Hard/Bad Landing in a Cessna 172SP

[NICENAD]

Oops, that landing flare was a wee bit high. That stall warning horn was whistling dixie.

[Kpj7466]

4 white "way to high" 4 Reds "You're dead'' LOL

[DelfinoDelphis]

In C172 you have to watch out with such a high angle of attack not to tail strike during landing, especially when fully loaded.

[platez81]

Sounds like a fuckin Euillianne pipe

[hsguitarist]

3:00 Short final....

[BoUnC3r]

it wasnt too bad.. Although you shouldnt pull on the yoke that hard unless you feel that the plane is gonna drop 5 feet from the air with in 2 seconds. I guess you know that by know.

[Anrboy]

I was thinking you had to be close to a tailstrike too. lol. I was laughing on how long that flare was. On a better note, it looks like you will be able to use the plane again so it was a good landing! Are you a student in this video? If you weren't I bet the person in the right seat had to throw their undies away later.

[cavaco4]

@Anrboy Hahahaha! dats a good one man! LOL

[JLangevin]

Based on the horizon and the dash, it sure seemed like you were close to a tailstrike. Or maybe its just an illusion.

[Kara0ki]

17 seconds of stall horn!! 

[avangel1]

way high.

[michaelfarm]

the long final can trip up any pilot.

[AussieAviator]

At least you maintained RWY centre-line lol ! ;-)

Everyone has bad landings mate.  Next time ... GO AROUND !!

[tinyman12323]

You should have crabbed down to the runway, im saying this because you were way to high and your flare was almost tail strike like. If your to high, no biggy, just get into the pattern and try again

[JasonSchwerin]

ive down a couple of these haha

[Scote1992]

were you fighting wind or something?

[JMScheib]

Am I the only one to honestly think that the attitude of the airplane when he touched down was just fine? Almost (if not fully) aft stick landings are the proper thing to do. You want almost no energy left when the aircraft settles onto the runway. It wasn't the smoothest landing, but I wouldn't consider it *bad*. Then again, actually sitting in the aircraft vs. viewing a video is very different.

[musictom8888]

Man, that was the longest final I think I've ever seen. Were you doing a straight in landing?

[WestAirAviation]

@musictom8888 Yes, it was a straight-in. We didn't want to spend any time in a pattern.

[alalom707]

The stall warning horn sounds like music from the original the original Star Trek. :-P

[keeevan]

that was scary! hopefully you learned from your mistakes. Thanks for posting and check out my 172 vids if you have the time

[TomatoFlamesNet]

Wow, waaay too high, then an attempt to dive-bomb the runway. Not the worst landing but why not elect for a slip?

[TheGreatFlyer]

Why did he pull up SOOO much? God, common sence about the stall!!

[afi0yz]

Don't be so hard on yourself westair, taking everything into account, I'd give that landing about a 7.5........ on the Richter Scale

[SenorSpode]

I saw what you meant by "too high", was thinking "Man, you better forward slip that baby until I can see the runway through the rear window!", LOL. It was just one of those days, they do exist...and always for a reason. Good job!

[MegaPascal31]

see thats my problem, my approach is usually good, but im always off the center line since im afraid to add rudder since it might cause me to land at an angle :$ ( im probably at aroun 50-60 landings)

[Helicopterpilot16]

Any landing you walk away from is a good landing!

[MrJohndl]

Trying to land a plane after such a long approach is really really difficult - I would have joined the circuit and made the base and approach legs much shorter. Landing was ok considering the 'average' approach.

[CaptBesweri]

Think u pulled too hard on the yoke on the final stage of the flare try to keep the same atitude during the flare as the atitude at the point of take off with the nose gear well off the ground I am learning to do this and it works I have about 200 landings

[alwonner62]

Not a bad landing. Lots of cumulus around and up and down drafts. Flare a bit high maybe but I guess you were just few knots too fast (that's why the stall horns was blowing in your ears for so long!!!). How many degrees of flaps? You were a bit too high as well initially, then maybe you put full flaps to reach the runway. But I think that you did very well in this bumpy ride. Thank you for the nice instructing video. Excellent teaching material.

[chris5812341234]

o thats gonna leave a mark

[myrandomspaces]

it was screaming what was your pitch?

[escientman]

Its not that bad of a landing

[InuKun2008]

You're lucky that when you flared high and touched down, the suspension didn't give way. Anything above 10 feet, you run the risk of damaging the suspension on the 172SP. Your biggest mistake though, quite honestly, was putting yourself in the mindset as you approached the runway of "I must land this time". Unless you are in an emergency, if you don't like something about the approach sequence and runway environment, the best thing you can do is execute a Go Around.

