioned the plot holes ages ago, which you decidedly ignored out of convienence too. Coming back to it when it suits you.
So I ask you to give me a taboo and you ignore that too!
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk "you haven't even tried to refute anything I've claimed" you’re not reading! You claim the all TV shows and movies are for entertainment only... the new movie honored the original show…and it was well made... I proved all that wrong! The Plot holes you mentioned were not in the Wrath of Kahn. Series related plot holes are called inconsistencies! AND I GAVE YOU 12 Taboo subjects! What DO YOU WANT, A RESPONCE IN Children’s rime?!
Trekfreek 3 months ago
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@Trekfreek Honestly this has been a complete fucking waste of time. You just go around in circles not discussing, instead just saying what you want without any relevence to anything we're talking about.
Get a fucking life, get over it. It's a film.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk OOOOooooo Now self projecting! Grow up!!!
Trekfreek 3 months ago
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@Odilwerk Lmao. Coming from the guy debating fictional science. A guy who thinks StarTrek created modern thinking.
Your a fucking tool. You haven't had a single rebuttal for a single thing I've posted. Good day.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk Talking to yourself again. You know that's a sign of mental instability. AND DENILE! WOW! You have issues. (Please note: I did not call you names or curse at you.) I ask you HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SAY ...I NEVER SAID THAT STAR TREK "CREATED MODERN THINKING" Nor do I THINK THAT! I SAID WHAT I THINK AND KNOW! Star Trek covered controversial issues (AKA TABOO!) of its times. You either need reading glasses or reading lessons!!! Keep the name calling in Jr. High.
Trekfreek 3 months ago
@Trekfreek You have an nieve view of what controversial is and was. You stick with that point. Fine. You still haven't had a rebuttal for ANYTHING else I've said. That is your one argument you can stick with, and it's an extremely thin one at that.
"You mean you did not learn that blindly following orders is wrong, or that ". Yeah, but not solely from Star Trek.
Oh and just because you don't curse at people doesn't make you some beacon of reason and logic by default, dumb ass.
Later.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk. First off the only reason you finally admitted to me responding to one of your points is that I had to dumb it down for a six year old to understand. Second, it is you who is naive, naive about culture in history. You probably think that Martin Luther King Jr. did his "I have a dream" speech back in the 30's insted of the 1960's. You probably think that women had equal pay starting in the 40's instead of 1982. And yes, the fact that I don't curse does make me a more rational person.
Trekfreek 3 months ago
@Trekfreek Actually I talked about that point straight away, then came up with more but you seem incapable of carrying on a debate past the points you can win, so we got stuck there.
No I don't think any of those things, but keep making assumptions, whatever makes you feel right.
Lol. No the fact you don't curse is because you don't get frustrated with me because I'm not a narrow minded nieve fool who things far too much of a TV programme to see the idiocy of my statements.
LATER = BORED OF U
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk I have a feeling you are getting me mixed with someone else, because I have answered each concern that you posted to me. If you posted to yourself for some reason, I would not have received it. Next It is you who keeps implying that the in the 60's everyone thought as we do today and you seem to keep thinking that my world revolves around Trek. The debate was what Star Trek did in the 60's not if it changed peoples thought patterns. I don't get frustrated because it's my job not too.
Trekfreek 3 months ago
@Odilwerk "BORED OF U" is the cry of a person who lost a debate. Algore used that cry allot during his presidential debates. As far as TV programs are concerned I already told you that Star Trek is just a TV show, just like 20/20 was just a TV show and In Search Of was just a TV show. Television is for entertainment but it also can be educational just like Star Trek was educational. College Professors still use it as a learning tool. the New Star Trek is junk entertainment.
Trekfreek 3 months ago
@Trekfreek BORED OF U is a cry of someone whos bored of you because you don't add to this debate. You know they ordered two Star Trek pilots because the original wasn't deemed to have enough action in it? 'Too cerebral'?
Your still conveniently ignoring the point I brought up that the film teaches about passing on to a new generation and fullfilling your potential.
