Debate: Sam Shamoun -VS- SwordOfAllah/Rex *Good Quality* 3/6

[shahadan1985]

Wow, why does Christian God words from the bible are so difficult to understand, more difficult than complex science and mathematics, we should vote Sam for the next Pope.

[TheMuziekmann]

wait...all 3 components of the trinity are interdependant??

So the father (God) is dependant on Jesus to exist?? Are you serious?

How can anyone say these things and not think ...hmmmmm something does not add up? Worshipping 3 different things is NOT monotheism...it's idolatory...come on folks, dont be a muslim if u hate Islam but atleast be intellectually honest!

[larrydelacruz]

God revealed Himself directly to all the prophets in the Bible. In the Quran only an "angel gabriel" revealed all the messages to Muhammad which contradicted the original and earlier revelations of the Bible. Therefore from this premise the Quran is a false revelation and never came from God.

[illuminated101]

for the past 10 years of my life i don't see Christians correcting the accusation of misconceptions held in the bible with firm conviction which we can only receive by certain verified belief. if the Quran is a False production how does that clean up all the so called misconceptions in the Bible?

what are the 10 commandments again?

[CorrosionX3]

1:40 Isn't that funny, that's exactly what Muhammad did.

[FreeInChrist777]

Hey guy's isn't funny that Muslims will say that God cannot enter his own creation through a man, but in the Quran it says that God entered CREATION in the FORM of a TREE and spoke to MOSES saying "I am Allah". Any person who is honest with themselves will see the hypocrisy of Muslims when they say that God cannot enter his won creation. It is very clear in Islam, Allah is a weak God who can't protect his word, is a deceiver and has a LEG.

[LIVERLADD]

I have never seen foot notes say that these versus where not found in the earliest manuscripts? Perhaps someone can tell me where these footnotes are because I haven`t seen them ever

[ors712]

Praise the name of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

[peacechild61]

wow....great teaching, brother Shamoun! @ 9:10 ..excellent explanation! may the Lord bless you and keep you PREACHING the WORD!!!.. rated 5*****

[peacechild61]

Sword of allah, i base my faith on the WORD of GOD, not on blind faith, but you as a muslim base your faith on a mere mans word (muhammads) which directly contradicts the WORD of God!! i know who i would rather believe..Book of Revelation, FORBIDS adding any further revelation to Gods Word,even if an angel appears(muhammads gabriel) who says different..you follow a FALSE PROPHET! repent! and be led by THE WORD OF GOD!..

[Summadat]

Does Shamoun hear himself speak? He spoke of Jesus instructing his followers to pray in his name- hence he is claiming divinity. Wasn't Jesus a 'slave' when this was mentioned? So how comes the 'slave' is 'equal to God' in a couple verses, and then less than God a few verses later? He is good at distorting passages. Any keen listener will see his argument has no merit.

[followerofjesus1984]

@Summadat umm no, yet a agin u msread the bible ..... but thisok ay cause ur a muslim

i will clear this misguided attempt up 2 things u said

he told them to pray in his name ys and did claim divinty, read the following passages,john 1 : 1 -14, john 17, fully in context

[followerofjesus1984]

@followerofjesus1984 he took on form of a slave, and died for thesin, then returns to the father

and sam lets the passagws for themselve and is great

[Pitttdog]

rexism?sounds like islam to me.

[IsraelGudsAugestein]

Islam is an anti- Christianity religion.

[Summadat]

First, define Christianity, because it surely is a religion divided in itself. By biblical teaching, Judaism is also anti-Christianity; and so was Jesus. The bible alleges him coming ONLY to the last sheep of the house of israel- the Jews. But christians turn around and worship him.

[peacechild61]

summadat, let Old Testament prophet isaiah explain WHO Jesus would be "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government will be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" and lets not lie and say Bible was changed,DEAD SEA SCROLLS prove not one word is changed,is exactly same as we have today! JESUS is Almighty GOD, also the everlasting Father, AND Counsellor( Holy Spirit) TRINITY!!

[Summadat]

@peacechild61 sure! you're absolutely right! That's because u have the holy spirit right? Never mind there is no mention of 'trinity' in the bible; nor is there any mention that 'God is three is one', or any such theological nonsense. But you declare it to be the truth. Either the inspired bible writers were not informed of this by the same holy spirit that inspires you....or it may be that you're willing to blaspheme against God just to ease your guilt.