[WestAirAviation]

We did 4 go-arounds trying to land at Sedona (KSEZ) for lunch. Go-Arounds were on our minds, but there was a lot of traffic nearby that we had lost sight of and wanted to avoid.

If I recall, the aircraft had a huge crack on the vertical stabilizer, but I don't think that was from our flight.

[SkylaneCaptain]

@WestAirAviation If the huge crack on the verticle stabilizer was not from your flight how did you miss it during preflight? Just asking because you described it as "huge". Fortunate that it didn't fail in flight. There would have been a worse result than a bad landing.

[WestAirAviation]

@SkylaneCaptain Thank's for the reply Skylane, I love your videos. Anyways, to answer your question my two friends (Riddle Pilots) with me during the flight performed the exterior preflight, while I executed the interior preflight in an attempt to save time.

[jon4594]

@WestAirAviation Your excuses are the same ones that a lot of dead pilots have used. Stay sharp, fly safe.

[kSwiss987]

@WestAirAviation as PIC / owner / operator you need to pre-flight your OWN exterior and interior, because it is your name on the rental, and your name when something breaks. i do not doubt your friends knowledge if they are students or licensed instructors, but if you missed a huge crack in the vertical stabilizer, it may have caused your issues with approaches all afternoon. let alone it could have been catastrophic.

[Wakeboarder8787]

@WestAirAviation says a lot about riddle pilots...

[Wakeboarder8787]

@WestAirAviation says a whole lot a bout riddle pilots in that statement...

[WestAirAviation]

@Wakeboarder8787 What?

[bobistheman02]

@WestAirAviation Sedona is the coolest place in the world, ever here of the Enchanment Resort it was great!!! Oh haha the same thing happened to me about a week ago, everything waas just bad about the flight, my landing was the hardest of my life stalled it out over the runway to high and bang! nice video thouhgh :)

[s030141]

@InuKun2008 very true, i do go arounds all the time, its because i want to make every landing perfect, and 99% of times i do.

[cornell3206]

Don't worry any landing you can walk away from is good and if you can use the plane again it was great !!!

[Fromheaven007]

any flight is alike to other flight. some are good, others are excelents and others................

[AWE319]

Seems you flared too high up. In a cessna what I learned way back is that when you have a decent runway length (which Prescott has) it is best to glide all the way down until you are about a foot or two above the runway when you will then begin to rotate and it typically rolls right onto the pavement for you.

[grumman581]

Had trouble staring the engine*s*?  Well, that's probably part of the problem, the 172 only has a *single* engine...

[kimiles1]

like outkast said, at least you held centreline...

[caseyboy1123]

you have a 100 000 dollar airplane

with n extra 10 000 added on for that cockpit

and you cant make a nice landing

priceless

[appleglory]

landings arnt always perfect u faggot

[caseyboy1123]

easy killer

[santi22221]

nice avionics you have there

[AKENOXTRM]

Was the whine at the end a stall warning ??

[RippedWookie]

Yes.

[explicit1981]

ya, the proper way is to power to idle as you cross the threshold and level off a few feet above the runway letting the airplane essentially stall just inches from the asphalt. its a cool feeling when you can squeak it in and not even feel it.

[InuKun2008]

@explicit1981 Even more cool when you don't even set the stall warning horn off because you were so gentle and calm with the landing.

[WestAirAviation]

InuKun,

Embry-Riddle actually teaches us to set the stall horn off on the flare as standard procedure; At this point it's muscle-memory.

[Rodge91Rodge]

@WestAirAviation embry-riddle also teaches people to fly into buildings.

[cr8nkaos]

Things will go better if you always observe the 8-hour bottle-to-throttle rule!

[explicit1981]

or the 8 hours from the toke to the yoke :D

[flanksteak2]

Waaaaayyyyyyyyy too much flare.

Some days you are better just not flying.

[outkastpb99]

Way to hold that center line!

[barbepark]

oh crap, that is exactly how i landed today, 1st time out after my solo last week, 25 hours! i wanted to shoot myself! thanks for letting me know it can still happen at 400 hours!

[dabambz]

Fancy glass cockpit you have there. Anyways I've done worst landings than that trying to do soft fields. You were over correcting your power through out the approach, but as long as you realize where you went wrong its all good

[t008er]

couldn't start the engines? I don't get it?