I don't like the film that much, but I'm not bitter enough to jump on it for the thinnest of arguments. Get a life, its a film.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk I did not conveniently ignored it. I out right ignored it because it’s just not true! I even said that the movie does not make that point at all! I'll tell you what it really teaches! It teaches young adults that if you get into fights, break the rules and disrespect all authority (except for the people you like) you will be rewarded with the luck of the Irish and be made a boss by the very people you pissed on! THAT"S WHAT IT TEACHES!
Trekfreek 3 months ago
@Odilwerk As for the pilot. Gene hated the fact he had to make another pilot but he was determined to get the show on the air. Remember that right after if was accepted and the contract was sighed he made the very boring and cultural divers episode "The Cobermite Maneuver". And it was not the only one. He also got his original pilot aired using the excuse of low budget. Don't try to argue with the "guru" unless you really do know something that he does not.
Trekfreek 3 months ago
@Trekfreek Yet you managed to say all that without drawing ANY parallels with the new film at all, clearly indicating your mentality of writing off the new films due to a us vs them mentality from the start, rather than coming to a reasonable conclussion at all regarding how the buisness works.
This is why your narrow minded and nieve, unable to see past your own warped view of righteousness, in this case being a 'trekfreek', the 'guru' if thats what you like.
Which is quite simply just sad.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk "warped view of righteousness"? Who am I suppose to be, Ahkmed the dead terrorist? How can there be any parallels between what Gene did to get his vision of a racial divers show on TV during a time when race equality on TV was taboo and JJ's remake of Star Wars? TOS did not make money for 3 years. Jar Jar’s did=no parallel. If anyone here is naive or twisted it is you. The subject is not how the business works, bur what was the motives of the two men.
Trekfreek 3 months ago
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Needed to make a better world(s).
If your so blinded by your own self importance or ignorance to see even that, then you sir are the mindless drone. A drone to your own emotions. Worrying ones at that.
I learnt all those things you speak of, but I learnt them through living life, not watching TV.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk Needed to make a better world(s)? Are you trying to say "make up words?" Learnt? It may be a word now but it is still poor English. “Learned” is the correct word to use. The truth is you lost the debate and now you’re sore. You win some and you lose some. Deal with it!
Trekfreek 3 months ago
@wackottl So. If you want me to go through your points.
5.) He's a kid, it's done to build character. If you don't like that character thats simply to bad. Your idea that every character must appeal to everyone is an example of your entitled view of yourself. Us vs Them.
I assume you were full of Vulcan logic as a child.
4.) Nitpicking. Its clear he has every intention to save the planet, unfortunately he's on a revenge rampage first and foremost, why? Because he has gone insane. Get over it.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
@Odilwerk 5.) Wrong. The scene was unnecessary. The Bar fight alone shows that Kirk is an ass hole. The whole "The Six million Dollar Kid" thing was pointless and over the top stupid.
4.) Did the rest of his crew go insane as well? The second he was not showing being rational they should have killed him, took the ship to Romulus where the advanced technology would have been studied and a new plan to save Romulus of the future would be in play.
The movie IS A BAD MOVIE, not just a bad Star Trek.
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@wackottl 3.) Your only real point. Left intentionally vague for the sake of argument it would seem. Perhaps the intention was to simply save the planet itself, its culture and what not. Its people already evacuated. Using the black hole as a gravity point in the same way as the sun was. Its poor writting for sure, but not something to denounce the entire film over.
1.) If this was a reboot you'd have much more backlash on how the series has been stolen. If it were a prequel, well. Even worse.
Odilwerk 3 months ago
I wouldn't say it's another dimension, but more of a different reality. Difference being, I think there are only something like 14 dimensions, or a number really close to that. On the other hand, alternate realities are almost limitless. It would be like: In what you refer to as the Prime universe/dimension, I choose tactical option A and pwn the enemy. In a different reality, I choose tactical option B, and barely make it out alive.
I think dimensions have to do with how matter exists/relates.
Incadazant01 3 months ago
@Incadazant01. You are incorrect. From my understanding of quantum mechanics, time lines and dimensions are not the same. It is very complex but if you want to enter an alternate reality you must cross over through a dimensional worm hole. I f you go back in time and change events you change history, the original time line is GONE! It never happened because you interfered with the time stream. By doing so you damaged not only this dimension but all of them. This = TOS-TNG-VOYAGER Never existed!
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@Trekfreek That might be right...Amanda Tapping, AKA Samantha Carter, SG-1 explained time travel a bit...I think it mushed my brain a bit.