[realtype2009]

Oh the greek paganism once again... "Trinity"... You know, you Christians should stop considering yourselves part of the Abrahamic belief... Claim the trinity all you want just don't act as if your teachings have anything to do with the God of Abraham, or Isaac, or Jacob, or any prophet, maybe except Paul :-) Trinity... pure paganism... lol

[peacechild61]

I quotedd isaiah,the PROPHET who described the child to be born as THE MIGHTY GOD the Everlasting FATHER, the Prince of Peace, COUNSELLOR...whatever way you want to call it,realtype ,it shows Jesus (the child) is GOD ...Father....Counsellor...now do your sums..Jesus said "I and the Father are ONE! " then he spoke of the Holy Spirit who He would send as the COMFORTER when He went up to heaven...

[anji0san]

Islam is anti-polytheism

[YahyaSnow]

@anji0san

I agree

[GodsSeer]

Jesus Christ IS God the Almighty; Re 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

[2pacOG]

dang, keithtruth borther, thank you for upload, and god bless you brother, I was always wondering why Jesus said the father is greater then I. and this video clearly answered it. Jesus is lord.

[BichetteDante]

Funny, because in 1:18-1:22 time of his speech khalid says that you can "easily" find examples of the trinity in the koran.....so did he not just reaffirm the trinity in his statement?

[xiaahmad]

every one see Brett keane (An atheist) judgement on this debate

[KeithTruth]

Brett Keane hates Christianity so there is a bit of conflict of interest. Go watch his video. **Burn the bible challenge etc..**and everything he said in his video was false. He did not attack one single argument raised by Sam because he couldn't.

[xiaahmad]

Brett keane hates Islam too he make lots of videos bad mouthing Islam.

brett just gave what the result of debate was

and it can be seen that Sam like always went off topic and try to bring Quran and Islam when topic was about TRINITY.

come on see for ur self

[KeithTruth]

The reason Sam went to the quran/hadith was for 2 reasons.

1.) To show muhammad recieved revelations in dreams so when sword attacks the book fo revelation he is being inconsistant.

2.) To illustrate that Jesus because Jesus didn't say the exact 3 words "I am God" does not meant that he didn't reviel that he was God in many other ways. He asked sword to produce one verse where Jesus says "I am not Son of God" in those exact words to shwo the double standards.

Brett is clueless.

[xiaahmad]

please hear the debate again he just didnt talk about that frm Quran.

thing is SAM whole point was just coz ppl cant understand that means Trinity is true.

same kind of argument hindus, Buddhist etc can use for them self.

and thing is it not just muslims who says that sword and rex were better its non muslims.

Although in debate it can happen that some times some side is good sometimes other. but in this particular debate Rex and Sword were better and sam failed to prove trinity to be true

[KeithTruth]

I challenge you to show where else he brought up quran and if he did how it is off topic. Please address that.

Secondly, sam never argued that because trinity is complicated therefore its true. His point was demonstrating the trinity is biblical in that the son and holy spirit have divine functions that only God can have. Don't bring hindus or buddhists into this. That is irrelevant. You have one atheist who hates Christ claiming that sam went off topic. Who cares. Refute Sams data.

[xiaahmad]

why same argument hindu and Buddhist can use that just coz u dont understand why God cant be elephant as u say God became or came into human

that same atheist hates Islam as well

sam has been refuted hear this debate, watch his debate with Sami Zatari and read Answering Christianity

Trinity:

Non Biblical

Not preached by prophets

not followed by followers

and most Imp is Contradictory with ONE GOD

[KeithTruth]

Sams argument is not that just because you can't understand it therefore it must be true. His argument is that the scriptures say God is unlike anything in creation and that the bible says holy spirit and Jesus are God.

That atheist would never say a Christian won a debate even if his life depended on it. But guess what. The muslim nadir ahmed said sami lost to shamoun. I guess that means sam won right?

BTW I love showing my Christian friends Sams debate with sami because Sam won :)

[xiaahmad]

and plz listen to debates again with unbiased mind

and do remember:

Trinity is:

Non Biblical

Not preached by prophets

not followed by followers

and most Imp is Contradictory with ONE GOD Belief

take care peace

[KeithTruth]

You have never even studued the Bible in debth. You only read bias muslim websites claims about the Bible. I will make a video series especially for you so you can try and refute the biblical data on trinity. Old and new testament.

peace

[CastusPeregrinus]

Ignorant child... don't you ever study Israeli geography? The temple in Jerusalem from the crest view is shown with the Yahuwah's Hebrew name "Sheen" written on the map of the city.