[bobistheman02]

sometimes if the engine hasn't been run for a while or the battary is low u will have a hard time getting the engines to start in the beggining. It is not that big of a deal MOST of the time but when its ur 3rd lesson and your instructor says, "crap the engine wont start it doesnt make ur tummy feel very well(i would know) :)

[stuntmanmike37]

Atleast you got it on the ground. :)

[jmr604]

Remember, power controls altitude (or vertical speed) and pitch controls airspeed... your were chasing yourself through that whole approach .. for your 400th landing it should not be like that unless you were experiencing bad up and down drafts.

[fcita]

10 DEGREES flaps, not %

[skat0r]

lollll

[deeejaychrissyb]

You learn from these things, can i suggest that you should always have some sort of power on on the approach. If you are at idle thrust from say 400ft something is wrong and you will lose energy in a flash hence the over flare and the the stall warn. Also the rwy was massive, if you feel compelled to land and not G/A (which you should never feel) you dont have to land on the numbers, if you aimed further down the rwy things would turn out better.

[trek6220]

shit happens

[hvdfelsen]

I know how you feel. A perfect flight but bat landing - and you will only remember the bad landing. From what I can see

- you came in pretty high

- you had problems maintaining the approach speed (RPMs go up and down)

- cross wind from the left, corrected by crap rather than low wing

- pretty high flare

But as you said: Each bad landing helps you make a better one next time.

[tylerleatherman]

Damn dude, was that an attempt at a soft-field landing? You sure did wait a while to set the nose down after touchdown. No worries tho, I'm used to flying 172R's and I flew an SP the other day. It sits up considerably higher so I three-pointed it on touch down...

[afi0yz]

WTF?? Its the same exact airplane, there is no difference between them, except that the S puts out 300 more rpms than the R

[MyDogBob2001]

I've done much worse, forgot how to fly on my first solo, death grip on the yoke

[Senapse]

400th landing? Well, everyone has bad days/luck every now and then :)

[adamgamedude]

true...and alot of times on flight simulatori have day swhere m not relaxed and comfotable flying a cessna or any plane but other days i feel more in control and have more fun

[tylerleatherman]

This isn't flight sim.

[adamgamedude]

inever said it was dude learn to read!

[tylerleatherman]

Ok... you're a fucking idiot. My point is... why are you talking about flight sim when this dude is actually flying?

[adamgamedude]

I WAS REPLYING TO SOMEONE ELSE!

[Ben123planes]

hear that annoying noise, thats the stall warning, when the pitch gets higher you're going to slow and trying to climb, but in this case you were trying to get a smooth landing the in the end the plane just fell out of the sky.

[WestAirAviation]

Yup, that's what happened. That's why I uploaded the video, because it was a bad landing. What isn't shown are the 3 start attempts, off-center line takeoff, losing sight of traffic pattern aircraft, and the 2 go-arounds.

Luckily, I've not repeated any of the mistakes since.

[maxrioseco]

mmmm....

bad D=

but it could be better ;)

and nice glass cockpit =)

[lcbabj]

I've seen worse. It was not that bad. Just too much flare and too early. Round out a little in ground effect, light flare and let it settle on it's own.

[willmatos]

No offense, but that was the worst landing in a 172 i have seen on all of youtube. Flared WAY too much, almost seemed like a tailstrike would happen.

[bikerfreak714]

Don't be afraid to do S-turns even on final if you're high or need to put some distance between you and another plane on final. My guess is you tried to get the plane down in a hurry by pitching the nose down and picked up a few extra knots. I do that sometimes when the runway is short and I feel I'm coming in too high. It ends up making things worse because I float much longer than if I just held my speed.

Way to salvage the landing though. At least you didn't porpoise. =)

[jsunflyguy]

S turns are usually not approved at KPRC due to the parallel runways that are usually in use.

[afi0yz]

S turns on final bro in a busy airspace with 7k ft on runway? are you on crack?

[tylerleatherman]

...or slip?

[Dustoffam]

A successful landing is one where the plane is still in one piece :)

[Diff4us]

We learn more from are mistakes and so do others. Was this the windiest day you ever flew in and was anything damaged. Thanks for posting.

[WestAirAviation]

Thanks Diff. No, that wasn't the windiest day I flew in; we mainly encountered a lot of turbulence and updrafts during the descent. Ontop of that, there was another plane no doing proper position reports that we were attempting to avoid having a mid-air with during our descent.

Everything ended fine though, no damage to the plane. This time, lol.

[lylix123]

what was that noise at hte end?

[WestAirAviation]

That was the Stall Horn telling us the plane could no longer fly in its current configuration and will lose altitude.

[lylix123]

Oh, nice landing anyway ;P

[tylerleatherman]

That was a goose stuck in the stall warning port.