Incadazant01 3 months ago
Im pretty sure nero had no idea that he was in an alternate dimension where Romulus was intact
HETSoHz 5 months ago
@HETSoHz What? He had 20 years to find out. The movie is just dumb.
Trekfreek 5 months ago
-spoliers-
themagdalenagirl 5 months ago
All of the previous Star Trek movies and shows were pretty damn dumb already.
worldofdraculas 5 months ago
@worldofdraculas "OOOOooo Look at me I'm a 26 year old with nothing better to do. I think I'll pick fights with Trek Fans." Grow up Kid!
Trekfreek 5 months ago
Another point is that if I remember Black Holes right they suck every little bit of matter or particles into them. Basically, the force of this would crush everything into nothing . At the other end it is postulated that a opposite white hole ex pulses it . So logically using a temporary Black Hole would indeed take in a supernova that when it struck matter it got more powerful and larger. Now how a ship would survive a trip through a black hole is beyond me that wouldn't happen.
Outlaw8908 6 months ago
i can only give one thing it is an alternate timeline. Its not really another dimension they pulled a Back to the Future part 2 on the franchise which creates this alternate timeline because of this one or several incidents that happened which makes it utterly different than the Prime timeline. So in essence the old series' are still there but not in the same timeline it is as I am saying a reboot of everything except using Old Characters and an old ship .
Outlaw8908 6 months ago
@Outlaw8908 Close but wrong. As Doc Brown explained in Back to the Future part 2, the alternate time line is the only time line. "The only way to FIX THE TIME LINE and get back to our reality is in the past." The “FIX THE TIME LINE” part tells us that the true time line is damaged as in none existing. So, If Star Trek (XI) is canon this means that all of Star Trek except for Star Trek: Enterprise is GONE! Got it?! They just pissed on Gene Roddenberry’s vision and said it never happened!
Trekfreek 5 months ago
Can't even begin to describe how right you are about how JJ Abrams fucked Trek. It's sickening (though completely believable) that Hollywood let him.
heymrk 6 months ago
My problem with this movie is that basically all the crew members are replacements and finagled their way to lead positions. Uhura uses favoritism to get on the ship, Sulu is somebody's replacement, Chekov is some guy the captain doesn't even know, the doctor before McCoy is killed, Scotty beams on from a distant outpost, and McCoy drags Kirk on the ship with a virus. These guys are cadets! Can't you find people who graduated to operate the flagship of Star Fleet?
NerdilyDone 6 months ago
Get over it
spongemonkey27 6 months ago
@wackottl I still get hate postings for my postings criticizing Star Trek XI dating back 2 years ago. All I did was postings not a video that focuses interlay on the new movie. I’m constantly accused of being a hate monger just because I don’t like a movie, one movie out of a dozen others I criticized. The fans of this movie are as bad as Star Wars fans. They tear you apart if you point out that HISHE was right about Star Wars. Just thought you should know you’re not alone.
Trekfreek 7 months ago
14. Star Trek always used to have a message, Star Trek 4 for example had a message about the importance of preserving species. This new film is just a meaningless light show for the unwashed masses.
15. The sword fight between Sulu and the romulan. It was crap.
16. Why did that small starship at the start of the film have an 800 man crew. They are saying this small ship has a crew equal to the Enterprise E? Must have been pretty crowded on that ship!
17. The fecking lens flare!!!! ARGH MY EYES!
AWMJoeyjoejoe 7 months ago
I found more room.
7. Neros motivation made no sense at all
8. The science made no sense at all
9. The new Enterprise design is ugly as hell!
10. The film erased 40 years of Trek canon
11.They destroyed Vulcan.
12. Detonating a warp core is enough to propel a ship away from a black hole. No. Just no. If the blast is that powerfull it would have overwhelmed the shields and destroyed the ship!
13. Time travel. Again! Star Trek has used time travel as a plot device more times than Marty Mcfly!
AWMJoeyjoejoe 7 months ago
I think it sucked for these reasons
1. The Nokia Communicator! Argh! Thats taking product placement too far! Not even the future is safe from it!
2. The story is almost exactly the same as Star Trek Nemesis.
3. The bridge of the Enterprise looks like the Apple store.
4. Kirk goes from being a failed cadet to captain of a starship in one day!
5. The engineering bay is just rediculous!
6. Kirk is not likeable at all. He's a twat!
I have many more but no room to type them on youtube!