"Jerusalem, the city where I have put my Name." -1 Kings 11:36

And also if you haven't noticed, the city is also divided into THREE separate parts:

Ophel, Moriah, and Zion

[CastusPeregrinus]

Ophel is a tower and fortress of Yerushelayim, which resembles the Father. MoriYAH is the hill which is also a Hebrew term which means "You have seen the GOD of Israel." Yahushua the Messiah was crucified on that same hill in fulfillment to the prophecy of Zechariah 12:10 where it says that people will see the God of Israel get pierced in the midst of Jerusalem and they will mourn for Him in unison to what the term MoriYAH actually means. It clearly resembles the Son.

[CastusPeregrinus]

Zion is a seal of Jerusalem, and the Holy Spirit is also called a seal by the Apostles that dwells in the true followers of the Messiah. Yahuwah set these three tokens on every side of Jerusalem as a sign of who He truly is. He has revealed himself by three manifestations: The fortress, the flesh, and the Spirit. FYI there is nothing "contradictory" about what Yahuwah reveals.

[CastusPeregrinus]

Only the stiff-necked fools and the unlearned will never come to knowledge of what the Lord Yahuwah concedes. There is only one God and His name is Yahuwah, not Allah (name of a false pagan moon god of the Arabs: Allaat)

[inlove0395]

And you are a muslim... right? why do we need to follow a pedophile "prophet"? Can you with an unbiased mind explain to us?

[Summadat]

@inlove0395 - its gonna be difficult to rationalize with the ignorant, but here goes nothing.... You say he was a pedophile- I assume because of the hadith that say that Aisha was 9yrs old at consummation. Now can u tell us the age that women are allowed intercourse? I'm not sure if Jesus mentioned it, or if he thought it was even important... but you're wiser than Jesus, right? So tell us what is the age of consent.

[followerofjesus1984]

@xiaahmad ok, the word trinity is not in the bible but its concept is very evident in all the new testament. why would it be preached by the prophets, the trinity was only realised on the time of Jesus, which was 12 years or more, from the first prophet but there is still evidence in te old testament too,

[followerofjesus1984]

which followes, jesus ' follower, or the prophets, if jesus then u need to read more cause all the disciples knew his was of God, cause they heard the father say jesus was his son about 8 times the baptism of jesus, transfiguration, and more than this the great commission, where jesus sed go baptise in the anme of who, the fathe, the son, the holy spirit

[followerofjesus1984]

where is the contadiction, we believe in God who is shared by three, no contridiction just the quran is a contridiction

[xiaahmad]

@followerofjesus1984

so are u saying that GOD suddenly changes from 1 to 3?

followers of OT were very clear monotheist so please dont assume stuff

[followerofjesus1984]

@xiaahmad God is one in being but three in persons,

sorry but even old test has lot of frame arounf the 1being 3 person, in genesis,

3, 18, 30, numbers 12 , where God becomes a man, and in one instance 3 are seen as God, judges 13, an angel visits samsons mother, an angel visited sarah abrahams wife, the spirit is there too, in genisis 1 hovering over the water and in judges 11: 29- 4

[xiaahmad]

@followerofjesus1984

and still people and prophets during OT time keep on believing in ONE GOD

not 3 in 1 GOD right

or ur basically saying tat people at that time didnt understand that how many GODs or persons of GOD are?

please think about it how wrong it is and how wrong this sounds

[followerofjesus1984]

@xiaahmad they no real insentive too, this was before jesus came in to flesh, but there are a lot indications to what woud talk plce, the sarifices was the greatest indication

[followerofjesus1984]

all three were there in the beginning, but acted as one, the father , the angel or word, asnd the spirit

[followerofjesus1984]

@followerofjesus1984 they no real insentive too, this was before jesus came in to flesh, but there are a lot indications to what woud take place, the sacrifices was the greatest indication

[hybridsrfast1]

@xiaahmad The trinity is found all over the place in the Torah.

•Do homage to the Son, lest He become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him! (Psalm 2:12)

•Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His Son's name? Surely you know! (Proverbs 30:4)

[hybridsrfast1]

@xiaahmad I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. "And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed. (Daniel 7:13-14)

[CastusPeregrinus]

Confused Hebrews used the term "Baali" (which means "lord") and it was the way they addressed the one true God. In Hosea 2:16 and Jeremiah 23:27, the Lord Yahuwah clearly forbids them from using this name. Same with Allah and Allaat, you Muslims are resting in the same spirit of delusion. I suggest you repent of your senseless devil(Baal) worship and turn to the TRUE God who created this universe.

[Rob187ok]

Amazing

[RPM11111]

Khalid says we should have our own way of thinking and our own merits that we subscribe to, yet he has largely quoted, but not referenced Deedat.