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AWMJoeyjoejoe 7 months ago
Why was Nero acting like Spock failed on purpose. He tried for god's sake. What an asshole.
Leatherbubba 7 months ago
I hated how they apparently have a huge stockpile of this extremely dangerous stuff (red matter?) (more dangerous than warpcorebreach) if only a drop is needed to contain a supernova (I still dont know how that would be dangerous to a ftl capable civilization, in another star system) Next why are there bottomless pits on a starship (first seen in Nemesis)? Star Trek should be about well-conceived and "think about this topic for a minute" science fiction, not making a sell-out action movie.
GraveDigger1234 7 months ago
@GraveDigger1234 Thank you!
NerdilyDone 6 months ago
This isn't very smart, or very funny
DeadJerker 7 months ago
We can deal without the 5th reason about the car. I forgot about the car as soon as I saw Uhura and the idea came to mind that Enterprise is the only canon show left because of what the movie did. There was a big lack of Technobabble in this movie which is a forerunner for Trek. Nero not warning Romulus or anything that would be reasonable or rational is thrown out the window because he's bent on revenge. Although as a huge Trek fan, I liked the movie, your points have validity.
sigmaprime25 7 months ago
Don't forget about how connected Abrams felt his Trek needed to be to Sta Wars. I mean my gosh, he put freaking R2 D2 in there!
The new movie sucks!
milojthatch 7 months ago
@wackottl Well, as far as my going "no it's not, your wrong" I will point out that your video is titled "Why Star Trek Sucked". It doesn't get much more contrary or dismissive than that.
satyrquaze 8 months ago
@satyrquaze I didn't say your opinion that it did not suck was invalid, I'm just saying your list of "no it didn't you're wrong" isn't very helpful or well thought out. To be honest it doesn't really matter people do it here all the time. I guess I just take getting called an angry idiot personal.
wackottl 8 months ago
@satyrquaze He's not being dismissive. He's making a statement (the title) then backing it up (the video).
NerdilyDone 6 months ago
3. It wasn’t the Romulan sun.
2. Is Spock is part of an endangered species he’s STILL AN OUTSIDER. His genetic and cultural make-up has not changed in the slightest. He just carries a bit of survivor’s guilt now. Your theory only makes a lick of difference if Vulcans decide to inter-breed with humans.
1. It’s not a new timeline. It’s an ALTERNATE timeline. The old universe is still there.
You hateful idiot.
satyrquaze 8 months ago
@satyrquaze so let me get this strait... I put my opinion in a list of 5 and I'm a hateful idiot... you put your opinion in a list of 5 and your justified somehow? I mean half of what you just said is "no it's not, your wrong" with nothing to back it up. ALTERNATE timeline is what they call it when they fail to save the future in every other movie and episode and history is re-written. oh and they said romulan sun in the movie, I'm not accepting comic books thank you.
wackottl 8 months ago
@satyrquaze You know who is idiot? Someone who resort to name-calling - thats you. 1. So what? We never see it again, so it dosen't metter if it still exist or not. Also in Trek, when you change past, you change history, not create alternate reality. 2. Spock is now angsty ashole who want to have sex with earthling, and he shows every 5 seconds, he have nothing to do with oryginal Spock. 3. They said this in movie? When? 4. That dosen't chage the fact that Nero can still change te future. TBC
1701EarlGrey 5 months ago
@1701EarlGrey and he shows emotions every 5 seconds
1701EarlGrey 5 months ago
5. Challenging the logic of a pre-pubescent kid in destroying his stepdad’s property is hardly confirms this as a reason that the movie sucks.
4. Pointless as the Nero of this new universe wouldn’t be born for at probably another 30 years. Besides, what’s the Romulan government’s track record for trusting outsiders claiming to be from the future? He planned on getting to it anyway, right after he destroyed every Federation world. He had a century to get around to it.
satyrquaze 8 months ago
@satyrquaze my point is that he destroyed humanity's property as surly as if he ripped up the mona lisa. It bothered me, and therefore is plenty reason to be on the list feel free to disagree but it's a reason.
4. I can't say pointless, they do have a good track record of listening to themselves, they love future tech for free.
wackottl 8 months ago
@wackottl About point 4, Nero said that he wanted to make sure that Romulus was safe, my opinion is that he wanted to weaken the Federation by destroying Earth to give the Romulan Empire(who I imagine he would have gone to next) the opportunity to take over Federation space, thus making it the strongest in the Alpha quadrant (or safe.) Also, it could be considered a way to take vengeance on the Federation for "doing nothing..." In other words, I think he was just blinded by vengeance.
Haloman315 8 months ago
@satyrquaze About point 4 Have you seen the show at all? Of course they would have listened eventually they had about a 129 years before the said incident. Plus I do not think Romulans are that long lived and Nero seems pretty young and not about a 100 years old.
Outlaw8908 6 months ago
@satyrquaze 5. If your protagonist is unlikeble ashole, and he never grow, change and evolve as a character then, yes your movie sucked, you can make me like this supposed hero, because I hate him now for for being an ass.
1701EarlGrey 5 months ago
YES YES! you got it BROTHER TREKKIE!
floridamadman59 8 months ago
I am no kind of fanatic Trekkie, I am just someone w/ a casual interest in the show(s). I must say I truly hated every minute of this Hollywood idiocy. This is the mentality of modern "high concept" Hollywood. Mine the archives already established & known brand names. Have your FX depart. make as many noisy explosions as possible, for no other reason then to have them available for an "exciting" trailer. Have some hack writer make some half hearted jestures at a plot in between the explosions.
VictorLepanto 8 months ago
1. Agreed
2. He can warn Romulus after he kills off the Federation.
3. Then you'd have to hate almost every Star Trek series. Seriously, even TNG is full of it.
4. He's only the template if the other Vulcans go along with it. As a people determined to preserve their cultural identity, especially while scattered as refugees, they may decide to turn inward and reject mating with aliens.
5. Nope, it's an alternate universe. Star Trek is full of them.
mst3k4evur 8 months ago
@mst3k4evur Must be the asshole universe. The supernova wasn't even Romulus' sun. Yet it was thretening the entire Galaxy?
VinnyMonster1 8 months ago
@VinnyMonster1
But human-alien hybrids and time travel are rational?
mst3k4evur 8 months ago
@mst3k4evur In a fictional universe where such things are possible, yes.
VinnyMonster1 8 months ago
@VinnyMonster1
Then how is it any less likely that a supernova can be a galaxy ending disaster?
mst3k4evur 8 months ago
@mst3k4evur Well, because Star Trek is set in a science fiction universe. From the first screenplay in the 60s, it was set up to be as scientifically accurate as possible within the constrainsts of the genre. Yes, Time Travel is very improbable, as is Faster than Light travel or matter transporters. But the idea that a single star going supernova could endanger the whole galaxy is laughable, especially when we have more than a few such events in historical record.
VinnyMonster1 8 months ago
@VinnyMonster1 And we also have the remnants of supernovae in the galaxy. Nebulae are the result of supernovae. Just because it's fiction doesn't mean you can ignore real world science totally, which is what the screnwriters did. Personally, I enjoyed the movie, even though I thought it was terribly written by way of the whole reason for the story being based on incredibly idiotic science. Even the wildest fantasy needs some basis in the real world.
VinnyMonster1 8 months ago
@VinnyMonster1
Cross species breeding is equally impossible. We have more genetic compatibility with a blade of grass than an alien life form. In a universe where cats and dogs can't mate, human-alien hybrids are impossible.
Which is sad, as there is a certain Quarian I'd love to make nerdy children with. ;)
mst3k4evur 8 months ago
@mst3k4evur Well, it is a work of fiction. But even so, it's entirely possible with a medical science advanced enough, such hybrid breeding can occur. Scientists have managed to create hybrid creatures in real life on earth.
VinnyMonster1 8 months ago
@VinnyMonster1 For now they don't. We have no idea what will happen. We are like a person discovering new things everyday or within generations. Things are never as they seem.
Outlaw8908 6 months ago
In one important respect, the movie was a success. It was popular and made a ton of cash. However, I'm one of the "small group" that don't really care for the movie.
It's fun, but dumb.
QuorkEx 8 months ago
@QuorkEx My thoughts too, if I am honest about it.
VinnyMonster1 6 months ago
Star trek was damaged more by the repeated failed attempts at Next gen movies, and the repeated non-stop onslaught of boring spin offs.
star trek was driven into the ground and destroyed, the only way to save it was a re-boot or a next-next generation that would have taken it back to its roots and away from the stale formula it had become, Enterprise tried but it was to little to late.
helrod 8 months ago
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The problems with this movie had nothing to do with the plot...
jerico641 8 months ago
Gosh there were so many more reasons too. I came up with ~25, myself. But it's different/wrong before the time-barrier is broken & a giant Romulan turd falls out of a space-sphincter. Idiosyncrasies of the TOS-era would've been more apparent on the Kelvin, but Jim in mum's tummy nowhere near Iowa is all 1 needs to see that it's changed before said event.
It's a parallel universe (which are meh.) Were it universe-prime, then a whole lot is wrong! So the 25 things I saw can't/don't really count.
Tsujanryo 8 months ago
I think some good points have been made, but I don't have a problem with the plot or even the destruction of Vulcan. I disliked the film because it was obvious that it was written for the new generation of government educated, barely literate folks it was made for. If it isn't flashy, loud, and shiny then it's not good. I disliked it because the story would not have been able to stand in a slower paced film.
deeseification 8 months ago
All of these are really good points, but the real reason the movie sucked is that it was just your average Hollywood shoot-em-up dumb action movie with the Star Trek label slapped on it for marketability's sake. As awful as some of the previous Star Trek series & movies got, I still felt they were at least trying. This is the first Star Trek production that I would really call a "sell-out."
fecxor 8 months ago
@BartJ385 Well, I don't like any of new characters - they have nothing that made old Kirk and his crew great - so I'm not interested what they will do to with this characters. And why Abrams or nothing? They don't rebooted entire universe do make TNG... And if you believe that ST XII - sorry, rebooted ST II - will be any better than this movie... you must be irrepressible optimist. ;)
1701EarlGrey 9 months ago
I'm a returning trek fan, and I gotta say, not having seen this movie, you have given me 5 more reasons not to see it. Thank you sir! : )
perrin275 9 months ago
I hated this film beyond believe. I was watching scene from Wrath of Khan on my phone while in that miserable theatre
joeylodes 9 months ago
Awesome production values, but I can't agree. I am a Trekker, and I don't see why it matters. I mean, we disregard Star Trek V and "Threshold." Heck, most of us disregard Enterprise.
Just go read the books and read how the prime universe really does continue. You are free to disregard this alternate reality if you want to. Some people are apparently more interested in it than the prime reality.
trlkly 9 months ago
Omg AMEN to this video! This movie was HORRIBLE! So much stupidity in it, Kirk going from Cadet to Captain in 1 day, having captains that contain the entire defense codes to the entire friggin planet go into battle, Going through a drawn out rescue instead of shooting the drill, inexplicably angering Spock to become Captain, wood on ice planets. And to piss away 30 years of story for this bullshit is pretty much unforgivable. I kept waiting for Kirk to get a Lightsaber and just get it over with.
Jackosmack 9 months ago
@Wackotti come on, your telling me that a simple thing like time travel in the movie is going to ruin star trek for you? first of all as a star wars fan i was dissapointed with the prequals but i wont let that effect me. and plus this star trek reboot was much better than the crap star wars prequals had to offer. and as i see it im sure a lot of the things that happening in the older series of star trek can still happen but in a new way, just like kurk still becoming captain.
Handsomejunior19 9 months ago
@Wackotti but have you thought that maybe people will see the reboot or sequal and want to see the previous movies, like those who didnt see the original star wars movies and liked the new ones went back to watch the old ones cause it interested them, so have you thought that this might have the same impact? causing many people to go and enjoy the original series? in many ways this can create new trek fans
Handsomejunior19 9 months ago
@Handsomejunior19 yea that's great but everyone in the original movies are dead. everyone's dead, none of it ever happened.
wackottl 9 months ago 2
@Handsomejunior19 Bailey ,your relieved!!!!!!! ,, not chess mr Spock.. poker
DIVRITE 9 months ago
@Handsomejunior19 You have obviously never seen anything Star Trek before this movie so you think that the movie was good because it had some good action in it. But the thing is that this movie Erased EVERYTHING that was Star Trek before it. All the other movies, the other TV series, all the Star Trek Novels are now IREVILENT because this new timeline erased them all.
dwb041 8 months ago 2
@dwb041 it is an alternate timeline
ALTERNATE
both time-lines happen simultaneously so everything pre 2233 happens in both but then they SPLIT
and the star trek novels were never cannon anyway
but i do agree that enterprise being the only thing to happen in the alternate timeline sucks.
and would you rather have a apparently sucky movie or no movie and let star trek die out so it wont matter what is cannon or not because no will care or know what it even is.
GET YOUR PRIORITY'S RIGHT!!!!!!!!
zebranthonymartin 8 months ago
@dwb041 it is an alternate timeline
ALTERNATE
both time-lines happen simultaneously so everything pre 2233 happens in both but then they SPLIT
and the star trek novels were never cannon anyway
but i do agree that enterprise being the only thing to happen in the alternate timeline sucks.
BUT would you rather have a apparently sucky movie or no movie and let star trek die out so it wont matter what is cannon or not because no will care or know what it even is.
GET YOUR PRIORITY'S RIGHT!!!!!!!!
zebranthonymartin 8 months ago
@Wackotti well i would listen to your advice if you actually have a solid point of how the movie sucked, but theres so much nonsense you brought up that i cant see your end result as being a logical one. Plus have you ever thought that this movie was to try to get more people into star trek?
Handsomejunior19 9 months ago
@Handsomejunior19 Well, a lot of people don't really understand that I mean it. This movie destroyed the old continuity, when I put in my DVD of wrath of Kahn I was afraid it would be blank, seriously.
That's a pretty big flaw in this movie to have other people like it. Tron Legacy managed to do it without a reboot.
in this end this would be like saying "only the new star wars matters, the old stuff doesn't count anymore"
wackottl 9 months ago 6
@wackottl TRON LEGACY???!!!! What?
dude that was a total remake the only thing it accomplished was being just as boring (if not more so) than the first.
and its a total remake. And by the way only "new" star wars does matter it set up a completely different continuity .
helrod 8 months ago
@helrod ok, I can see why you didn't like Tron, I respect that, but how is it a remake and not a sequel? Yes they did a lot of the same things over again but those original events did happen. and even though they suck new startrek doesn't destroy the events of the old movies.
wackottl 8 months ago
@Handsomejunior19 if it means to destroy the legacy of Roddenberry for the sake of bringing more people into the trek-verse, then i'd rather trek have fewer fans. have you noticed how dumb the newer audience actually is? they have NO clue what trek is or what it stands for, or anything trek changed for us in the last 40+ years - who cares if these people care about trek, they care about trek like they care for transformers 2, for about 2 weeks and then move onto the next big n shiny! thing!
herzograven 8 months ago
its people like this Wackotti guy that ruins a movie, all this stuff is too little to effect the overall view of the movie, i mean theres so many people that watch these vids in hope to get a yes the movie sucks or no its a good time instead of wasting their money, so yeah please make better reviews
Handsomejunior19 9 months ago
@Handsomejunior19 I liked the movie until the destruction of vulcan. I never said I would tell you if it was good or not, just list the reason some old fans are upset about it.
but the title is why is sucks... so I guess that would be a "no don't watch it" before the vid even starts.
wackottl 9 months ago
@Handsomejunior19 no, it's people like Wackotti who speak the truth! new trek undoes everything, so now when spock dies in trek 2, and they find him again, where will they take him at the end of the 3rd film? to earth!?
herzograven 8 months ago
I like the new Star Trek movie.... partly because it takes place in a parallel universe, while still being canon. So a whole bunch of nonsense can happen in the next few movies, but at least we know the stuff from TNG etc, still happens.
yaahyak 9 months ago
Interesting video. I agree with some of the points but I was mostly just bored with the explosions, I mean movie. The only scene I liked was when everyone was getting ready to go to Vulcan and then Sulu left the handbrake on. That was pretty rad.
sumbuddyx 9 months ago
Wackotti, GET A LIFE!!!! It's just a movie! If you don't like it, then don't watch it!
cello19661 9 months ago
@cello19661 get your own life first. it's just an internet video. If you don't like it watch something else.
wackottl 9 months ago
@BartJ385 So, tell me when we gona see old universe? Never? That's what I think. So it really doesn't matter if original universe was erased, or not, we never gonna see it again. Not in the movie/series anyway... Characters have great potencial? Did we saw this same movie? In movie I saw every character was adolescent asshole - except of Pike - or idiot ( Nero). You relly want to see those horrible people again? What you want to see? Spock shagging Uhura? Don't count on something more ambitious.
1701EarlGrey 9 months ago
@BartJ385 But you know what is the difference between TNG - I'm a big fan of TNG :) - and new movie? 1. no one before came, and just show middle finger to authors who wrote Trek before - TNG was acknowledging TOS as part of Trek history, DS9 was acknowledging TNG, and so on. Destruction of Vulcan was arogant attempt to erase Trek histrory. 2. TNG was brilliant and intelligent series, ST XI is just stupid popcorn movie. 3. Want a reboot? Look at Nolan's Batman this is how remakes should be made.
1701EarlGrey 9 months ago
ALL paramount cares about is to sell now more tickets.
3goldy 9 months ago
@BartJ385 Yes, I understand what RedLetterMedia said, but he still enjoys ST XI and he disdain "Nemesis", when both movies are practically identical. And what is wrong with letting Trek rest in peace? Ooo, thats right if they left Trek alone, Paramount couldn't milk a franchise dry...
1701EarlGrey 9 months ago
@BartJ385 RedLetterMedia is hypocrite. He criticize "Nemesis" for having lame villain, stupid story, too much action and carbort cut out characters, yet he likes new movie, and ST XI was even more idiotic than "Nemesis"
1701EarlGrey 9 months ago
I walk a very fine line with Star Trek. I tend to watch each episode/version/installment "as is" letting the internal inconsistencies go; perhaps, they will work themselves out later.
I enjoyed the new movie as far as character development and portrayal go. Even I had a couple of uncharacteristic "but wait..." moments with some plot underpinnings.
Still, the movie was fun.
The "Purists" certainly have a variety of legitimate gripes. Some of them were left unmentioned.
toetapper04 9 months ago
I walk a very fine line with Star Trek. I tend to watch each episode/version/installment "as is" letting the internal inconsistencies go; perhaps, they will work themselves out later.
I enjoyed the new movie as far as character development and portrayal go. Even I had a couple of uncharacteristic "but wait..." moments with some plot underpinnings.
Still, the movie was fun. The "Purists" certainly have a variety of legitimate gripes. Some more of those were left unmentioned.
toetapper04 9 months ago
@Microidle I agree, that is a good idea.
wackottl 10 months ago
@BartJ385 all of the shows you just mentioned are also destroyed by this event, and I liked DS9 and next gen quite a bit. Or are you suggesting that none of these series featured Vulcan in a significant way?
wackottl 10 months ago
#5 Why wouldn't he wreck an antique car to get at his step dad? He's Kirk, piss him off he'll get ya back 10 fold
#4 Read more of the story, you find that Nero was pretty much insane, even before Romulus went splat and he goes into the black-hole/dimensional rift
#3 Maybe its just me but the temporary black-hole idea would be the best way to "vacuum" an incoming wave of destruction
#2 Destruction of Vulcan ensures this won't be same old Trek
#1 Canon universe wasn't destroyed, still alive in STO
Bragorn 10 months ago
@Bragorn I'm getting a little tired of people responding this way. just saying #1 it still exist does not make it so. If time travel creates parallel worlds then all other time travel stories are broken, and that's a lot of broken to just ignore.
wackottl 10 months ago
@wackottl Didn't you ever catch that TNG episode where they prove for every possibility that can happen, does happen, just splinters off into alternate realities creating infinite realities. This new Trek is about another reality not so much time travel, even though basically Spock and Nero do go into the past, just the past of another reality.
Bragorn 10 months ago
@Bragorn That wasn't time travel, this movie was.... or is the underling message that "you have a destiny" complete crap? This movie either destroys all other timeline or proves it's own fundamental theme is wrong making it a lackluster movie on it's own merits.
wackottl 10 months ago